RE: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
Ive been on 313 for 1 day, I first subbed in about 94, but left after 3 years because of these endless threads which don't belong here (not on this scale). So do I unsub again after 1 Day?!! Id rather not! Come on. Drop it. Steve Taylor yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit here and have someone preach that it doesn't..everything you do is political on some level -kathleen = Original Message From tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = george...you couldn't have said it better. it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. when i was 16 id sneak out of home and disappear down to london for the weekend..spend all the money i had...just to listen to techno in some dingy warehouse...or id be spending all saturday night running through the hiddle of but-f**k nowhere, chased by the cops, to try and find an illegal sound system somewhere... and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah..they were black, asian, white, male, female, rich kids, ghetto kids, straight, gay, disabled...but no one cared. no one said anything. why? cos only one thing mattered: techno. on 3/4/01 3:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try something folks: 1. Pick you favorite piece of Techno. 2. Pop it in the CD player/turntable/tape deck or whatever. 3. Put your headphones on. 4. Sit down, relax. Press Play and close your eyes. When the track is done, open your eyes and hit stop. Answer this question: At any time while you were listening to that piece of music, did you think about it's creator's race? No. Because it doesn't matter. Must we dwell on such superficial things like skin color? When you're in that sweat box, standing in front of the speakers, listening to the dj spin, moving your body to a 4/4 beat, in a circle checking out the break dancers, in the chill out room, does it matter? When you've taken one too many pills, and the medics come, and the doctors in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her race make a difference? Remember when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color. You played with everyone; did it matter then? Didn't think so. Why does it matter now? TIMOTHY JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well as the internet is a beauty in life that sees thru the colors and blends the culture. Let's concentrate on the good things: music, uninhibited conversation, fine foods, comfort, and did Imention music? Yeah techno music--my personal favorite. Peace! WRAITH313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real, don't let the real keep you- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
--- kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit here and have someone preach that it doesn't..everything you do is political on some level What is your point? Are you saying that showing the differences between black and white is gonna help that? I don't understand, how does harping on about race issues stop skinheads from beating people up? Nick... __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
i hope you don't think i was preaching...because thats the last thing i was trying to do. i understand where you're coming from...but i don't know what you want us to do. do want all us white kids to leave the list? to stop listening to techno? to pack our vinyl up and send it back to detroit? i hope not. and the weirdest thing is, after working for years as a welfare advisor in one of the most underprivilaged areas of the UK, this is the closest ive ever come to someone accusing me of being racist. and i only came here to talk techno. - Original Message - From: kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit here and have someone preach that it doesn't..everything you do is political on some level -kathleen = Original Message From tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = george...you couldn't have said it better. it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. when i was 16 id sneak out of home and disappear down to london for the weekend..spend all the money i had...just to listen to techno in some dingy warehouse...or id be spending all saturday night running through the hiddle of but-f**k nowhere, chased by the cops, to try and find an illegal sound system somewhere... and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah..they were black, asian, white, male, female, rich kids, ghetto kids, straight, gay, disabled...but no one cared. no one said anything. why? cos only one thing mattered: techno. on 3/4/01 3:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try something folks: 1. Pick you favorite piece of Techno. 2. Pop it in the CD player/turntable/tape deck or whatever. 3. Put your headphones on. 4. Sit down, relax. Press Play and close your eyes. When the track is done, open your eyes and hit stop. Answer this question: At any time while you were listening to that piece of music, did you think about it's creator's race? No. Because it doesn't matter. Must we dwell on such superficial things like skin color? When you're in that sweat box, standing in front of the speakers, listening to the dj spin, moving your body to a 4/4 beat, in a circle checking out the break dancers, in the chill out room, does it matter? When you've taken one too many pills, and the medics come, and the doctors in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her race make a difference? Remember when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color. You played with everyone; did it matter then? Didn't think so. Why does it matter now? TIMOTHY JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well as the internet is a beauty in life that sees thru the colors and blends the culture. Let's concentrate on the good things: music, uninhibited conversation, fine foods, comfort, and did Imention music? Yeah techno music--my personal favorite. Peace! WRAITH313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real, don't let the real keep you- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
I think it needs to be understood here that race matter because that's how most were taught growing up. Earlier I said that as children, everyone was a friend irregardless of race. It's not until later that you are taught that, for one reason or another, it does matter. When you're not exposed to such ignorance, race is no longer an issue. Case in point - The journy to Mecca that every Muslim must take once in their lives. You will pray, learn, eat and drink with people from all walks of life. Your race no longer matters. Allah is all that matters. Kharris - You talk about how you went to parties in Detroit, I'll talk of how I LIVED in Detroit. I went to clubs like Legends, The Warehouse, ect and saw how blacks would come into a predominatly black club and fights broke out. I went to clubs like Tremors, The Edge (in Ypsi), ect and saw how whites would come into a predominatly white club and fights broke out. I saw the cops come and arrest several white kids at a Maxi's on Telegraph and I-96 after 4 or 5 fights broke out in the parking lot (this was back in the summer of '95). I was at the River Rock a couple of years ago and the cops arrested several black kids for fighting. We all act the same, we all do the same bullsh_t, we are all the same. Why try to make a distinction based on color? kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED]@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu on 04/03/2001 11:43:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit here and have someone preach that it doesn't..everything you do is political on some level -kathleen = Original Message From tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = george...you couldn't have said it better. it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. when i was 16 id sneak out of home and disappear down to london for the weekend..spend all the money i had...just to listen to techno in some dingy warehouse...or id be spending all saturday night running through the hiddle of but-f**k nowhere, chased by the cops, to try and find an illegal sound system somewhere... and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah..they were black, asian, white, male, female, rich kids, ghetto kids, straight, gay, disabled...but no one cared. no one said anything. why? cos only one thing mattered: techno. on 3/4/01 3:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try something folks: 1. Pick you favorite piece of Techno. 2. Pop it in the CD player/turntable/tape deck or whatever. 3. Put your headphones on. 4. Sit down, relax. Press Play and close your eyes. When the track is done, open your eyes and hit stop. Answer this question: At any time while you were listening to that piece of music, did you think about it's creator's race? No. Because it doesn't matter. Must we dwell on such superficial things like skin color? When you're in that sweat box, standing in front of the speakers, listening to the dj spin, moving your body to a 4/4 beat, in a circle checking out the break dancers, in the chill out room, does it matter? When you've taken one too many pills, and the medics come, and the doctors in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her race make a difference? Remember when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color. You played with everyone; did it matter then? Didn't think so. Why does it matter now? TIMOTHY JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well as the internet is a beauty in life that sees thru the colors and blends the culture. Let's concentrate on the good things: music, uninhibited conversation, fine foods, comfort, and did Imention music? Yeah techno music--my personal favorite. Peace! WRAITH313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real, don't let the real keep you- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe
FWD: RE: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I think it needs to be understood here that race matter because that's how most were taught growing up. Earlier I said that as children, everyone was a friend irregardless of race. It's not until later that you are taught that, for one reason or another, it does matter. When you're not exposed to such ignorance, race is no longer an issue. studies on race have shown that beginning even at age 4 kids are making judgements based on it (will elaborate details on study in private email) We all act the same, we all do the same bullsh_t, we are all the same. Why try to make a distinction based on color? on an individual level _yes_ (more differences among the sexes then between the sexes etc. etc.) but when you look at it from a sociopolitical standpoint as far as groups and who has advantages/disadvantages yes race does matter..that's all i was saying before..someone had said how he had hung out w/ all these different kinds of people and how they all got along and everything was groovy and i had to challenge that..that's all..i find it _especially_ frustrating in light of recent events here in the US and here at umich (i live in ann arbor currently)..affirmative action rollbacks are have a _drastic_ effect on african american communities (look at college enrollment levels in california before and after the affirmative action laws were rolled back)and now we have the umich law school case..i can't even begin to describe what a horrible impact this case would have if it doesn't eventually get turned over..these mindsets _frighten_ me..they _depress__ me and they leave me _outraged_ when someone tries to assert such naive statements as skin color doesn't matter..and if you grew up around detroit you _know_..you must have been downtown at some point when race relations were very tense... kathleen
Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno
no, they want people who look through a veil of ignorance to shut their traps. i don't pretend to know everything, you shouldn't either. Mike From: tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:59:37 +0100 i hope you don't think i was preaching...because thats the last thing i was trying to do. i understand where you're coming from...but i don't know what you want us to do. do want all us white kids to leave the list? to stop listening to techno? to pack our vinyl up and send it back to detroit? i hope not. and the weirdest thing is, after working for years as a welfare advisor in one of the most underprivilaged areas of the UK, this is the closest ive ever come to someone accusing me of being racist. and i only came here to talk techno. - Original Message - From: kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit here and have someone preach that it doesn't..everything you do is political on some level -kathleen = Original Message From tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = george...you couldn't have said it better. it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. when i was 16 id sneak out of home and disappear down to london for the weekend..spend all the money i had...just to listen to techno in some dingy warehouse...or id be spending all saturday night running through the hiddle of but-f**k nowhere, chased by the cops, to try and find an illegal sound system somewhere... and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah..they were black, asian, white, male, female, rich kids, ghetto kids, straight, gay, disabled...but no one cared. no one said anything. why? cos only one thing mattered: techno. on 3/4/01 3:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try something folks: 1. Pick you favorite piece of Techno. 2. Pop it in the CD player/turntable/tape deck or whatever. 3. Put your headphones on. 4. Sit down, relax. Press Play and close your eyes. When the track is done, open your eyes and hit stop. Answer this question: At any time while you were listening to that piece of music, did you think about it's creator's race? No. Because it doesn't matter. Must we dwell on such superficial things like skin color? When you're in that sweat box, standing in front of the speakers, listening to the dj spin, moving your body to a 4/4 beat, in a circle checking out the break dancers, in the chill out room, does it matter? When you've taken one too many pills, and the medics come, and the doctors in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her race make a difference? Remember when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color. You played with everyone; did it matter then? Didn't think so. Why does it matter now? TIMOTHY JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well as the internet is a beauty in life that sees thru the colors and blends the culture. Let's concentrate on the good things: music, uninhibited conversation, fine foods, comfort, and did Imention music? Yeah techno music--my personal favorite. Peace! WRAITH313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real, don't let the real keep you- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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hi, i originally wrote this message. it seems a little harsh now that i read it again, i apologize Mike From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:16:07 - no, they want people who look through a veil of ignorance to shut their traps. i don't pretend to know everything, you shouldn't either. Mike From: tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:59:37 +0100 i hope you don't think i was preaching...because thats the last thing i was trying to do. i understand where you're coming from...but i don't know what you want us to do. do want all us white kids to leave the list? to stop listening to techno? to pack our vinyl up and send it back to detroit? i hope not. and the weirdest thing is, after working for years as a welfare advisor in one of the most underprivilaged areas of the UK, this is the closest ive ever come to someone accusing me of being racist. and i only came here to talk techno. - Original Message - From: kharris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: [313] FWD: RE: [313] Race and Techno yeah well i grew up hanging out in detroit where racist skins would come to shows and fights would happen and cops would come and i learned at an early age _race does matter_..politics _matter_..if you choose to ignore it, if you choose to not be a force for change that is fine but i won't sit here and have someone preach that it doesn't..everything you do is political on some level -kathleen = Original Message From tim maughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = george...you couldn't have said it better. it really upsets me to watch you all b*tch at each other like this. when i was a kid, techno was a unifying force...well, at least here in the UK. when i was 16 id sneak out of home and disappear down to london for the weekend..spend all the money i had...just to listen to techno in some dingy warehouse...or id be spending all saturday night running through the hiddle of but-f**k nowhere, chased by the cops, to try and find an illegal sound system somewhere... and the poeple i did this with - who i talked, danced, got high, and loved with - weren't ANY color. hey - yeah..they were black, asian, white, male, female, rich kids, ghetto kids, straight, gay, disabled...but no one cared. no one said anything. why? cos only one thing mattered: techno. on 3/4/01 3:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's try something folks: 1. Pick you favorite piece of Techno. 2. Pop it in the CD player/turntable/tape deck or whatever. 3. Put your headphones on. 4. Sit down, relax. Press Play and close your eyes. When the track is done, open your eyes and hit stop. Answer this question: At any time while you were listening to that piece of music, did you think about it's creator's race? No. Because it doesn't matter. Must we dwell on such superficial things like skin color? When you're in that sweat box, standing in front of the speakers, listening to the dj spin, moving your body to a 4/4 beat, in a circle checking out the break dancers, in the chill out room, does it matter? When you've taken one too many pills, and the medics come, and the doctors in the hospital pump your stomache, does his or her race make a difference? Remember when you were 3 or 4? In preschool, your friends are every color. You played with everyone; did it matter then? Didn't think so. Why does it matter now? TIMOTHY JOHNSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 04/03/2001 09:20:08 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] Race and Techno Annoyance Ok let's see past the colors. Obviously it doesn't matter anyways. We can't see what color each other is over the netwaves. That is one of the beauties of the internet. If you ask me, race is not a problem. Sure it would be great if we were all the same color, but we're not. Music as well as the internet is a beauty in life that sees thru the colors and blends the culture. Let's concentrate on the good things: music, uninhibited conversation, fine foods, comfort, and did Imention music? Yeah techno music--my personal favorite. Peace! WRAITH313 www.mp3.com/wraith313 -Keep it real, don't let the real keep you- PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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i originally wrote this message. it seems a little harsh now that i read it again, i apologize Lot of us have been making stupid comments. Including myself (I think I'm probably the worst). I'm really sorry about my stupid comments... I think this shows just what a pointless thread this is... Nick... __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
