Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

ROMEROUK.pdf On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > Which PDF is it on EVGRAYTOO/files, please? > > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:52 AM, John Berry wrote: > >> Details: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EVGRAYTOO/files/ (join up to >> access pdf) >>

Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

Which PDF is it on EVGRAYTOO/files, please? On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:52 AM, John Berry wrote: > Details: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EVGRAYTOO/files/ (join up to > access pdf) > > http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.0 > http

Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

In other videos you get to see all of it. Nothing can be done to disprove the possibility of fraud to someone committed to being skeptical. (short of wide spread common use) On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:21 PM, wrote: > In reply to John Berry's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 12:13:28 +1200: > Hi, > [sn

Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

In reply to John Berry's message of Mon, 9 May 2011 12:13:28 +1200: Hi, [snip] >A Muller inspired Motor/Generator powering it's self suspended in air... >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iNrjKFSLu4 Notice that there is a part of the front that you never get to see? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk h

Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 8 May 2011 05:52:04 -0700: Hi, [snip] >More like 6 minutes than 6 months - for nanopowder degradation from current >flow > This may be relevant. http://mpac.engr.ucdavis.edu/publications/FAS1.PDF > > >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.

Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

What a waste of valuable domain names. Please don't confuse my site http://e-cat.us/ as a scam or phishing site.

Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

Details: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EVGRAYTOO/files/ (join up to access pdf) http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.0 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10705.msg285087#new

[Vo]:PM Orbo revisited

CLaNZeR is revisiting the very first claim by Steorn by constructing his own very well built apparatus. In his latest video he notes some unusual speeding up and slowing down...(or is it just a glitch...?)     Automated PM-Orbo Rig Part 14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlByHm8hZ8&feature=feed

RE: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

>From Jones: > 10 watts. > > Ironic that the one thing which can nullify the significance of the Rossi > invention is an even more 'impossible' invention which is not only > self-powering, which the E-Cat is not, but also with excess electrical power > instead of heat. > > Which is not to say th

RE: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

>From MoB: > Here is the list with 45 [phishing] sites: > [snip] Gak! Gag me with a spoon! Ya know... It's kind of weird to see so many phishing expeditions attempting to steal investors away from an official website that many consider equally dubious! ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson ww

RE: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

10 watts. Ironic that the one thing which can nullify the significance of the Rossi invention is an even more 'impossible' invention which is not only self-powering, which the E-Cat is not, but also with excess electrical power instead of heat. Which is not to say that this is not a repeat of St

RE: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

> A Muller inspired Motor/Generator powering it's self suspended in air... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iNrjKFSLu4 What are the details? ...it's history. How much energy does it allegedly generate? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: RE: [Vo]:Thermal diode

Yes the similarity is striking, in many ways ... -Original Message- From: Angela Kemmler This reminds me Andrea Rossis claim, that he invented a thermoelectrical element with 20% efficacy. Saw it here: http://esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#Leonardo_Tech

Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Angela Kemmler wrote: > not only energycatalyzer.us was deleted. The same day disappeared also > rossiportal.com. Is there a link? Days ago I made screenshots of all the > pages. I have spoken to Krivit. He has a glitch on rossiportal.com. After you enter rossi

Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

The orientation of the magnets reminds me of Thane Heins' Perepiteia. Harry From: John Berry >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 8:18:41 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy > >BTW, that thing dangling is an Electrolytic cap, not a battery. >He has shared most of the constr

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:A question about patents…

The ion processing of powders is the work seeking protection, the element used would not be limiting. The burden is whether this particular processing would be obvious to someone schooled in the art. In that case, no patent would issue. - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: v

Re: [Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

BTW, that thing dangling is an Electrolytic cap, not a battery. He has shared most of the construction details and is holding nothing back. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Berry wrote: > A Muller inspired Motor/Generator powering it's self suspended in air... > http://www.youtube.com/watc

[Vo]:Self Running Free Energy

A Muller inspired Motor/Generator powering it's self suspended in air... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iNrjKFSLu4

Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

Hi, On 9-5-2011 1:50, Angela Kemmler wrote: not only energycatalyzer.us was deleted. The same day disappeared also rossiportal.com. Is there a link? Days ago I made screenshots of all the pages. Not as far as I can tell; http://www.rossiportal.com/ (or http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECa

Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

Hi, On 9-5-2011 1:50, Angela Kemmler wrote: not only energycatalyzer.us was deleted. The same day disappeared also rossiportal.com. Is there a link? Days ago I made screenshots of all the pages. Here is the list with 45 sites: http://www.energycatalyzer.us http://www.energycatalyzers.us http

Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

not only energycatalyzer.us was deleted. The same day disappeared also rossiportal.com. Is there a link? Days ago I made screenshots of all the pages. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

Re: RE: [Vo]:Thermal diode

This reminds me Andrea Rossis claim, that he invented a thermoelectrical element with 20% efficacy. Saw it here: http://esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#Leonardo_Technologies_Inc. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen!

RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

Terry sez: > wrote: > > > I'm steamed. > > Don't be steamed, be steam punked. Steam power is seeing a > renaissance today even without Rossi. Here are several steam punked > devices including a steam powered PC: > > http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mods/multimedia/2007/06/gallery_steampunk Chee

[Vo]:Gas centrifuges

I surfed on gas centrifuges and two models were mentioned. One was about solid body rotation and the other about a "pancake" model. The physics in a gas centrifuge is very complex. Can anyone liste all the effects taking place? Just the adiabatic heat gradient there must be enormous. David Davi

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 8 May 2011 16:07:23 -0400: Hi, [snip] >So Sorry, I had an order of magnitude error. But the point still applies. >The point I was trying to make was that the 130 kw heat spike could not come >from a reactor vessel with a limited surface area of a reaction ve

Re: [Vo]:Fraud Warning msg posted at Defkalion, May 7

Hi, On 8-5-2011 2:39, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Anyone notice the Fraud warning message posted at the Defkalion web site? Yep, Did some digging in this, it seems there are 45 registered domain-names that are involved in this fraud. Sofar none of them is active anymore. But I

RE: [Vo]:NASA Working on LENR Replication and Theory Confirmation

-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Terry Blanton's message If NASA succeeds in getting excess energy, how are they going to prove that WL is responsible, rather than some other theory? Hmm ... let Krivit report the results ... ??

Re: [Vo]:NASA Working on LENR Replication and Theory Confirmation

In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 8 May 2011 16:16:52 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The plan for NASA Langley to test LENR starts around 7:30. No need to >register to access. [snip] If NASA succeeds in getting excess energy, how are they going to prove that WL is responsible, rather than some othe

Re: [Vo]:22 Steps of Love

In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 8 May 2011 15:29:39 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Our favorite blogger implies today that UoB is about to speak . . . >or, at least, that's how I interpreted it. > >http://22passi.blogspot.com/ > >If it purrs like a duck . . . > >T ...if looks could kill..;) Rega

Re: [Vo]:The UIBM has granted Rossi's patent

Hi, On 7-5-2011 22:26, Akira Shirakawa wrote: They've already put references to the Italian patent approved last month but that only recently (in the last couple days) people discovered. I don't think they would have done that without the exposure on Wikipedia and other channels (maybe even Vo

Re: [Vo]:NASA Working on LENR Replication and Theory Confirmation

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > NASA Working on LENR Replication and Theory Confirmation > > http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/05/06/nasa-working-on-lenr-replication-and-theory-confirmation/ I finally got a chance to listen to the podcast: http://evworld.com/general.cfm?p

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

So Sorry, I had an order of magnitude error. But the point still applies. The point I was trying to make was that the 130 kw heat spike could not come from a reactor vessel with a limited surface area of a reaction vessel the size of a golf ball without melting. That heat spike must have only come

Re: [Vo]:22 Steps of Love

That's the first report listing the observers for the February 18-hour test: Giuseppe Levi Andrea Rossi Daniele Passerini David Bianchini <=== must be Jed's "source close to the test" ! - Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 12:29:39 PM Subject: [Vo]:2

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

Where did the 130,000 kW come from? Levi reported 130 kW for a "brief period". Levi only reported that he saw the OUTSIDE of the reactor ... presumably a longer version of the bulge in the nekkid mini eCat. Essen and Kullander accepted ROSSI's statement that the current reactor is 50cc. All t

Re: [Vo]:22 Steps of Love

On 2011-05-08 21:29, Terry Blanton wrote: Our favorite blogger implies today that UoB is about to speak . . . or, at least, that's how I interpreted it. http://22passi.blogspot.com/ About to speak *soon*, apparently. As for *how* soon, however, we aren't allowed to know yet. It's speculated th

[Vo]:22 Steps of Love

Our favorite blogger implies today that UoB is about to speak . . . or, at least, that's how I interpreted it. http://22passi.blogspot.com/ If it purrs like a duck . . . T

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

peatbog wrote: As I understand it, Rossi is claiming to do something that people > who know a lot about this sort of thing believe is not possible. > Not quite. Rossi and several hundred others have published definitive proof that they are doing something that some other people -- mainly hot fus

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:A question about patents…

Axil Axil wrote: > Let’s say it is bombarded with fast high energy ions that produce many > defects in the lattice structure of nickel nano-powder. Is the powder > patentable or is the ion processing of the powder. > > > > If the same ion processing is done to copper nano-powder, is a separate >

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

> > A person can believe anything, but you do not have a rational > reason for believing this particular assertion. You cannot show > how or why they are mired in confusion, or point to any likely > error in their technique. As I understand it, Rossi is claiming to do something that people who k

Re: [Vo]:Patent application shows the flow-around configuration

As pointed out previously, there is excellent short document describing this issue here: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/2100_2165.htm QUOTE: "The failure to disclose a better method will not invalidate a patent if the inventor, at the time of filing the application, did not

[Vo]:A question about patents…

A question about patents… If the nickel catalyst turns out to be pure nickel nano-powder, but processed and prepared in a special way… Let’s say it is bombarded with fast high energy ions that produce many defects in the lattice structure of nickel nano-powder. Is the powder patentable or is

Re: [Vo]:Stealth Helicopter in Osama Raid?

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/aviation-geeks-scramble-to-i-d-osama-raids-mystery-copter/ > > Some speculated designs: > > http://defensetech.org/2011/05/04/what-the-secret-bin-laden-raid-helo-might-look-like/ Like the Rossi ECat, sp

[Vo]:Stealth Helicopter in Osama Raid?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/aviation-geeks-scramble-to-i-d-osama-raids-mystery-copter/ Some speculated designs: http://defensetech.org/2011/05/04/what-the-secret-bin-laden-raid-helo-might-look-like/ T

[Vo]:Patent application shows the flow-around configuration

The patent application shows the water flowing around a cell inside a pipe. Rossi claims this is the present configuration. Storms and others suspect the water flows through the middle of a torus-shaped cell. There are three possibilities here: this configuration may be immaterial, or important, o

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

- Original Message > From: peatbog > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 1:00:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat? > > > If Steorn, with a bunch of engineers working for it, could make a > measurement error and not spot it for a year or more, and have to > ha

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

I am not sure about the size of E-Cat's "stomach", but the foil covered animal from janurary appears to be slightly longer  from nose to tail than the march/april animal. Harry > >From: Jones Beene >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 12:38:29 PM >Subject: RE: [Vo]:Only one size E-

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

peatbog wrote: > > It is clear now that both of these tests were juvenile efforts at > > calorimetry - below high school standards... > That's not a bit clear. This is industry standard calorimetry for heating systems of this size. These procedures are done hundreds of thousands of times a day

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

Jones Beene wrote: There is no “50 CC” which is relevant. There is no factuality in the > Rothwell appraisal of what others saw, or what he has heard that they saw > That should be: What they told me and what they stated publicly they saw. If Beene does not believe Levi, that's his prerogative,

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

> It is clear now that both of these tests were juvenile efforts at > calorimetry - below high school standards... If Steorn, with a bunch of engineers working for it, could make a measurement error and not spot it for a year or more, and have to have it pointed out to them by an outside engineer

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

If 500 cc volume were true... A cubed shaped reaction chamber with a volume of 50 CC that can produce a 130,000 kw heat spike would radiate at a power of 1 kilowatt per square centimeter give or take. The absolute black body radiation temperature of such a vessel would be 17,636,684,303 degree

RE: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

Well I can see that Rothwell is in now full retreat - since he has started to distort the facts to conform with his prior erroneous assumptions - rather than doing the basic reality check and admitting that he could be wrong. There is no "50 CC" which is relevant. There is no factuality in the

RE: [Vo]:Thermal diode

If we go back to Akira's original sketch: http://i.imgur.com/llVoU.png where the external heater is in contact with supported Ni nanopowder, and the device operates as a thermal diode, then we have solved two huge conceptual problems: the first being - why do we need applied heat input at all, af

Re: [Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

Jones Beene wrote: If one trusted observer (namely Levi) were to have been given a quick peek > inside the original device, back in January > 1. It was not a "quick peek." Who told you it was quick? 2. Others saw it too. 3. What difference does it make whether it was January, February, March o

Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

Jones Beene wrote: So when did Levi authorize you to speak for him? > That's what he said; take it or leave it. When did you look inside the machine? > The results in February cannot be trusted because of incorrect thermocouple > placement. > That can't be. A 5 deg C temperature difference

Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > I'm steamed. Don't be steamed, be steam punked. Steam power is seeing a renaissance today even without Rossi. Here are several steam punked devices including a steam powered PC: http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mods/mul

RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

> Jones sez: > > ... > > > I know, it is too bizarre to mention in polite company, but where is the > > sanity in a great society like our own that pays out millions for a stupid > > horse race, or an illiterate baseball star, and yet cannot support basic > R&D > > in this vitally important field

RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

Jones sez: ... > I know, it is too bizarre to mention in polite company, but where is the > sanity in a great society like our own that pays out millions for a stupid > horse race, or an illiterate baseball star, and yet cannot support basic R&D > in this vitally important field This technol

[Vo]:Only one size E-Cat?

One further point - the dimensions of the "bulge only" on the smallest device - the one with the ruler scale as seen in the images indicate the bulge is 7 cm in length and about the same 7 cm in diameter or ~260 cc in volume, maybe more. That is without the long flanges. If one trusted observe

RE: [Vo]:Thermal diode

OK - Not sure exactly how (or if) - this paper can be related to the Rossi device, which was why I sent it alone - but there is a vague notion that what Hagelstein has labeled "weakly n-type bulk layer" could be the Rossi "supported nickel nanopowder" filled with spillover H - to make it semiconduc

Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

Hello Jed Do you know if there is a independent report about the flow test in February in which the water was not heated to the boilingpoint? Peter - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Supe

RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

So when did Levi authorize you to speak for him? After all, Levi is no longer independent, and is apparently Rossi's top technical advisor. Plus, he has every incentive to be disingenuous on this point - since he does not want to be blamed for the gross measurement error. The results in Fe

RE: [Vo]:Thermal diode

Jones http://www.rle.mit.edu/media/pr147/33.pdf Is there such a beast as an "electrothermal diode"? Woah! If thermal diodes exist, wouldn't the little buggers violate the laws of thermodynamics? Seems to me it would be Kinda like finding a convenient Maxewll Demon mechanism. Wouldn't thermal dio

Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Mark Iverson wrote: > Do we have any idea on what kinds of voltages the heaters are being subjected > to??? Assuming no transforming of the mains, only rectification, the peak voltage would 2^-2 x 230 or ~325 V. T

Re: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

Jones Beene wrote: > Everything seen so far – when exposed looks nearly identical, and the only > reason to suggest that there ever was a larger model is for Rossi to hide > the fact that the results of the January test (Focardi tribute) were wet > steam and three times more than actual. > Ever

[Vo]:Relativistic Casimir Cavities

Scott, Nice post but you assigned the "hydrino theory" to Haisch and Moddel - I made the same error early on and was taken to task by both Professor Moddel and Dr Haisch- they use noble gas, much larger - weaker .1u geometry and no chemistry based on a theory they call "Lamb Pinch".

RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

From: Axil Axil * The Principle of operation: (the secret process that makes the Cat-E go) between the small 2.5 kw reactor in which the band heater is used and the 10 kw Cat-E in which only the internal heater is used is the same. There is no evidence for that at all. If anything, lo

RE: [Vo]:RE: Supersizing the BJT

More like 6 minutes than 6 months - for nanopowder degradation from current flow -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com >As I understand the dynamics of this situation, one cannot pass a current >through a nanopowder without promoting instant agglomeration - which over >time p