Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?

2010-10-01 Thread andré
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/9/30 andré: The MCC (Mandriva Control Centre, to become Mageia Control Centre) already has most if not all the hardware configuration elements. How about adding an information page to the MCC ? More like a Documentation&Help section like the other secti

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 2 October 2010 04:26, David W. Hodgins wrote: > On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:27:00 -0400, André Machado > wrote: > >> However, is that only one version per year - with updates of course - it >> would >> be best for you? > > Another option, that just occurred to me. Rolling updates until > there is a

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:27:00 -0400, André Machado wrote: However, is that only one version per year - with updates of course - it would be best for you? Another option, that just occurred to me. Rolling updates until there is an update to something like glibc, that requires the bulk of the rp

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Sorteal
> > Please don't top-post when sending emails to a mailing list: > http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_%28Rules%29#Bottom_Post Apologies. ^_^

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 2 October 2010 04:02, wrote: > As I stated before Mandriva has always done an amazing job of integrating > Firefox into KDE.  Yet, other distros, for whatever reason, seem to have a > difficult time of it.  Also, while I love Konqueror, it does have > compatibility issues.  Chromium, regard

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread sorteal
As I stated before Mandriva has always done an amazing job of integrating Firefox into KDE. Yet, other distros, for whatever reason, seem to have a difficult time of it. Also, while I love Konqueror, it does have compatibility issues. Chromium, regardless of your opinion of Google, is an incr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Hoyt Duff
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Frank Griffin wrote: > Graham Lauder wrote: >> >> Oh for Jiminys' sake, is there something in the water that causes you to be >> so >> literal.  I SAID HYPOTHETICAL!  What I was trying to do was demonstrate in a > > OK, I'll bite the bullet and be the one to tell

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread André Machado
> It makes it easy to figure out which version to install (think newcomer). > Also, I'd like to not do "Spring" "Fall"... , as Spring in the North is > Autumn in the South. > Finally someone realized that "little detail" ;) . I always thought it odd to use Mandriva Spring when he actually was

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Jéjé
atilla ontas wrote: > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. (...) > One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do > we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and > suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread nicolas vigier
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 21:38:14, nicolas vigier a écrit : > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: > > > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not > > > think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mea

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Frank Griffin
Graham Lauder wrote: > > Oh for Jiminys' sake, is there something in the water that causes you to be > so > literal. I SAID HYPOTHETICAL! What I was trying to do was demonstrate in a > lighthearted manner that NOONE, me included, can experience on their own, a > global market. That's why som

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 1 October 2010 19:20, Thierry Vignaud wrote: > On 1 October 2010 18:54, wrote: >> >> I must agree. If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done >> by the user.  Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would >> be a better choice. > > That's alreay what we do for ye

[Mageia-dev] Some news about project

2010-10-01 Thread Anne nicolas
Hi there Still a busy week in working on Mageia first setup. Here is a quick summary: blog.mageia.org/?p=54 Cheers! --- Anne

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 20:03, Olivier Méjean wrote: > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : >> What's your opinion? > > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not > think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my > computer

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
I do not know if it is possible, but I think that the way the Eclipse foundation is running the Eclipse project is worth mentioning: - they have milestone target every 6 weeks, aimed at power users (stable enough to run on their own, but might break compatibility with existing plugins). For a li

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Olivier Blin
"David W. Hodgins" writes: > On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:41:59 -0400, Olivier Méjean wrote: > >> guess there is a way to innovate. Maybe a core part of the distribution could >> be in fixed release, the rest in rolling release. > > If the release number was no longer part of the rpm name, packages th

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Nicolas Lécureuil
2010/10/1 Olivier Méjean > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 22:57:06, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > > > [...] > > > > i don't understand, if you click the applet every time there's an update, > > then when there's a new version, the you also click the applet and it > > updates... there isn't any real

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-01 09:20, Romain d'Alverny a écrit : On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat wrote: 2010/10/1 Tux99: Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. again you're somewhat wrong iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but they have better appearance

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Graham Lauder
On Saturday 02 Oct 2010 03:42:27 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder : > > OK then let me put it another way, you have taught IT for 15 years. > > Teaching IT was only the smallest part. I was involved in selling, > purchasing, advising - the whole area, not just that small marketing

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 21:30, Sinner from the Prairy wrote: > Fabrice Facorat wrote: > >> I'm still amazed by the technicals limits of the iPhone, and how >> people can still want to buy them ... same for iPod ... >> >> iPod : no mp3, no FM radio, no USB mass storage support >> iPhone : no standar

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 01 oktober 2010 22:05:46 schreef Sinner from the Prairy: > atilla ontas wrote: > > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. > > (...) > > > One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do > > we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Maarten Vanraes
Op vrijdag 01 oktober 2010 22:41:59 schreef Olivier Méjean: > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 21:38:14, nicolas vigier a écrit : > > On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: > > > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do > > > not think that installing a distribution is a

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:41:59 -0400, Olivier Méjean wrote: guess there is a way to innovate. Maybe a core part of the distribution could be in fixed release, the rest in rolling release. If the release number was no longer part of the rpm name, packages that were not changed (which I would exp

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread sorteal
Just a suggestion but what about possible LTS releases. Similar to say Ubuntu Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Sinner from the Prairy Sender: mageia-dev-boun...@mageia.org Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:05:46 To: Reply-To: Mageia development mailin

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Juan Luis Baptiste
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Samuel Verschelde wrote: > > I don't want an iPod or an iPhone. > I do but they're so expensive :P -- Juancho

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
atilla ontas wrote: > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. (...) > One more thing. Do we follow Mandriva's release naming scheme? I.e. do > we call our first release 2011.x ? I don't like this naming scheme and > suggesting using number of release as naming like Mageia

Re: [Mageia-dev] An idea for improve URPMI ;)

2010-10-01 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Oliver Burger wrote: > André Machado schrieb am 2010-09-30 >> I'm asking if is possible "force" >> or "make" URPMI create this "groups", elect the smaller one and download >> it, from the smaller to bigger package, install it and download the >> second smaller package group in this same order. >

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Daniel Le Berre
Le 01/10/2010 20:03, Olivier Méjean a écrit : > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 08:51:34, atilla ontas a écrit : >> I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every >> 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should >> make one release in one year. By doing so de

Re: [Mageia-dev] So?

2010-10-01 Thread Remy CLOUARD
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 02:16:34AM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: > I guess Anne forgot, thanks for reminding us. > > I can make a brief summary from what I remind : > > - a sysadmin team have been created, except we do not have yet servers > to manage ( ok, 1 ). I will let nicolas (boklm) explai

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread nicolas vigier
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Méjean wrote: > > What about a rolling distribution ? As an user (just plain user) i do not > think that installing a distribution is a goal, just a mean to use my > computer, so i wish i could not spend time installing a distribution every 6 > months or every year

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Fabrice Facorat wrote: > 2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny > : (...) >> Both (substance, appearance) are crucial. If you only consider one >> without balancing, making it consistent with the other, you're not >> going down the right path. The interface, the whole experience with it >> is the product. >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread sorteal
On 10/1/2010 1:20 PM, Thierry Vignaud wrote: On 1 October 2010 18:54, wrote: I must agree. If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done by the user. Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would be a better choice. That's alreay what we do for years. We install a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Frank Griffin
Hoyt Duff wrote: > I see that this thread has become a collection of > "No, THIS is what is meant by that word." > "Why is the list broken?" > "Allow me to re-state what I have re-stated many times" > "I like this feature, so that's what we should do." > "I am an expert, so this is what we should d

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 1 October 2010 18:54, wrote: > > I must agree. If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done > by the user.  Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would > be a better choice. That's alreay what we do for years. We install a matching browser according to the choose

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Gustavo Giampaoli
> That is where this discussion should start. Until then, we are wasting > our time unless the entire point of all this is simply an exercise in > egocentrism. Should be us (the whole Community whit loong threads and pols) who determine which will be the target? Or should we leave so importan

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread sorteal
On 10/1/2010 12:53 PM, Gustavo Giampaoli wrote: Why not to use something like this? http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to be more "democratic"? Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread sorteal
I must agree. If FF is going to be the default then addons should be done by the user. Although I still think a browser better suited to KDE would be a better choice. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Sinner from the Prairy Sender: mageia-dev

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Gustavo Giampaoli
Why not to use something like this? http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/02/19feb10ou2b4dsdvd.jpg MS implemented it at Europe because they forced to. We could do it to be more "democratic"? Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Liam R E Quin wrote: > Better to make AdBlock scripts easy to install (e.g. via > MageiaControlCentre?), and maybe include them (so no download needed) > but not enabled. I'd rather have FFox add-ons to be installed as in every other platform: through official FFox way. Salut, Sinenr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Sinner from the Prairy
Michael Scherer wrote: > Chromium is a pain to properly package, imho. But then, it is extremely fast on my system, compared to FireFox. Salut, Sinner

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 03:59 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:43:13 -0400, Michael Scherer wrote: > > > SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering > > contributions should be one of our goals. > > In my opinion, Magiea's primary market should be l

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Sorteal
I think that from both a financial and technological point of view Mageia should have two releases a year. With the rate at which Linux technology increases it makes a lot of sense to have a release every 6 months. Also, I do agree that using the year number for each release is very handy. -Jaso

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Hoyt Duff
I see that this thread has become a collection of "No, THIS is what is meant by that word." "Why is the list broken?" "Allow me to re-state what I have re-stated many times" "I like this feature, so that's what we should do." "I am an expert, so this is what we should do." "The problem is ." "The f

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Maurice Batey
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:51:34 +0300, atilla ontas wrote: > I'm just wondering if we follow Mandriva's release cycle model. Every > 6th months a release or one year and one release. I think we should > make one release in one year. I feel the same way, but from an income point of view Mageia woul

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread atilla ontas
2010/10/1 Arthur Cheung : > Hi  atilla ontas > > I support 6-month release circle,and i think Mageia should be relased > in winter and summer to avoid direct competition with Ubuntu and > Fedora. > > As for naming, scheme,the Mandriva way is ok. > > BTW : > I'm from china and i can do some translat

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/1 Graham Lauder : > > OK then let me put it another way, you have taught IT for 15 years. Teaching IT was only the smallest part. I was involved in selling, purchasing, advising - the whole area, not just that small marketing section. And I talked to people all over the country, including

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Frank Griffin
Graham Lauder wrote: > On Saturday 02 Oct 2010 01:14:36 Frank Griffin wrote: > > >>> And you miss my point entirely, there is NO trumpeting, that's >>> advertising, there is no exclusion, rather inclusion of a missed market >>> >> Oh, come on. Trumpeting and advertising are essentially t

Re: [Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?

2010-10-01 Thread Arthur Cheung
Hi atilla ontas I support 6-month release circle,and i think Mageia should be relased in winter and summer to avoid direct competition with Ubuntu and Fedora. As for naming, scheme,the Mandriva way is ok. BTW : I'm from china and i can do some translation jobs,if needed. 2010/10/1, atilla onta

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Marek Laane
2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud > On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote: > > But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier, > > because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push > > incremental patchsets. > > It's easier for us developers but more difficult fo

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Robert Xu
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 09:43, Olivier Blin wrote: > Thierry Vignaud writes: > >> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote: >>> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier, >>> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push >>> incremental patchsets. >>

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Olivier Blin
Thierry Vignaud writes: > On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote: >> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier, >> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push >> incremental patchsets. > > It's easier for us developers but more difficult for tra

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Graham Lauder
On Saturday 02 Oct 2010 01:14:36 Frank Griffin wrote: > I'm not sure what's going on with this ML. I responded to a post by > Graham Lauder, and it ended up going to him but not the ML. He then > responded to me privately, and we both agreed to repost to the ML. > According to the gmane archives,

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Fabrice Facorat
2010/10/1 Samuel Verschelde : > > Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 15:15:26, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : >> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but >> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about >> appearance ) and so are successful. >> > > I don't want an iPod o

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Fabrice Facorat
2010/10/1 Romain d'Alverny : > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat > wrote: >> 2010/10/1 Tux99 : >>> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. >> >> again you're somewhat wrong >> >> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but >> they have better appearan

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Romain d'Alverny
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:15, Fabrice Facorat wrote: > 2010/10/1 Tux99 : >> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. > > again you're somewhat wrong > > iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but > they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about > app

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Samuel Verschelde
Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 15:15:26, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : > iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but > they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about > appearance ) and so are successful. > I don't want an iPod or an iPhone.

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Fabrice Facorat
2010/10/1 Tux99 : > On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote: > >> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the >> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes >> buggy. >> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we >> should as

Re: [Mageia-dev] [Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 1 October 2010 12:38, Fabrice Facorat wrote: > As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools, > however Mandriva tools have some issues : > - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think > that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langage

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin wrote: > But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier, > because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push > incremental patchsets. It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that learned to use SVN (

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Frederic Janssens
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 00:43, Michael Scherer wrote: > > Yup, the distro that make you become expert, something like that. > > One thing we must not forget is that we need people that contribute if > we want to survive. A commercial distribution requires money ( and > therefore users that can bri

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Frank Griffin
I'm not sure what's going on with this ML. I responded to a post by Graham Lauder, and it ended up going to him but not the ML. He then responded to me privately, and we both agreed to repost to the ML. According to the gmane archives, he did, but I never received his repost, so I can't place my

Re: [Mageia-dev] Hello

2010-10-01 Thread Gustavo Giampaoli
Hi zieduz Did you put your name in the wiki? www.mageia.org/wiki Cheers! Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Gustavo Giampaoli
> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me. Of course, but we must not be "closed minds". Yes, maybe from the developers POV or from advanced user POV or some "geek" POV, the appearance isn't too important. But common people (and my self) like "pretty things". Even when the eye-candy isn

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two Ooops, Tux99, it also looks like your post has broken the thread on the dev side. The thread probably best belongs on the dev mailist. Marc Oops a

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-01 07:23, Tux99 a écrit : On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote: This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes buggy. The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we shoul

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 12:52 +0200, Olivier Blin a écrit : > Fabrice Facorat writes: > > > 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease > > fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to > > have a Mandriva account ) > > Why host them external

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Tux99
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote: > This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the > Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes > buggy. > The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we > should ask ourself : are we going t

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Fabrice Facorat
2010/10/1 Marc Paré : > >> >> Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs. >> deb thread... >> >> > > Yes, the magic of mailists strikes again. And of course, the same arguments > will be restated again because people can not browse back to the previous > arguments. In a lo

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs. deb thread... Yes, the magic of mailists strikes again. And of course, the same arguments will be restated again because people can not browse back to the previous arguments. In a lot of cases, "Déjà vu" could almost be

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Andrey Borzenkov
Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:38:31 +0200 письмо от Fabrice Facorat : > 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager I do not see why they should exclude each other. network-scripts/NM coexist in Fedora; Fedora ifup will request NM to start interface if required; if NM is no

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Tux99
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Marc Paré wrote: > Just speaking from the "user" point of view. Let us not lose sight that > one of the strong points of Mandriva/Mageia is the use of the MCC. > Having all the controls under one title and well integrated is what > really distinguishes Mandriva from the othe

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-01 06:38, Fabrice Facorat a écrit : I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have no choice except to cope with this and t

Re: [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Olivier Blin
Fabrice Facorat writes: > 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease > fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to > have a Mandriva account ) Why host them externally? A self-hosted "forge" is probably better. But actually, just moving to git

[Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github

2010-10-01 Thread Fabrice Facorat
I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow this unfortunate situa

Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Re: Survey Any distro who does not know the user usage is working in the dark. Mageia should (just like Mandriva) have a quick initial questionnaire offering an account to its registering service. This is necessary for marketing purposes and for planning purposes. There would be nothing worse

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Graham Lauder
On Friday 01 Oct 2010 20:49:11 Oliver Burger wrote: > Wolfgang Bornath schrieb am 2010-10-01 > > > 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder : > > >> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new > > >> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no > > >> say, it's eithe

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-01 05:56, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/10/1 Marc Paré: Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups available on existin

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Graham Lauder
On Friday 01 Oct 2010 20:37:52 Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder : > >> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new > >> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no > >> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Usually the more the extensions you have the heavier/more-ram/more-startup-time firefox gets (and the last time I used AdBlock Plus, about 10 months ago, it leaked memory...). Also it's not useful all over, I think I can do without it if I have noscript installed, (now what would you say if noscr

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/1 Marc Paré : >> Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have >> to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational >> group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups >> available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be cal

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Paré
Such applications don't have to be installed by default. They just have to be available on the installation DVD, with a selectable Educational group of applications, much like the Internet and Server groups available on existing Mandriva DVD's. It could even be called "Young Family". Note that in

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 à 12:28 +0300, atilla ontas a écrit : > Please do not make any extension as default. Even do not paxckage > extensions. A user should decide which extension he/she uses. Also, i > don't understand why extensions packaged. Day by day extensions > updated on upstream. So,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 1 October 2010 11:17, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud : >> On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's >>> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by >>> default. I've

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread atilla ontas
2010/10/1 Wolfgang Bornath : > 2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud : >> On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >>> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's >>> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by >>> default. I've never used those exte

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud : > On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: >> Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's >> decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by >> default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/1 Michael Scherer : > > I always wondered why Microsoft didn't crush Google by forcing such > settings in Internet Explorer some years ago. They could even have done > worst, downloading but not showing and ask the choice to users on > install time, and let advertisers know this fact ( whic

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 1 October 2010 10:44, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > Which extionsion a user wants to instaall should be left to the user's > decision. Make the install easy but do not install any extensions by > default. I've never used those extensions, except the developper bar. > Somebody told me to install Adb

Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?

2010-10-01 Thread Dick Gevers
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:49:34 + (UTC), André Machado wrote about Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?: >Think in emotive computer. Think that user starts up your computer and >sees a window with text: "Good morning/afternon/night username!". And in >another l

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Michael Scherer
Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 à 22:18 -0400, Liam R E Quin a écrit : > On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 04:07 +0200, Tux99 wrote: > [...] > > While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by > > default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? > > Blocking off ads and tracking script

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/1 Thierry Vignaud : > On 1 October 2010 04:07, Tux99 wrote: >> While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by >> default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? >> Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! > > I've packaged this ex

Re: [Mageia-dev] Talk of Browsers

2010-10-01 Thread Thierry Vignaud
On 1 October 2010 04:07, Tux99 wrote: > While we are at it, why don't we rather include AdblockPlus enabled by > default with EasyList+EasyPrivacy filters for Firefox? > Blocking off ads and tracking scripts makes Firefox a lot faster too! I've packaged this extension (in contribs) a long time ag

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread P. Christeas
On Friday 01 October 2010, David W. Hodgins wrote: > > In my opinion, Magiea's primary market should be linux developers, Yes and no. I am a developer, using Mandriva all these years and want Mageia also to be a _developer friendly_ distribution. But not a /developer oriented/ like slackware o

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:43:13 -0400, Michael Scherer wrote: SO IMHO, this is what we should seek if we want to survive. Gathering contributions should be one of our goals. In my opinion, Magiea's primary market should be linux developers, since they are the people who can contribute the most.

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Oliver Burger
Wolfgang Bornath schrieb am 2010-10-01 > 2010/10/1 Graham Lauder : > >> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new > >> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no > >> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know > >> anything ab

Re: [Mageia-dev] Identifying Target Markets

2010-10-01 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
2010/10/1 Graham Lauder : >> >> The families: if the kid wants a computer then either Dad buys a new >> one and the kids get the old, or they buy a new one but mom has no >> say, it's either Dad or the kids because the parents don't know >> anything about computers. > > Nonsense, It's interesting I