Re: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-09 Thread Czeslaw Liebert
i agree that using the same color for the links and the headlines is confusing ( i tried to click on the headline when i saw the "read more" link) when clicking on a link in the drop-down menu for the first time the links slide a bit (a few pixels) to left; looks like you have to re-look your cs

[WSG] First Wellington WSG meeting

2004-12-09 Thread Mike Brown
ok, so I'm so not a blogger! But my first attempt - a very brief rundown of the Wellington meeting - is here: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/18.htm It was a great meeting. We had close to 40 show up and there's a lot of interest in the group and getting it working well next ye

Re: [WSG] question about multiple stylesheets

2004-12-09 Thread Terrence Wood
No, you do not have to declare the body font size again. Relative font sizes are relative to the parent element. In your case is the parent of #side-bar. And so your sidebar text will be 0.9ems of 85% of the browsers default text. CSS rules are applied one after the other as they appear in the

[WSG] question about multiple stylesheets

2004-12-09 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi everyone Could someone please enlighten me. I have a situation where I have 5 style sheets imported by a main style sheet (it was getting way too complicated so I decided to split of specific areas into their own stylesheet) In my main style sheet I have set my font in the body tag, e.g. 85%

[WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-09 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Why do you let 8-year-old browser to stop you from making good pages? I bet that 90% of Netscape 4 users are bored webmasters ;) Whenever some good solution is mentioned hearing "but Netscape 4 doesn't support this" is unavoidable. I agree that webpages should be accessible to all - they should

Re: [WSG] Maguire v SOCOG confusion

2004-12-09 Thread Jackie Reid
thanks Patrick that'll teach me for just stopping and going "doh..what are they talking about!!" Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Jackie Reid wrote: > The commission responded: > "Wrapping in each cell can be met by using a simple device namely the > inclusion of an invisible end-of-cell character whi

Re: [WSG] Maguire v SOCOG confusion

2004-12-09 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jackie Reid wrote: > The commission responded: > "Wrapping in each cell can be met by using a simple device namely the > inclusion of an invisible end-of-cell character which would indicate to > a blind person the end of the text in each cell." > > They then say: > It is not clear what the HREOC me

[WSG] Maguire v SOCOG confusion

2004-12-09 Thread Jackie Reid
Hey list... I am just reading an article maguire v socog here http://www.contenu.nu/socog.html* *and can't understand this bit that talks about the accessibility of tables... In response to socogs claim that: "The tables of results will contain “wrapped text within cells.” The commission respond

[WSG] IE-Specific Element Border Anomaly

2004-12-09 Thread Mike Pepper
Here's an odd IE CSS one that's got me stumped. I've rebuilt the dropdown menus on a site: http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/ in pure CSS (except for IE, where there's a JS DOM tickle loaded up in an IE-specific behaviour call conditional stylesheet). Fine. After much cussing and Jack Daniel's

RE: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Brett Walsh
http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html have you had a look at this? All css, no preload. Might be what your looking for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Kruse Sent: Friday, 10 December 2004 6:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] S

Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Felix Miata
Tom Livingston wrote: > Again, I'm not debating the use of js, just wondering why people would > turn it off. It's a common defense against ubiquitous bad web page behavior. Too often, script is a substitute for something that would work perfectly well with standard HTML & CSS and that in nearly

Re: [WSG] Float Issue

2004-12-09 Thread berry
You have a syntax error in your script Netscape don't understand

[WSG] RE: text-align problem.

2004-12-09 Thread Joshua Leung
thanks Paul, I forgot momentarily about definition lists! heheh Rob: display: block didn't work that smoothly, but thanks mate .. Damn there is so much to take in while learning CSS and sticking to standards! Worth it thou.. - Josh - [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -Original Message- From: [

Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Terrence Wood
I turn off some js all the time, all of it sometimes, and often surf with a text only browser. I use Firefox as my primary browser, I turn off aspects of javascript by default: mostly to do with window manipulation (open, move,resize, raise/lower, focus), and status bar messages. and I selectiv

Re: [WSG] text-align problem.

2004-12-09 Thread Rob Mientjes
How about display:blocking the anchors and then floating them to the right? On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:26:53 +1100, Joshua Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Morning people. > > I'm having problems justifying some text in a simple manner, could anyone > help? > > I want to change. > > this: >

Re: [WSG] text-align problem.

2004-12-09 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:26 PM 12/9/04, Joshua Leung wrote: By Email: Administration: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Projects: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Services: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Nicholson:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Director I'd try a definition list: Administration: [E

Re: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT

2004-12-09 Thread Lindsay Evans
Hi Jonathan, On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:43:28 -0500, Jonathan T. Sage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone has any information on how to fix #2, I'd also love to hear > it. Hope this proves to be a good read! Try removing the CDATA delimeters & adding the XHTML namespace to the BODYTEXT element: ht

[WSG] Float Issue

2004-12-09 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, the following layout url works locally in firefox, mozilla, ie 5 mac even. When uploaded to a server, the right column, secondary, is atop main. The isp is not to blame, the site was tested out of the subdomain so the scripts are not broken. This is not a .php question, the question is wit

RE: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT

2004-12-09 Thread Ted Drake
What is the cms that you are trying? Is it mosxml? I've been looking into that one and would be interested in your opinion. I haven't gotten it to work but I think the product looks promising. Jonathan T. Sage wrote: >Since this list is standards based, and I've yet to see any real >writeup a

Re: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT

2004-12-09 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Most XSLT users process data server-side and then send the result of the transformation to the client. This is a safer approach than sending XML and XSLT to the client. Yeah, this is absolutely right. The typical xml publishing flow looks something like this, [xml source (docbook/openoffice/xh

[WSG] text-align problem.

2004-12-09 Thread Joshua Leung
Morning people. I'm having problems justifying some text in a simple manner, could anyone help? I want to change. this: - By Email: Administration: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Projects: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Services: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Nicholson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M

Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Kim Kruse
Ron, Thank you very very much. Kim Pringle, Ron wrote: Now I've looked at the samples and it seem it can't be done without having some kind of text as the link and they want to use their own font on the imgs. (I know... but they pay me and I do what they want... almost) So can the same effect

Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Tom Livingston
Hi all, I have a slightly related question, and hopefully asking it will not dissolve into something a list mom will have to stomp on... so, here goes... Just out of curiosity, why are some people turning javascript off? I have heard on lists that some see it as a security risk, but I have neve

RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-09 Thread Paul Farrell
> -still debugging for firefox, anybody want offer up fixes? I presume you have the site looking/working how you want it in another browser (IE at a guess) ? I think you will find it easier (and less frustrating) if you develop for Firefox then debug other/lesser browsers. Just a tip that has pro

RE: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Pringle, Ron
> Now I've looked at the samples and it seem it can't be done without > having some kind of text as the link and they want to use > their own font > on the imgs. (I know... but they pay me and I do what they > want... almost) > > So can the same effect as a javascript img swap possible > usin

RE: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Pringle, Ron
> Now I've looked at the samples and it seem it can't be done without > having some kind of text as the link and they want to use > their own font > on the imgs. (I know... but they pay me and I do what they > want... almost) > > So can the same effect as a javascript img swap possible > usin

Re: [WSG] Experimentations in XSLT

2004-12-09 Thread XStandard
Hi Jonathan, Most XSLT users process data server-side and then send the result of the transformation to the client. This is a safer approach than sending XML and XSLT to the client. XSLT is a wonderful technology. A while back we did some XML and XSLT training for the Canadian government. For

Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Ben Curtis
Now I've looked at the samples and it seem it can't be done without having some kind of text as the link and they want to use their own font on the imgs. (I know... but they pay me and I do what they want... almost) So can the same effect as a javascript img swap possible using CSS only? At

Re: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-09 Thread Paul Novitski
At 10:19 AM 12/9/04, Sam Hutchinson wrote: ...I can take it because I value the opions of users of this list :) http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/PRE%20VALIDATION.htm Sam, Action Transport looks like a great project! Here are some very quick comments: I suggest making the left-hand thumbnail

Re: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-09 Thread haggis
Hello Sam; It would be a really good idea to validate your document first. There are 44 errors in your markup including a second "doctype" with an "xml" declaration! Fix those and I'll bet most of your problems will go away ... :o) HTH's ... Bill. William Haggerty VWH Web Services http://vwh.ca

Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

2004-12-09 Thread Kim Kruse
Now I've looked at the samples and it seem it can't be done without having some kind of text as the link and they want to use their own font on the imgs. (I know... but they pay me and I do what they want... almost) So can the same effect as a javascript img swap possible using CSS only? Thanks

[WSG] Experimentations in XSLT

2004-12-09 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
Good afternoon Recently, after the pursuit of a site that does conform to XHTML 1.1 and CSS2, I became very interested in the XSL/XSLT language, since my site has a XML CMS back end already. I began to look at ways to cut out the PHP step. My experimentations have proved to be very interesting,

RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-09 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Sam I couldn't tell if the disjointed, oddly overlapping elements were intentional or not. It looks like you have a conflict in your width or margins which make the banner on the right drop below the content on the left. The scattered links on the right look like something is supposed to hap

[WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-09 Thread Sam Hutchinson
...I can take it because I value the opions of users of this list :) So do your best (/worst) *awkward grimace* Hello again all, Been beavering away on a new site: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/PRE%20VALIDATION.htm -still debugging for firefox, anybody want offer up fixes? -real reason

Re: [WSG] Best approach

2004-12-09 Thread Kim Kruse
Thanks all... should keep me busy tonight :) Kim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG] XHTML and Forums - A Red Rag and the Bull

2004-12-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Steven Clark wrote: Agree or not its a common event nowdays to be accosted by some one-issue madman or another over some standards related issue, not all of them in proper perspective either. I saw one of the threads to which you were referring at webdeveloper.com. I think you would have been b

Re: [WSG] Best approach

2004-12-09 Thread Leslie Riggs
Right, what Bennie said. Here's an example, I think, of what you were looking for, done using CSS: http://www.adaptivepath.com/ There is a row of small face pictures on the left side, below "in-house training" that seems to do what you want. It's a simple matter of setting a background image

Re: [WSG] Best approach

2004-12-09 Thread Martin Heiden
Hi! Am Donnerstag, 9. Dezember 2004 um 17:26:33 haben Sie geschrieben: KK> I made a quick sample without the img swap thingy KK> http://www.mouseriders.dk/esrum/index.htm but they insist on the img KK> swap. So now I'm wondering which approach would be best using css and no KK> javascript getting

Re: [WSG] Best approach

2004-12-09 Thread Bennie Shepherd
Why not use css for the image swap... On 12/9/2004 11:26:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I'm doing a "template" for a organization and the want a entry page from > where people can select which page they want. > My problem is they want something like this > http://www.esrum.dk/ny_web/esru

[WSG] Best approach

2004-12-09 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi, I'm doing a "template" for a organization and the want a entry page from where people can select which page they want. My problem is they want something like this http://www.esrum.dk/ny_web/esrum_forside.htm and they insist on having "rollover" effect for the images (image swap). Next proble

Re: [WSG] pasting with line feed in mozilla input form

2004-12-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Leigh Morresi wrote: copies some text into [a text box from the] clipboard/buffer than contains a \n or \r (line feed or return carriage)...the result is that the user only see's the last line of the text they pasted in. any ideas? ive tried using javascript to catch the event and strip out the \

Re: [WSG] Table-less site not displaying in Mac IE?

2004-12-09 Thread Will Jensen
Don't see any problems here using Powerbook 17 with IE 5 on 10,3,6. problem is elsewhere - perhaps a connection - time of day, etc. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 9, 2004, at 3:52 PM, Bert Doorn wrote: I'm stumped on this one (partly because I can't see the problem myself as

Re: [WSG] Table-less site not displaying in Mac IE?

2004-12-09 Thread patrik breitenmoser
hi, it looks ok on ie osx. i made a screenshot so you can see yourself http://www.digitalsushi.ch/screenshot.jpg greetings patirk breitenmoser Am 09.12.2004 um 14:36 schrieb Marilyn Langfeld: Looks fine here, OSX 10.3.5 on a TiPowerbook. Yes, OS 10 is the same as OSX. One of those *great* ma

Re: [WSG] Table-less site not displaying in Mac IE?

2004-12-09 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
Looks fine here, OSX 10.3.5 on a TiPowerbook. Yes, OS 10 is the same as OSX. One of those *great* marketing ideas! Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.301.598.3300 business phone +1.301.598.0532 fax +1.202.390.8847 mobile On Dec 9, 2004, at 7:52 AM,

[WSG] Table-less site not displaying in Mac IE?

2004-12-09 Thread Bert Doorn
I'm stumped on this one (partly because I can't see the problem myself as I don't have a Mac and can't afford one) www.naturalhealthacademy.edu.au is valid xhtml1.0 strict with valid css. It looks fine in MSIE6, Firefox 1.0 and Opera 7.54 (on PC). Also appears to be fine on Safari (per Dan Vine'

RE: [WSG] alt or title...

2004-12-09 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:42:58 +0800, Bert Doorn wrote: > Should do: > From http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html: > Title: >All elements but BASE, BASEFONT, HEAD, HTML, META, PARAM, SCRIPT, TITLE Fair enough - I had an idea that title didn't apply to img, but if thats the case then