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From: "Uri Goldbourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs
Make it North American bias,
As for 5 years from now - the same was said of 12.3-12.4 100m hurdles times
in the late 1970s and
My wife suggested "Deja Vu". I might just cut that down to "deja" as is in
"I think we've had *already* had enough."
The thought of the mascot is like one of those crappy songs you can't get
out of your head for days on end like "It's a Small World After All", which
was stuck in my head of more t
Maybe that's appropriate as another sport in which the US is slowly losing
it's spot as a prominent player in world competition.
Let's hope that the 2003 Worlds are more succesful for the US T&F team than
the WBC were for the USA Basketball team.
Jorma
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> Maybe we shoul
Only an MBA could come up with that one!
malmo
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Subject: t-and-f: New USATF mascot
Well, it's clearly recycled from the World Bask
Another quote from a non-list friend: "Bart Simpson said it best...
it's craptacular!"
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I think they should name it "Wind-aided" or "Personal Worst" or maybe just
"Nandro".
Kurt Bray
Whoa... Has anyone mentioned FATSU yet? Sort of appropriate, being a
fatso USATF mascot...
Dan
--- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the rig
Maybe we should call him Bounce, since that is what his name was before he
was recycled from the World Basketball Championships that were in
Indianapolis this summer:
http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/community/bounce.htm
Oh. My. God. I was merely embarrassed for my sport before. Now I want
t
Whoa... Has anyone mentioned FATSU yet? Sort of appropriate, being a
fatso USATF mascot...
Dan
--- ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand
> side of the home page.
>
> I think this was an early reject in the contest that "Whatzit
Maybe we can blame George Frenn.
Jim Rorick
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From: "Tom Borish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: t-and-f: New USATF mascot
> Well, it's clearly recycled from the World Basketball Championships. I
>
"The mascot is the exclusive property of USATF and
will be a part of efforts to brand USATF and the sport
of track & field."
Maybe USATF figures no one watched the US basketball
team's dismal performance at the World Basketball
Championships and purchased the exclusive rights on
the cheap. Very e
Well, it's clearly recycled from the World Basketball Championships. I
really hope they don't go with this...looks too much like a basketball
mascot. All that its missing is a basketball and a hoop to dunk on.
Nothing about it has a "track & field" look to it. Who is the marketing
guru behi
USATF get a good price on a used-mascot sale on e-Bay? First response in the
office when we saw it was that it was a guy wearing basketball gear, and the
nose is decidedly evocative of a basketball itself.
> From: "Christopher Goss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Christopher Goss" <[EMAIL PROTEC
Collected quotes from some of my non-track-watching and/or non-list friends:
"That's the worst lookin' mascot i have ever seen."
"The mascot's insane. Marketing experts...who needs them?"
"You would think the mascot wouldn't have a beer belly. That is one
of the worst mascots I've ever seen."
Maybe we should call him Bounce, since that is what his name was before he
was recycled from the World Basketball Championships that were in
Indianapolis this summer:
http://www.2002worldbasketball.com/community/bounce.htm
I guess we should be thankful that we didn't get one of the other picks
Wow.
I do kinda like the globe-as-nose concept though.
Looks to me like some science fiction monster about to eat the Earth.
I think they should just name it "What the F@#% Is That?", since
that's what everyone will be saying anyway.
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The Austin Chronicle
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I voted for DQ. According to the press release, the goal is to attract
youth, so let's grab them with a name associated with something most kids
love (ice cream) as well as significance to T&F. Second choice is B Sample.
"...wild and zany on and off the track..." Sounds more like the old, fun
Is he related to Alf?
GM
Wow.
I do kinda like the globe-as-nose concept though.
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I'd like to see you sell that to Canadians!
> From: "Uri Goldbourt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: Guevara
>
> Isn't a person living in
OK, let me be first! I suggest that the name of the new USA TRACK & FIELD
mascot should be Hootie, tieing together both Augusta and Nationals running.
:-)
> From: Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:24:53 -0600
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For spinal injuries, common practice is to try and block as much of the
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The vote for Guevara was mandated by an inconspicuous provision of NAFTA.
Jim Rorick
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From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs
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As a professional media critic, I could expound for hours on this
subject. But I won't, because this is the TRACK AND FIELD newsgroup.
We're getting a little off-topic here, aren't we? If anyone wants the
URL of the archive of my old media columns, I'll be happy to give it,
but otherwise, maybe
malmo wrote:
> Let's see if I got this straight: wealthy, insular white women, who live
> in segregated buildings, eat at segregated restaurants, send their kids
> to segregated schools, belong to segregated clubs and attend segregated
> social events, are protesting Augusta's men-only policy so t
How dare you interrupt our drugs & title ix discussions with a real track
topic?!! :-)
gh
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> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:04:00 +
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> Subject: t-and-f: 1500 meters
>
> Not sure if this has
What's really great is that they're asking us for name suggestions. I
recommended "Dumbass the Dork."
Lee
This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand side of
the home page.
I think this was an early reject in the contest that "Whatzit" won in '92
for Atlanta.
The Apoc
Although I didn't see last Sunday's program myself (Xmas parade and all
that), I'm surprised nobody addressed it on the list. Didn't it spike any
passion in anyone?
If there's a 60M show along this line that should have sparked interest it
was the one about a month ago relative to academic perform
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. USA
While that may be technically correct, I doubt you'll find many people who
would support the view that "American" refers to anything other than a
citizen of the United States. Nice try, though. :-)
Dan
--- Uri Goldbourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> American, my friend, is anyone living in the c
What makes the Anderson column incident so bad is that we live in an
age aof one-newspaper towns which makes it incumbent upon those surviving
journals to present as wide a possible range of opinion as possible on
controversies of this kind.
Re Ed's remark: Let's see, Anderson writes i
We need to come up wit the winning name.
Because of my lack of orginality, I submitted "Apocalypse"
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> From: ghill [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:34 PM
> To: track list
> Subject: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention
Isn't a person living in the continent of North America an American? Or do
you reserve this only for US Citizens..Now seriously, I meant a
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From: "Jack Pfeifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:37 PM
Subject: t-and-f: Guevar
And I use the word "spin" carefully, because any time you get into numbers,
you can start doing hinky things, but some of the figures she cites are
eye-opening.
Story, from SF Chronicle, starts:
<>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/12/05
/SP47388.DTL
Not sure if this has been discussed; USA indoors will run 1500m instead of
mile this year.
I assume this is to get on par with the rest of the world, this being a W.
Champs year and all. However, we'll still be off from the rest of the meets
right here in the US. Why don't we all just run the 1
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American, my friend, is anyone living in the continentes of North an South
America, not just the USA.
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From: "Dan Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AO
Word out of Gainesville is that he has given up football and is
concentrating on a pro track career.
gh
Marita Koch and irena Schewinska are two of the all time greatest atheletes,
not just "Soviet-block-atheletes-you-know what that means"...
UG
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From: "Lee Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 4:38 P
Make it North American bias,
As for 5 years from now - the same was said of 12.3-12.4 100m hurdles times
in the late 1970s and early 1980s, remember?
So let us wait those 5 years and find out if 50 secs indeed remain rare and
also observe where 4.80 or so rank one in the women's PV.
"Talk" to
Dragila finished 2nd only once in 9 meets against Feofanova; her average
finish in the other 8 meets was 4th.
gh
> From: Ben Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Ben Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:18:03 -0500 (EST)
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL
Well, look for 2003 to show further action with the German contingent
stepping it up. Perhaps, a changing of the guard?
In a message dated 12/5/2002 11:37:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>She went 9 and 0 versus Dragila. Dragila might as well have taken the
>year off like Merry and Freeman.
Well, that rule is vague enough to ban just about anything stronger than
water. But how was that rule actually applied? Has anyone ever been
punished for testing positive for cortisone? Has cortisone ever even been
tested for?
My impression is that cortisone injections are and have always be
What bothers me is that almost all media outlets are owned by just a handful of
corporations, such as News Corp (Fox), Sony, AOL-Time Warner, Disney, etc. Check this
out for more:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/giants/
What kind of objective reporting do you think they're do
KHANNOUCHI & JONES NAMED U.S. ATHLETES OF THE YEAR
Mountain View, California--Track & Field News has named marathoner Khalid
Khannouchi and sprinter Marion Jones as its U.S. Athletes Of The Year for
2002.
Khannouchi earned 20 of the 24 votes for men's No. 1 as he became the first
marathoner to to
This defies belief. Go to www.usatf.org and check out the right-hand side of
the home page.
I think this was an early reject in the contest that "Whatzit" won in '92
for Atlanta.
The Apocalypse is upon us...
gh
There was an interesting steroid tidbit that came up in the NFL earlier this
year.
Pittsburgh quarterback Tommy Maddox injured his head and neck and briefly
lost all feeling in his limbs. As he was being rushed to the hospital, the
emergency medical people on the ambulance pumped him full of steri
Could have been vitamin B12 - this sometimes is injected as it doesn't
absorb from the GI tract very easily.
-Buck Jones
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From: Kurt Bray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Let's see if I got this straight: wealthy, insular white women, who live
in segregated buildings, eat at segregated restaurants, send their kids
to segregated schools, belong to segregated clubs and attend segregated
social events, are protesting Augusta's men-only policy so that OTHER
wealthy, ins
If we want to consider "perfectly innocent" let's discuss the rules in
effect in 1969 (and '70), a far simpler time. The rule (144:1) said simply
this:
"Doping is the employment of drugs with the intention of increasing athletic
efficiency by their stimulating action upon muscles or nerves or by
p
She went 9 and 0 versus Dragila. Dragila might as well have taken the
year off like Merry and Freeman. She may have been in the meets but she
was hardly near her best.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Svetlana had the opportunity on a regular basis to go head to head with the
>
GH wrote:
> The concept of a "free press" as we enjoy it today is a much more recent
> concept than you might imagine. The following ran in the SF Chronicle the
> other day, relative to the behaviour of papers in California politics in a
> not-too-distant past.
I would add, though, that the diff
I agree that I think Frank Shorter is too smart a guy to somehow think that
his American teammate was French, so I would tend to put that down to
confusion on the part of the reporter.
However, one thing that I think everyone is overlooking is that Frenn
injecting a "steroid" into his leg (and
Svetlana had the opportunity on a regular basis to go head to head with the
Oly Champ, World Champ and WR holder and beat her. The absence of Freeman,
Merry was the difference that I saw.
In a message dated 12/5/2002 7:36:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>'m not convinced there's any quality di
I've been reluctant to get involved in this fray about Shorter and
Frenn and who said what, but it does involve the inner workings of
the place where I work, so I will make a couple of remarks:
Did the reporter get it wrong? Actually, there was more than one
reporter on this particular article.
Ed Grant wrote:
>
> My wife happens to belong to one of the consituent members of this
> organization. Her group was "taken over" by radical feminism with
absolutely
> no consultation of the hundreds of local groups spread around the country.
> It just happened. And this is typical of the o
According to an AP story I saw this morning, the story that Anderson (and
another staffer did one as well) wrote and got cut was because it violated
the NYT's rule that the news and editorial sides not be critical of each
other. Nobody said Anderson couldn't take a stance contrary to the
editorial;
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:04:30 +0200 (IST)
> To: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: track list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: T&FN names AOYs
> Resent-From: ghill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Resent-To: "e. garry hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Resent-Date: Thu, 05 Dec
LQQK everyone. I've been told I've been brain dead for some time now. But I
clearly remember sitting high above trackside @ the Northeastern Cabot Cage
back in 1969 (1970?). I got my first high-paying gig as a field announcer. So
the boys are out there contesting the 35 lb. weight throw as a pre
What is the bias? Guevara's not American
feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias
still exists when the panel votes.
Otherwise as I say, it makes sense (I'd personally place Khannouchi
first given
his fantastic London and Chicago feats).
UG
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!)
> than Guevara, who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly
> impressive 400s, whereas feofanova was much better qualitatively ...
When is the last time a female 400m runner posted a better se
As a reporter myself, I have to agree, I suspect the reporter got
something scrambled, not Shorter. This was a pretty long story, and
stories of this length involve lots of notes. I try to tape every
interview I do, but sometimes I get caught without a recorder and
have to scribble on a pad. In
Netters:
What makes the Anderson column incident so bad is that we live in an
age aof one-newspaper towns which makes it incumbent upon those surviving
journals to present as wide a possible range of opinion as possible on
controversies of this kind.
It alsoi bothers me that there
Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!) than Guevara,
who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive
400s, whereas
feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias
still exists when the panel votes.
"Not terribly impressive"? S
Hmm While I hardly consider myself a member of the mainstream media
(given that A, I write about T&F and B, that I was a bacteriology major), if
I didn't belive in the credibility of my press brethren I'd probably feel
compelled to take up a new line of work. My mother always hit me with the
ol
Randy wrote:
>The revelation of the story killing should be a bigger
>story than the Augusta story behind it- there are MUCH
>bigger implications.
>It was indeed a discussion topic on the Fox News Channel
>this evening, but I doubt it got any commentary on the
>other networks.
>But to just y
I'm not convinced there's any quality difference in the results. I don't
think it's a fair to compare Feofanova's results (x number of all-time
marks) in an event that has only been contested at an elite level for not
much more than a handful of years and then compare Guevara to Koch et al.
An
definitely counts, but the quality of results should also play a role. Guevara
did not exactly reign supreme as did Feofanova.
UG
==
Quoting Ben Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Guevara had 0 losses. Feofanova had 2. Going undefeated counts for
> something.
>
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Steve
Garry,
Who has more credibility, Frank or the reporter? Why would you assume that what
you read is actually what Frank said? Except for T&FN reports, I have my doubt
about anything that I read in the press.
John
ghill wrote:
> No need to crosscheck: Frank's credibiity takes another hit because h
John,
With all due respect, why do you chose to believe that Frank really said
this and it was not a mistake. Just because a reporter gets the quote in
the paper it doesn't make it true. If the reporter wanted to retract the
statement, it would appear on page 38. It really is just another
story-may
I'll put my money on a miss quote from the reporter.
malmo wrote:
> Shorter may have gotten Frenn mixed up with those other French
> hammer-throwers from Kent State. It could happen. Cosmic
> unconsciousness. Shrimp plate $1.99.
>
> malmo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Guevara had 0 losses. Feofanova had 2. Going undefeated counts for
something.
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Steve Bennett wrote:
> "Guevara,
> who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s"
>
>
> 49.16 Ana Guevara MEX04 03 19771Zürich16 08 2002
> 49.25 Ana Guevara 1Monaco1
"Guevara,
who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s"
49.16 Ana Guevara MEX04 03 19771Zürich16 08 2002
49.25 Ana Guevara 1Monaco19 07 2002
49.51 Ana Guevara 1Roma12 07 2002
49.56 Ana Guevara 1Madrid20 09 2002
49.69 Ana Guevara 1Bruxelles30 08 2002
49.90 Ana
Reasonable results, but Feofanova getting fewer votes (by far!) than Guevara,
who may have beaten everybody but running not terribly impressive 400s, whereas
feofanova was much better qualitatively, shows that a certain American bias
still exists when the panel votes.
Otherwise as I say, it mak
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