Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 15:26:56 -0700: Hi Jones, What do you make of the following message from the archives? http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg90378.html >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com > >>Well, there is also a possible

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

I wish you'd believe me he did not get the result in that way. :) Oh, well, what can I do! That's life! Beggars are not choosers! Hehe! But did I learn a lot of physics and I will always be thankful, despite whatever the outcome of this story is! 2014-05-16 22:49 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > [i

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Daniel Rocha wrote: > Come on Jed. So Kim is also naive? > Yes, unfortunately, he is, in my opinion. This is not the first time he accepted a result without careful consideration, and without sufficient proof. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Well, I must admit, Cyclone is only slightly naive, but still... 2014-05-16 21:59 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > > Come on Jed. So Kim is also naive? Is Cyclone also naive? > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Come on Jed. So Kim is also naive? Is Cyclone also naive? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Daniel Rocha wrote: There is nothing abnormal here. Before signing a contract, they'd better > certify that what DGT had was legit. Or just don't sign. > I agree! I wouldn't have signed. Or, as I said, when Gamberale was in Vancouver he should have test the flow rate. You said even a plumber

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

He never took part after this incident. 2014-05-16 19:14 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha : > There is nothing abnormal here. Before signing a contract, they'd better > certify that what DGT had was legit. Or just don't sign. You said even a > plumber could do that. So, before signing they were naive and

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

There is nothing abnormal here. Before signing a contract, they'd better certify that what DGT had was legit. Or just don't sign. You said even a plumber could do that. So, before signing they were naive and just got slightly below the level of expertise of a plubler after the signing and just a bi

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

Here's an example of some early-adopter money starting to move into this space. The problem is, it's not available to just anyone, and in particular, they already closed it off for this fund. http://form-d.findthebest.com/l/162985/Lenr-Invest-Fund-I-LLC Lenr-Invest Fund I, LLC, which is in the

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer

In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 17:38:02 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Robin-- > >You stated: >>>Different combinations of spin states show up as excited >states of the nucleus. >Usually these relax to the ground state in short order with emission of a >gamma >ray.<<< BTW, I should have

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer

In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 May 2014 17:38:02 -0700: Hi, Nucleons are little magnets. Different orientations mean differing amounts of magnetic energy, hence different energy states for the nucleus as a whole. Obviously there is one combination of orientations which is less stressed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Daniel Rocha wrote: Right, so they sign a business without even knowing what they were getting > into? Complete transfer of technology? This is full of bull. > How do you know? Did you read the contract? Do you think they could perform industrial development without a complete transfer of the t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Right, so they sign a business without even knowing what they were getting into? Complete transfer of technology? This is full of bull. 2014-05-16 16:11 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > [image: Boxbe] This message is eligible > for Automatic Cleanup! (jedrothw...@gmai

[Vo]:Defkalion Europe (DE) was a joint venture

Daniel Rocha wrote: Where did you get that Defkalion Europe was a joint venture? > The Gamberale report: "In November 2012 an Italian company based in Milan and named Mose srl signed an exclusive contract for the european industrial development of this technology. This contract provides for the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Maybe DGT made a mistake with a hose! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

Cyclone doesn't do CF, they said that on their facebook page. I meant Kim could be with Rossi. 2014-05-16 15:26 GMT-03:00 Kevin O'Malley : > He could have done the same thing with Cyclone. > > >> -- >> Daniel Rocha - RJ >> danieldi...@gmail.com >> > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

I wrote: > I heard from Mike Nelson today, and confirmed that is what it was. "More > extensive tests were needed." DE finally did these extensive tests, and now > we know the facts. > I mean that Mike Nelson said "More extensive tests were needed." Lewan described Nelson's report: "The report

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

The problem is... Y.E. Kim appears to have moved forward on data from Defkalion without verifying that their device works. He could have done the same thing with Cyclone. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > You people know that Kim is doing consulting for CYPW, right? And th

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > We have mentioned this company before, going back several years, which > unfortunately has a similar name as the failed Stirling company and may not > be publicly traded - but there are 3-4 others in ORC (and I am a terrible > stock picker).

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Axil Axil wrote: The right word might be crimination. I don't believe that I am meeting the > spirit of Jed's responces as follows: > > 1. to charge with a crime. > 2. to incriminate. > 3. to censure (something) as criminal: condemn > Franco Cappiello implied they are criminals, or at least that

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Daniel Rocha wrote: The level of competence needed to verify the claimed error is not much > higher than of a plumber. > Not higher at all. Any plumber on earth could have verified it in 10 minutes. That is exactly what plumbers do when they test boilers. You can see that in the forms they fill

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Axil Axil wrote: DGT was producing steam, not 212 water. > They were producing a little steam because there was no water flowing into the cell. > The change of state energy from water to steam was not reflected in the > COP calculations. Yes this is inaccurate, but gross under estimate of the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Judas Iscariot was said to be the brightest of the 12 apostates, but the > least trustworthy. Just the opposite, according to the Gnostic Gospel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

My problem is that I don't know how to short oil. I agree that this would be preferential because it is probably far more liquid and one could wait until the very last minute. For instance, we all know that most of the world is ignoring LENR news. As soon as that independent report is published

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

You people know that Kim is doing consulting for CYPW, right? And that its headquarters are 40min away from Rossi's hom... HQ of Leonardo corporation. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > >> ***Does that mean you think it's a 51% probability that "Rossi is real"? >> > > I don't know if I can quantify the feeling with so much precision. > ***I understand. In inductive

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

The right word might be crimination. I don't believe that I am meeting the spirit of Jed's responces as follows: 1. to charge with a crime. 2. to incriminate. 3. to censure (something) as criminal: condemn On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > > > Jed, you are whipping yourselfer into a frenzy of [recrimination]. > Pot, meet kettle.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

*Judas Iscariot* was said to be the brightest of the 12 apostates, but the least trustworthy. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >"Gamberale has a PhD in theoretical high energy physics from the > University of Milan, and at the Milan based Pirelli Labs he has further > de

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

The level of competence needed to verify the claimed error is not much higher than of a plumber. But, you don't know the staff of DGT to make such claim. 2014-05-16 13:07 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene : > Gamberale’s level of competence surpasses the entire staff of DGT by > an order of magnitude. >

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

"Gamberale has a PhD in theoretical high energy physics from the University of Milan, and at the Milan based Pirelli Labs he has further developed the theoretical work in coherent electrodynamics by his countryman, late Dr. Giuliano Preparata. Among his experimental work he has been assessing th

Re: [Vo]:Breakthrough paper on the Aharonov-Bohm effect published

Mark-- Your noted the following: The individual oscillators WANT to be at their fundamental frequencies, but quanta of heat energy are being absorbed and emitted constantly, so none of your neighboring atoms/electrons are ever in sync with yours. I think that most infra red rad

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Recombination shoud read Recrimination. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > DGT was producing steam, not 212 water. The change of state energy from > water to steam was not reflected in the COP calculations. Yes this is > inaccurate, but gross under estimate of the COP. I am de

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

DGT was producing steam, not 212 water. The change of state energy from water to steam was not reflected in the COP calculations. Yes this is inaccurate, but gross under estimate of the COP. I am depending on memory, correct me if I have erred. Jed, you are whipping yourselfer into a frenzy of rec

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

The best part it is that the whole story is out there on the intertubes, for anyone to see! But, it is coded speech, so you won't find it. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

My version of the story is completely different, but involves 2 controversial people. I hope you did not get the information from them! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

If you remember, John H said that in the !CCF-18 demo, the output of reactor was steam but was reckoned as if it was 212 degree water to establish a minimum COP level. Is this what is bothering you (Jed) now? It might have been better if DGT used a collapsible 1000 gallon solar water tank as a he

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

Daniel Rocha wrote: The method was used established a low bound, that COP would be at least >1. > You are like asking me when I will stop beating my wife. > This "method" cannot measure the difference between a flow rate of 1 liter per minute and zero!!! The lower bound was zero. NOTHING. This

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Axil Axil wrote: I judge the MIT conference that DGT pulled out of as a sign of disgust with > the powers that be in the LENR field and the first step at going dark to > them for DGT. > They pulled out because they knew this scandal would soon break. They knew the jig was up. I knew it too. I h

RE: [Vo]:Symphony7 Reactor

Ron, Although I remain skeptical about the claims I do wonder if the electrolytic nature of the reactor may provide negative feedback to the reaction such that the hydrogen population is self limiting [since they are claiming most of the population is being self produced]which would allow them

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Axil Axil wrote: I am referring to the documents and presentations produced by Dr. Kim with > DGT for ICCF conferences. Have you read any of them? > Kim based his statements on data from Defkalion, showing excess heat. That data was completely wrong. It was either a mistake or fraud. I am pretty

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

I judge the MIT conference that DGT pulled out of as a sign of disgust with the powers that be in the LENR field and the first step at going dark to them for DGT. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > I am referring to the documents and presentations produced by Dr. Kim with > DG

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

The method was used established a low bound, that COP would be at least >1. You are like asking me when I will stop beating my wife. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

Daniel Rocha wrote: This interviewed and Gamberelli are related. > I do not see any relevance. Anyway, Defkalion president Xanthoulis is not related to either of these people, and he stated clearly that the flow rate was wrong and the flow calorimetry was wrong. If you do not believe the preside

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

I am referring to the documents and presentations produced by Dr. Kim with DGT for ICCF conferences. Have you read any of them? Does Rossi produce like data? On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dam

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Where did you get that Defkalion Europe was a joint venture? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Axil Axil wrote: Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to come > by. > Yes, because Defkalion refused to publish anything. Now that Gamberale has published and Xanthoulis, the president of Defkalion confirmed him, we have all experimental information we need. It is

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Eric Walker wrote: > As has been mentioned, we don't know much about Gamberale. > We do know a lot about him. Lewan has a link to his biography, and he just added this to his blog: "Gamberale has a PhD in theoretical high energy physics from the University of Milan, and at the Milan based Pire

Re: [Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

This interviewed and Gamberelli are related. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Article: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end"

This is in Italian but Google does a good job translating it: "Cold fusion: the greek E-cat has come to an end" http://www.nextme.it/scienza/energia/7700-fusione-fredda-intervista-cappiello-defkalion-europe Quotes from Defkalion Europe managing director Franco Cappiello: I would say that we co

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

*our best source of this precious info will be cut off for no good reason. What good does it do for Jed to undercut anyone in this field, especially such a rich source of info.* DGT isn't basing their decisions to release information to the public based on what Jed thinks or has to say on the subj

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

Sorry Jones, this preceding post was not meant for you, it was miss-posted. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to > come by. With the negativity toward DGT shown by much of the LENR elite, > our best source of

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to come by. With the negativity toward DGT shown by much of the LENR elite, our best source of this precious info will be cut off for no good reason. What good does it do for Jed to undercut anyone in this field, especially such a

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

Experimental information describing the Ni/H reactor is dammed hard to come by. With the negativity toward DGT shown by much of the LENR elite, our best source of this precious info will be cut off for no good reason. What good does it do for Jed to undercut anyone in this field, especially such a

RE: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

From: Kevin O'Malley …And my question hasn't really been answered -- If Rossi is determined to be "real", wouldn't a stock like CYPW take off? Are there other public stocks that would skyrocket? Any "steam engine" stocks? I think that this is a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

I haven't made up my mind one way or another, I want DGT to succeed as I've always had a certain amount of belief in them despite their shortcomings, but in regards to labeling Jed as biased, couldn't the same be said of you? I.e. that it's comforting to think Gamberale is unfairly attacking and tr

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > ***Does that mean you think it's a 51% probability that "Rossi is real"? > I don't know if I can quantify the feeling with so much precision. I'm on the fence about the underlying premises of prediction markets. Perhaps a feeling that t