[9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
Hi all Is this example from man fossilcons still accurate? srv –p fscons.sources srv –p fscons.sources.adduserd srv sources fsys main config /dev/sdC0/fossil.outside fsys main open –c 25600 fsys main users /active/adm/users listen tcp!*!564 msg –m 40 –p 10 snaptime –a –s 15 I am trying to figure out why I can mount sources, but not my local cpu/auth/fileserver into my mac os x computer. regards fernan -- http://www.fernski.com
Re: [9fans] An Important Node
Yes, I had to do a fair bit of work to get my OfficeJet 5610 working with Plan 9. That topic was taken care of in a separate series of posts a while back. I documented the procedure in my contrib: I recall now: my poor memory should not be taken as a reflection of the value of your efforts and contributions :-) ++L
Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse
Hello, Just one comment about the vertical Evoluent mouse (I bought one a few months ago since Russ recommended them). It can be pretty hard to get used to it. I had to force myself to try it several times before I could stand using it. I think the main reason is because you apply horizontal pressure when clicking and that can make the pointer move unvoluntarily on your part. That gets pretty annoying when it makes you fail at your chordings and you have some code to produce. Now I'm starting to really like it; I'd say one gets past the annoyance if you manage to keep using it for a full day without throwing it away for another mouse. In fact I'd recommend trying it and starting to use it on day when it's not so important to be efficient and you can afford to loose a bit of time to it. Sounds like common sense now, but I think it's particularly true with that mouse. Cheers, Mathieu
Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: snaptime –a –s 15 I would not reccomend -s 15 for now, there appears to be a bug in fossil where it can deadlock itself somtimes - My home server used to lock up once every few weeks, after disabling snapshots it has been fine. I do still do nightly dumps to venti however, that part of the system is absolutely fine. -Steve Thanks, However it seems my problem is not my flproto if I try to mount the plan9 system without using srv -a I will get $ 9 mount thinktank /tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid top level name macfuse in macfuse.version.number is invalid 9pfuse: fsmount: cannot attach as none before authentication if I try to use srv -a I get $ srv -a thinktank !adding key: role=client proto=p9sk1 dom=fernan.net user[fernan]: fernan and it stays there forever. without asking me for my password. Any ideas what I did wrong -- http://www.fernski.com
Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
is auth negotiation supported in p9p? On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: snaptime –a –s 15 I would not reccomend -s 15 for now, there appears to be a bug in fossil where it can deadlock itself somtimes - My home server used to lock up once every few weeks, after disabling snapshots it has been fine. I do still do nightly dumps to venti however, that part of the system is absolutely fine. -Steve Thanks, However it seems my problem is not my flproto if I try to mount the plan9 system without using srv -a I will get $ 9 mount thinktank /tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid top level name macfuse in macfuse.version.number is invalid 9pfuse: fsmount: cannot attach as none before authentication if I try to use srv -a I get $ srv -a thinktank !adding key: role=client proto=p9sk1 dom=fernan.net user[fernan]: fernan and it stays there forever. without asking me for my password. Any ideas what I did wrong -- http://www.fernski.com
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Tue May 4 16:00:50 EDT 2010, jonas.amo...@home.se wrote: I am thinking of the durability of the URL:s for the various IWP9 articles. if www.iwp9.org will be reused for further hosting, a subdirectory (as in 'papers/4e/') might be a good idea.I suppose that some domain bloat is hard to avoid, when things are so decentralised ;-) i've made everything from iwp9 4e available at http://4e.iwp9.org. none of the relative urls have changed; they would be the preferred links. no firm decision yet on if old links will need to be broken to allow iwp9.org to be the current iwp9. speaking of which, is there any interest in iwp9 5e? - erik
Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: is auth negotiation supported in p9p? On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: snaptime –a –s 15 I would not reccomend -s 15 for now, there appears to be a bug in fossil where it can deadlock itself somtimes - My home server used to lock up once every few weeks, after disabling snapshots it has been fine. I do still do nightly dumps to venti however, that part of the system is absolutely fine. -Steve Thanks, However it seems my problem is not my flproto if I try to mount the plan9 system without using srv -a I will get $ 9 mount thinktank /tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid top level name macfuse in macfuse.version.number is invalid 9pfuse: fsmount: cannot attach as none before authentication if I try to use srv -a I get $ srv -a thinktank !adding key: role=client proto=p9sk1 dom=fernan.net user[fernan]: fernan and it stays there forever. without asking me for my password. Any ideas what I did wrong I dont know, but what is wrong with my configuration if I can mount sources like unauthenticated... mac0:~ fernan$ srv sources.cs.bell-labs.com sources mac0:~ fernan$ mkdir ./tmp/c mac0:~ fernan$ 9 mount `namespace`/sources ./tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid mac0:~ fernan$ lc ./tmp/c 9grid adm contrib distextra lsr patch plan9 wikixen mac0:~ fernan$ but not my cpu server??? fernan -- http://www.fernski.com
Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
I dont know, but what is wrong with my configuration if I can mount sources like unauthenticated... mac0:~ fernan$ srv sources.cs.bell-labs.com sources mac0:~ fernan$ mkdir ./tmp/c mac0:~ fernan$ 9 mount `namespace`/sources ./tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid mac0:~ fernan$ lc ./tmp/c 9grid adm contrib distextra lsr patch plan9 wikixen mac0:~ fernan$ but not my cpu server??? i'm confused. your previous post had srv -a. i thought unauthenticated was srv -A. you may also need -N. - erik
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On May 6, 2010, at 9:55 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: speaking of which, is there any interest in iwp9 5e? yes
Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:00 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I dont know, but what is wrong with my configuration if I can mount sources like unauthenticated... mac0:~ fernan$ srv sources.cs.bell-labs.com sources mac0:~ fernan$ mkdir ./tmp/c mac0:~ fernan$ 9 mount `namespace`/sources ./tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid mac0:~ fernan$ lc ./tmp/c 9grid adm contrib dist extra lsr patch plan9 wiki xen mac0:~ fernan$ but not my cpu server??? i'm confused. your previous post had srv -a. i thought unauthenticated was srv -A. you may also need -N. - erik sorry for the confusion. I initially tried to mount my cpu server using mac0:~ fernan$ srv thinktank tt mac0:~ fernan$ 9 mount `namespace`/tt ./tmp/g top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid 9pfuse: fsmount: cannot attach as none before authentication man srv yields SYNOPSIS srv [ -an ] [ -k keypattern ] address [ srvname ] The -a option causes srv to post a pre-authenticated connec- tion to the file system aname (by default, the empty string; see attach(9p)). ...which led me to believe I needed to do an pre-authenticated connection, but as Skip pointed might not be possible if p9p is capable of doing authentication. This then led to the question What do I need to do to allow me mount my cpu server the same way as I can mount sources? fernan -- http://www.fernski.com
Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
On Thu May 6 11:31:49 EDT 2010, fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:00 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: I dont know, but what is wrong with my configuration if I can mount sources like unauthenticated... mac0:~ fernan$ srv sources.cs.bell-labs.com sources mac0:~ fernan$ mkdir ./tmp/c mac0:~ fernan$ 9 mount `namespace`/sources ./tmp/c top level name fuse in fuse.version is invalid mac0:~ fernan$ lc ./tmp/c 9grid adm contrib dist extra lsr patch plan9 wiki xen mac0:~ fernan$ but not my cpu server??? i'm confused. your previous post had srv -a. i thought unauthenticated was srv -A. you may also need -N. - erik [...] man srv yields SYNOPSIS srv [ -an ] [ -k keypattern ] address [ srvname ] i see now you were talking about p9p srv(4) not fossilcons(8) srv. sorry. the difference with sources is sources allows attach as none. i think you'll need to enable this with your listen via the fossil console. - erik ps. 9fans.net/archive seems to be having a problem. http://9fans.net/archive/2010/05/151 has turned '-' into u+0096 (start of guarded area). i no longer have the original email, but it appeared normal when i read it.
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
Me too. I thought 4 was great. I keep wanting to have a workshop here: http://www.naturebridge.org/headlands/conference-facilities It's stunning and SF is right over the bridge. This time around we could emphasize hacking more than talks, and let people show us what they've got. Would love to see the disconnected 9p stuff in action, for example. ron
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu May 6 12:01:32 EDT 2010, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I thought 4 was great. I keep wanting to have a workshop here: http://www.naturebridge.org/headlands/conference-facilities It's stunning and SF is right over the bridge. This time around we could emphasize hacking more than talks, and let people show us what they've got. Would love to see the disconnected 9p stuff in action, for example. are you gonna host? - erik
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:01 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: are you gonna host? Actually, the big question to start is: what are people willing to pay? We have a lot of students, for example. IWP9 4 was a bargain. I've had one experience with a workshop priced out of people's ability to reach or pay (coreboot 2008 in denver) and don't want to make that mistake again. I figure Marin Headlands ought to be cheap (dormitory housing!) but very attractive (right at the Golden Gate!). I confess I have not had a workshop here, ever. Do we have some idea of what people can afford? Another option is to have it right in SF, but that again starts to look pricey ($165/night minimum, cheap for you euro-spending guys but ...) Send me a note off-list with what you think is affordable. I'm getting close to being willing to host. ron
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Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Joseph Xu joseph...@gmail.com wrote: I've never tried these (can't justify spending $100) but they look really nice. http://ergo.contourdesign.com/products/product-detail.aspx?id=36 I'll let you know how it works, once I saw it was customized to hand size that made the deal. I love the web ordering site: - no flash - just black and white - not a bunch of pictures - just the information you need, no more Who knew you could run a web site without AJAX? Could this be a trend? ron
Re: [9fans] testing...
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Re: [9fans] sources flproto example still accurate
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Fernan Bolando fernanbola...@mailc.net wrote: ...which led me to believe I needed to do an pre-authenticated connection, but as Skip pointed might not be possible if p9p is capable of doing authentication. I'm pretty sure it is as long as you have the auth server configured and you have factotum running. I don't have my machine up at the moment, but I do have that kind of connection as part of my login script on FreeBSD using p9p. BLS
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
ron minnich wrote: I figure Marin Headlands ought to be cheap (dormitory housing!) but very attractive (right at the Golden Gate!). Cheap indeed! (apologies for the html) Our overnight package includes: * 3 meals per person * 1 meeting room for every 1 night stay * 1-time room set-up * Overnight lodging Group size Weekday*Weekend** 10-25 people$95.00/person $99.00/person 26-75 people$89/person $93/person 76-150 people $87/person $91.50/person Semi-private upgrade http://www.naturebridge.org/headlands/semi-private-rooms (limited): $52/room/night *Weekday overnight accommodations are not available from September to June. **Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are considered weekend days. -- Learn about The Authenticity Economy at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1419344994607129684hl=en#
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
Our overnight package includes: * 3 meals per person * 1 meeting room for every 1 night stay * 1-time room set-up * Overnight lodging Group sizeWeekday*Weekend** 10-25 people $95.00/person $99.00/person 26-75 people $89/person $93/person 76-150 people $87/person $91.50/person 3 meals and room? are they serving porridge? :) *Weekday overnight accommodations are not available from September to June. this will mean peak season airfares and very tight deadline.
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
Let's try something else. how about Seattle? i have looked into conference facilities provided by the Port of Seattle, and they seem reasonably priced. there are several locations, but the least expensive will be the conference rooms at the airport. for 60 or less people a room like the London conference room will be adequate (see the link below). Port of Seattle provides free WiFi at the airport and there's good coverage. There are many hotels within walking distance. The Link Light Rail runs from SeaTac to downtown Seattle (20 hours/day, at least every 15 minutes). if i could get an approximate count i can get a good estimate for cost of facilities + lunch/soft drinks. Port of Seattle conference facilities: http://www.portseattle.org/business/conferencefacilities/airport.shtml London conference room: http://www.portseattle.org/about/maps/conferencelondon.shtml Hotels: http://tinyurl.com/27p4s3b Sound Transit Link Light Rail schedule http://www.soundtransit.org/x11204.xml
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
I would be very interested in attending IWP9, but whatever the location is, it will be probably out of my financial reach, combining travel and accomodations. I think that I'm not the only one in this case: definitively no lack of interest; but lack of means---and lack of vision even for some months ahead. my finances are extremely tight, but I will see if I can somehow squeeze it out regardless. But I too will be straining my financial future scenario visioning. Mail doesn't replace face to face meeting. But even for the ones not attending, the published papers remain! hmmm... I wonder if some sort of video conference could be set up for virtual attendance for those who cannot make it ;-) So thank to the ones having made or undertaking the task to make such events: we will directly or indirectly benefit from them. dito. EBo --
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Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
doesn't the weather get ugly in seattle about that time? ron
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
doesn't the weather get ugly in seattle about that time? pick any two: cheap, pretty, convenient. ☺
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: doesn't the weather get ugly in seattle about that time? pick any two: cheap, pretty, convenient. ☺ I actually like seattle that time of year anyway. Is seattle a one-hop place from Europe? I am sure it is from the important spots on the pacific rim ... this is an interesting suggestion! I do know that there are many surprisingly cheap one-hop flights from paris, frankfurt, etc. to san francisco. ron
Re: [9fans] New user
Sorry, for the long delay to reply and thanks for all the replies. htmlfmt is good enough for now, while i'm still trying to learn the system. I just hope that i'm not causing disturbance here cause i'm really hooked to plan9 now, Today i'm installing it to our computer at work so, i might need some help from time to time. :)
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
Is seattle a one-hop place from Europe? I am sure it is from the important spots on the pacific rim ... this is an interesting suggestion! daily direct flights from/to: Amsterdam, Frankfurt, London, Paris and Reykjavik
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, 6 May 2010 14:21:24 -0700, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: doesn't the weather get ugly in seattle about that time? pick any two: cheap, pretty, convenient. ☺ I do not know about you but when I go to a conference I actually go FOR the conference. If we really wanted pretty we should hold it in conjunction with some university that has both a good computer science department and a fashion department, and then do a Plan9 wearable computer fashion show! I think that would be prettier than staring at this mug (speaking strictly for myself ;-) EBo --
[9fans] wierd kw errata?
i finally got some traction on the plumbing problem
i've been seeing on kw. but now i'm stumped.
perhaps there is something obvious that i am missing.
here's the original problem. this only is observable on kw,
as far as i know:
mkdir /tmp/2.6 cd /tmp acme
b3 on 2.6, directory does not open.
in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:/^look3.c if i add
fn1();
right before Return:, the problem goes away. if i
add
fn0();
the problem remains. the definitions are
void
fn0(void)
{
}
void
fn1(char*)
{
}
i think i've ruled out a timing or proc restore problem
because a call to sleep(100) from fn0 doesn't change
anything.
but this is really a strange problem, since openfile()
should have already run! somehow code run later
seems to change the result.
the assembly in question is (works)
look3+0x2dc 0x0001265c BL openfile
look3+0x2e0 0x00012660 MOVW$#0x471b1,R0
look3+0x2e4 0x00012664 BL fn1
look3+0x2e8 0x00012668 B look3+0x1b0
or (doesn't work)
look3+0x2dc 0x0001265c BL openfile
look3+0x2e0 0x00012660 BL fn0
look3+0x2e4 0x00012664 B look3+0x1b0
ideas?
- erik
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anyone ever used one of the minipci versions of the orinoco cards? PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: doesn't the weather get ugly in seattle about that time? pick any two: cheap, pretty, convenient. ☺ I actually like seattle that time of year anyway. which one did athens, ga fail? - erik
Re: [9fans] New user
Sorry, for the long delay to reply and thanks for all the replies. htmlfmt is good enough for now, while i'm still trying to learn the system. I just hope that i'm not causing disturbance here cause i'm really hooked to plan9 now, Today i'm installing it to our computer at work so, i might need some help from time to time. :) don't worry. we're just cranky enough to let you know. ☺ - erik
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:03 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: which one did athens, ga fail? I think athens won big on cheap and pretty, and I also think we all felt the host (i.e. coraid) was fantastic. It was somewhat inconvenient to get to, and people had to pay the cost of a rental car. I would not object to going there again, however. But it's also nice to be in a city convenient to a different part of the world each year. Seattle and SF are good for our friends on the pacific rim. So the suggestion of non-athens locations should not be taken (at least on my part) as springing from any negative feelings about last year's meeting :-) ron
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu May 6 19:09:36 EDT 2010, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:03 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: which one did athens, ga fail? I think athens won big on cheap and pretty, and I also think we all felt the host (i.e. coraid) was fantastic. It was somewhat inconvenient to get to, and people had to pay the cost of a rental car. I would not object to going there again, however. But it's also nice to be in a city convenient to a different part of the world each year. Seattle and SF are good for our friends on the pacific rim. So the suggestion of non-athens locations should not be taken (at least on my part) as springing from any negative feelings about last year's meeting :-) i was being overly-literal. i agree completely. - erik
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 16:08, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:03 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: which one did athens, ga fail? I think athens won big on cheap and pretty, and I also think we all felt the host (i.e. coraid) was fantastic. It was somewhat inconvenient to get to, and people had to pay the cost of a rental car. I would not object to going there again, however. But it's also nice to be in a city convenient to a different part of the world each year. Seattle and SF are good for our friends on the pacific rim. So the suggestion of non-athens locations should not be taken (at least on my part) as springing from any negative feelings about last year's meeting :-) ron If folks are interested in Los Angeles (West Hollywood), I could host here. Our office has a really nice A/V setup and room to seat 30-40 comfortably. LA isn't attractive because everything is spread out. However, there are reasonable and inexpensive accommodations within walking distance. And LA also has the advantage of an easy-to-reach from abroad airport. Of course, it's not exactly pretty here. ;-) -- Christopher Nielsen They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots tyrants. --Thomas Jefferson
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:03 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: which one did athens, ga fail? I think athens won big on cheap and pretty, and I also think we all felt the host (i.e. coraid) was fantastic. It was somewhat inconvenient to get to, and people had to pay the cost of a rental car. i believe it had the best combination for a US location. conference, accommodation, hang out places and entertainment all within walking distance to each other, priced very reasonably. I would not object to going there again, however. But it's also nice to be in a city convenient to a different part of the world each year. Seattle and SF are good for our friends on the pacific rim. well, it was not that far away from a very busy international airport with convenient shuttles (except for you ron, who got in pretty late). having seen many places in US (conference towns like Vegas, pretty cities like SF, Boston etc), Athens imo provided the best combination of everything for a 'non-sponsored' conference (and a terrific host). balaji
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
which one did athens, ga fail? i wasn't trying to be disparaging toward past venues. i would guess if there was any, it would be convenience of getting there/back.
[9fans] netif headersonly
this option is currently unused by anything in /sys/src. does it make sense to maintain? - erik
Re: [9fans] iwp9.org (Re: BibTex collections of all 4 proceedings)
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:35 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote: *Weekday overnight accommodations are not available from September to June. this will mean peak season airfares and very tight deadline. The food looked good but this weekday overnight thing is a deal breaker. Let's try something else. ron I think RIT would probably let us hold IWP9 on campus here in Rochester. Advantages: *Plenty of auditoriums and a university interested in hosting such things *Lots of hotels in the area (Radisson right at the edge of campus) *3 miles from the airport *Variety of places to eat in town *The bar right near campus has ~50 beers on tap, plenty of other great bars a bit farther away *Rochester is pretty cheap all around Disadvantages: *Weather in late fall/early winter can range from pleasant to blizzard *Most people would have to fly in via Chicago, Atlanta, Dulles, or NYC. The weather's not as pleasant as Athens, and it doesn't have the same great concentration of bars and restaurants *right* on campus, but I think RIT would be willing to host the conference. Plus, I wouldn't have to buy plane tickets :) John
