Rachel,
Yes , I worked at JPL in Pasadena California for 8 years
and we had all these PHDs running around. Very smart people
who could never apply their knowledge and produce work.
They would let you know how smart they were though.
Since I have not taken every oracle class it was unfair
of me
I almost never took an Oracle course. Read docs, went to conferences,
spoke with (phone) and wrote to (snail mail) other DBAs asking
questions, and what-ifs. TRYING things on my own.
How do you think the "top-notch people" got to BE top-notch? I
seriously doubt it was from taking Oracle classes b
heck, anything (presentations, classes, books) are all good or bad
depending on the knowledge of the person presenting the information and
their ability to teach
sometimes the ability to teach is more important than how much they
know. I've known really smart people who can't make anyone understa
Dennis,
Excellent point! We discussed Oracle training without asking Peter
what he wanted to learn!
So...Peter,
What would you like to learn? If it is advanced Oracle DBA stuff,
I'll stand by my recommendation. Otherwise, I will defer to the list on
other areas.
Daniel W. Fink
S
alright ... Ill buy that explanation.
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not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related
to the quality of the instructor.
I have had the good fortune to take classes wi
Dan, and others
It is very useful to see how the top-notch people keep themselves up
to speed. But of course, any advice must be suited to the advisee. For
example, for some of us a little lower on the food chain, maybe acquiring
the OCP might be a first step. Now Peter isn't exactly a nov
The Internals classes are not to be missed!
I go to user group meetings, attend conferences and hang out on this
list to learn these days. Once in a while I take a new features class,
but that's rare. Conferences teach me more.
Cary is teaching a clinic in NYC in July... I don't think I can get
I agree with Rachel.
I had to ditch one class after the 1st day.
But I got re-registered for the same class when Scott Gossett taught it. And
it was worth it. Trust me.
- Kirti
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not total
I concur. I received incorrect information in the beginning DBA classes, but
the time spent in the 8i Data Server Internals Seminar with Scott Gossett
was incredibly valuable (and I paid for it and the travel to Bethesda
myself).
For my money, I would rather attend the top notch user group meetin
Peter - Do you have a particular objective in mind? For example, would you
like to eventually complete the OCP? The normal progression (using Oracle
Education classes as a basis) would be:
1. SQL & PL/SQL
2. DBA
3. Advanced topics (check education.oracle.com for description
not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related
to the quality of the instructor.
I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of
Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with
some of the "less best"
--- "Johnson, Michael "
I would second these selections below
Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless.
fwiw !
Peace and Love
Mike
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Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com
--- "Schau
Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com
--- "Schauss, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a
écrit : > My manager has told me that he has budget to
send me
> for
> a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days,
> preferably
> in the local area (Long Island or NYC).
>
> A bit of background on myself:
>
If I had that oppurtunity, I would lap up Cary Millsap's Hot clinic to be
conducted in NYC around July 9-11. You should be able to get more
information from www.hotsos.com.
Raj
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