Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Francois Pussault
Hi, I upgrade only when i need to, or when a version is done, to buy CD & give money to the project. So twice a year maximum, but most often on spring version once a year > > From: Peter N. M. Hansteen > Sent: Tue Jul 12 08:25:18 CEST 2011 > To: Kenneth R

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Kenneth R Westerback writes: > You don't have to install anything. And if you upgrade only when > you 'have' to, I recommend you track -current, which has a clear > requirement that if you haven't upgraded today, you are no longer > running -current. Thus you 'have' to upgrade every day. Well, t

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread Andres Perera
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:43 PM, patrick keshishian wrote: > > you failed at making any point. i'll rebrand it into convenient twitter format: debian splits packages to the point where a single service is a associated to a single top level package, meaning that there's never a reason for unused

Re: hangs while compiling with dpb

2011-07-11 Thread STeve Andre'
On 07/11/11 20:52, STeve Andre' wrote: On 07/11/11 18:57, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2011-07-11, Amit Kulkarni wrote: It looks like it hangs in devel/libsigsegv but its not resolved by reverting art@ KERNEL_LOCK()/KERNEL_UNLOCK() as guenther@ says a few hours ago. I compiled kernel again post

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 09:42:10PM -0400, Kenneth R Westerback wrote: > You don't have to install anything. And if you upgrade only when > you 'have' to, I recommend you track -current, which has a clear > requirement that if you haven't upgraded today, you are no longer > running -current. Thus y

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread patrick keshishian
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:40 PM, patrick keshishian > wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Andres Perera >>> >>> why would you install a daemon and not run it? how is it any different >>> than X listening on localhost by default in o

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread Andres Perera
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:40 PM, patrick keshishian wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Andres Perera >> >> why would you install a daemon and not run it? how is it any different >> than X listening on localhost by default in obsd? > > Just because you install something doesn't mean you wan

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread patrick keshishian
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM, J Sisson wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Juan Miscaro wrote: >> >>> On 7 July 2011 15:06, jirib wrote: >>> >>> Are you kidding? Ubuntu? Where installed daemons are running by default, >>> > where

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 04:25:53AM -0700, lancebaynes87 wrote: > This is starting to get funny. Way ahead of you. > > The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the > different versions security support time. There is no 'security' support time. There is 'support time'

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread Andres Perera
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:48 PM, J Sisson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Andres Perera wrote: >> >> why would you install a daemon and not run it? how is it any different >> than X listening on localhost by default in obsd? if you install a >> daemon in debian/ubuntu and it listens on

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread J Sisson
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > why would you install a daemon and not run it? how is it any different > than X listening on localhost by default in obsd? if you install a > daemon in debian/ubuntu and it listens on 0.0.0.0 by default, the > package isn't following distro

Re: apache ssl behind nat problems

2011-07-11 Thread Paul Suh
On Jul 11, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Jacob L. Leifman wrote: > Environment: > - OpenBSD 4.9, stock (base) apache with self-signed certificate > - behind a SOHO NAT router (with relevant in-bound redirects) > > Problem: non-local SSL connections never complete the handshake > (verified while monitoring the

Re: apache ssl behind nat problems

2011-07-11 Thread Nigel Taylor
Hi, One guess would be the SSL certificate is for your internal hostname, not your external hostname. Those connecting to the external hostname, reject the connection because the hostname doesn't match the certificate. To use both internal and external names you have to create certificate und

Re: hangs while compiling with dpb

2011-07-11 Thread STeve Andre'
On 07/11/11 18:57, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2011-07-11, Amit Kulkarni wrote: It looks like it hangs in devel/libsigsegv but its not resolved by reverting art@ KERNEL_LOCK()/KERNEL_UNLOCK() as guenther@ says a few hours ago. I compiled kernel again post his commit and its still hanging. Are y

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread Andres Perera
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:46 PM, J Sisson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Juan Miscaro wrote: > >> On 7 July 2011 15:06, jirib wrote: >> >> Are you kidding? Ubuntu? Where installed daemons are running by default, >> > where there is no command to disable shitty upstart daemons? >> >> W

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread J Sisson
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Juan Miscaro wrote: > On 7 July 2011 15:06, jirib wrote: > > Are you kidding? Ubuntu? Where installed daemons are running by default, > > where there is no command to disable shitty upstart daemons? > > Which daemons are those again? > > apt-get install Oh look

Re: How does OpenBSD compare to Ubuntu Server?

2011-07-11 Thread Juan Miscaro
On 7 July 2011 15:06, jirib wrote: > On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:02:08 -0400 > Juan Miscaro wrote: > >> Was wondering what advantages OpenBSD has over a progressive Linux >> distribution such as Ubuntu (Server edition). > > Are you kidding? Ubuntu? Where installed daemons are running by default, > wher

Re: hangs while compiling with dpb

2011-07-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-07-11, Amit Kulkarni wrote: > > It looks like it hangs in devel/libsigsegv but its not resolved by > reverting art@ KERNEL_LOCK()/KERNEL_UNLOCK() as guenther@ says a few > hours ago. I compiled kernel again post his commit and its still > hanging. Are you certain your tree is up-to-date?

apache ssl behind nat problems

2011-07-11 Thread Jacob L. Leifman
Environment: - OpenBSD 4.9, stock (base) apache with self-signed certificate - behind a SOHO NAT router (with relevant in-bound redirects) Problem: non-local SSL connections never complete the handshake (verified while monitoring the interface with tcpdump, see below) During troubleshooting I

Re: hangs while compiling with dpb

2011-07-11 Thread Amit Kulkarni
>> Since the past few days, I can't get anything to build with dpb. The >> machine locks up in a hanged state with no response. I have to >> forcibly power off. > > What was it building at the time? dpb was building www/amaya/browser and its related dependencies. When I try to get to that folder a

Re: hangs while compiling with dpb

2011-07-11 Thread Philip Guenther
On Monday, July 11, 2011, Amit Kulkarni wrote: > Since the past few days, I can't get anything to build with dpb. The > machine locks up in a hanged state with no response. I have to > forcibly power off. What was it building at the time? > This started happening post c2k11 changes. > > amd64,

hangs while compiling with dpb

2011-07-11 Thread Amit Kulkarni
Hi, Since the past few days, I can't get anything to build with dpb. The machine locks up in a hanged state with no response. I have to forcibly power off. This started happening post c2k11 changes. amd64, GENERIC.MP compiled from source. Tried the amd64 July 10th snapshot and its the same resul

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Re: [Q] Regarding the OpenBSD packages update policy

2011-07-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-07-11, Miguel Almeida wrote: > Hello all. This is the first time I'm posting to this mailing list so I'll > briefly introduce myself: I'm Miguel Almeida, I live in Portugal, I work as an > independent consultant, I've been using OpenBSD for less than a year (on two > of my own servers) and

[Q] Regarding the OpenBSD packages update policy

2011-07-11 Thread Miguel Almeida
Hello all. This is the first time I'm posting to this mailing list so I'll briefly introduce myself: I'm Miguel Almeida, I live in Portugal, I work as an independent consultant, I've been using OpenBSD for less than a year (on two of my own servers) and, well, to end this short intro, I'll say I've

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-07-11, lancebaynes87 wrote: > This is starting to get funny. > > The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the > different versions security support time. > > How long does a version get's security support? > > If I install a version of OpenBSD then when do I hav

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
lancebaynes87 writes: > The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the > different versions security support time. well, a little bit into http://www.openbsd.org/security.html you will find this snippet: "OpenBSD 4.7 and earlier releases are not supported anymore. The fo

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Eric Faurot
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 04:25:53AM -0700, lancebaynes87 wrote: > This is starting to get funny. > > The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the > different versions security support time. No kidding? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Flavors You are linked directly

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread J Sisson
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:25 AM, lancebaynes87 wrote: > The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the > different versions security support time. > > Surprisingly, people expect to use the worlds most secure OS without reading anything about it. (hint: no OS will save you

Re: If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, lancebaynes87 wrote: > This is starting to get funny. Pretty funny indeed, now we see people installing an OS and they don't even know how to read... http://www.openbsd.org/faq/index.html > The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the > different

If I install OpenBSD 4.9, when will I have to upgrade to 5.0?

2011-07-11 Thread lancebaynes87
This is starting to get funny. The worlds most secure os, and it doesn't have any docs regarding the different versions security support time. How long does a version get's security support? If I install a version of OpenBSD then when do I have to upgrade to a fresher version?? E.g.: If I