Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) Two questions arise - is this a meaningful division? - if so, how large do we expect the groups to be? My answer to the first question is -of course- yes ;-) The second is the hard one my first (wild)guess would be: 1: 200 (1%) 2: 500 (3%) 3: 1000, 1 (30%) 4: 1 (66%) the remainder Any thoughts? I don't know what the second category means. The third seems a wild overestimate - surely the only program that does interchange to any other general-purpose score format in a meaningful way is Bryan's Noteworthy convertor? He probably has figures for how many people use that but I doubt if it's as much as 5% of the ABC community. Or do you mean people who convert to ABC from other formats? - I don't think that really happens any more, everything from the NMD or BGP formats that is ever likely to be converted already has been, and there never were more than three or four people doing either. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arent Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) Two questions arise - is this a meaningful division? - if so, how large do we expect the groups to be? My answer to the first question is -of course- yes ;-) The second is the hard one my first (wild)guess would be: 1: 200 (1%) 2: 500 (3%) 3: 1000, 1 (30%) 4: 1 (66%) the remainder Any thoughts? Arent [5] software developers I don't expect to *use* abc format in anger as it's not where I am musically, but I expect to understand it and serve others as I write abc interfaces to my software. Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
Arent Storm wrote: When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) Two questions arise - is this a meaningful division? - if so, how large do we expect the groups to be? My answer to the first question is -of course- yes ;-) The second is the hard one my first (wild)guess would be: 1: 200 (1%) 2: 500 (3%) 3: 1000, 1 (30%) 4: 1 (66%) the remainder Any thoughts? It's a reasonable guess. However, we should bear in mind that the numbers don't indicate the importance of the groups. Most of the valuable, creative work is done by members of the first two categories, so it would be a mistake to assume that we don't have to cater for them. Also there is likely to be considerable overlap between the categories. I know of only one sightreader who never uses software, but many people use abc software to process hand-written abc. Likewise many people use conventional music notation software [4] and also publish abc collections[2]. Perhaps the real distinction should be between those who look at (and sometimes edit) the abc source and those who simply use a program to convert it to standard notation or play it. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
From: Arent Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) Two questions arise - is this a meaningful division? - if so, how large do we expect the groups to be? I guess I would fit into [4]. I do use abc as the storage format for our small (but hopefully one day will grow) collection of folk songs but that is at least partly as I believe abc is a very useful format for that. I do of course recognise that abc in itself is useful and there are people in your [1] and [3] categories but lso recognise that there are also people who visit our site who will want to just click for a MIDI and for graphics. When I was to produce an abc, I am a [4] type user. This is mostly because I can't make musical sense of any notation format. The only way I manage to enter a tune from a book is to copy the actual dots onto a score - trying to convert note names and note lenghts into abc would be very error prone and time consuming for me. I can then use abc if I wish to play back and make adjustments to the abc. If I'm trying to write a tune out of my head, I almost always use Cakewalk as I hear the notes as I move them on the score and only have to play about a little to get the timing right. It's annoying blindness I have and I have known the basic theory of music from primary school... I think what I'm trying to say is I suspect that there are plenty of others around who becuase of difficulties like mine (and also difficulties in using software that is not point and click) who would use abc more for interchange if there was more software around to cater for this. In that sense, perhaps one could speculate over future usage in this way rather than current usage??? Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
Arent Storm wrote: When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) It is also reasonable to assume that many (most?) of the abc users actually fall in several of these camps. I myself fit into all of them and I would be hard pressed to characterize myself as doing one over any other. I use the plaintext abc as an aid memoire (using my Palm) to jumpstart me on tunes. I maintain a small collection of morris dance tunes. I use BarFly and PalmAbc for transcribing, displaying and playing tunes (especially the former for when I want to check the accuracy of my transcriptions). I frequently send or receive tunes to and from individuals and listservs. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) Two questions arise - is this a meaningful division? - if so, how large do we expect the groups to be? My answer to the first question is -of course- yes ;-) The second is the hard one my first (wild)guess would be: 1: 200 (1%) 2: 500 (3%) 3: 1000, 1 (30%) 4: 1 (66%) the remainder Any thoughts? Arent [5] software developers I don't expect to *use* abc format in anger as it's not where I am musically, but I expect to understand it and serve others as I write abc interfaces to my software. Bernard Hill I would say [5] is within [4] and I'm regarding myself also in that position. I started writing MusiCAD as a DOS program back in 1989, with more or less the same criteria as abc, though not as compact as abc, and focus to balkan music instead of bagpipe co. Arent To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The third seems a wild overestimate - surely the only program that does interchange to any other general-purpose score format in a meaningful way is Bryan's Noteworthy convertor? I think you could at least add Harmony (and possibly Melody) Assistant to that list. I know for certain that it what Dave McGlade (dgmc) our main contributer of songs for folkinfo uses. I'm aslo aware that they did fix a couple of incompatibilities we found between thier abc output and what we we using at folkinfo to use abcm2ps. Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:29:17AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote: When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) Two questions arise - is this a meaningful division? - if so, how large do we expect the groups to be? My answer to the first question is -of course- yes ;-) The second is the hard one my first (wild)guess would be: 1: 200 (1%) 2: 500 (3%) 3: 1000, 1 (30%) 4: 1 (66%) the remainder Any thoughts? I don't know what the second category means. It seems to have come out of an idea that some people make use of the information fields ... stricly speaking, I suppose it'd be anyone who doesn't delete an ABC file once they've printed/midi'ed/whatever'ed it ? Or, how many tunes does it take to make a collection ? The third seems a wild overestimate - surely the only program that does interchange to any other general-purpose score format in a meaningful way is Bryan's Noteworthy convertor? There was a posting recently on uk.comp.os.linux, from someone who wants to make a book of mixed music text. It looks as though the reccomended approach is lilypond-book, which seems to behave as Chris' abc2mtex did - write LaTeX with blocks of music (in lilypond, rather than abc) which get picked out and converted. Which reminded me of abc2ly. I looked at that once and found it wouldn't deal with large amounts of my abc ... which leads me to realise we've never really mentioned it. But it's abc-reading software, whatever the output (I think Laura uses it, I'm not sure how many others do). I'm not sure if the distinction between abc-only software and converters-toother-formats is meaningful - after all, midi, ps, png, whatever, are other file formats, too. Surely the main point is that all software needs to parse ABC ? -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard Which reminded me of abc2ly. I looked at that once and Richard found it wouldn't deal with large amounts of my abc Why not? If it's the one tune per run limitation, abcselect will deal with that for you. Richard ... which leads me to realise we've never really Richard mentioned it. But it's abc-reading software, whatever the Richard output (I think Laura uses it, I'm not sure how many Richard others do). I don't think very many. I had a correspondence with one user last Spring. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who didn't also write unix scripts pretty fluently. E.g. for running abcselect on a file with multiple tunes, writing a latex file to include the output for all of them, and running lilypond on the ones that have changed. But if you go to lilypond, you've suddenly removed an awful lot of the ABC limitations people here complain about. Richard I'm not sure if the distinction between abc-only software Richard and converters-toother-formats is meaningful - after all, Richard midi, ps, png, whatever, are other file formats, Richard too. Surely the main point is that all software needs to Richard parse ABC ? I assumed that he didn't mention abc2ly and several other things because they only go one way (unless you want to go through MIDI or something disgusting like that). -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience snap I'm not sure if the distinction between abc-only software and converters-to-other-formats is meaningful - after all, midi, ps, png, whatever, are other file formats, too. I wouldn't regard .ps .png enz as musical relevant music strorage formats... midi is a special case but not targetted towards engraving so it is in most cases a very lossfull option. Importing midi will often lead to misinterpretations too. abc-to-other-music-storage and vice versa can be pretty much lossless. Surely the main point is that all software needs to parse ABC ? abc-exporting-only software has not ;-) Arent To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 10:07:39AM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Richard Which reminded me of abc2ly. I looked at that once and
Richard found it wouldn't deal with large amounts of my abc
Why not? If it's the one tune per run limitation, abcselect will deal
with that for you.
No, it wasn't that, just the problem of variant dialects. The last time
I tried it (a couple of days ago, after the mention in uc.o.l reminded me
of it) I hit a tune I'd just typed up which specifically wanted an
acciaccatura, abcm2ps's {/gracenote}. Which abc2ly didn't like ...
To be fair, I've just tried it on a big version of the Black Joak,
and it didn't report any problems there (though lilypond subsequently
blew up on a missing start-repeat ...) [ It may be relevant to mention
that I'm running Debian Linux (stable), and therefore probably quite
a long way behind current versions. ]
My thought was just that, this is possibly an important abc-reading
program, but I don't think we've heard from its developers at all,
on this list ? And maybe there are other such.
Richard ... which leads me to realise we've never really
Richard mentioned it. But it's abc-reading software, whatever the
Richard output (I think Laura uses it, I'm not sure how many
Richard others do).
I don't think very many. I had a correspondence with one user last
Spring. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who didn't also write unix
scripts pretty fluently. E.g. for running abcselect on a file with
multiple tunes, writing a latex file to include the output for all of
them, and running lilypond on the ones that have changed. But if you
go to lilypond, you've suddenly removed an awful lot of the ABC
limitations people here complain about.
Oh, I can do that stuff ... but if you use lilypond like that, haven't
you cut yourslef off from ABC ? I don't think I'd want to use lilypond
as primary storage for tunes, it's too wordy. But if an abc2ly could read,
say, a new-improved-standard-ABC, then conversion-on-the-fly might make
lilypond-book a better alternative to my own ABC-ps-via-LaTeX scripts.
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Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
Richard == Richard Robinson
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Richard No, it wasn't that, just the problem of variant
Richard dialects. The last time I tried it (a couple of days ago,
Richard after the mention in uc.o.l reminded me of it) I hit a
Richard tune I'd just typed up which specifically wanted an
Richard acciaccatura, abcm2ps's {/gracenote}. Which abc2ly didn't
Richard like ...
I'm really out of touch with abcm2ps development (because it doesn't
deal at all well with most of the music *I* do). But that doesn't
sound like it would be difficult to implement, if you let me know
about such things. Also, you could check whether making the lilypond
print acciaccatura instead of standard gracenote can be done with a
%%LY statement.
Richard To be fair, I've just tried it on a big version of the
Richard Black Joak, and it didn't report any problems there
Richard (though lilypond subsequently blew up on a missing
Richard start-repeat ...)
Can you send me that file? I thought I had that fixed. But you're
better off pairing repeats, because then lily knows that you have a
repeat structure. If you don't pair them, she just tries to put in the
barlines she thinks you want, but you don't have the options like
unfolding the repeats or doing more alternative endings that you would
if lily knew your repeat structure.
Richard [ It may be relevant to mention that I'm running Debian
Richard Linux (stable), and therefore probably quite a long way
Richard behind current versions. ]
If it's 1.4, you should upgrade. You can get 1.6 from
ftp://ftp.lilypond.org/pub/LilyPond/binaries/debian. Unfortunately,
upgrading to 1.7, which is soon to become the next 1.8 stable version,
will require getting some stuff from unstable. But I had 1.6 on a
pure stable system.
Richard My thought was just that, this is possibly an important
Richard abc-reading program, but I don't think we've heard from
Richard its developers at all, on this list ? And maybe there are
Richard other such.
I'm probably the most active maintainer, although I haven't done
anything to 1.7. And I do mention it from time to time, but don't
seem to get much interest back. I don't know why, since it solves a
lot of the problems people discuss here.
Richard Oh, I can do that stuff ... but if you use lilypond like
Richard that, haven't you cut yourslef off from ABC ?
It's true that it's a nuisance when you have to correct both an ABC
file and a lilypond file for the same error. But my website generally
has all of ABC, lilypond, MIDI, and pdf, and I get mail from users of
all of those formats.
Richard I don't think I'd want to use lilypond as primary storage
Richard for tunes, it's too wordy.
I save both. My database that describes what I put on the web has a
field for whether the lilypond is a straight conversion from the ABC
or has extra information in it. I have a %%LY statement that allows
me to put some of the lilypond information into the ABC file, but
anything that fiddles with the actual notes (for instance, cautionary
accidentals) has to be edited in the lilypond file.
Richard But if an abc2ly could read, say, a
Richard new-improved-standard-ABC, then conversion-on-the-fly
Richard might make lilypond-book a better alternative to my own
Richard ABC-ps-via-LaTeX scripts.
I don't feel particularly sanguine about reaching consensus for a
new-improved-standard (based on having been following this list for
almost 10 years), but anything that doesn't break backward
compatibility that you really want to use, I'll try to implement.
Since someone finally asked, I have daydreams, which may turn into
actual coding in the next couple of months, of enabling both
abctab2ps-style tablature and figured bass in abc2ly. You do *not*
want to type the lilypond input for either one, but the lilypond
output is really nice. See
http://www.laymusic.org/music/veracini/book/sonatas.pdf for examples
of the figured bass.
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Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 12:30:10PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote: Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard No, it wasn't that, just the problem of variant Richard dialects. ... I'm really out of touch with abcm2ps development ... Richard To be fair, I've just tried it on a big version of the Richard Black Joak, and it didn't report any problems there Richard (though lilypond subsequently blew up on a missing Richard start-repeat ...) Can you send me that file? I thought I had that fixed You probably have - it's just the same old much-argued missing start-repeat at the beginning of the opening bar. Some ABC apps complain, as well, but recover. I know it would be better practice to put it in, but there's so much ABC that doesn't. Including mine; because it's obvious and saves typing ... Richard [ It may be relevant to mention that I'm running Debian Richard Linux (stable), and therefore probably quite a long way Richard behind current versions. ] If it's 1.4, you should upgrade. You can get 1.6 from ftp://ftp.lilypond.org/pub/LilyPond/binaries/debian. Unfortunately, upgrading to 1.7, which is soon to become the next 1.8 stable version, will require getting some stuff from unstable. But I had 1.6 on a pure stable system. Yes. 1.4.12. So I should probably update before I make any further comment (well, I should have done _before_, really). The way I do it is to let Debian manage everything except the things where I want to be up to the edge (mainly abc-related stuff), which I install myself in /usr/local ; I don't really want to get involved with debian unstable, I like a solid system. So it's a circularity problem - outofdate abc2ly doesn't do what I'm wanting so I hadn't clocked it as important so I haven't kept up to date ... I may have been wrong about that, lilypond-book might just better a better wheel than the ones I've cooked up for myself. I'll have a look at this, and comment further when I have a more up to date idea ... it may be a while, though. Richard My thought was just that, this is possibly an important Richard abc-reading program, but I don't think we've heard from Richard its developers at all, on this list ? And maybe there are Richard other such. I'm probably the most active maintainer, although I haven't done anything to 1.7. And I do mention it from time to time, but don't seem to get much interest back. I don't know why, since it solves a lot of the problems people discuss here. I'm sorry, I hadn't realised you were involved with its development. Since someone finally asked, I have daydreams, which may turn into actual coding in the next couple of months, of enabling both abctab2ps-style tablature and figured bass in abc2ly. You do *not* want to type the lilypond input for either one, but the lilypond output is really nice. See http://www.laymusic.org/music/veracini/book/sonatas.pdf for examples of the figured bass. Yes, it does look nice. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you send me that file? I thought I had that fixed
Richard You probably have - it's just the same old much-argued missing
Richard start-repeat at the beginning of the opening bar. Some ABC apps
Richard complain, as well, but recover.
OK, if there's nothing special, the test I just did not only didn't
crash, but did actually put in the \repeat {...}, rather than just the
\bar .|. But I got a crash when I put a second one in, i.e.
stuff :| more stuff :|
I'll put that on the list to fix. Or at least to give an error message.
Richard The way I do it is to let Debian manage everything except
Richard the things where I want to be up to the edge (mainly
Richard abc-related stuff), which I install myself in /usr/local
Richard ; I don't really want to get involved with debian
Richard unstable, I like a solid system.
You might be able to get 6.9 or so by adding:
deb ftp://ftp.lilypond.org/pub/LilyPond/binaries/debian stable .
to /etc/apt/sources.list. I also had
deb ftp://ftp.lilypond.org/pub/LilyPond/binaries/debian unstable .
but I don't think that had any effect until I started messing with
unstable by setting pin priorities.
Richard So it's a circularity problem - outofdate abc2ly doesn't
Richard do what I'm wanting so I hadn't clocked it as important
Richard so I haven't kept up to date ... I may have been wrong
Richard about that, lilypond-book might just better a better
Richard wheel than the ones I've cooked up for myself.
I like it a lot. It lets you pretty much use music like any other
latex kind of thing (i.e., much easier than a graphic entity).
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Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Laura Conrad wrote: Richard So it's a circularity problem - outofdate abc2ly doesn't Richard do what I'm wanting so I hadn't clocked it as important When I recently did a apt-get install lilypond, I assumed it would download the latest stable version, as it does for all other packages I use. Now I checked, and it turned out to be version 1.4.12 from 2001! How come? Maybe you could report that there seems to be a problem with the Debian support for Lilypond? Groeten, Irwin Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~* Chazzanut Online: http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:17:22PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote: On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Laura Conrad wrote: Richard So it's a circularity problem - outofdate abc2ly doesn't Richard do what I'm wanting so I hadn't clocked it as important When I recently did a apt-get install lilypond, I assumed it would download the latest stable version, as it does for all other packages I use. Now I checked, and it turned out to be version 1.4.12 from 2001! How come? Debian stable packages _do_ tend to be somewhat less than cutting edge. I've just been investigating Laura's apt sources suggestion - it very nearly works, but s/stable/woody/ - ie, add a line deb ftp://ftp.lilypond.org/pub/LilyPond/binaries/debian woody . to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this. Same for me. thanks! Groeten, Irwin Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~* Chazzanut Online: http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 07:42:48PM +0100, Richard Robinson wrote: to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this. Whereupon, yes, that missing-repeat thing is indeed fixed. I notice it prints without title or other text. I'm sure this is configurable, I wonder where ... Aargh ! I mustn't be fiddling with this now, I've got to overhaul my clarinet and revise some tunes, I've got gigs coming up. *wail* -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:45:47PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote: to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get upgrade will take you to lilypond 1.6.10. I've just done this. Same for me. thanks! ! that's a fast connection you've got there :) -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
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Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard I notice it prints without title or other text. You must be using lilypond-book? If you use the standard ly2dvi, it prints the Title and Composer. Richard I'm sure this is configurable, I wonder where ... There's a lot of stuff on the mailing lists about how to have lilypond-book use the same format as ly2dvi does -- let me know if you ever get it working. I mostly use lilypond-book when I want to use different headers, e.g., in a whole book of Dowland songs, I don't necessarily want the C: John Dowland info on every piece. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
Irwin == I Oppenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Irwin When I tried one my tunes, I got this output: Irwin Irwin abc2ly from LilyPond 1.6.10 Irwin Parsing `shnei.abc'... Irwin Line ... shnei.abc: 21: Huh? Don't understand Irwin G|G2G2A4|(FEF) D (A2G) G|c2c2(B2c2)|(f2e2)e2d G| Irwin shnei.abc: 24: Huh? Don't understand Irwin G2G G A4|(FE) F D (A2G) d|d2g g (fedc)|(B2A2)A2G3/2 G/2| Irwin shnei.abc: 26: Huh? Don't understand Irwin g2 d d (_e2c2)|(_ec) B c (dBG) G|g2d2(_e3c)|(dcBc) d2d2| Irwin lilypond output to: `shnei.ly'... Irwin I must say that I do not find the comment Huh? Don't Irwin understand very helpful. No, lots of people say that. Running your file through the 1.7.27 abc2ly doesn't give any error messages, but then lilypond complains: /home/lconrad/music/drinking/book/test.ly:9:42: error: syntax error, unexpected E_CHAR: She- nei zei- tim nich- _ _ ra- tim _ \ So what needs to change in your abc is the w:She-nei zei-tim nich-__ra-tim_\ w:be-gan na-'ul_ yats-_hi-ru. Le- construct. The bug is really that it puts the \ into the lily file -- it should just use it to escape the newline. But I'm not sure what the putative abc standard would say about this construction -- if I were going to continue a w: line, I would have guessed that you *don't* repeat the w: on the continuation. Irwin The manpage didn't give any information on which ABC Irwin constructs are implemented an which not, so I'm clueless. I suspect someone's arm could be twisted to expand the abc2ly section in the documentation, but surely the man page would be the wrong place for details about abc syntax? -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (801) 365-6574 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 03:02:32PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote: Richard == Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard I notice it prints without title or other text. You must be using lilypond-book? If you use the standard ly2dvi, it prints the Title and Composer. Ah, thanks, I hadn't known of that. I was doing lilypond tune.abc. Richard I'm sure this is configurable, I wonder where ... There's a lot of stuff on the mailing lists about how to have lilypond-book use the same format as ly2dvi does -- let me know if you ever get it working. I mostly use lilypond-book when I want to use different headers, e.g., in a whole book of Dowland songs, I don't necessarily want the C: John Dowland info on every piece. I'll look into all this; but not immediately. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
