Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > > This argument applies to all other neutron creation ideas brought up in > this thread - ie. cosmic rays, stray gammas, nanoantennas etc. While these > mechanisms are probable, it just is not occuring at the correct rates to > explain the phen

Re: [Vo]:The many worlds of charge screening

2012-06-10 Thread Jojo Jaro
Excellent series of posts Axil. Till now, I still thought of electrons as particles that flow along the nanotubes. I could not get a handle on how a nanotube would force a one-dimensional flow and how charge could accumulate on the nanotube. Your posts made it clear. Thank you. Now a quest

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Axil Axil
*However, I think you identified an important problem - electromagnetically coupled charged particles can behave in very strange counterintuitive ways. Common sense may be failing us and leading us astray in LENR. * See my posts under the many worlds of charge screening. On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11

Re: [Vo]:The many worlds of charge screening

2012-06-10 Thread Axil Axil
The one dimensional world has its own unique rules and ways of acting. The three dimensional world of charge screening that we described in my last post has absolutely nothing in common with the one dimensional world we look at now. We will now fall down the hard to understand rabbit hole of quantu

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread pagnucco
Excellent questions. I will try to find some good references. But, I think only masochists try to understand magnetism. Dave Roberson wrote: > > What happens if you assume a frame of reference that is at the same > velocity as the moving electrons? No relative motion exists under that > conditio

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread pagnucco
Jaro, Of course all explanations should be considered with suspicion when rare (possibly imaginary), counterintuitive LENR events occur. It is relatively easy to contrive more mechanical examples in 3-d, say with balls coupled with elastic springs impacting a randomly placed obstacle. However, I

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Jojo Jaro
Yes, Lou's freight train analogy is nice, unfortunately, it is not a very accurate analogy. In the train example, we expect the energy of the 100 cars behind the lead car to impart all its energy to the lead car. This only becomes true when the lead car can "absorb", "Store" and "concentrate"

Re: [Vo]:Another strange effect

2012-06-10 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM, wrote: > In reply to  Guenter Wildgruber's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:04:57 +0100 > (BST): > Hi, > [snip] > > Piezoelectric effects could also create EM radiation that might affect the > electronics of the detectors. The two kinds of dectors work differently,

Re: [Vo]:Another strange effect

2012-06-10 Thread mixent
In reply to Guenter Wildgruber's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:04:57 +0100 (BST): Hi, [snip] Piezoelectric effects could also create EM radiation that might affect the electronics of the detectors. >is making the rounds: >"Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks" >( A. Carpinteri • G. Lacidogn

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread David Roberson
What happens if you assume a frame of reference that is at the same velocity as the moving electrons? No relative motion exists under that condition to allow coupling. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jun 10, 2012 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ed Stor

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread David Roberson
I have been attempting to understand how the many electrons couple together to allow one to achieve the .78 MeV energy. Does this mechanism behave in a manner that is substantially different than normal where an electron is subject to motion due to an electric field? I picture myself riding u

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: > Suppose you have a crack that serves as an antenna, along the lines Lou > has suggested. Now add a soup of free electrons in the vicinity of the > crack (a plasmon). Now bring in a cosmic ray or a gamma ray from an > earlier event. The high-energy incoming photon does something funn

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Axil, very interesting! Boiling this down to its essence, it means that we can exploit the intrinsic features of nature by forcing them into carbon-monolayers, onedimensional structures plus quantum-computers, which compute the Doug Adams number. Ultimatley we trim down the second law to slight

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Axil Axil
In the quantum world of the crack, one concept that needs a place at the table is Luttinger liquids. This concept has recently been established as a fundamental paradigm vital to our understanding of the properties of one-dimensional quantum systems, which has only recently led to a number of theo

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: > > Ed calculates that the energy of formation for a neutron is 0.76MeV. This > energy must be concentrated from a "sea" of energy less than 0.1 eV. > Not necessarily. That's only one of several approaches. Suppose you have a crack that serves

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:59 AM, wrote: > > Surface plasmons provide good examples of coherent charge currents. > The electric field can also provide analogous coupling. > > A mechanical analog > > - One uncoupled freight train car traveling 50 km/h cannot climb a 10m hill > - but the lead car

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread pagnucco
Fair questions, Jaro, Yes, there is a 782 Kev barrier to overcome. Maybe I misunderstand the objection, but why is "0.1 ev" relevant? Google "superfocusing nanoantenna plasmon" - aren't the electrons in fields of nanostructure hotspots vastly more energetic than that? Your starting baseline and

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY-cont.

2012-06-10 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
thanks, Jed, for the correction, because this is such an important issue, maybe you can clarify from Your point of view, why the replications failed. I have not been near the Max Planck Institute of Plasmaphysics  in the 90s, but as far as I can remember, they tried to replicate and failed. Th

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread pagnucco
Hello Jaro, First, I am not proposing anyone's theory. I am citing classical physics analogs to W-L theory that look supportive. Since I don't know Ahern's theory, I can't comment on it. I'm not sure why you think the 2nd law is violated. Concentrating energy can be done in many ways - with anten

Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms' new Theory/Model

2012-06-10 Thread Jojo Jaro
Just to add to my earlier thought. Ed calculates that the energy of formation for a neutron is 0.76MeV. This energy must be concentrated from a "sea" of energy less than 0.1 eV. What mechanism will accumulate energy over 7,000,000 times its concentration, and concentrate it on one location t

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY-cont.

2012-06-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Guenter Wildgruber wrote: > As far as memory serves, the Pons/Fleischmann Pd-material has been > delivered by an italian manufacturer, who had a very peculiar way of > processing the material. > Because P/F were not aware of that, they did not disclose it as relevant. > So also did not the repli

[Vo]:Ed Storms' answers, new questions

2012-06-10 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, In the spirit of collegiality and in accordance ith the developing traditions of the Internet, Ed Storms has answered my quetions: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/06/ed-storms-answers-to-5-questions.html Motivated by my insatiable curiosity and by my dedication to LENR I have

[Vo]:Another strange effect

2012-06-10 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
is making the rounds: "Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks" ( A. Carpinteri • G. Lacidogna • A. Manuello • O. Borla) http://theatomunexplored.com/wp-content/docs/Carpinteri_Rock_Mech_Eng.pdf ... Abstract:  Neutron emission measurements, by means of He3 devices and bubble detectors, were perfo

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY-cont.

2012-06-10 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Abd Ul, Peter, this is a very enlightening discussion. let me comment on some issues, where I hopefully can contribute something of value. Let me concentrate on one. 'reliability' Abd Ul says. > A complete theory will include explanation of the variability (which you call "the re

Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof

2012-06-10 Thread Alain Sepeda
on one side it is annoying and frightening. but in a way, for business there is no reason, and many reasons against, to do independet testing before the product is manufactured. so the behavior of Rossi and Defkalion is more frightening because they communicate, which is irrational, than because