Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
Dear Sirs, If person has any disease such high BP, and he doesn’t mansion on the card, it does mean that he is trying to escape from the problem, or he or she is hiding something from the world, or he or she is Acting like an ostrich Sorry to say but I don’t see any benefit of writing disability on the card. It will simply destroy our chances of expectance at many places. Without manssioning disability at least we will have an opportunity to prove ourself. I think my example of trading account is enough. And I strongly believe that many of you have experienced the same at some point. At the same time we should have separate disability card, so we can produce it where ever it necessary. Let me tell you again that I am not trying to hurt anybody. I am learning from you all. Thanks. On 4/18/10, sandeep singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Acting like an ostrich will not do. If we are disabled in some way, we have to acknowledge it and if others don't, well, that's what we are fighting for! If we keep being afraid of being disabled, the world won't care anyway. Regards, Sandeep At 12:11 AM 18-04-10, you wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That's why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, raghuraman thinkdontbl...@gmail.com wrote: friends, i really couldnt understand the outlook of a few of our friends who doesn't like the disability field in u i d card actually speaking, we are of course disabled and it must be acknowledged and accepted just as a teacher is a teacher and a lawyer is a lawyer moreover, by not including the disability field in the u i d card we need to use different forms or cards to get our different benifits also i heard that in fact the n p r performa doesn't have disability field is it right if so, what are the steps have we taken to resolve these problems please explain cheers raghu To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] Request of rci act 1992
Dear friends, Please let me know where can I get a copy of 'rci act 1992' or if you have please send it to me. Thank you. Mukesh R. Baviskar 9403161157 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] accessible download manager required.
Dear list: I thank all of you for suggesting various options for problems. Finally, I downloaded Download Express. Now I need the steps to use the same. I could download successfully from drop box, but not from other websites. Hope you can understand the problem as I couldn't express it properly. In fact, if can have the phone of the users of this application, I can explain my problem well. So please send me your numbers to my email directly if possible. -- LEARN TO WRITE YOUR HURTS IN THE SAND AND TO CARVE YOUR BENEFITS IN STONE!!! They say it takes a minute to find a special person, an hour to appreciate them, a day to love them, but then an entire life to forget them. With Warm Regards, Govind, Business development Executive and SEO writer: Mobile: 9030915271, 9959392651. Email: sgred...@gmail.com Website: www.dotweb.in | www.skillbase.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
Hi, We all are seeing with how much interest the government is pursuing any work when it is related exclusively to the disabled. So, I doubt the possibility of a multipurpose disability card being issued at the national level. Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect. Coming to denial of services,even now, we can't escape from being discriminated because there has to be a personal interaction for availing those services. And in the recent past, we've seen some cases wherein we've been successful in availing these services. And Rahul sir, correcting you is a far away thing, first let me understand you, honestly, I didn't get your exact intent when you emphasised so much on my option of availing benefits. So, please educate me in that area, either on the list or off the list. I personally feel having disability on the UID card is one form of inclusiveness. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That’s why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don’t want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the
Re: [AI] Request of rci act 1992
Dear Sir: Go to rehabilation council of India's website: www.rehabcouncil.nic.in Then click on council link I think there you will get. Regards Amar Jain. -- From: Mukesh Baviskar mukeshbaviskar@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:04 PM To: Access India accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Request of rci act 1992 Dear friends, Please let me know where can I get a copy of 'rci act 1992' or if you have please send it to me. Thank you. Mukesh R. Baviskar 9403161157 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
dear all, disability is neither a sin nor a crime, no point in hiding it, i agree to what mr. vamshi says. regards kumar amalesh Asstt. Administrative Officer LIC --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Date: Sunday, 18 April, 2010, 12:41 PM Hi, We all are seeing with how much interest the government is pursuing any work when it is related exclusively to the disabled. So, I doubt the possibility of a multipurpose disability card being issued at the national level. Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect. Coming to denial of services,even now, we can't escape from being discriminated because there has to be a personal interaction for availing those services. And in the recent past, we've seen some cases wherein we've been successful in availing these services. And Rahul sir, correcting you is a far away thing, first let me understand you, honestly, I didn't get your exact intent when you emphasised so much on my option of availing benefits. So, please educate me in that area, either on the list or off the list. I personally feel having disability on the UID card is one form of inclusiveness. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That’s why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include
[AI] disability sensus
You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated? If it is a discrimination why we do possess medical certificate? Before anyone comes up and say that 'boss medical certificate is required where you specifically want to show that you are disabled and not in general situations'. Wav! I am impressed by your intelligence. Absolutely right. Now when we consider general situations why people will consider our disability when it is not required to do so? And even if they do then how they will deny us the basic things after knowing that we are disabled? Just tell me, that almost everywhere when we require any facility for which we have to fill any form, we fix a photograph on the form. Am I right? If yes, then if I restrict myself at least to visual impairment then generally it is clear from your photograph that you have vision problem. Note my word 'generally'. Then, are you denied the facilities? Lets take pan card for that matter? I think no. So I don't feel that there will be any discrimination. Including disability on the card will just show that you are disabled. You will not be discriminated because of that, however people will come to know that you are disabled then generally you will have their sympethy in India at least. That we already do get whenver any person comes to know about our disability. The only fact which we need to accept that if someone calls us disabled or if someone knows that we are disabled then we should not feel that we are infirior or we are discriminated. Lets accept the fact. And who stops you from showing your caliver in the society? Ultimately your performance will take away the sympathetic attitude of people. I would also like to say that when we say that including disability colunm on the card will be the reason of rejecting our application. Specially demat example was given. Tell me, that even today we are facing this problem. Today also many a times our forms get rejected because lack of awareness amongst brokers etc about the guidelines. Today also we need to convince them by showing them the guidelines and our talent of course. Today also we need to find out that our forms are being rejected. Then only we can take any step of meeting them etc. The things which we are doing now from overcoming of these problems,can be done at that time. UID does not stop us from doing that. We are talking about multipurpose eye-card instead of including disability on UID card. But if we are to have such card, then why not let it be on UID card itself? The best advantage of having this in UID database is that we will not need to follow another lengthy process of getting multipurpose Icard and one card will serve all the purposes. The second advantage of this will be that since disability will be recognized in UID itself we will not need to do any lengthy documentations. Which I can presume that will be added in case of multipurpose card. **I don't say that don't get multipurpose card so persons working on that project don't take me in wrong sense** Still we are faced with many difficulties, which we are overcoming either by ourselves or by the efforts of experts of our field who give their sincere efforts to get the guidelines created. The problem of railway concession the problem of no uniform format in concessions will be taken away by this card itself. I think that this UID project will make our task easier instead of making it difficult. And I think it is very sensible step to include disability in the card itself. And by the way, we are discussing here that we should not include disability then if all agree that it shouldn't be included, then are we going to talk with UID authorities who have already taken this sensible step? However I don't know that how UID will deal with temporary disableds. This is not at all counter reply, these are just and just my personal views. I respect everyone's wisdom. Regards Amar Jain. On 4/18/10, amalesh Kumar kumar_amal...@yahoo.co.in wrote: dear all, disability is neither a sin nor a crime, no point in hiding it, i agree to what mr. vamshi says. regards kumar amalesh Asstt. Administrative Officer LIC --- On Sun, 18/4/10, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census To:
Re: [AI] Ai. Sad news.
Agree. It has revolutionized the use of mobile phone use by Blind and visually impaired users. Where ever his soul is, may it rest in piece. Remember, seven days WITHOUT GOD... Makes one weak!!! Steve Boodram. - Original Message - From: muhammad deen fakhruteac...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:48 PM Subject: [AI] Ai. Sad news. Dear Accessindians, The death of the mobile inventor has really saddens me. As Mr. Dipendra Manocha wrote: Without his leadership, the mobile talks would not be the same. With his tireless efforts, he arrested the attention of so many blind mobile users. Due to this talk softwares, many a visually impaired persons started using mobile phones confidentially. We all must pray for the departed soul. A. Muhammad Fakhruddeen. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability sensus
The problem is many families do not divulge the detail of a disabled member since they consider it an unsuitable thing to mention. This is largely based on ignorance and lack of education which is largely the case. That is why they are trying all kinds of subtle ways to get the information accurately. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:43 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] disability sensus You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
Hi all, I agree with Jignesh. What is necessary is a separate disability certificate. Best regards, Rahul On 18 April 2010 11:30, jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, If person has any disease such high BP, and he doesn’t mansion on the card, it does mean that he is trying to escape from the problem, or he or she is hiding something from the world, or he or she is Acting like an ostrich Sorry to say but I don’t see any benefit of writing disability on the card. It will simply destroy our chances of expectance at many places. Without manssioning disability at least we will have an opportunity to prove ourself. I think my example of trading account is enough. And I strongly believe that many of you have experienced the same at some point. At the same time we should have separate disability card, so we can produce it where ever it necessary. Let me tell you again that I am not trying to hurt anybody. I am learning from you all. Thanks. On 4/18/10, sandeep singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Acting like an ostrich will not do. If we are disabled in some way, we have to acknowledge it and if others don't, well, that's what we are fighting for! If we keep being afraid of being disabled, the world won't care anyway. Regards, Sandeep At 12:11 AM 18-04-10, you wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That's why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, raghuraman thinkdontbl...@gmail.com wrote: friends, i really couldnt understand the outlook of a few of our friends who doesn't like the disability field in u i d card actually speaking, we are of course disabled and it must be acknowledged and accepted just as a teacher is a teacher and a lawyer is a lawyer moreover, by not including the disability field in the u i d card we need to use different forms or cards to get our different benifits also i heard that in fact the n p r performa doesn't have disability field is it right if so, what are the steps have we taken to resolve these problems please explain cheers raghu To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not saying that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed. But I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available publicly. I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-), earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose this information and this information should not be automatically available publicly. Cheers, Rahul On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person can feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding we are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide that fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below mail, but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their identity will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how Africans defined blackness with the phrase Black is beautiful I wouldn't mind telling people that blindness has its own beauty and serenity We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others understand that we are like them in every other aspects. So if I want to announce my disability to convey my different'ness and also express the desire to be a part of the greater humanity, I shall do that. I remember posting a poem by Ben Okary called 'To an English friend in Africa' in which he says: ... So fear not my friend, the darkness is gentler than you think. This is what I mean by being at ease about our condition in life. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jignesh thakur Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Dear Sirs, If person has any disease such high BP, and he doesn't mansion on the card, it does mean that he is trying to escape from the problem, or he or she is hiding something from the world, or he or she is Acting like an ostrich Sorry to say but I don't see any benefit of writing disability on the card. It will simply destroy our chances of expectance at many places. Without manssioning disability at least we will have an opportunity to prove ourself. I think my example of trading account is enough. And I strongly believe that many of you have experienced the same at some point. At the same time we should have separate disability card, so we can produce it where ever it necessary. Let me tell you again that I am not trying to hurt anybody. I am learning from you all. Thanks. On 4/18/10, sandeep singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Acting like an ostrich will not do. If we are disabled in some way, we have to acknowledge it and if others don't, well, that's what we are fighting for! If we keep being afraid of being disabled, the world won't care anyway. Regards, Sandeep At 12:11 AM 18-04-10, you wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
I understand this concern, which is expressed widespread in various forums I attend. Of course, there won't be a pogrom against disability, but as you say there has to be first a non-discrimination law which not only mentions disability, but also other more important factors like religion caste etc. Given that people purchase our Email ids, which is kind of virtual identity for many of us, and then spam us (which is worse than gassing in my opinion), it is quite possible that our details may land up in the hands of unscrupulous elements. I am reminded of Day of the Jackal in which the killer assumes the identity of a dead man and presents himself in his name. Probably this could very well happen. As part of the legal fraternity, you guys must press for the non discrimination law before UID is implemented which is the only safety net for us. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:01 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not saying that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed. But I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available publicly. I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-), earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose this information and this information should not be automatically available publicly. Cheers, Rahul On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person can feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding we are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide that fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below mail, but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their identity will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how Africans defined blackness with the phrase Black is beautiful I wouldn't mind telling people that blindness has its own beauty and serenity We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others understand that we are like them in every other aspects. So if I want to announce my disability to convey my different'ness and also express the desire to be a part of the greater humanity, I shall do that. I remember posting a poem by Ben Okary called 'To an English friend in Africa' in which he says: ... So fear not my friend, the darkness is gentler than you think. This is what I mean by being at ease about our condition in life. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jignesh thakur Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Dear Sirs, If person has any disease such high BP, and he doesn't mansion on the card, it does mean that he is trying to escape from the problem, or he or she is hiding something from the world, or he or she is Acting like an ostrich Sorry to say but I don't see any benefit of writing disability on the card. It will simply destroy our chances of expectance at many places. Without manssioning disability at least we will have
Re: [AI] disability and census
Hi, A Fantastic logic. I am convinced by the logic. But frankly speaking by so called logic and lengthy mail it is possible to prove our immature points, and we can easily prove other people wrong the points of vamshisir expectable at some extent. One more thing, there are many visually impaired persons including me whose eyes are as normal as any sighted person, so the logic of photograph is simply baseless. You intelligent people may be right on your stand, but over enthusiasm will definitely damage us... logic is other thing than harsh reality. Just keeping highlighted board of disability will not going to help us in any way. Really sorry if somebody is hurt. Thanks. On 4/18/10, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated? If it is a discrimination why we do possess medical certificate? Before anyone comes up and say that 'boss medical certificate is required where you specifically want to show that you are disabled and not in general situations'. Wav! I am impressed by your intelligence. Absolutely right. Now when we consider general situations why people will consider our disability when it is not required to do so? And even if they do then how they will deny us the basic things after knowing that we are disabled? Just tell me, that almost everywhere when we require any facility for which we have to fill any form, we fix a photograph on the form. Am I right? If yes, then if I restrict myself at least to visual impairment then generally it is clear from your photograph that you have vision problem. Note my word 'generally'. Then, are you denied the facilities? Lets take pan card for that matter? I think no. So I don't feel that there will be any discrimination. Including disability on the card will just show that you are disabled. You will not be discriminated because of that, however people will come to know that you are disabled then generally you will have their sympethy in India at least. That we already do get whenver any person comes to know about our disability. The only fact which we need to accept that if someone calls us disabled or if someone knows that we are disabled then we should not feel that we are infirior or we are discriminated. Lets accept the fact. And who stops you from showing your caliver in the society? Ultimately your performance will take away the sympathetic attitude of people. I would also like to say that when we say that including disability colunm on the card will be the reason of rejecting our application. Specially demat example was given. Tell me, that even today we are facing this problem. Today also many a times our forms get rejected because lack of awareness amongst brokers etc about the guidelines. Today also we need to convince them by showing them the guidelines and our talent of course. Today also we need to find out that our forms are being rejected. Then only we can take any step of meeting them etc. The things which we are doing now from overcoming of these problems,can be done at that time. UID does not stop us from doing that. We are talking about multipurpose eye-card instead of including disability on UID card. But if we are to have such card, then why not let it be on UID card itself? The best advantage of having this in UID database is that we will not need to follow another lengthy process of getting multipurpose Icard and one card will serve all the purposes. The second advantage of this will be that since disability will be recognized in UID itself we will not need to do any lengthy documentations. Which I can presume that will be added in case of multipurpose card. **I don't say that don't get multipurpose card so persons working on that project don't take me in wrong sense** Still we are faced with many difficulties, which we are overcoming either by ourselves or by the efforts of experts of our field who give their sincere efforts to get the guidelines created. The problem of railway concession the problem of no uniform format in concessions will be taken away by this card itself. I think that this UID project will make our task easier instead of making it difficult. And I think it is very sensible step to include disability in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
You are right sir, but the points of rahul looks more practical. Here my intention is not competing with anybody because it is impossible task to say subramani sir is wrong. Because I always respect his views. But at this time I feel it is far from reality. I am really sorry if somebody is hurt. Thanks. On 4/18/10, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I understand this concern, which is expressed widespread in various forums I attend. Of course, there won't be a pogrom against disability, but as you say there has to be first a non-discrimination law which not only mentions disability, but also other more important factors like religion caste etc. Given that people purchase our Email ids, which is kind of virtual identity for many of us, and then spam us (which is worse than gassing in my opinion), it is quite possible that our details may land up in the hands of unscrupulous elements. I am reminded of Day of the Jackal in which the killer assumes the identity of a dead man and presents himself in his name. Probably this could very well happen. As part of the legal fraternity, you guys must press for the non discrimination law before UID is implemented which is the only safety net for us. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:01 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not saying that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed. But I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available publicly. I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-), earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose this information and this information should not be automatically available publicly. Cheers, Rahul On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person can feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding we are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide that fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below mail, but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their identity will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how Africans defined blackness with the phrase Black is beautiful I wouldn't mind telling people that blindness has its own beauty and serenity We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others understand that we are like them in every other aspects. So if I want to announce my disability to convey my different'ness and also express the desire to be a part of the greater humanity, I shall do that. I remember posting a poem by Ben Okary called 'To an English friend in Africa' in which he says: ... So fear not my friend, the darkness is gentler than you think. This is what I mean by being at ease about our condition in life. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jignesh thakur Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Dear
[AI] Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study
Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Karthik Madhavan COIMBATORE: The majority of differently abled persons who receive scholarships do not get to enjoy the same, a study has found. Fifty-three per cent of the 600 girls and women interviewed have complained that scholarship in money and kind was taken away by family members and care takers, says the Avinashilingam University of Women, Coimbatore, study on 'Prevalence of Violence Among Disabled Girls/Women.' Fifty per cent visually impaired, 76.7 per cent hearing impaired, 38.7 physically challenged and 66 per cent mentally challenged have complained of the scholarship money being used by others. The UGC-sponsored study interviewed 150 persons each belonging to the aforementioned four disabilities from Chennai, Coimbatore and Madurai. And each of the cities accounted for equal number of subjects in all the special categories. The period of study: 2007-09. It has also found that girls with disabilities from residential schools suffered more compared to their counterparts at integrated and special schools. Likewise, differently abled girls in Coimbatore and Madurai underwent more physical violence compared to those in Chennai. The same is true of psychological violence and financial exploitation as well. On the question of sexual violence, the study, carried out by the Department of Special Education, has reveals that only five per cent were abused and the abusers were mostly strangers. The study's Principal Investigator Premavathy Vijayan, Co-Principal Investigator G. Victoria Naomi and Project Fellow S. Suganya say the purpose was to Identify the dynamics of abuse, which includes comprehensive assessment of emotional, physical and sexual in the lives of women with disabilities; develop training packages for defence; and, identify abusers/perpetrators and their relationship to the victim. There is a list of recommendations as well. It suggests the need for legal protection against abuse, providing information to the victim about intervention centres and services available in the community and level of accessibility, providing enough shelter homes for badly treated women and sensitisation to police personnel to register complaints from persons with disabilities. Date:18/04/2010 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2010/04/18/stories/2010041857990100.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
Dear Friend, Our eyes may appear similar to the eyes of sighted people but the white cane we carry tells the world that we are blind. Refusing to mention our disability on the census form does not hide our blindness but tells the sighted world that we are uneasy about our blindness, that we are uncomfortable with it. About the photograph, the photograph's main purpose is not to show whether a person is disabled or not but just to provide an easily recognisable proof of identity. And refusing to mention blindness on the census form still demanding a separate disability card smacks of hypocrisy. It tells the society at large that we are unlike them are ashamed of the difference choose to hide it. I would like all blind disabled friends to mention the fact of disability on the census forms so that accurate data on disability can be gathered. Also, remember that the census data will be used to create the National Population Registry which is expected to form the backbone of the Unique Identity Card. Refusing to mention disability in the census could result in the disability not being mentioned in the Unique Identity card excluding you from any concessions provided by government authorities. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey, Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hi, A Fantastic logic. I am convinced by the logic. But frankly speaking by so called logic and lengthy mail it is possible to prove our immature points, and we can easily prove other people wrong the points of vamshisir expectable at some extent. One more thing, there are many visually impaired persons including me whose eyes are as normal as any sighted person, so the logic of photograph is simply baseless. You intelligent people may be right on your stand, but over enthusiasm will definitely damage us... logic is other thing than harsh reality. Just keeping highlighted board of disability will not going to help us in any way. Really sorry if somebody is hurt. Thanks. On 4/18/10, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated? If it is a discrimination why we do possess medical certificate? Before anyone comes up and say that 'boss medical certificate is required where you specifically want to show that you are disabled and not in general situations'. Wav! I am impressed by your intelligence. Absolutely right. Now when we consider general situations why people will consider our disability when it is not required to do so? And even if they do then how they will deny us the basic things after knowing that we are disabled? Just tell me, that almost everywhere when we require any facility for which we have to fill any form, we fix a photograph on the form. Am I right? If yes, then if I restrict myself at least to visual impairment then generally it is clear from your photograph that you have vision problem. Note my word 'generally'. Then, are you denied the facilities? Lets take pan card for that matter? I think no. So I don't feel that there will be any discrimination. Including disability on the card will just show that you are disabled. You will not be discriminated because of that, however people will come to know that you are disabled then generally you will have their sympethy in India at least. That we already do get whenver any person comes to know about our disability. The only fact which we need to accept that if someone calls us disabled or if someone knows that we are disabled then we should not feel that we are infirior or we are discriminated. Lets accept the fact. And who stops you from showing your caliver in the society? Ultimately your performance will take away the sympathetic attitude of people. I would also like to say that when we say that including disability colunm on the card will be the reason of rejecting our application. Specially demat example was given. Tell me, that even today we are facing this problem. Today also many a times our forms get rejected because lack of awareness amongst brokers etc about the guidelines. Today also we need to convince them by showing them the guidelines and our talent of
Re: [AI] disability sensus
Hi Jean, What do you mean by hidden or invisible disability? I don't see any such term unless a person wants to hide his disability, which, in my view, is unnecessary. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
@Jignesh Sir if this is how you take it then I am unable to argue further on this because my level does not permit me to do so. Let me tell you that I am not at all over enthuziastic about it. And if my points appear to you as immatured, then either I do not reach upto your maturity level or you do not reach to my maturity level. Again talking about logic, I understand the purpose of photograph as said by Sameer bhaiya also but there also I am not doing any wrong when I say that sometimes our eyes clearly indicates our disability. So I don't feel that my logic is baseless. Neither highlighting the disability too much and nor hiding the disability is going to help us. So we need to be balanced about it. Neither you are hurting to me and nor I am trying to hurt you. We all are expressing our opinions which comes under right to free expression as provided by Constitution of India. However while expressing the opinion we should bare in mind that our presentation should be good. Sometimes our selection of words clearly convey the wrong message. As far as my lengthy mail is concerned, I am not trying to give any lecture but it is a matter of regret that even after reading my long mail which clearly brings out my thoughts and intention you could not understand my point of view. Having said all that, I would like to tell you that I do have deep respect for your views, and I also expect the same from you. And not only you, I respect everybody's opinion, but at the other side I respect my opinion also. I have no problem if our views do not match, because every coign has two sides. Let me also make it clear that I have never had the intention to prove you or anyone else wrong. Its just that I am expressing my views. At the end, let me thank you since you are convinced from my logic. Regards Amar Jain. -- From: Sameer sala...@gawab.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:47 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Dear Friend, Our eyes may appear similar to the eyes of sighted people but the white cane we carry tells the world that we are blind. Refusing to mention our disability on the census form does not hide our blindness but tells the sighted world that we are uneasy about our blindness, that we are uncomfortable with it. About the photograph, the photograph's main purpose is not to show whether a person is disabled or not but just to provide an easily recognisable proof of identity. And refusing to mention blindness on the census form still demanding a separate disability card smacks of hypocrisy. It tells the society at large that we are unlike them are ashamed of the difference choose to hide it. I would like all blind disabled friends to mention the fact of disability on the census forms so that accurate data on disability can be gathered. Also, remember that the census data will be used to create the National Population Registry which is expected to form the backbone of the Unique Identity Card. Refusing to mention disability in the census could result in the disability not being mentioned in the Unique Identity card excluding you from any concessions provided by government authorities. Regards Mr. Sameer Latey, Mumbai, India - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hi, A Fantastic logic. I am convinced by the logic. But frankly speaking by so called logic and lengthy mail it is possible to prove our immature points, and we can easily prove other people wrong the points of vamshisir expectable at some extent. One more thing, there are many visually impaired persons including me whose eyes are as normal as any sighted person, so the logic of photograph is simply baseless. You intelligent people may be right on your stand, but over enthusiasm will definitely damage us... logic is other thing than harsh reality. Just keeping highlighted board of disability will not going to help us in any way. Really sorry if somebody is hurt. Thanks. On 4/18/10, Amar Jain amarjain2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, Well in my view including the disability in no way stops us from getting what we want. The views of Rahul bhaiya represents today's bad political situation in the case of minorities. Where as the views of few others are that we will be discriminated just because we are disabled. There was another view represented by someone that even if we apply for something and if the 'sensible' persons sitting their to look into the applications come to know that we are disabled our forms will be rejected. I respect everyone's views, and there is nothing wrong in saying what you want to say. Well dealing with discrimination, I am unable to understand that just because it is written on the card that we are disabled how come we will be discriminated? If it
Re: [AI] accessible download manager required.
nothing to do, just install it. just write your problem here, i will try to fix it. - Original Message - From: govind reddy sgred...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] accessible download manager required. Dear list: I thank all of you for suggesting various options for problems. Finally, I downloaded Download Express. Now I need the steps to use the same. I could download successfully from drop box, but not from other websites. Hope you can understand the problem as I couldn't express it properly. In fact, if can have the phone of the users of this application, I can explain my problem well. So please send me your numbers to my email directly if possible. -- LEARN TO WRITE YOUR HURTS IN THE SAND AND TO CARVE YOUR BENEFITS IN STONE!!! They say it takes a minute to find a special person, an hour to appreciate them, a day to love them, but then an entire life to forget them. With Warm Regards, Govind, Business development Executive and SEO writer: Mobile: 9030915271, 9959392651. Email: sgred...@gmail.com Website: www.dotweb.in | www.skillbase.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability sensus
Probably she means things like dyslexia, even low vision, which is not obvious yet is existing. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:28 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability sensus Hi Jean, What do you mean by hidden or invisible disability? I don't see any such term unless a person wants to hide his disability, which, in my view, is unnecessary. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/18/10, Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com wrote: You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] Misuse of Scholarship for the Disabled
Dear Friends, The article below which had appeared in the Hindu. It draws our attention to some of the stark realities worth taking stock of and reflecting upon. Regards, Dr. A.Rambabu Source: The Hindu, 18, April, 2010 Front Page Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Karthik Madhavan COIMBATORE: The majority of differently abled persons who receive scholarships do not get to enjoy the same, a study has found. #8220;Fifty- three per cent of the 600 girls and women interviewed have complained that scholarship in money and kind was taken away by family members and care takers,#8221; says the Avinashilingam University of Women, Coimbatore, study on #8216;Prevalence of Violence Among Disabled Girls/Women. ' Fifty per cent visually impaired, 76.7 per cent hearing impaired, 38.7 physically challenged and 66 per cent mentally challenged have complained of the scholarship money being used by others. The UGC-sponsored study interviewed 150 persons each belonging to the aforementioned four disabilities from Chennai, Coimbatore and Madurai. And each of the cities accounted for equal number of subjects in all the special categories. The period of study: 2007-09. It has also found that girls with disabilities from residential schools suffered more compared to their counterparts at integrated and special schools. Likewise, differently abled girls in Coimbatore and Madurai underwent more physical violence compared to those in Chennai. The same is true of psychological violence and financial exploitation as well. On the question of sexual violence, the study, carried out by the Department of Special Education, has reveals that only five per cent were abused and the abusers were mostly strangers. The study's Principal Investigator Premavathy Vijayan, Co-Principal Investigator G. Victoria Naomi and Project Fellow S. Suganya say the purpose was to #8220;Identify the dynamics of abuse, which includes comprehensive assessment of emotional, physical and sexual in the lives of women with disabilities; develop training packages for defence; and, identify abusers/perpetrator s and their relationship to the victim.#8221; There is a list of recommendations as well. It suggests the need for legal protection against abuse, providing information to the victim about intervention centres and services available in the community and level of accessibility, providing enough shelter homes for badly treated women and sensitisation to police personnel to register complaints from persons with disabilities. Copyright: 1995 - 2006 The Hindu Republication or redissemination of the contents of this screen are expressly prohibited without the consent of The Hindu [ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study
Hello It seems this news report has distorted the findings. The scope of the study is: Identify the dynamics of abuse, which includes comprehensive assessment of emotional, physical and sexual in the lives of women with disabilities; The scholarship utilisation is not within the scope of the study then how did they draw this conclusion? This seems to be a ploy to waterdown scholarships given to disabled persons. Folks be on the guard. Harish Kotian - Original Message - From: Gopalakrishnan gopalakrishnan_...@yahoo.co.in To: Access India accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [AI] Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Karthik Madhavan COIMBATORE: The majority of differently abled persons who receive scholarships do not get to enjoy the same, a study has found. Fifty-three per cent of the 600 girls and women interviewed have complained that scholarship in money and kind was taken away by family members and care takers, says the Avinashilingam University of Women, Coimbatore, study on 'Prevalence of Violence Among Disabled Girls/Women.' Fifty per cent visually impaired, 76.7 per cent hearing impaired, 38.7 physically challenged and 66 per cent mentally challenged have complained of the scholarship money being used by others. The UGC-sponsored study interviewed 150 persons each belonging to the aforementioned four disabilities from Chennai, Coimbatore and Madurai. And each of the cities accounted for equal number of subjects in all the special categories. The period of study: 2007-09. It has also found that girls with disabilities from residential schools suffered more compared to their counterparts at integrated and special schools. Likewise, differently abled girls in Coimbatore and Madurai underwent more physical violence compared to those in Chennai. The same is true of psychological violence and financial exploitation as well. On the question of sexual violence, the study, carried out by the Department of Special Education, has reveals that only five per cent were abused and the abusers were mostly strangers. The study's Principal Investigator Premavathy Vijayan, Co-Principal Investigator G. Victoria Naomi and Project Fellow S. Suganya say the purpose was to Identify the dynamics of abuse, which includes comprehensive assessment of emotional, physical and sexual in the lives of women with disabilities; develop training packages for defence; and, identify abusers/perpetrators and their relationship to the victim. There is a list of recommendations as well. It suggests the need for legal protection against abuse, providing information to the victim about intervention centres and services available in the community and level of accessibility, providing enough shelter homes for badly treated women and sensitisation to police personnel to register complaints from persons with disabilities. Date:18/04/2010 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2010/04/18/stories/2010041857990100.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] hidden disabilities
A hidden disability is not one that is hidden from oneself. It is a disability that may or may not be visible to someone else. Disabilities fitting this description can include people with mental disabilities, learning disabilities, some physical disabilities, sometimes a hearing impairment depending on the situation, and those with partial vision who, for whatever reason, don't use a cane. It can also include people with epilepsy, head injuries, etc. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
Hi all, I attended conference couple of months ago and there was a presentation from Director general of UIAI. There presentation highlighted the followings: 1. It is only going to be unique identity number and not a card. 2. It will only verify whether particular ID No. belongs to specified person. 3. It would be up to various government department for mandating unique ID no. It might be mandatory for beneficiaries of national rural employment guarantee scheme, etc. Hope this clearifies. Asif -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at
Re: [AI] disability and census
Hello, It is very clear that in the N P R form there is no column mentioning disability andin my knowledge the details taken in NP R is coming in the U I D which is used for many purposes.My question is after this procedure where disability is getting included? Regards--Dr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
actuel This Is matter like as Just think about condition cast base catégories are mention on card like sc . st obc. and other minorities. if these kind of Indications are not mentions on card so why is disability should be please sorry for that if that hert some one - Original Message - From: sandeep singh sandeepsingh...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Hello all, Acting like an ostrich will not do. If we are disabled in some way, we have to acknowledge it and if others don't, well, that's what we are fighting for! If we keep being afraid of being disabled, the world won't care anyway. Regards, Sandeep At 12:11 AM 18-04-10, you wrote: Sir, In our country many people consider disability as like asirias crime. There is a question of expectance, if the disability would menssion on the card, our lots of application and other things will rejected automatically. We live in the country where people have not much respect for disable person. My point is that the disability on the card will not give us a chanse to prove ourself at many places. For example once I submitted my documents for trading account, the company expected it willingly, but when we had face to face meeting for formalities, he realized that I am visually impaired person, and he suddenly rejected my application. How ever I could convince him to give me his services. If I had produced disability card at that time the result might have different. That's why I am against it. Though vamshisir and other are more intelligent they can thing far better than me. I am just writing my thoughts. Thanks. On 4/17/10, raghuraman thinkdontbl...@gmail.com wrote: friends, i really couldnt understand the outlook of a few of our friends who doesn't like the disability field in u i d card actually speaking, we are of course disabled and it must be acknowledged and accepted just as a teacher is a teacher and a lawyer is a lawyer moreover, by not including the disability field in the u i d card we need to use different forms or cards to get our different benifits also i heard that in fact the n p r performa doesn't have disability field is it right if so, what are the steps have we taken to resolve these problems please explain cheers raghu To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
Rahul: Taking the spirit of what you conveyed. You don't want to be discriminated putting it simply. In the case of a person say those who are having orthopedic condition, the photo on the ID card won't reveal disability NO one wants to be discriminated and it is natural to oppose something which seems to do just that. Lets examine some cases which would help keeping annonymity of disability. Maybe job interview, admission to colleges, loans and insurance etc. In all these cases it help in the first stage. Eventually, you will have to intract with them in person and if one is inclined to discriminate then he possessess many ways to legally and rightfully discriminate against you. Therefore if we look it realistically it does not help a bit except feeling good to postpone the inevetible. In the other hand presently we are following the rights based model wherein services are offered not on the basis of sympathy and snubbing ones esteem. We have just adopted to that framework and it shall take some time to percolate. There is more to gain not being shy about disability and aserting ones right. This is the only way we can stop discrimination because we refuse to get discriminated againstand each one takes it on oneself. I believe the example of Godhra and Jews were illustrated to make a point and you don't believe disability info could result in such a situation. Harish. - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not saying that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed. But I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available publicly. I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-), earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose this information and this information should not be automatically available publicly. Cheers, Rahul On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person can feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding we are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide that fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below mail, but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their identity will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how Africans defined blackness with the phrase Black is beautiful I wouldn't mind telling people that blindness has its own beauty and serenity We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others understand that we are like them in every other aspects. So if I want to announce my disability to convey my different'ness and also express the desire to be a part of the greater humanity, I shall do that. I remember posting a poem by Ben Okary called 'To an English friend in Africa' in which he says: ... So fear not my friend, the darkness is gentler than you think. This is what I mean by being at ease about our condition in life. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jignesh thakur Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:31 AM To:
Re: [AI] disability sensus
no not always some time it is very harmfull you - Original Message - From: Jean Parker radiofore...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: [AI] disability sensus You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
As mentioned before, I can see the rationale behind Rahul's argument, but if the question comes down to disclosing our disability or not, I shall say nothing should prevent us from hiding it. It is like trying to conceal the information about our disability before a job interview. The fact is, someone will see it and we will have to explain it later. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Rahul: Taking the spirit of what you conveyed. You don't want to be discriminated putting it simply. In the case of a person say those who are having orthopedic condition, the photo on the ID card won't reveal disability NO one wants to be discriminated and it is natural to oppose something which seems to do just that. Lets examine some cases which would help keeping annonymity of disability. Maybe job interview, admission to colleges, loans and insurance etc. In all these cases it help in the first stage. Eventually, you will have to intract with them in person and if one is inclined to discriminate then he possessess many ways to legally and rightfully discriminate against you. Therefore if we look it realistically it does not help a bit except feeling good to postpone the inevetible. In the other hand presently we are following the rights based model wherein services are offered not on the basis of sympathy and snubbing ones esteem. We have just adopted to that framework and it shall take some time to percolate. There is more to gain not being shy about disability and aserting ones right. This is the only way we can stop discrimination because we refuse to get discriminated againstand each one takes it on oneself. I believe the example of Godhra and Jews were illustrated to make a point and you don't believe disability info could result in such a situation. Harish. - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not saying that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed. But I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available publicly. I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-), earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose this information and this information should not be automatically available publicly. Cheers, Rahul On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person can feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding we are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide that fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below mail, but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I often try telling them that feeling uncomfortable about their identity will always tell others that they have a poor self esteem. Like how Africans defined blackness with the phrase Black is beautiful I wouldn't mind telling people that blindness has its own beauty and serenity We are not exactly conveying our equality with others by merely talking about our rights, we do that only by making others
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
Sorry folks, I meant to write nothing should prevent us from openly talking about our disability. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus As mentioned before, I can see the rationale behind Rahul's argument, but if the question comes down to disclosing our disability or not, I shall say nothing should prevent us from hiding it. It is like trying to conceal the information about our disability before a job interview. The fact is, someone will see it and we will have to explain it later. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Rahul: Taking the spirit of what you conveyed. You don't want to be discriminated putting it simply. In the case of a person say those who are having orthopedic condition, the photo on the ID card won't reveal disability NO one wants to be discriminated and it is natural to oppose something which seems to do just that. Lets examine some cases which would help keeping annonymity of disability. Maybe job interview, admission to colleges, loans and insurance etc. In all these cases it help in the first stage. Eventually, you will have to intract with them in person and if one is inclined to discriminate then he possessess many ways to legally and rightfully discriminate against you. Therefore if we look it realistically it does not help a bit except feeling good to postpone the inevetible. In the other hand presently we are following the rights based model wherein services are offered not on the basis of sympathy and snubbing ones esteem. We have just adopted to that framework and it shall take some time to percolate. There is more to gain not being shy about disability and aserting ones right. This is the only way we can stop discrimination because we refuse to get discriminated againstand each one takes it on oneself. I believe the example of Godhra and Jews were illustrated to make a point and you don't believe disability info could result in such a situation. Harish. - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to concentration camps because of the profiling done earlier. I am not saying that in this day and age people with disability are going to be gassed. But I am somehow not comfortable with this information being available publicly. I feel the same way about my religion (or in my case the lack of it:-), earnings and other personal details. All this falls within the ambit of information I consider private and I should have the option to disclose this information and this information should not be automatically available publicly. Cheers, Rahul On 18 April 2010 15:27, Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in wrote: I think this is a very negative self image of ourselves. If a person can feel comfortable about a particular religion, caste or any other identity, why can't we feel comfortable about our disabilities? One of the reasons why we are not understood properly by others is that we always try and disown our condition or hide it from others. By hiding we are not going to be accepted by the world; on the contrary, we will be rejected thoroughly since we subtly tell them that disability is not such an acceptable condition (or) I am different and I want to hide that fact. I don't know if this is what you tried telling in the below mail, but I find such discomfort almost in every disabled person I meet. I often try telling them that feeling
[AI] disability in sensus
i truely agree with amar's views on disability in u i d cheers raghu To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability field in sensus
I also think in the way which subramani sir and Harish sir has said. I was discussing this with my dad and he also told me that the major problem comes with regard to employment, education and things like that. So there you have got two kinds of attitude. One is to hide about disability, and tell them when called upon for interview or after selection process, and other is to tell them initially itself. So the person calling you for job will call you based on your ability. I know its not very simple as it sounds because even after seeing ability which is reflected in CV people are not convinced regarding our work efficiency but the solution of this problem is only to meet with them and try to sensitize them. I must say that in the cities like Mumbai or I would not mind including other metro cities, people are very sensitized towards our needs. And even if they don't know about our technologies or things related to that, when told them I have seen positive attitude in them. However I do understand the irritation of those also who after trying a lot either do get into job or don't get just because that people don't believe in their abilities because of the disability. But still I feel that there is no harm in telling about our disability at the starting level itself. Anyways we need to have convincing power and confidence whenever we disclose about our disability. And thanks Asif bhaiya, you reminded me that we will have random unique id no of 16 digits without any card. I just forgot it. Regards Amar Jain. -- From: Subramani L lsubram...@deccanherald.co.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:50 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus As mentioned before, I can see the rationale behind Rahul's argument, but if the question comes down to disclosing our disability or not, I shall say nothing should prevent us from hiding it. It is like trying to conceal the information about our disability before a job interview. The fact is, someone will see it and we will have to explain it later. Subramani -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Rahul: Taking the spirit of what you conveyed. You don't want to be discriminated putting it simply. In the case of a person say those who are having orthopedic condition, the photo on the ID card won't reveal disability NO one wants to be discriminated and it is natural to oppose something which seems to do just that. Lets examine some cases which would help keeping annonymity of disability. Maybe job interview, admission to colleges, loans and insurance etc. In all these cases it help in the first stage. Eventually, you will have to intract with them in person and if one is inclined to discriminate then he possessess many ways to legally and rightfully discriminate against you. Therefore if we look it realistically it does not help a bit except feeling good to postpone the inevetible. In the other hand presently we are following the rights based model wherein services are offered not on the basis of sympathy and snubbing ones esteem. We have just adopted to that framework and it shall take some time to percolate. There is more to gain not being shy about disability and aserting ones right. This is the only way we can stop discrimination because we refuse to get discriminated againstand each one takes it on oneself. I believe the example of Godhra and Jews were illustrated to make a point and you don't believe disability info could result in such a situation. Harish. - Original Message - From: rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability field in sensus Subramani, My concern is rather different, and not due the fact that I have a negative opinion about disability. My concern is more about profiling. For example, India does not have an non-discrimination law that prohibits the private sector from discrimination on the basis of disability. Now, keep in mind that we will live in a world where, as you rightly put it, the world at large views people with disability as people with lesser capability. As more and more services can be procured online, it is entirely possible that the private sector may stop providing services to people with disability (since they view this group as a higher risk) especially where services can be purchased online and payment made later with credit cards etc. Another extreme example where the UID would be problematic. In Hitler's Germany, all the Jews were initially required to wear yellow stars on their clothing to be identified easily. Later, it became easy to send Jews to
Re: [AI] Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study
How should a student use the scholarship if he gets it after the academic year is over? He just gives away the money to his family who helped him during the academic year. Best regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: 91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: harish har...@accessindia.org.in To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Hello It seems this news report has distorted the findings. The scope of the study is: Identify the dynamics of abuse, which includes comprehensive assessment of emotional, physical and sexual in the lives of women with disabilities; The scholarship utilisation is not within the scope of the study then how did they draw this conclusion? This seems to be a ploy to waterdown scholarships given to disabled persons. Folks be on the guard. Harish Kotian - Original Message - From: Gopalakrishnan gopalakrishnan_...@yahoo.co.in To: Access India accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [AI] Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Misuse of scholarship for differently abled: study Karthik Madhavan COIMBATORE: The majority of differently abled persons who receive scholarships do not get to enjoy the same, a study has found. Fifty-three per cent of the 600 girls and women interviewed have complained that scholarship in money and kind was taken away by family members and care takers, says the Avinashilingam University of Women, Coimbatore, study on 'Prevalence of Violence Among Disabled Girls/Women.' Fifty per cent visually impaired, 76.7 per cent hearing impaired, 38.7 physically challenged and 66 per cent mentally challenged have complained of the scholarship money being used by others. The UGC-sponsored study interviewed 150 persons each belonging to the aforementioned four disabilities from Chennai, Coimbatore and Madurai. And each of the cities accounted for equal number of subjects in all the special categories. The period of study: 2007-09. It has also found that girls with disabilities from residential schools suffered more compared to their counterparts at integrated and special schools. Likewise, differently abled girls in Coimbatore and Madurai underwent more physical violence compared to those in Chennai. The same is true of psychological violence and financial exploitation as well. On the question of sexual violence, the study, carried out by the Department of Special Education, has reveals that only five per cent were abused and the abusers were mostly strangers. The study's Principal Investigator Premavathy Vijayan, Co-Principal Investigator G. Victoria Naomi and Project Fellow S. Suganya say the purpose was to Identify the dynamics of abuse, which includes comprehensive assessment of emotional, physical and sexual in the lives of women with disabilities; develop training packages for defence; and, identify abusers/perpetrators and their relationship to the victim. There is a list of recommendations as well. It suggests the need for legal protection against abuse, providing information to the victim about intervention centres and services available in the community and level of accessibility, providing enough shelter homes for badly treated women and sensitisation to police personnel to register complaints from persons with disabilities. Date:18/04/2010 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2010/04/18/stories/2010041857990100.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] doubt on right to free education
Hi Ameen Its available in PDF at following link: http://www.education.nic.in/Elementary/right%20free%20education.pdf On 17 April 2010 13:56, Ameen ameen.etta...@gmail.com wrote: Dear members, Can I get a copy of the Right to free education act? Has it come into effect from April first? Let me know whether the states should pass separate rules to implement it or it will come into force automatically in all states. I expect your valuable advice. Thanks in advance, Ameen. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Warm regards, Subhash Chandra Vashishth Mobile: +91 (11) 9811125521 Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Consider environment! To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] quary in goldwave
hello, one of my friend is using goldwave, the problem : whenever she is going to record something, everytime she has to increase mike's percentage from f 11[volume page of goldwave] meance, everytime while using goldwave, this value of mike is automatically down and down,and it is effected on quality of sound. so is there any permanent solution? on other way, in my pc, same version of goldwave is running fine. With regards, Bijal To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Downloading Mahabharat/Ramayana
Hello friends, Is it possible to download youtube vedeos from their respected places? I tried and failed. Watching online costs too much. If downloaded, it will be at our convenience. On 4/17/10, B. R. Nautial brnaut...@gmail.com wrote: Hello dear members, can anybody suggest me any site for downloading Mahabharata and Ramayana serial? Any suggestion is appreciated B. R. Nautial To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in -- Yours, Suryanarayana, E-mail: surya.ga...@gmail.com Skype: sosurya Mobile: 9441013400 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] imediate requirement of shourt cut commands for using windo media player
hello, as the subject line, if anybody has list of commands of window media player, send me. thanks. With regards, Bijal To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] great effort by disable persons
Hello friends, 1st in the history, tamil film ma-100 percent by disabilities may month release. Trailer: http://www.Wikifortio.Com/685593/TRAILER 01.Flv/. enjoy. My email i.D shankarhe...@gmail.com. My skype i.D shankarhelen. My mobile no. 09942135204 To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Downloading Mahabharat/Ramayana
Both are available on CDs and DVDs in few thousand rupees. Downloading them would also cost similar amounts, and besides, I don't think they are so available for download. In fact, Mahabharat is available only for RS. 1300 or so, and ramayan for about Rs. 3600. I believe the difference in price is due to the superstition that it is bad to keep mahabharat in home, smile!! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of B. R. Nautial Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 6:52 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Downloading Mahabharat/Ramayana Hello dear members, can anybody suggest me any site for downloading Mahabharata and Ramayana serial? Any suggestion is appreciated B. R. Nautial To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] disability and census
I don't think disability is entirely an private affair, and so far as discrimination is concerned, it will at least be easier to point out and remedy, if it is explicitly based on disability rather than implicit presumptions now happening in its name. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:53 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly
Re: [AI] disability and census
Yes, indeed it is beneficial, although ideal situation presented by vamshi will not materialize in India, still one should have vital info like disability on UID card, but fact is that we are not going to have it, as we are still in process of finalizing proper disability question itself and forms for NPR are already prepared, and I hope for census enumeration also!!! Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:25 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is better to take proper notification right now With regardsDr.Jalaja To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.inwith the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please
Re: [AI] disability and census
Rahul\ There is a vital difference between religion and disability, though former has systematically and brutally reinforced the later. Anyway, UID data will be with government, so its use for mass identification in situations of violence is not a probability. Further, for identifying a disability, one need only look at the person herself/himself, rather than complicated and encrypted data. I must say you are entirely mistaken on the issue. Further, having a multi-purpose disability card is the need of the hour and UID card, at least in principle, could fulfill it easily. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of rahul cherian Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Let me put it this way. Would you be ok if your religion or you caste were on the UID? What if you are a minority community living in a state like Gujarat and riots like the Godhra riots happened? Would you want to be easily identified based on your religion? My concern with disability being one of the parameters is something similar. I am sure this comes across as me being paranoid but I think that having disability as one of the parameters could lead to abuse of the information to the detriment of persons with disabilities. Vamshi, what you want is a multipurpose certificate of disability which you can use, at your option, I repeat, at your option to avail of benefits. I confess that I have not done much research into this area so please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers, Rahul On 17 April 2010 22:25, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote: But if having disability as one of the fields in the UID exempts me from carrying a separate disability certificate, railway concession certificate, bus travel concession card etc. , and enables me to book all tickets on line by providing the UID number, and I'm provided with all the benefits I'm entitled to without me requiring to go through the cumbersome procedures, I would rather prefer to have it. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org From darkness unto light On 4/17/10, rahul cherian rahul.cher...@inclusiveplanet.com wrote: I think that having disability as one of the fields in the UID will be violative of my right to privacy and could lead to discrimination. I am against it. On 17 April 2010 20:44, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friend, Only because it will serve as an all-in-all identity card. We will not have carry different cards for different purposes. Sypanthy is not an issue at all. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: jignesh thakur jigneshthaku...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Friends, This is just my opinion. Why we want to include disability in uid card? Our identity is only disability? Lots of will have to suffer because of the label disable on the card. General information is enough. To mansion disability is just issue. And it will only for meaningless sympathy. Let me tell you again this is just my opinion. I don't want to hurt anybody. There are lots of intelligent friends are on the list, and they know more than me. Thanks. On 4/17/10, ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: Yes doctor. I think disability must be mentioned in the proposed UID card. And I regret to say that the procedure for the UID card does not include the mention of disability. So, it can be safely concluded that disability will not be mentioned in the UID card. It's a sad story indeed. Proper representation should be maded to the government and we should pressurize it to include disability as one of the thins in the UID card. - - - Ashik Hirani Landline phone: 02849-242233 Skype: ashikali.hirani I would prefer flowers on my table rather than diamonds in my necklace. - Original Message - From: Dr Jalaja jalajakumar...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] disability and census Hello sir, I am also wondering why the list members are remaining silent in this matter. .Let us wait and see what will happen after completing all the procedures, and when things are out of our hands nothing can be done . it is
Re: [AI] disability sensus
The question is: whether a disability is relevant in general for public interaction in the world or not. The deniers of including disability in UID card seem to think that disability is an irrelevant consideration in general, so why must it be mentioned in identity card? However, it may or may not be a relevant consideration in a particular context. However, it is a relevant factor in general. We seem to count it relevant, when we can use it to our advantage and at other times, we discount it as if it never existed. I can understand this approach as a survival strategy in the evolutionary world, but This approach is clearly wrong. We may contest the relevance of disability in a particular situation, and we may also differ in the ways it is relevant in a given case, but as a rule, disability is surely relevant while leading life. So, why not mention it in UID card which is a general purpose instrument? In India, even caste and religion are still relevant, like in America, race, or color is still relevant, in Africa also it is there. Anyone who escapes from relevant reality surely slips into a cocoon of one's own from which it is difficult to emerge. I can deal with doubts regarding relevance of various factors separately, but we are living in a condition where far more factors are relevant than we can think. Regards Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God-- but to create Him. --Arthur C. Clarke (Rajesh Asudani) Assistant General Manager, Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:43 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] disability sensus You said: Caste, religion etc. can't be identified without a certificate, but disability can be identified by the very presence of the person. So, I don't know how and why we want to hide this aspect . What if it is a hidden or invisible disability? The presence of the person would neither confirm or deny the presence of a disability. Jean To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
