Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[sampath raj rao]

Hi Sir, Great to hear...
But how do you differentiate the Talkback voice  when the TV programme
is running? Will the volume MUTE button mutes only the TV programme
volume or the talkback voice also gets muted?


On 6/15/18, gufran ahmed  wrote:
> Hello sir can you tell me the cost of the TV
>
> On Thu 14 Jun, 2018, 8:25 PM Prashant Ranjan Verma, 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen
>> reader
>> access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the
>> DTH
>> service providers. This is how it became possible.
>>
>> 1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
>> KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series
>> should
>> also work.
>>
>> 2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go
>> into
>> the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have
>> been
>> able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote
>> control.
>>
>> 3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I
>> can
>> search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has
>> voice
>> search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not
>> working with Talkback.
>>
>> 4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set
>> top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup
>> there
>> is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV
>> remote.
>>
>> 5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be
>> opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or
>> one can also view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works
>> properly here. One can browse through the list of channels and programs
>> and
>> select them to view.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The
>> Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and
>> Alexa
>> has the skill which need to be configured.
>>
>> Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa
>> to
>> put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported.
>> For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the
>> name always does not work. This is probably also because there are so
>> many
>> similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. ,
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a
>> working solution in my home.
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Prashant Ranjan Verma
>>
>>
>>
>> Creating the best way to read and publish
>>
>> www.daisy.org 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[gufran ahmed]

Hello sir can you tell me the cost of the TV

On Thu 14 Jun, 2018, 8:25 PM Prashant Ranjan Verma, 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen reader
> access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the
> DTH
> service providers. This is how it became possible.
>
> 1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
> KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series should
> also work.
>
> 2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go into
> the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have been
> able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote
> control.
>
> 3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I can
> search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has voice
> search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not
> working with Talkback.
>
> 4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set
> top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup there
> is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV
> remote.
>
> 5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be
> opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or
> one can also view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works
> properly here. One can browse through the list of channels and programs and
> select them to view.
>
>
>
> Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The
> Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and
> Alexa
> has the skill which need to be configured.
>
> Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa to
> put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported.
> For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the
> name always does not work. This is probably also because there are so many
> similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. ,
>
>
>
> I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a
> working solution in my home.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Prashant Ranjan Verma
>
>
>
> Creating the best way to read and publish
>
> www.daisy.org 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[john clayton]

Hello Rishi,
  I understand your confusion entirely, and went through the same thing
that is whether I should opt for IOS or android for a while.

I believe I have said this before,and will say it again, I have used both
android and IOS extencively, and whilst I see the great strides google has
been taking towards accessibility, its no where near the eas of use that
ios has.
Apple is a walled garden to be sure, that is no transfering songs through
bluetooth (a feature I miss deeply), no sd slots to increase the storage
with, but those are the only gripes I can think of when I compare the 2 in
favor of android and ios.

The features you are most interested in, that is productivity, email and
browsing etc, are areas where IOS excels at, although android isnt as bad
in those as it used to be. Still you have to fiddle a lot with android to
get it to work as you would like it to (installing uninstalling accessible
/inaccessible apps, changing the launcher etc), where as on IOS all you
need is the device in your hand.

Touchscreen typing is slower than that of qwerty keyboards to be sure,but
with practice you could get cloce.
The braille screen input that ios has though can make you just as fast if
not faster than the qwerty keyboard, depending on how well you know your
braille Alphabets.

So I would if I were you lean more towards the Iphone 8 plus rather than
the blackberry, but if you feel you can not simply make do without a qwerty
keyboard, check with any existing blackberry users as to its UI being
accessible or not,issues if any and go for it if they dont mention any
issues.
Hope that helps you some and good luck with whichever phone you end up
getting.


On 14 June 2018 at 13:27, Rishi Kewalramani 
wrote:

> Hi friends,
> Really need your help.
> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
> So I really need all of your help for the same.
> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned
> money  is well spent.
>
> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help
> me to make an informed decision.
>
> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have to
> tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the
> phone so that it reaches him in time.
>
> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version
> called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
> blackberry Key1.
> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders
> have started.
>
> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
> Processor: SnapDragon 660
> RAM: 6GB
> Storage: 128 GB
> Dual SIM
> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
> Price: $700
>
> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the
> following link:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo
>
> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
> processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
> Price: $799
>
> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because of
> its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on the
> physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
> I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use my
> old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so
> used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.
>
> But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs
> the iOS with voice over.
>
> I have never used an iPhone.
>
> People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with
> much more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better
> since Apple controls both, the software and hardware.
>
> My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For
> productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying to
> emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and
> twitter, making calls  etc.
> So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is key.
>
> I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &
> tweeks  on my phone.
>
> In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot of
> lags with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of an
> old processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back updates,
> with  the Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow and talk back
> stuck to version 6 etc or a combination of all these factors. Its become
> very sluggish and the experience is not smooth.
>
> One of the questions that I'm thinking about is, do I go for the Android
> environment with talk back  or the iOS environment with voice over
> But then I 

Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[john clayton]

Hi Poonam,
 Depends on the money you are willing to spend,really but if I were in your
place, I would go for the latest moddle I could. Be it a Iphone 8 or 8 plus
(The X is all well and good but cant use it in a manner as I have grown
accustomed to) 7 plus or the 7 and so on

The more newer the moddle the longer it will last that is recieve updates
not longevity.
However Apple provides update to devices that are over 4 years old and then
some, so no worrys on that account,really.

TLDR; go with what you can aford.

On 14 June 2018 at 18:17, Poonam Lakra  wrote:

> Hi friends
> I'm also planning to buy an IPhone, but very confused that which is
> the  better one IPhone 6 or 7? required valuable suggestions.
> Poonam
>
> On 6/14/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> > Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
> > learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast as
> > used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few difficulties
> > while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia qwert, difficult
> > to type with one hand, keys are not easily distinguishable from one
> > another, and same will be in key2 despite it would have 25% larger
> > keys than key1.
> > You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
> > blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
> > years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
> > and iPhone simultaneously.
> >
> > On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
> >> Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :)
> >> Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not a geek and don’t have the time to
> >> explore things, make changes & tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go
> >> with iPhone.
> >> You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at the
> same
> >> time.
> >> While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
> >> can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
> >> find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when they
> >> don’t have budget constraint.
> >> So best for you is to get an iPhone.
> >> P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
> >>> iPhone 7 is good
> >>>
> >>> With best wishes,
> >>> Mahesh Narasimhan
> >>> +91-9899353960
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 7
> >>>
>  On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>   wrote:
> 
>  Hi friends,
>  Really need your help.
>  I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
>  So I really need all of your help for the same.
>  I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
>  since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard
> earned
>  money  is well spent.
> 
>  So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
>  Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
>  Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will
> help
>  me to make an informed decision.
> 
>  One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have
>  to
>  tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the
>  phone so that it reaches him in time.
> 
>  As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest
> version
>  called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
>  blackberry Key1.
>  It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and
> pre-orders
>  have started.
> 
>  Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
>  Processor: SnapDragon 660
>  RAM: 6GB
>  Storage: 128 GB
>  Dual SIM
>  Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
>  Price: $700
> 
>  To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out
> the
>  following link:
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo
> 
>  And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
>  processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
>  Price: $799
> 
>  The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because
>  of
>  its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on
>  the
>  physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
>  I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still
> use
>  my
>  old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm
> so
>  used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.
> 
>  But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back
> vs
>  the iOS with voice over.
> 
>  I have never used an iPhone.
> 
>  People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used
> with
>  much more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are
> better
>  since Apple controls both, the 

Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

[Vamshi. G]

Thanks to everyone for liking my narrative.  It can only happen when
you were greatly connected with an experience and enjoyed it from the
heart.  In this regard, I shall always be thankful to Mitrajyothi ,
Banglore for teaching me basics of mobility with white cane in just 4
days.  We can not forget the teacher who taught us alphabets even when
we are awarded a doctorate degree.  As others, I also depended on a
word of mouth reference for on boarding Bat Travels.  It was Subham
Arora from Delhi who instilled confidence in me for taking this trip.
I thought it should not be a case where there is a beautiful service
on offer for the blind, and it is the demand side of things that is
lagging behind.

On 6/14/18, Lyngdoh  wrote:
> While reading the narrative, I am imagining that it is me who is
> enjoying that tour.
> It is so awesome... Woohoo! I hope to have my first hand experience
> with them soon.
>
> On 6/14/18, Himanshu Sahu  wrote:
>> A vivid narrative Vamshi, got totally engrossed in it while reading!
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> Thanks and Congratulations to Bat Travels for their successful venture
>> in tourism sector with blind community.
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/18, vamshi vamshi  wrote:
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> I had just taken one more step in the direction of independent living for
>>> blind, a tour  alone to Sikkim, Indochina border with Bat travels.  Now I
>>> am
>>> in euphoria for not just completing my first tour alone, but finding a
>>> new
>>> way of happy living with  new bunch of friends!
>>>
>>> I took off alone from Banglore airport having all the apprehensions as it
>>> was my first time tour without family, friends or known people.  How
>>> should
>>> I find the cab at Bagdogra airport? What if other sighted tourists are
>>> not
>>> ready to help me? Will I be left out on a few spots on the tour?  How
>>> will
>>> I
>>> have lunch in a new place?  What if I need to go to wash room?  What if
>>> other sighted tourists are not interested in talking to me?  Will it be
>>> risky to depend purely on my white cane in hilly places?  Will I enjoy
>>> the
>>> picturesque beauty of Sikkim as a blind tourist?  Many more like this.
>>> But
>>> then, I thought its worth giving a try.  After all, life is all about
>>> trying
>>> things new.  Isn’t it?
>>>
>>> Day 0
>>> Getting bonded
>>> All the group of 8 arrived at Bagdogra airport. Two of us were blind
>>> and
>>> others being sighted.   Pleasant surprise was that Bat Travel team of
>>> Divya
>>> and Ritu were there a day in advance to receive us!  Couple of hours
>>> after
>>> introductions, we found ourselves cracking jokes at each others and
>>> pulling
>>> each others legs.  We started to Gangtok comfortably seated in two SUVs,
>>> good old bollywood music playing and I humming some  songs , more to show
>>> that I knew them than to sing well (smile).  River Teesta was along side
>>> us
>>> as if was showing us the way.   A river is the best friend for blind in
>>> nature as it makes sound to  make us feel it.  Bat Travel team was
>>> describing the nature around us, the size and shape of trees, height of
>>> mountains, how far and low  is the river, the depth of valley, colour of
>>> monkeys, a fox that we sighted etc.  It was as good as seeing everything.
>>> By the night, we checked into the hotel at Gangtok and rested after
>>> dinner.
>>> And yes, each blind was accompanied by a sighted in the room to orient
>>> us.
>>>
>>> Day 1
>>> We enjoyed a water fall, Sprinkled water on each other and had a few
>>> snaps
>>> taken.  Then we went to Enchey monastery, with Divya or Ritu describing
>>> sculpture and paintings in detail, even letting us have a tactile feel of
>>> the Buddhist sculpture, rare leaves, flowers etc.  Contrary to our
>>> personalities and the tour, we remained  silent in praying before lord
>>> Buddha with a monk chanting beside us.  After that, was the time for the
>>> most exciting part of the tour, a rope slide between two mountain clifs,
>>> with a water fall beside us and water flowing below  us!  A part of me
>>> was
>>> hesitant but the stubborn side of me wanted to do it.  I was carefully
>>> guided to the clif and was explained how it would be functioning.  Even
>>> the
>>> staff there ensured all safety measures. But still, to be harnessed to a
>>> rope, and sliding from one clif to another  by holding the  rope was one
>>> heck of an experience!  They even stop in the middle where we can leave
>>> the
>>> rope and wave in the air.  At that moment, it was a sense of achievement
>>> to
>>> think, what if I can’t do certain things like sighted, here I am doing an
>>> adventure which many sighted wouldn’t have done!  After having a
>>> Sikkimmese
>>> lunch with pasta, bamboo shoots, etc., we returned and rested at hotel.
>>>
>>> Day 2
>>> Time to touch China!  Natulla pass!  14,000 feet height!
>>> It was all the more tantalizing when we had to wait twice for permits to
>>> reach there.   With every passing mile up, 

[AI] request for help regarding Firefox

[Siva Suresh]

Dear friends and techno experts.

I am Shivasuresh from Hyderabad. I am using LENOVO laptop with windows
10 version 18.3. the latest version of windows 10.
I am using primary screen reader as NVDA and secondary screen reader as JAWS.
2 days back I have encountered a problem with my Firefox web browser.
I have updated my Firefox to the latest version as prompted by
Firefox.
When I tried to open any website I am getting an error message like
this. Message starts… “alert display of tab content is disabled due to
incompatibility between Firefox and your accessibility software.
please update your screen reader or switch to Firefox extended support
release”…. end of error message.
I have uninstalled the Firefox and tried but I am getting the same
error message even after uninstallation of Firefox.
Now friends please guide me with the solution for this challenge
because I need to take an online test which is very important for me.
You can suggest me to use other web browsers but the link in which I
have to take online test will only works with MozillaFirefox.
My questions are. 1. Is there any solution for this challenge? Or
should I go for older versions of Firefox.  2. If not that how can I
reach out to MozillaFirefox extended support release without
uninstalling MozillaFirefox?
I tried my best to be as clear as possible in explaining my challenge.
Just weighting to here  positive reply from you all.
Please help me with a good solution because it is really really really
important to take my online test.

Thank you all in advance. Shivasuresh.


-- 
thank you and warm regards.
shivasuresh.
reach me through the following means
mobile no. 9550437181.
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Re: [AI] Request for information About Accessible Flight Booking Sight

[Arup Chakraborty]

What is your Mobile number?
Arup

On 6/15/18, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Sure - You can call me anytime.
>
> On 14/06/2018, Arup Chakraborty  wrote:
>> OK I am using J7. I will get in touch with you.
>> Arup
>>
>> On 6/13/18, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>>> Hi Arup,
>>>
>>> Which phone are you using?
>>>
>>> In addition to what Amar recommended, I have another trick which
>>> proves helpful if you are using NVDA on a windows machine.
>>>
>>> Most of the times, NVDA key + shift + M helps me to take the Mouse
>>> focus to the NVDA focus and then I use NVDA + [ to perform a left
>>> click.
>>>
>>> Though I don't use IOS but if you are facing any issue on android then
>>> will be happy to help offline.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>> On 13/06/2018, Arup Chakraborty  wrote:
 I find selecting the departure and return date very difficult. This is
 same with web sights and Mobile Apps.
 Arup

 On 6/12/18, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> George sir,
>
> I use all of them without any issue on my android phone. Not sure
> about IOS though.
>
> On 12/06/2018, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Ajay,
>>
>> Are all these apps accessible?
>>
>> George
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ajay Minocha
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:39 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Request for information About Accessible Flight
>> Booking
>> Sight
>>
>> Hi Arup,
>>
>> I'll recommend using mobile apps instead of the websites.
>>
>> I use an android and I use MakeMyTrip, Goibibo, Yatra, EaseMyTrip
>> depending
>> on the offers 
>>
>> Do reach out if you need any help.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ajay
>>
>> On 12/06/2018, Planet Abled  wrote:
>>> Hi Arup,
>>>
>>> Just to add to Amar, Expedia claimed in media few months back that it
>>> is the first website to be completely accessible for people with
>>> visual impairments. Not sure if it was only for the US version or
>>> across countries. I have not checked it myself but you can try.
>>>
>>> Trust that helps.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Neha
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>> Team Planet Abled
>>> +91 9910042281
>>> ​
>>> Facebook  | Twitter
>>>  | Instagram
>>> 
>>> Youtube   |  Tripadviso
>>> >> s-Planet_Abled-New_Delhi_National_Capital_Territory_of_Delhi.html#REVI
>>> EWS>
>>> r
>>> >> s-Planet_Abled-New_Delhi_National_Capital_Territory_of_Delhi.html#REVI
>>> EWS>
>>>
>>> www.PlanetAbled.com 
>>>
>>> ​
>>> # Selected as one of the best Practices of 2018 by Zero Project at
>>> United Nations Vienna.​ # India Responsible Tourism Award 2016 by
>>> Outlook Traveller and World Travel Market, London - Best Innovation
>>> in
>>> Travel & Overall Winner # NCPEDP - Mphasis Universal Design Award for
>>> the year 2016 # Listen to what our travellers say here
>>>  # Check out the amazing Rafting Tour
>>> video here .
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Amar Jain 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Arup- while there is no major player’s site which is truly
 accessible, but Cleartrip is easy to play with, then Yatra and Make
 My Trip. From Airlines perspective on the domestic front, between
 Indigo and Jet, Jet is pretty good to use.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On 12-Jun-2018, at 8:18 AM, Arup Chakraborty 
 > wrote:
 >
 > Dear Acceisindia friends,
 > I am
 > looking for accessible flight booking sight. Please help me by
 > sharing your knowledge on this subject.
 > Arup Chakraborty
 >
 >
 >
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Re: [AI] Request for information About Accessible Flight Booking Sight

[Ajay Minocha]

Sure - You can call me anytime.

On 14/06/2018, Arup Chakraborty  wrote:
> OK I am using J7. I will get in touch with you.
> Arup
>
> On 6/13/18, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>> Hi Arup,
>>
>> Which phone are you using?
>>
>> In addition to what Amar recommended, I have another trick which
>> proves helpful if you are using NVDA on a windows machine.
>>
>> Most of the times, NVDA key + shift + M helps me to take the Mouse
>> focus to the NVDA focus and then I use NVDA + [ to perform a left
>> click.
>>
>> Though I don't use IOS but if you are facing any issue on android then
>> will be happy to help offline.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ajay
>>
>> On 13/06/2018, Arup Chakraborty  wrote:
>>> I find selecting the departure and return date very difficult. This is
>>> same with web sights and Mobile Apps.
>>> Arup
>>>
>>> On 6/12/18, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
 George sir,

 I use all of them without any issue on my android phone. Not sure
 about IOS though.

 On 12/06/2018, George Abraham  wrote:
> Ajay,
>
> Are all these apps accessible?
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Ajay Minocha
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 11:39 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Request for information About Accessible Flight
> Booking
> Sight
>
> Hi Arup,
>
> I'll recommend using mobile apps instead of the websites.
>
> I use an android and I use MakeMyTrip, Goibibo, Yatra, EaseMyTrip
> depending
> on the offers 
>
> Do reach out if you need any help.
>
> Cheers,
> Ajay
>
> On 12/06/2018, Planet Abled  wrote:
>> Hi Arup,
>>
>> Just to add to Amar, Expedia claimed in media few months back that it
>> is the first website to be completely accessible for people with
>> visual impairments. Not sure if it was only for the US version or
>> across countries. I have not checked it myself but you can try.
>>
>> Trust that helps.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Neha
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Team Planet Abled
>> +91 9910042281
>> ​
>> Facebook  | Twitter
>>  | Instagram
>> 
>> Youtube   |  Tripadviso
>> > s-Planet_Abled-New_Delhi_National_Capital_Territory_of_Delhi.html#REVI
>> EWS>
>> r
>> > s-Planet_Abled-New_Delhi_National_Capital_Territory_of_Delhi.html#REVI
>> EWS>
>>
>> www.PlanetAbled.com 
>>
>> ​
>> # Selected as one of the best Practices of 2018 by Zero Project at
>> United Nations Vienna.​ # India Responsible Tourism Award 2016 by
>> Outlook Traveller and World Travel Market, London - Best Innovation in
>> Travel & Overall Winner # NCPEDP - Mphasis Universal Design Award for
>> the year 2016 # Listen to what our travellers say here
>>  # Check out the amazing Rafting Tour
>> video here .
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Amar Jain 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Arup- while there is no major player’s site which is truly
>>> accessible, but Cleartrip is easy to play with, then Yatra and Make
>>> My Trip. From Airlines perspective on the domestic front, between
>>> Indigo and Jet, Jet is pretty good to use.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On 12-Jun-2018, at 8:18 AM, Arup Chakraborty 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear Acceisindia friends,
>>> > I am
>>> > looking for accessible flight booking sight. Please help me by
>>> > sharing your knowledge on this subject.
>>> > Arup Chakraborty
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Ajay Minocha]

Rishi Sir,

Would suggest Iphone if you want to avoid the learning curve.

In short, BlackBerry is just not worth its price

On 14/06/2018, Amar Jain  wrote:
> Apple had a proper recall for such phones. So  no risk.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 6:36 PM, Rajashekhar, Shekhar
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> People says that some of the iPhone 6 and 6S which manufactured in 2015
>> and 16 are the manufacturing defect, and I have been informed the same by
>> Apple service center people wen I went to replace my Battery, so better go
>> for 7 instead of taking risk.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of sheik mohammedali
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 6:25 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled. 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry
>> Key2?
>>
>> in terms of software you can go for either of mentioned models and even
>> according to apple ios 12 will be rolled out to 6 also
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 6:17 PM, Poonam Lakra  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi friends
>>> I'm also planning to buy an IPhone, but very confused that which is
>>> the  better one IPhone 6 or 7? required valuable suggestions.
>>> Poonam
>>>
 On 6/14/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
 Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
 learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast
 as used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few
 difficulties while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia
 qwert, difficult to type with one hand, keys are not easily
 distinguishable from one another, and same will be in key2 despite it
 would have 25% larger keys than key1.
 You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
 blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
 years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
 and iPhone simultaneously.

> On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
> Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :) Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not
> a geek and don’t have the time to explore things, make changes &
> tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go with iPhone.
> You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at
> the same time.
> While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
> can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
> find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when
> they don’t have budget constraint.
> So best for you is to get an iPhone.
> P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
>> On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
>> iPhone 7 is good
>>
>> With best wishes,
>> Mahesh Narasimhan
>> +91-9899353960
>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>>
>>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi friends,
>>> Really need your help.
>>> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
>>> So I really need all of your help for the same.
>>> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
>>> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard
>>> earned money  is well spent.
>>>
>>> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
>>> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
>>> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it
>>> will help me to make an informed decision.
>>>
>>> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I
>>> have to tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead
>>> and order the phone so that it reaches him in time.
>>>
>>> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest
>>> version called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their
>>> last year's blackberry Key1.
>>> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and
>>> pre-orders have started.
>>>
>>> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
>>> Processor: SnapDragon 660
>>> RAM: 6GB
>>> Storage: 128 GB
>>> Dual SIM
>>> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
>>> Price: $700
>>>
>>> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check
>>> out the following link:
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.c
>>> om_watch-3Fv-3Dli7Yovb6kpo=DwIGaQ=_EdSgJoS8igo01XnekBu_azVXoUP
>>> xJkwz9O2AzwhBbE=ZMrvF2HnNNcWVMTUryJZvdq0qWaOzA35J8h2tCJwvLo=tO
>>> Ll9vVKzQhPbjxxZTOI57XnMWHTjPUYF381XcBMKNY=_oqicPoaWrhm35-otwfLyu
>>> jh9vfR9PwPkAI6GWsQY28=
>>>
>>> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
>>> processor with 3gb of 

Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I remember there is another android TV in the market, it is vU TV,
dont know of its accessibility though.

On 6/14/18, Prashant Ranjan Verma  wrote:
> This needs to be investigated. there are many android TVs in the market.
> what we need to find out from the manufacturer is if they support any
> particular set top box.
> the tv remote should work with the dth set top box and it should have a
> integrated program guide.
> unfortunately even though the tv may have all this, one will actually need
> to test whether or not it works with talkback.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Lyngdoh
> Sent: 14 June 2018 22:33
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my
> home
>
> Hi
>
> So nice... Is it only this Sony that is accessible or are there some other
> sets too???
>
>
> On 6/14/18, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:
>> Awesome & amazing Prashant. Thanks for enlightening us about this.
>> For my knowledge, what is the cost of this Sony TV?
>> Thanks & regards,
>> Rishi
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan Verma
>> Sent: 14 June 2018 08:23 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.'
>> Subject: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my
>> home
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen
>> reader access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky,
>> one of the DTH service providers. This is how it became possible.
>>
>> 1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
>> KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series
>> should also work.
>>
>> 2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go
>> into the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I
>> have been able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently
>> with the remote control.
>>
>> 3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I
>> can search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also
>> has voice search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video
>> app is not working with Talkback.
>>
>> 4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky
>> set top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once
>> setup there is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do
>> everything with the TV remote.
>>
>> 5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can
>> be opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current
>> programs or one can also view list of programs by different genres.
>> Talkback works properly here. One can browse through the list of
>> channels and programs and select them to view.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa.
>> The Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV
>> and Alexa has the skill which need to be configured.
>>
>> Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask
>> Alexa to put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is
> supported.
>> For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying
>> the name always does not work. This is probably also because there are
>> so many similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD
>> plus etc. ,
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I
>> have a working solution in my home.
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Prashant Ranjan Verma
>>
>>
>>
>> Creating the best way to read and publish
>>
>> www.daisy.org 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] IRCTC new website, looking confusing, any clue?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

Even with NVDA, I am unable to navigate the website. Its accessibility gone.

On 6/14/18, Faizal K A  wrote:
> Even I too found the same problem. Its new lay out not allowing me to
> book ticket. Then later I tried with NVDA. Here after log in button as
> usual it asked my user name and password to enter. after doing that
> while checking the OTP option OTP is not at all coming. I tried
> several time. But no luck. Anyone has any suggestion?
>
>
> --
> "Develop an attitude of gratitude, and give thanks for everything that
> happens to you, knowing that every step forward is a step toward
> achieving something
> bigger and better than your current situation."
> Have a fantastic day ahead!
> Warm Regards,
> Faizal K.A
> Mobile: 09846888227.
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> faizal.uni...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Prashant Ranjan Verma]

This needs to be investigated. there are many android TVs in the market.
what we need to find out from the manufacturer is if they support any
particular set top box.
the tv remote should work with the dth set top box and it should have a
integrated program guide.
unfortunately even though the tv may have all this, one will actually need
to test whether or not it works with talkback.  

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Lyngdoh
Sent: 14 June 2018 22:33
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

Hi

So nice... Is it only this Sony that is accessible or are there some other
sets too???


On 6/14/18, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:
> Awesome & amazing Prashant. Thanks for enlightening us about this.
> For my knowledge, what is the cost of this Sony TV?
> Thanks & regards,
> Rishi
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan Verma
> Sent: 14 June 2018 08:23 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.'
> Subject: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my 
> home
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen 
> reader access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, 
> one of the DTH service providers. This is how it became possible.
>
> 1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony 
> KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series 
> should also work.
>
> 2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go 
> into the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I 
> have been able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently 
> with the remote control.
>
> 3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I 
> can search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also 
> has voice search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  
> app is not working with Talkback.
>
> 4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky 
> set top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once 
> setup there is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do 
> everything with the TV remote.
>
> 5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can 
> be opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current 
> programs or one can also view list of programs by different genres. 
> Talkback works properly here. One can browse through the list of 
> channels and programs and select them to view.
>
>
>
> Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. 
> The Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV 
> and Alexa has the skill which need to be configured.
>
> Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask 
> Alexa to put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is
supported.
> For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying 
> the name always does not work. This is probably also because there are 
> so many similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD 
> plus etc. ,
>
>
>
> I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I 
> have a working solution in my home.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Prashant Ranjan Verma
>
>
>
> Creating the best way to read and publish
>
> www.daisy.org 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Prashant Ranjan Verma]

depends upon size. mine is 49 inches at Rs. 85,000. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Rishi Kewalramani
Sent: 14 June 2018 22:34
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.' 
Subject: Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

Awesome & amazing Prashant. Thanks for enlightening us about this.
For my knowledge, what is the cost of this Sony TV?
Thanks & regards,
Rishi

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Prashant Ranjan Verma
Sent: 14 June 2018 08:23 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

Dear all,

I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen reader
access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the DTH
service providers. This is how it became possible.

1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series should
also work.

2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go into
the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have been
able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote
control.

3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I can
search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has voice
search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not
working with Talkback. 

4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set
top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup there
is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV
remote.

5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be
opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or
one can also view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works
properly here. One can browse through the list of channels and programs and
select them to view.

 

Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The
Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and Alexa
has the skill which need to be configured. 

Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa to
put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported.
For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the
name always does not work. This is probably also because there are so many
similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. , 

 

I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a
working solution in my home. 

 

thanks,

Prashant Ranjan Verma

 

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www.daisy.org   

 




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Re: [AI] Seeing Ai app recognises Indian currency

[Lyngdoh]

I want this app on my android phone...
Is it in the process of coming?

On 6/14/18, George Abraham  wrote:
> Yes it works!
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 4:16 PM
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> Subject: [AI] Seeing Ai app recognises Indian currency
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> Hi
> Seeing AI has now an update, it recognizes Indian currency.
> To use it change the channel to currency and tab on button if it reads
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> don't have to click anything else, it will use the back camera and speak
> out
> the value.
>
> Does RBI plan to give IPhones to all blind persons in the country  smile> with this development!?
>
> Seeing AI app runs only on IOS. There is no need forinternet to do this
> task.
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Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Lyngdoh]

Hi

So nice... Is it only this Sony that is accessible or are there some
other sets too???


On 6/14/18, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:
> Awesome & amazing Prashant. Thanks for enlightening us about this.
> For my knowledge, what is the cost of this Sony TV?
> Thanks & regards,
> Rishi
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Prashant Ranjan Verma
> Sent: 14 June 2018 08:23 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen reader
> access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the
> DTH
> service providers. This is how it became possible.
>
> 1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
> KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series should
> also work.
>
> 2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go into
> the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have been
> able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote
> control.
>
> 3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I can
> search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has voice
> search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not
> working with Talkback.
>
> 4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set
> top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup there
> is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV
> remote.
>
> 5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be
> opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or
> one can also view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works
> properly here. One can browse through the list of channels and programs and
> select them to view.
>
>
>
> Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The
> Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and
> Alexa
> has the skill which need to be configured.
>
> Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa to
> put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported.
> For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the
> name always does not work. This is probably also because there are so many
> similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. ,
>
>
>
> I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a
> working solution in my home.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Prashant Ranjan Verma
>
>
>
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>
> www.daisy.org 
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Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

[Lyngdoh]

While reading the narrative, I am imagining that it is me who is
enjoying that tour.
It is so awesome... Woohoo! I hope to have my first hand experience
with them soon.

On 6/14/18, Himanshu Sahu  wrote:
> A vivid narrative Vamshi, got totally engrossed in it while reading!
> Thanks for sharing.
> Thanks and Congratulations to Bat Travels for their successful venture
> in tourism sector with blind community.
>
>
> On 6/14/18, vamshi vamshi  wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> I had just taken one more step in the direction of independent living for
>> blind, a tour  alone to Sikkim, Indochina border with Bat travels.  Now I
>> am
>> in euphoria for not just completing my first tour alone, but finding a new
>> way of happy living with  new bunch of friends!
>>
>> I took off alone from Banglore airport having all the apprehensions as it
>> was my first time tour without family, friends or known people.  How
>> should
>> I find the cab at Bagdogra airport? What if other sighted tourists are not
>> ready to help me? Will I be left out on a few spots on the tour?  How will
>> I
>> have lunch in a new place?  What if I need to go to wash room?  What if
>> other sighted tourists are not interested in talking to me?  Will it be
>> risky to depend purely on my white cane in hilly places?  Will I enjoy the
>> picturesque beauty of Sikkim as a blind tourist?  Many more like this.
>> But
>> then, I thought its worth giving a try.  After all, life is all about
>> trying
>> things new.  Isn’t it?
>>
>> Day 0
>> Getting bonded
>> All the group of 8 arrived at Bagdogra airport. Two of us were blind
>> and
>> others being sighted.   Pleasant surprise was that Bat Travel team of
>> Divya
>> and Ritu were there a day in advance to receive us!  Couple of hours after
>> introductions, we found ourselves cracking jokes at each others and
>> pulling
>> each others legs.  We started to Gangtok comfortably seated in two SUVs,
>> good old bollywood music playing and I humming some  songs , more to show
>> that I knew them than to sing well (smile).  River Teesta was along side
>> us
>> as if was showing us the way.   A river is the best friend for blind in
>> nature as it makes sound to  make us feel it.  Bat Travel team was
>> describing the nature around us, the size and shape of trees, height of
>> mountains, how far and low  is the river, the depth of valley, colour of
>> monkeys, a fox that we sighted etc.  It was as good as seeing everything.
>> By the night, we checked into the hotel at Gangtok and rested after
>> dinner.
>> And yes, each blind was accompanied by a sighted in the room to orient us.
>>
>> Day 1
>> We enjoyed a water fall, Sprinkled water on each other and had a few snaps
>> taken.  Then we went to Enchey monastery, with Divya or Ritu describing
>> sculpture and paintings in detail, even letting us have a tactile feel of
>> the Buddhist sculpture, rare leaves, flowers etc.  Contrary to our
>> personalities and the tour, we remained  silent in praying before lord
>> Buddha with a monk chanting beside us.  After that, was the time for the
>> most exciting part of the tour, a rope slide between two mountain clifs,
>> with a water fall beside us and water flowing below  us!  A part of me was
>> hesitant but the stubborn side of me wanted to do it.  I was carefully
>> guided to the clif and was explained how it would be functioning.  Even
>> the
>> staff there ensured all safety measures. But still, to be harnessed to a
>> rope, and sliding from one clif to another  by holding the  rope was one
>> heck of an experience!  They even stop in the middle where we can leave
>> the
>> rope and wave in the air.  At that moment, it was a sense of achievement
>> to
>> think, what if I can’t do certain things like sighted, here I am doing an
>> adventure which many sighted wouldn’t have done!  After having a
>> Sikkimmese
>> lunch with pasta, bamboo shoots, etc., we returned and rested at hotel.
>>
>> Day 2
>> Time to touch China!  Natulla pass!  14,000 feet height!
>> It was all the more tantalizing when we had to wait twice for permits to
>> reach there.   With every passing mile up, the temperature kept dropping
>> and
>> air freezing.  I deliberately refrained from wearing jacket till we
>> reached
>> there to see how it will be like, but only to loose the battle with the
>> weather as by then my hands also started paining.   It was a hike to the
>> top, with either of the bat travel buddies or  sighted friend holding one
>> hand and my white cane in the other.  There were steps, treacherous
>> passes,
>> snow passes, other tourists and what not, but it was a great experience to
>> use the white cane at such a place and reach the peak.  We could see
>> Chinese
>> buildings, flags at the other end.  My impish side got better of me as I
>> poked my cane beyond Indian border and was duly cautioned by the army
>> person
>> against it.  After saluting the army friends, on our way down, we had hot
>> tea, jilebi and popcorn.  We 

Re: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Rishi Kewalramani]

Awesome & amazing Prashant. Thanks for enlightening us about this.
For my knowledge, what is the cost of this Sony TV?
Thanks & regards,
Rishi

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Prashant Ranjan Verma
Sent: 14 June 2018 08:23 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

Dear all,

I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen reader
access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the DTH
service providers. This is how it became possible.

1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series should
also work.

2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go into
the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have been
able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote
control.

3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I can
search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has voice
search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not
working with Talkback. 

4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set
top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup there
is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV
remote.

5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be
opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or
one can also view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works
properly here. One can browse through the list of channels and programs and
select them to view.

 

Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The
Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and Alexa
has the skill which need to be configured. 

Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa to
put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported.
For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the
name always does not work. This is probably also because there are so many
similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. , 

 

I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a
working solution in my home. 

 

thanks,

Prashant Ranjan Verma

 

Creating the best way to read and publish

www.daisy.org   

 




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[AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Prashant Ranjan Verma]

Dear all,
I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen reader 
access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the DTH 
service providers. This is how it became possible.
1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony KD-49X7500E. I 
think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series should also work.
2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go into the 
settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have been able to 
use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote control.
3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I can 
search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has voice 
search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not working 
with Talkback. 
4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set top 
box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup there is no 
need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV remote.
5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be opened 
to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or one can also 
view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works properly here. One 
can browse through the list of channels and programs and select them to view.

Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The Sony 
Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and Alexa has the 
skill which need to be configured. 
Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa to put 
a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported. For 
example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the name 
always does not work. This is probably also because there are so many similar 
channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. , 

I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a 
working solution in my home. 

thanks,
Prashant Ranjan Verma

Creating the best way to read and publish
www.daisy.org 






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Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

[Himanshu Sahu]

A vivid narrative Vamshi, got totally engrossed in it while reading!
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks and Congratulations to Bat Travels for their successful venture
in tourism sector with blind community.


On 6/14/18, vamshi vamshi  wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I had just taken one more step in the direction of independent living for
> blind, a tour  alone to Sikkim, Indochina border with Bat travels.  Now I am
> in euphoria for not just completing my first tour alone, but finding a new
> way of happy living with  new bunch of friends!
>
> I took off alone from Banglore airport having all the apprehensions as it
> was my first time tour without family, friends or known people.  How should
> I find the cab at Bagdogra airport? What if other sighted tourists are not
> ready to help me? Will I be left out on a few spots on the tour?  How will I
> have lunch in a new place?  What if I need to go to wash room?  What if
> other sighted tourists are not interested in talking to me?  Will it be
> risky to depend purely on my white cane in hilly places?  Will I enjoy the
> picturesque beauty of Sikkim as a blind tourist?  Many more like this.  But
> then, I thought its worth giving a try.  After all, life is all about trying
> things new.  Isn’t it?
>
> Day 0
> Getting bonded
> All the group of 8 arrived at Bagdogra airport. Two of us were blind and
> others being sighted.   Pleasant surprise was that Bat Travel team of Divya
> and Ritu were there a day in advance to receive us!  Couple of hours after
> introductions, we found ourselves cracking jokes at each others and pulling
> each others legs.  We started to Gangtok comfortably seated in two SUVs,
> good old bollywood music playing and I humming some  songs , more to show
> that I knew them than to sing well (smile).  River Teesta was along side us
> as if was showing us the way.   A river is the best friend for blind in
> nature as it makes sound to  make us feel it.  Bat Travel team was
> describing the nature around us, the size and shape of trees, height of
> mountains, how far and low  is the river, the depth of valley, colour of
> monkeys, a fox that we sighted etc.  It was as good as seeing everything.
> By the night, we checked into the hotel at Gangtok and rested after dinner.
> And yes, each blind was accompanied by a sighted in the room to orient us.
>
> Day 1
> We enjoyed a water fall, Sprinkled water on each other and had a few snaps
> taken.  Then we went to Enchey monastery, with Divya or Ritu describing
> sculpture and paintings in detail, even letting us have a tactile feel of
> the Buddhist sculpture, rare leaves, flowers etc.  Contrary to our
> personalities and the tour, we remained  silent in praying before lord
> Buddha with a monk chanting beside us.  After that, was the time for the
> most exciting part of the tour, a rope slide between two mountain clifs,
> with a water fall beside us and water flowing below  us!  A part of me was
> hesitant but the stubborn side of me wanted to do it.  I was carefully
> guided to the clif and was explained how it would be functioning.  Even the
> staff there ensured all safety measures. But still, to be harnessed to a
> rope, and sliding from one clif to another  by holding the  rope was one
> heck of an experience!  They even stop in the middle where we can leave the
> rope and wave in the air.  At that moment, it was a sense of achievement to
> think, what if I can’t do certain things like sighted, here I am doing an
> adventure which many sighted wouldn’t have done!  After having a Sikkimmese
> lunch with pasta, bamboo shoots, etc., we returned and rested at hotel.
>
> Day 2
> Time to touch China!  Natulla pass!  14,000 feet height!
> It was all the more tantalizing when we had to wait twice for permits to
> reach there.   With every passing mile up, the temperature kept dropping and
> air freezing.  I deliberately refrained from wearing jacket till we reached
> there to see how it will be like, but only to loose the battle with the
> weather as by then my hands also started paining.   It was a hike to the
> top, with either of the bat travel buddies or  sighted friend holding one
> hand and my white cane in the other.  There were steps, treacherous passes,
> snow passes, other tourists and what not, but it was a great experience to
> use the white cane at such a place and reach the peak.  We could see Chinese
> buildings, flags at the other end.  My impish side got better of me as I
> poked my cane beyond Indian border and was duly cautioned by the army person
> against it.  After saluting the army friends, on our way down, we had hot
> tea, jilebi and popcorn.  We had a few pics and shouted Jayho to India at
> the border!  On our way down, we stopped at beautiful Tsomgo lake to have a
> yak ride.  Ritu went so far to walk ahead of me, or rather the yak to take a
> video of my ride.
>
> Day 3
> From east to west of Sikkim.
> We visited Temi  tea gardens on the way to west of Sikkim.  It was planned

[AI] How TV and satellite channels became accessible in my home

[Prashant Ranjan Verma]

Dear all,

I have been able to get a talking TV and more importantly get screen reader
access to the list of channels and program guide of Tata Sky, one of the DTH
service providers. This is how it became possible.

1. Purchased Sony Bravia Android TV. My TV model  number is Sony
KD-49X7500E. I think other models in the Sony Bravia Android series should
also work.

2. Activated Talkback on the TV. It required sighted assistance to go into
the settings and accessibility option. After Talkback started, I have been
able to use the TV menus and its Android OS independently with the remote
control.

3. YouTube, Netflix and many other apps are pre-installed on the TV. I can
search and play programs with the help of Talkback. This TV also has voice
search function and it is very accurate. Amazon Prime video  app is not
working with Talkback. 

4. This TV has a feature which allows it to detect connected Tata Sky set
top box. The Tata Sky can be operated with the TV remote, once setup there
is no need to use the Tata Sky remote, you can do everything with the TV
remote.

5. The TV has a pre-installed app called Program Guide. This app can be
opened to see the Guide which lists the channels with current programs or
one can also view list of programs by different genres. Talkback works
properly here. One can browse through the list of channels and programs and
select them to view.

 

Additionally now I have been able to connect my TV with Amazon Alexa. The
Sony Bravia and Alexa support each other. Sony has a app on the TV and Alexa
has the skill which need to be configured. 

Now I can just ask Alexa to Switch On the TV, Volume up/mute, ask Alexa to
put a channel number on the TV. Even switching channel name is supported.
For example Alexa change channel to Times Now on TV. However, saying the
name always does not work. This is probably also because there are so many
similar channel names such as Colors, Colors HD, Colors HD plus etc. , 

 

I wish we get talking set top boxes soon. but for the time being I have a
working solution in my home. 

 

thanks,

Prashant Ranjan Verma

 

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Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Amar Jain]

Apple had a proper recall for such phones. So  no risk.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14-Jun-2018, at 6:36 PM, Rajashekhar, Shekhar  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> People says that some of the iPhone 6 and 6S which manufactured in 2015 and 
> 16 are the manufacturing defect, and I have been informed the same by Apple 
> service center people wen I went to replace my Battery, so better go for 7 
> instead of taking risk.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of sheik mohammedali
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 6:25 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?
> 
> in terms of software you can go for either of mentioned models and even 
> according to apple ios 12 will be rolled out to 6 also
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 6:17 PM, Poonam Lakra  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends
>> I'm also planning to buy an IPhone, but very confused that which is
>> the  better one IPhone 6 or 7? required valuable suggestions.
>> Poonam
>> 
>>> On 6/14/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>>> Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
>>> learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast
>>> as used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few
>>> difficulties while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia
>>> qwert, difficult to type with one hand, keys are not easily
>>> distinguishable from one another, and same will be in key2 despite it
>>> would have 25% larger keys than key1.
>>> You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
>>> blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
>>> years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
>>> and iPhone simultaneously.
>>> 
 On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
 Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :) Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not
 a geek and don’t have the time to explore things, make changes &
 tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go with iPhone.
 You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at
 the same time.
 While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
 can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
 find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when
 they don’t have budget constraint.
 So best for you is to get an iPhone.
 P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
 Hope this helps.
 
 
 
> On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
> iPhone 7 is good
> 
> With best wishes,
> Mahesh Narasimhan
> +91-9899353960
> Sent from my iPhone 7
> 
>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> Really need your help.
>> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
>> So I really need all of your help for the same.
>> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
>> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard
>> earned money  is well spent.
>> 
>> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
>> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
>> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it
>> will help me to make an informed decision.
>> 
>> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I
>> have to tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead
>> and order the phone so that it reaches him in time.
>> 
>> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest
>> version called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their
>> last year's blackberry Key1.
>> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and
>> pre-orders have started.
>> 
>> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
>> Processor: SnapDragon 660
>> RAM: 6GB
>> Storage: 128 GB
>> Dual SIM
>> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
>> Price: $700
>> 
>> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check
>> out the following link:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.c
>> om_watch-3Fv-3Dli7Yovb6kpo=DwIGaQ=_EdSgJoS8igo01XnekBu_azVXoUP
>> xJkwz9O2AzwhBbE=ZMrvF2HnNNcWVMTUryJZvdq0qWaOzA35J8h2tCJwvLo=tO
>> Ll9vVKzQhPbjxxZTOI57XnMWHTjPUYF381XcBMKNY=_oqicPoaWrhm35-otwfLyu
>> jh9vfR9PwPkAI6GWsQY28=
>> 
>> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
>> processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
>> Price: $799
>> 
>> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is
>> because of its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts
>> that it offers on the physical keyboard 

[AI] *** BGFI's June Knowledge Sharing Session on Futuristic Technologies - Opportunities and Risks ***

[Blind Graduates' Forum of India]

Hi all,

Greetings from Blind Graduates Forum of India (BGFI).
In the last two decades, Advancement in Technology has had a
substantial impact on the lives of persons with visual impairment.
Whether it is moving around with the help of Google maps, or
connecting to people on Facebook, Technology has enabled the blind in
multiple ways. Going forward, the futuristic technologies have the
potential to dramatically accelerate this speed and transform the
lives of blind. This can be an opportunity if you realise and   adopt
these technologies, However it can become a risk if you fail to
upgrade your skills in time in order to adapt to this technological
transformation.
Come join us for a thought provoking session on the futuristic
technologies, opportunities and risks by Aditi Shah, Rahul Vijay
Pathak Sagar Sodah and Vishal Kumar Jain.

Date and Time: Saturday, 23rd June, 3:00 pm
Venue: College of Social Work, Nirmala Niketan. 38, New Marine Lines
Churchgate (East) Mumbai. It is walkable from Churchgate Station.

In this session, we will explore the potential of Artificial
Intelligence, Analytics, 3D Printing, Wearable technology, Internet of
Things and Automation. You will also have a glimpse of this technology
with the following product demonstrations:
Amazon Alexa - a device that can perform hundreds of tasks based upon
your voice commands.
OrCam MyEye - a wearable device that can read text, identifies objects
and faces.
Seeing AI - an app that is increasingly becoming intelligent to assist
the blind.

These Futuristic technologies however have both Pros and Cons.
Therefore in this session, we will also reflect upon how automation
can take away many of the jobs currently performed by persons with
visual impairment. And how we can mitigate this risk and convert it
into an opportunity to up skill ourselves for jobs in the future.

About our speakers:
Aditi Shah: Aditi has done her Masters of Science in Information
Technology and is currently a Product Manager with Iraje Software
Consultants. She is also the Honorary Secretary of BGFI. Aditi is an
all-the-time Technology Enthusiast and develops solutions to leverage
the power of automation to simplify complex tasks
Sagar Sodah: Sagar is a Senior NodeJS Developer at Lead School, an
Innovative start up and he is also an invitee of BGFI. He is
passionate about how
Technology can create social impact and has utilized Artificial
Intelligence and Chat bots on interesting projects.
Rahul Vijay Pathak, a representative of OrCam MyEye, Marshall
Integrated Services Private Limited.
Vishal Kumar Jain: Vishal has done his MBA from IIM Lucknow and is
currently a Senior Manager, HR Analytics with Tata Motors. He leads
the project of deploying HR Analytics and is  involved in automation
projects.

For any queries, contact Santosh Salien on 9930775758.

Let’s come together to prepare for the future, embrace this change and
transform our lives with the upcoming technologies!

Regards,
Blind Graduates Forum of India
Website: www.bgfi.in
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[AI] PM interaction on June 15 with beneficiaries of digital India - time to talk about accessibility?

[Amar Jain]

Just got a message. The interaction is on Dordarshan and narendra Modi app. See 
if someone can get accessibility need pushed.

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Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

[Tony Kurian]

Hi all,
Just read this well written narrative by Vamsi and thought I should
share my experience with Bat Travels. I was fortunate to be part of
their first trip. It was a paragliding to Kamshet. From the word go,
it was fun till the end. As Vamsi mentioned, everything was described
to us and all safety measures were taken in advance for paragliding.
As a blind tourist, I had missed out on many adventure activities in
the past on account of my disability. The Bat Travel team of Ritu and
Divya had made all the arrangements prior to our visit so that I did
not have to keep telling people about how they should not be
apprehensive about my disability.
I was a part of two more of their trips. One was a beer tasting event
and I could touch and feel multiple ingredients which go in to making
different kinds of beer. The third one was a night camping at Karjet.
We had floating and hanging tends, and some amazing live music. Again,
sighted travellers and teem Bat Travels explained everything in detail
to me.
Having been a part of three of their trips, here are some general
observations. They give priority to our dignity and for me it meant
having the pride of being independent. The groups always became
friendly in a short time and I never had inhibitions about asking
something or sharing any of my concerns. It was like travelling with a
group of friends. Ritu and Divya even being new to the sector
demonstrated some remarkable inclusion. So Ritu has a blind friendly
laughter and Divya comes with a bag full of annoying questions, and
they always made sure an inclusive travel experience. I liked the fact
that I could explore something new through Bat.
Cheers,
TK


On 6/14/18, Vamshi. G  wrote:
> Bat travels
>
>
> ‭+91 99200 58200‬
>
> Regards
> Vamshi
>
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>> Rgs,
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Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Rajashekhar, Shekhar]

Hi,

People says that some of the iPhone 6 and 6S which manufactured in 2015 and 16 
are the manufacturing defect, and I have been informed the same by Apple 
service center people wen I went to replace my Battery, so better go for 7 
instead of taking risk.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
sheik mohammedali
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 6:25 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

in terms of software you can go for either of mentioned models and even 
according to apple ios 12 will be rolled out to 6 also

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14-Jun-2018, at 6:17 PM, Poonam Lakra  wrote:
>
> Hi friends
> I'm also planning to buy an IPhone, but very confused that which is
> the  better one IPhone 6 or 7? required valuable suggestions.
> Poonam
>
>> On 6/14/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>> Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
>> learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast
>> as used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few
>> difficulties while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia
>> qwert, difficult to type with one hand, keys are not easily
>> distinguishable from one another, and same will be in key2 despite it
>> would have 25% larger keys than key1.
>> You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
>> blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
>> years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
>> and iPhone simultaneously.
>>
>>> On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
>>> Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :) Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not
>>> a geek and don’t have the time to explore things, make changes &
>>> tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go with iPhone.
>>> You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at
>>> the same time.
>>> While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
>>> can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
>>> find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when
>>> they don’t have budget constraint.
>>> So best for you is to get an iPhone.
>>> P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
 iPhone 7 is good

 With best wishes,
 Mahesh Narasimhan
 +91-9899353960
 Sent from my iPhone 7

> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>  wrote:
>
> Hi friends,
> Really need your help.
> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
> So I really need all of your help for the same.
> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard
> earned money  is well spent.
>
> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it
> will help me to make an informed decision.
>
> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I
> have to tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead
> and order the phone so that it reaches him in time.
>
> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest
> version called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their
> last year's blackberry Key1.
> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and
> pre-orders have started.
>
> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
> Processor: SnapDragon 660
> RAM: 6GB
> Storage: 128 GB
> Dual SIM
> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
> Price: $700
>
> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check
> out the following link:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.c
> om_watch-3Fv-3Dli7Yovb6kpo=DwIGaQ=_EdSgJoS8igo01XnekBu_azVXoUP
> xJkwz9O2AzwhBbE=ZMrvF2HnNNcWVMTUryJZvdq0qWaOzA35J8h2tCJwvLo=tO
> Ll9vVKzQhPbjxxZTOI57XnMWHTjPUYF381XcBMKNY=_oqicPoaWrhm35-otwfLyu
> jh9vfR9PwPkAI6GWsQY28=
>
> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
> processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
> Price: $799
>
> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is
> because of its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts
> that it offers on the physical keyboard would make things really
> productive I think.
> I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I
> still use my old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making
> notes because I'm so used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty
> fast on it while typing.

Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[sheik mohammedali]

in terms of software you can go for either of mentioned models and even 
according to apple ios 12 will be rolled out to 6 also

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14-Jun-2018, at 6:17 PM, Poonam Lakra  wrote:
> 
> Hi friends
> I'm also planning to buy an IPhone, but very confused that which is
> the  better one IPhone 6 or 7? required valuable suggestions.
> Poonam
> 
>> On 6/14/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>> Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
>> learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast as
>> used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few difficulties
>> while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia qwert, difficult
>> to type with one hand, keys are not easily distinguishable from one
>> another, and same will be in key2 despite it would have 25% larger
>> keys than key1.
>> You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
>> blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
>> years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
>> and iPhone simultaneously.
>> 
>>> On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
>>> Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :)
>>> Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not a geek and don’t have the time to
>>> explore things, make changes & tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go
>>> with iPhone.
>>> You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at the same
>>> time.
>>> While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
>>> can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
>>> find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when they
>>> don’t have budget constraint.
>>> So best for you is to get an iPhone.
>>> P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
 iPhone 7 is good
 
 With best wishes,
 Mahesh Narasimhan
 +91-9899353960
 Sent from my iPhone 7
 
> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> Really need your help.
> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
> So I really need all of your help for the same.
> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned
> money  is well spent.
> 
> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help
> me to make an informed decision.
> 
> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have
> to
> tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the
> phone so that it reaches him in time.
> 
> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version
> called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
> blackberry Key1.
> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders
> have started.
> 
> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
> Processor: SnapDragon 660
> RAM: 6GB
> Storage: 128 GB
> Dual SIM
> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
> Price: $700
> 
> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the
> following link:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo
> 
> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
> processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
> Price: $799
> 
> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because
> of
> its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on
> the
> physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
> I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use
> my
> old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so
> used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.
> 
> But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs
> the iOS with voice over.
> 
> I have never used an iPhone.
> 
> People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with
> much more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better
> since Apple controls both, the software and hardware.
> 
> My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For
> productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying
> to emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and
> twitter, making calls  etc.
> So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is
> key.
> 
> I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make 

Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Poonam Lakra]

Hi friends
I'm also planning to buy an IPhone, but very confused that which is
the  better one IPhone 6 or 7? required valuable suggestions.
Poonam

On 6/14/18, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
> learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast as
> used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few difficulties
> while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia qwert, difficult
> to type with one hand, keys are not easily distinguishable from one
> another, and same will be in key2 despite it would have 25% larger
> keys than key1.
> You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
> blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
> years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
> and iPhone simultaneously.
>
> On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
>> Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :)
>> Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not a geek and don’t have the time to
>> explore things, make changes & tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go
>> with iPhone.
>> You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at the same
>> time.
>> While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
>> can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
>> find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when they
>> don’t have budget constraint.
>> So best for you is to get an iPhone.
>> P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
>>> iPhone 7 is good
>>>
>>> With best wishes,
>>> Mahesh Narasimhan
>>> +91-9899353960
>>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>>>
 On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
  wrote:

 Hi friends,
 Really need your help.
 I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
 So I really need all of your help for the same.
 I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
 since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned
 money  is well spent.

 So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
 Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
 Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help
 me to make an informed decision.

 One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have
 to
 tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the
 phone so that it reaches him in time.

 As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version
 called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
 blackberry Key1.
 It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders
 have started.

 Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
 Processor: SnapDragon 660
 RAM: 6GB
 Storage: 128 GB
 Dual SIM
 Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
 Price: $700

 To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the
 following link:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo

 And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
 processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
 Price: $799

 The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because
 of
 its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on
 the
 physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
 I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use
 my
 old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so
 used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.

 But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs
 the iOS with voice over.

 I have never used an iPhone.

 People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with
 much more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better
 since Apple controls both, the software and hardware.

 My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For
 productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying
 to emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and
 twitter, making calls  etc.
 So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is
 key.

 I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &
 tweeks  on my phone.

 In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot
 of
 lags with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of
 an old processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back
 updates,
 with  the Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow 

Re: [AI] IRCTC new website, looking confusing, any clue?

[Faizal K A]

Even I too found the same problem. Its new lay out not allowing me to
book ticket. Then later I tried with NVDA. Here after log in button as
usual it asked my user name and password to enter. after doing that
while checking the OTP option OTP is not at all coming. I tried
several time. But no luck. Anyone has any suggestion?


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Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

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Bat travels


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Re: [AI] Does Google Assistant work well on iPhones?

[sheik mohammedali]

you don't need to have google assistance since Apple Siri is powerful. but 
still you can have it by installing the google search app.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

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[AI] Does Google Assistant work well on iPhones?

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Hi friends using iPhones,
I wanted to know, Does Google assistant work very well on iPhones just as it
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Re: [AI] Seeing Ai app recognises Indian currency

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Yes it works!

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Subject: [AI] Seeing Ai app recognises Indian currency

Hi
Seeing AI has now an update, it recognizes Indian currency.
To use it change the channel to currency and tab on button if it reads
dollar. Thereafter you get a chance to change to Indian currency from the
default dollar.
Thereafter you keep the phone about 6 inches away from the currency, You
don't have to click anything else, it will use the back camera and speak out
the value.

Does RBI plan to give IPhones to all blind persons in the country  with this development!?

Seeing AI app runs only on IOS. There is no need forinternet to do this
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[AI] Seeing Ai app recognises Indian currency

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Hi
Seeing AI has now an update, it recognizes Indian currency.
To use it change the channel to currency and tab on button if it reads dollar. 
Thereafter you get a chance to change to Indian currency from the default 
dollar.
Thereafter you keep the phone about 6 inches away from the currency, You don't 
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value.

Does RBI plan to give IPhones to all blind persons in the country  with this development!?

Seeing AI app runs only on IOS. There is no need forinternet to do this task.

Harish.




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[AI] Article

[Kanchan Pamnani]

*HE IS SPECIAL BUT HIS CARS ARE NOT*

By Anjana Vaswani, Mumbai Mirror | Updated: Jun 14, 2018, 05.35 AM IST

[image: He is special but his cars are not]

*Double amputee Chetan Korada, the world’s only differently-abled race
driver to have won races and a series, refuses to drive specially adapted
cars.*

He must have been about a year and a half, Chetan Korada estimates, when he
was fitted for his first pair of prosthetics, and though he can’t recall
what the Jaipur Foot felt like, he does remember that the aluminium
prosthetics he was fitted with at around age 10 were excruciating. “I used
to be fitted with new prosthetics every year or two and my legs would bleed
until they adjusted to the new devices,” the 31-yearold told Mirror
yesterday.

Korada, who was amputated below the knees shortly after birth, owing to a
bone defect, was in Mumbai for a two-day visit, a brief holiday from the
relentless training that has turned him into a leading race car driver over
the last decade. Last week, Korada returned from Malaysia after testing the
Formula Masters track, where he completed 120 laps, in preparation for two
forthcoming, international races – the MRF Challenge which will take him to
Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Bahrain in November 2018, and a yet-to-be-confirmed
Southeast Asia Pacific series, which will kick off in July.

“If the Asia series does not work out, the MRF Challenge will be my first
international race,” says Korada, who lives in Chennai’s Kilpauk area.
Despite his disability, Korada has been making it to the podium (the top
three ranks) in national races and series since 2009, when he was the
second runner-up in the JK Tyre Junior National Championship in Chennai –
most recently, he was second runner-up in the Federation of Motor Sports
Clubs of India’s (FMSCI) National Rally Championship.

Korada isn’t the world’s first differently-abled driver to participate in
the high-risk sport – Britain’s Nicolas “Nic” Hamilton, for instance, who
suffers from cerebral palsy, has participated in championships, as has
19-yearold double amputee Billy Monger. But Korada is the only one to have
made it to the podium in rallies, and the only one, worldwide, who does not
drive specially adapted vehicles (those fitted with hand-operated controls
for the brake and the clutch).

“I want to experience exactly what any other race driver goes through, down
to the same Gforce (the powerful gravitational force that race drivers
experience as the cars accelerate in relation to freefall). For the same
reason, I don’t wear prosthetics with spring mechanisms. I want to feel the
push-back of the pedals like other race drivers,” said Korada, whose legs
are fitted with lightweight, carbon-fibre prosthetics of a European make
that he said, “together, cost as much as a superbike.”

He credited his mother Padma, 55, with encouraging him to press forward
‘whatever my dreams were’.

“I had taken up painting at one stage, I have worked as a DJ for eight
years, and even gave hairstyling a go for a time, but cars have always been
a passion. If anyone ever told me I could not do something, my mother would
say, ‘Ignore him. Do it and we’ll face the consequences, whatever they may
be’.’’

He recounted, “When I wanted to play football, for instance, and someone
said I could break a leg, she said, ‘Worst case scenario: you’ll break the
prosthetics. We’ll get new ones.”

Korada said he did play football for a time, and was even the basketball
captain at The School KFI, where he completed his schooling.

QNet, the multinational marketing company that his mother works for,
started sponsoring Korada since 2011, when he started 12th (among 23
drivers) in the Formula LGB 1300 rally, and finished first. The same year
he was runner up in the Kart-1series and in 2012, he went on to win the
Mini Enduro and Sprint race.

While his mother has been a constant source of encouragement, Korada told
Mumbai Mirror his skill has been honed by Chennai’s Quantum Leap
Performance. “For the last two years, I have been training for two hours
every day, engaging in custom-made hybrid exercise plans, and following
diet programmes that the company has devised. I also use their racing
simulators to practice, in addition to spending two hours a day on my own
simulators to explore new cars and circuits,” said Korada, who is confident
that he’s on the right track to win the international titles.

*Chetan Korada was amputated below the knees shortly after birth owing to a
bone defect*



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[AI] Article in Mumbai Mirror 14 June 2018

[Kanchan Pamnani]

*Kol woman with cerebral palsy may be first to adopt a baby*

· The Times of India (Mumbai edition)

· 13 Jun 2018

· Priyanka.Dasgupta @timesgroup.com

Jeeja and husband with their bundle of joy

Kolkata: Ballygunge resident Jeeja Ghosh, 48, has become the first person
born with cerebral palsy in Kolkata — and possibly India — to become a
parent through adoption.

Motherhood was a dream that Ghosh, born with the condition, nursed since
she got married in 2013. But little did she know the hurdles she would have
to face before being considered fit to adopt a five-month-old girl. Last
Thursday, after an epic struggle, Ghosh welcomed home a girl child —
lovingly called Bhujungu and Sonai at home — to her ninth-floor flat at the
Saptaparni complex on Ballygunge Circular Road.

Ghosh, a Presidency College graduate and Delhi University postgraduate, and
her husband, Bappaditya Nag, a law officer with Syndicate Bank, applied for
adoption in 2016. Madhusmita Nayak, programme mana- ger for the specialised
adoption agency project at Keonjhar’s Self-Realisation Mission (SRM), from
where the child was adopted, said the baby was born in January 2018 and was
abandoned at a Keonjhar hospital. “We don’t know about her biological
parents,” Nayak added.

It was love at first sight for the couple when they saw the yet-unnamed
child at SRM. But it needed multiple trips to Keonjhar to convince the
adoption committee that Ghosh could be a responsible care-giver. “We
submitted a fit certificate but the committee told us this certificate was
not acceptable because it had to be issued by a medical practitioner,” Nag
said.

It was an uphill struggle from there, but the couple finally succeeded.



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Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age

[Dinesh Kaushal]

I agree that training organizations could look at providing some orientation 
about Narrator.

One of my recent experience is illustrative.

My laptop crashed a couple of times due to faulty hard disk and I had to take 
data out of my system. Since my windows was not starting, I could not operate 
my laptop independently. I then found out that windows 10 has a feature known 
as windows to go. Windows to go prepares a flash drive for bootable installer, 
and Using another software I could create a bootable flash drive. Once my 
laptop booted from the flash drive, I could operate my  machine independently 
with the help of narrator. Unfortunately, windows to go has some restrictions 
so one can only install apps that are downloaded from windows store which means 
I could not install NVDA. This problem would be solved once NVDA is available 
from the windows store, but it takes some time and assistance to download 
software from the windows store. On the other hand, starting narrator is only 
pressing a few keystrokes.

If someone has such a bootable drive with them, he or she could operate on any 
computer.

I also agree with having multiple options for screen readers as multiple 
options encourage competition which helps the products to improve.

At the same time, I think narrator still has a long way to go before it could 
become a full time screen reader as mentioned by Prashant.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Shilpi Kapoor
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 3:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age

Hi All, 
Great to see this dialogue on screen readers and what do we teach and what do 
we use. 

Here is my two bits and I won't go to the point of saying teach one or another: 
- We need to ensure that students have an early initiation to Screen Readers. 
They should be able to access technology as early as their peers. What we have 
to teach is the concepts of the screen reader! For example, what is a desktop, 
what is a start button, how does it behave, what is a page, how can we use the 
calculator. At that stage, even a Narrator is great as exposure. Let's 
understand that Narrator is getting better. It is already in the operating 
system, it has no additional cost. I honestly believe it is the right step at 
schools. 

- As the needs of the person increase on what they have to do, then the choice 
of screen reader is based on what they want to do with it. If the usage is for 
Excel and at that point NVDA or JAWS is better for their work, that choice 
should be theirs and based on the use case. 

I think instead of worrying of which is the right screen reader, we need to see 
how to make screen readers that important tool early on in students lives. 

After teaching loads of people computers and hiring lots of people with 
disabilities, we need people to be agile in their use of technology. In 
technology, you have to be able to adapt. 

I hear Vasu, when he says reasonable accommodation. But I also know that as 
organizations we decide what technology a person will use. That is the reality. 
You find some people say we use a particular software as an organization, must 
be as simple as Skype for Business and another might say we use Zoom for the 
same purpose of online conferencing. 
We need to be ready to explore different solutions.

Regards
Shilpi



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia  on behalf of 
Srinivasu Chakravarthula 
Reply-To: "accessindia@accessindia.org.in" 
Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 5:45 AM
To: "accessindia@accessindia.org.in" 
Subject: Re: [AI] Narrator as a screen reader come of age

George,
Here is a link to Keyboard commands of Narrator:

https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-in%2Fhelp%2F22806%2Fwindows-10-narrator-keyboard-commands-touch-gestures=02%7C01%7C%7Cd11b340c16cd4c46650108d5d04b9fa4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636643945583505320=8KMYk2LcbBPYLy596is5sF1NCGgfbM8GMBKZtTc%2BEJA%3D=0

Harish, I respectfully disagree to the point if organizations have
restrictions to downloads applications such as NVDA; that's a reasonable
accommodation and organizations cannot deny. Until Narrator comes to a
decent level where we can use on usual applications like excel etc.,  I
would not prefer providing this as an otpion to use at organizations.

Thanks,
Srinivasu

Regards,

Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: 
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Website: 

[AI] IRCTC new website, looking confusing, any clue?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

When today morning I opened IRCTC website to book a ticket Delhi to
Mumbai, I observed completely new interface, I thought for a moment
that I am on a wrong website, then googled IRCTC.CO.IN, I found old
website link, my user name was not working there, it asked me to use
new website. I had to return to new website in search of trains. But I
am unable to understand the interface of IRCTC new website, it has
completely changed, found no option to login, and unable to book the
ticket.
Therefore please guide me how to book rail ticket on new website, what
about its accessibility?

-- 
Mohib Anwar Rafay

Phone: +919 555 555 765




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Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

Go for iPhone if you want simplicity and intuitiveness. There are
learning curves in android, blackberry keyone is not that much fast as
used to be nokia phone in typing. You may likely face few difficulties
while typing even, as the phone is larger than nokia qwert, difficult
to type with one hand, keys are not easily distinguishable from one
another, and same will be in key2 despite it would have 25% larger
keys than key1.
You wont be able to type as fast as you do on nokia phone either on
blackberry or iPhone. I have been user of all three platforms for
years, found nokia much much faster in typing. presently using key1
and iPhone simultaneously.

On 6/14/18, Sunil Sangtani.  wrote:
> Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :)
> Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not a geek and don’t have the time to
> explore things, make changes & tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go
> with iPhone.
> You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at the same
> time.
> While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
> can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
> find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when they
> don’t have budget constraint.
> So best for you is to get an iPhone.
> P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
>> iPhone 7 is good
>>
>> With best wishes,
>> Mahesh Narasimhan
>> +91-9899353960
>> Sent from my iPhone 7
>>
>>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi friends,
>>> Really need your help.
>>> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
>>> So I really need all of your help for the same.
>>> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
>>> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned
>>> money  is well spent.
>>>
>>> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
>>> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
>>> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help
>>> me to make an informed decision.
>>>
>>> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have to
>>> tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the
>>> phone so that it reaches him in time.
>>>
>>> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version
>>> called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
>>> blackberry Key1.
>>> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders
>>> have started.
>>>
>>> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
>>> Processor: SnapDragon 660
>>> RAM: 6GB
>>> Storage: 128 GB
>>> Dual SIM
>>> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
>>> Price: $700
>>>
>>> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the
>>> following link:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo
>>>
>>> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
>>> processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
>>> Price: $799
>>>
>>> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because of
>>> its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on the
>>> physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
>>> I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use
>>> my
>>> old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so
>>> used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.
>>>
>>> But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs
>>> the iOS with voice over.
>>>
>>> I have never used an iPhone.
>>>
>>> People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with
>>> much more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better
>>> since Apple controls both, the software and hardware.
>>>
>>> My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For
>>> productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying
>>> to emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and
>>> twitter, making calls  etc.
>>> So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is key.
>>>
>>> I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &
>>> tweeks  on my phone.
>>>
>>> In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot
>>> of
>>> lags with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of
>>> an old processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back updates,
>>> with  the Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow and talk back
>>> stuck to version 6 etc or a combination of all these factors. Its become
>>> very sluggish and the experience is not smooth.
>>>
>>> One of the questions that I'm thinking about is, do I go for the Android
>>> environment with talk back  or the iOS environment with voice over
>>> But then I really like the physical 

Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Sunil Sangtani.]

Hi rishi, seems too much confused! :)
Anyways.  As you say, “I'm not a geek and don’t have the time to
explore things, make changes & tweaks on my phone.” I suggest you go
with iPhone.
You can’t get android’s keyboard facility and IPhone’s comfort at the same time.
While android is improving every day and there is nothing that you
can’t do with android and can do with iPhone, still many of people
find iPhone is much easier and accessible to use especially when they
don’t have budget constraint.
So best for you is to get an iPhone.
P.S, these are my views based on your mail you sent here.
Hope this helps.



On 6/14/18, Mahesh Narasimhan  wrote:
> iPhone 7 is good
>
> With best wishes,
> Mahesh Narasimhan
> +91-9899353960
> Sent from my iPhone 7
>
>> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi friends,
>> Really need your help.
>> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
>> So I really need all of your help for the same.
>> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
>> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned
>> money  is well spent.
>>
>> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
>> Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
>> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help
>> me to make an informed decision.
>>
>> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have to
>> tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the
>> phone so that it reaches him in time.
>>
>> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version
>> called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
>> blackberry Key1.
>> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders
>> have started.
>>
>> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
>> Processor: SnapDragon 660
>> RAM: 6GB
>> Storage: 128 GB
>> Dual SIM
>> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
>> Price: $700
>>
>> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the
>> following link:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo
>>
>> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic
>> processor with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
>> Price: $799
>>
>> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because of
>> its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on the
>> physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
>> I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use my
>> old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so
>> used to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.
>>
>> But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs
>> the iOS with voice over.
>>
>> I have never used an iPhone.
>>
>> People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with
>> much more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better
>> since Apple controls both, the software and hardware.
>>
>> My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For
>> productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying
>> to emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and
>> twitter, making calls  etc.
>> So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is key.
>>
>> I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &
>> tweeks  on my phone.
>>
>> In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot of
>> lags with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of
>> an old processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back updates,
>> with  the Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow and talk back
>> stuck to version 6 etc or a combination of all these factors. Its become
>> very sluggish and the experience is not smooth.
>>
>> One of the questions that I'm thinking about is, do I go for the Android
>> environment with talk back  or the iOS environment with voice over
>> But then I really like the physical keyboard of the Blackberry key2..
>> And then  I wonder, what is the point of having a physical keyboard if
>> android with talk back is not as intuitive as iOS with voice over?
>>
>> And then I became aware of this screen protector, the embossed speed dots
>> screen protector for iPhones.
>> https://www.speeddots.com/
>> So then I wonder Will this embossed screen protector  fulfill my need for
>> a tactile keyboard to some extent?
>>
>> But then some say, android with talk back is  not bad. and then my mind
>> again likes to go for the blackberry key2 with that great physical
>> keyboard which has 52 short cuts to enhance our productivity.
>>
>> So I'm confused with all these thoughts.
>>
>> Friends, if you were me, which smartphone would you go for between these
>> 2? And why?
>> A great physical keyboard 

Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Shek Mohammad Ali]

For information transactions iPhone is better I feel.  Have a large notes to
type? Braille screen input is a great feature where you can use it for
typing as well as quick navigational purposes on home screen and web pages.
I do also have a spare android. In my experience, You can really
differentiate it when real time usage comes.  Once you have iPhone I don't
think you need any extra accessories.  This might be the short note.  Please
revert for more information off list.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia  On Behalf Of
Rishi Kewalramani
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 1:27 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.' 
Subject: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

Hi friends,
Really need your help.
I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
So I really need all of your help for the same.
I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned
money  is well spent.

So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between
Blackberry Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help me
to make an informed decision.

One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have to
tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the phone
so that it reaches him in time.

As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version
called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's
blackberry Key1.
It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders have
started.

Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
Processor: SnapDragon 660
RAM: 6GB
Storage: 128 GB
Dual SIM
Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
Price: $700

To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the
following link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo

And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic processor
with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
Price: $799

The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because of
its physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on the
physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use my
old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so used
to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.

But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs the
iOS with voice over.

I have never used an iPhone.

People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with much
more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better since
Apple controls both, the software and hardware.

My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For
productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying to
emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and
twitter, making calls  etc.
So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is key.

I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &
tweeks  on my phone.

In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot of
lags with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of an
old processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back updates, with
the Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow and talk back stuck to
version 6 etc or a combination of all these factors. Its become very
sluggish and the experience is not smooth.

One of the questions that I'm thinking about is, do I go for the Android
environment with talk back  or the iOS environment with voice over But then
I really like the physical keyboard of the Blackberry key2..
And then  I wonder, what is the point of having a physical keyboard if
android with talk back is not as intuitive as iOS with voice over? 

And then I became aware of this screen protector, the embossed speed dots
screen protector for iPhones.
https://www.speeddots.com/
So then I wonder Will this embossed screen protector  fulfill my need for a
tactile keyboard to some extent?

But then some say, android with talk back is  not bad. and then my mind
again likes to go for the blackberry key2 with that great physical keyboard
which has 52 short cuts to enhance our productivity.

So I'm confused with all these thoughts.

Friends, if you were me, which smartphone would you go for between these 2?
And why?
A great physical keyboard  or no physical keyboard?
Android or iOS?

I want the smartphone that I buy  to last me for the next 4 to 5 years at
least.
Having invested this amount, I dont want to think about it for the next 4
years at least.

So friends, please help me, because some of you have used both android and
iOS.
Should I go for 

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Of Jaya Gowri
Sent: 14 June 2018 13:30
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: [AI] regarding job work

hello sir.very good afternoon sir.i need one help for my friend.she had
completed B.A english now she is working for a job.she is a visually
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[AI] regarding job work

[Jaya Gowri]

hello sir.very good afternoon sir.i need one help for my friend.she had
completed B.A english now she is working for a job.she is a visually
challenged person  and also she is from Tamilnadu.



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Re: [AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Mahesh Narasimhan]

iPhone 7 is good

With best wishes,
Mahesh Narasimhan
+91-9899353960
Sent from my iPhone 7

> On 14-Jun-2018, at 1:27 PM, Rishi Kewalramani  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> Really need your help.
> I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
> So I really need all of your help for the same.
> I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned money 
>  is well spent.
> 
> So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between Blackberry 
> Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
> Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help me 
> to make an informed decision.
> 
> One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have to 
> tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the phone 
> so that it reaches him in time.
> 
> As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version 
> called Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's blackberry 
> Key1.
> It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders have 
> started.
> 
> Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
> Processor: SnapDragon 660
> RAM: 6GB
> Storage: 128 GB
> Dual SIM
> Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
> Price: $700
> 
> To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the 
> following link:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo
> 
> And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic processor 
> with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
> Price: $799
> 
> The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because of its 
> physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on the 
> physical keyboard would make things really productive I think.
> I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use my 
> old Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so used 
> to the physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.
> 
> But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs the 
> iOS with voice over.
> 
> I have never used an iPhone.
> 
> People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with much 
> more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better since 
> Apple controls both, the software and hardware.
> 
> My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For 
> productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying to 
> emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and 
> twitter, making calls  etc.
> So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is key.
> 
> I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &  
> tweeks  on my phone.
> 
> In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot of 
> lags with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of an 
> old processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back updates, with  
> the Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow and talk back stuck to 
> version 6 etc or a combination of all these factors. Its become very sluggish 
> and the experience is not smooth.
> 
> One of the questions that I'm thinking about is, do I go for the Android 
> environment with talk back  or the iOS environment with voice over 
> But then I really like the physical keyboard of the Blackberry key2..
> And then  I wonder, what is the point of having a physical keyboard if 
> android with talk back is not as intuitive as iOS with voice over? 
> 
> And then I became aware of this screen protector, the embossed speed dots 
> screen protector for iPhones.
> https://www.speeddots.com/
> So then I wonder Will this embossed screen protector  fulfill my need for a 
> tactile keyboard to some extent?
> 
> But then some say, android with talk back is  not bad. and then my mind again 
> likes to go for the blackberry key2 with that great physical keyboard which 
> has 52 short cuts to enhance our productivity.
> 
> So I'm confused with all these thoughts.
> 
> Friends, if you were me, which smartphone would you go for between these 2? 
> And why?
> A great physical keyboard  or no physical keyboard?
> Android or iOS?
> 
> I want the smartphone that I buy  to last me for the next 4 to 5 years at 
> least.
> Having invested this amount, I dont want to think about it for the next 4 
> years at least.
> 
> So friends, please help me, because some of you have used both android and 
> iOS.
> Should I go for Blackberry key2 or iPhone 8 plus?
> 
> As I mentioned, One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month 
> and I have to tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and 
> order the phone so that it reaches him in time.
> since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned money 
>  is well spent.
> 
> Looking forward to 

[AI] Please guide, Should I buy iPhone 8 plus or Blackberry Key2?

[Rishi Kewalramani]

Hi friends,
Really need your help.
I need to make an important decision regarding my next smartphone.
So I really need all of your help for the same.
I'm confused and want to make sure that I take the correct decision.
since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned money  
is well spent.

So I want your valuable inputs to help me to make a choice between Blackberry 
Key2 or iPhone 8 plus.
Its oK if you all have  differing opinions on this, I think it will help me to 
make an informed decision.

One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and I have to tell 
him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order the phone so that 
it reaches him in time.

As some of you may be aware Blackberry has launched  its latest version called 
Blackberry Key2, which is an upgrade from their last year's blackberry Key1.
It will be available in the U.S by the end of this month and pre-orders have 
started.

Blackberry key2 comes with the following specifications:
Processor: SnapDragon 660
RAM: 6GB
Storage: 128 GB
Dual SIM
Micro SD card slot to expand  to 256GB.
Price: $700

To see a youtube hands onn review of the blackberry key2, check out the 
following link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Yovb6kpo

And the iPhone 8 plus, as you all know, comes with the A 11 bionic processor 
with 3gb of RAM, and I'll go for the 64gb model.
Price: $799

The only reason why I'm thinking  about the Blackberry key2 is because of its 
physical QWERTY keyboard. And the 52 short cuts that it offers on the physical 
keyboard would make things really productive I think.
I still like tactile physical keyboards. Believe it or not, I still use my old 
Nokia E5  for calls and sending sms and making notes because I'm so used to the 
physical keyboard and I'm pretty fast on it while typing.

But my real confusion creeps in when I compare Android with talk back vs the 
iOS with voice over.

I have never used an iPhone.

People say that iOS with voice over is more intuitive, can be used with much 
more ease, the accessibility is better etc, and updates are better since Apple 
controls both, the software and hardware.

My main purpose for having a good smartphone is for business use. For 
productivity. Reading webpages on the go, reading, drafting and replying to 
emails, reading and replying to whatsapp messages, using facebook and twitter, 
making calls  etc.
So I'm looking for  a hastle free smooth experience. Productivity is key.

I'm not a geek and dont have the time to explore things, make changes &  tweeks 
 on my phone.

In my Moto X 2nd gen, which I got 4 years ago,  I'm experiencing  a lot of lags 
with talk back. I do not know the reason for this, Is it because of an old 
processor or the 2 GB RAM or no more Android or talk back updates, with  the 
Android version stuck to android 6 marshmallow and talk back stuck to version 6 
etc or a combination of all these factors. Its become very sluggish and the 
experience is not smooth.

One of the questions that I'm thinking about is, do I go for the Android 
environment with talk back  or the iOS environment with voice over 
But then I really like the physical keyboard of the Blackberry key2..
And then  I wonder, what is the point of having a physical keyboard if android 
with talk back is not as intuitive as iOS with voice over? 

And then I became aware of this screen protector, the embossed speed dots 
screen protector for iPhones.
https://www.speeddots.com/
So then I wonder Will this embossed screen protector  fulfill my need for a 
tactile keyboard to some extent?

But then some say, android with talk back is  not bad. and then my mind again 
likes to go for the blackberry key2 with that great physical keyboard which has 
52 short cuts to enhance our productivity.

So I'm confused with all these thoughts.

Friends, if you were me, which smartphone would you go for between these 2? And 
why?
A great physical keyboard  or no physical keyboard?
Android or iOS?

I want the smartphone that I buy  to last me for the next 4 to 5 years at least.
Having invested this amount, I dont want to think about it for the next 4 years 
at least.

So friends, please help me, because some of you have used both android and iOS.
Should I go for Blackberry key2 or iPhone 8 plus?

As I mentioned, One of my relatives  is coming down from the U.S next month and 
I have to tell him about my final decision so that he can go ahead and order 
the phone so that it reaches him in time.
since it is not a small investment, i want to make sure the hard earned money  
is well spent.

Looking forward to many of your valuable inputs,
Apologies to pass on this confusion to you all,
Many thanks in advance for your replies that I'm really looking forward to,
Sincere regards, Rishi.





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Re: [AI] Inaccessiblity of Union Bank's internet banking log in

[Kanchan Pamnani]

Shocking! Since this was the only bank that we could rely upon for 100%
accessibility in certain facilities. 
There are many users. Please would you all confirm Deepak's statement.

Now the time has come for monitoring the implementation. 
If Deepak's statement is fully defendable then lets go for it-here is a good
campaign. 
Kanchan  


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of deepak singla
Sent: 14 June 2018 11:00
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Inaccessiblity of Union Bank's internet banking log in

Hello all
One more bank has made its website inaccessible for visually impaired
persons i.e. Union bank of India.
Earlier I used to have a very good experience in using the internet banking
of Union Bank of India but now, after 11th June 2018 I am not able to even
log in to the internet banking of Union Bank of India.
It will be helpful if anyone can throw some light on this issue.

Looking forward

Regards
Er. Deepak Singla
Assistant Director
Delhi Development Authority




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Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

[Vamshi. G]

Around 28000 .  I would like to mention that i was not required to take out my 
wallet from and back to the airport.   

Regards
Vamshi

> On 14-Jun-2018, at 11:29 AM, George Abraham  wrote:
> 
> How much did it cost?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of vamshi vamshi
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 10:00 AM
> To: accessindia
> Subject: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> I had just taken one more step in the direction of independent living for 
> blind, a tour  alone to Sikkim, Indochina border with Bat travels.  Now I am 
> in euphoria for not just completing my first tour alone, but finding a new 
> way of happy living with  new bunch of friends!
> 
> I took off alone from Banglore airport having all the apprehensions as it was 
> my first time tour without family, friends or known people.  How should I 
> find the cab at Bagdogra airport? What if other sighted tourists are not 
> ready to help me? Will I be left out on a few spots on the tour?  How will I 
> have lunch in a new place?  What if I need to go to wash room?  What if other 
> sighted tourists are not interested in talking to me?  Will it be risky to 
> depend purely on my white cane in hilly places?  Will I enjoy the picturesque 
> beauty of Sikkim as a blind tourist?  Many more like this.  But then, I 
> thought its worth giving a try.  After all, life is all about trying things 
> new.  Isn’t it?
> 
> Day 0
> Getting bonded
> All the group of 8 arrived at Bagdogra airport. Two of us were blind and 
> others being sighted.   Pleasant surprise was that Bat Travel team of Divya 
> and Ritu were there a day in advance to receive us!  Couple of hours after 
> introductions, we found ourselves cracking jokes at each others and pulling 
> each others legs.  We started to Gangtok comfortably seated in two SUVs, good 
> old bollywood music playing and I humming some  songs , more to show that I 
> knew them than to sing well (smile).  River Teesta was along side us as if 
> was showing us the way.   A river is the best friend for blind in nature as 
> it makes sound to  make us feel it.  Bat Travel team was describing the 
> nature around us, the size and shape of trees, height of mountains, how far 
> and low  is the river, the depth of valley, colour of monkeys, a fox that we 
> sighted etc.  It was as good as seeing everything.  By the night, we checked 
> into the hotel at Gangtok and rested after dinner.  And yes, each blind was 
> accompanied by a sighted in the room to orient us.
> 
> Day 1
> We enjoyed a water fall, Sprinkled water on each other and had a few snaps 
> taken.  Then we went to Enchey monastery, with Divya or Ritu describing 
> sculpture and paintings in detail, even letting us have a tactile feel of the 
> Buddhist sculpture, rare leaves, flowers etc.  Contrary to our personalities 
> and the tour, we remained  silent in praying before lord Buddha with a monk 
> chanting beside us.  After that, was the time for the most exciting part of 
> the tour, a rope slide between two mountain clifs, with a water fall beside 
> us and water flowing below  us!  A part of me was hesitant but the stubborn 
> side of me wanted to do it.  I was carefully guided to the clif and was 
> explained how it would be functioning.  Even the staff there ensured all 
> safety measures. But still, to be harnessed to a rope, and sliding from one 
> clif to another  by holding the  rope was one heck of an experience!  They 
> even stop in the middle where we can leave the rope and wave in the air.  At 
> that moment, it was a sense of achievement to think, what if I can’t do 
> certain things like sighted, here I am doing an adventure which many sighted 
> wouldn’t have done!  After having a Sikkimmese lunch with pasta, bamboo 
> shoots, etc., we returned and rested at hotel.
> 
> Day 2
> Time to touch China!  Natulla pass!  14,000 feet height!
> It was all the more tantalizing when we had to wait twice for permits to 
> reach there.   With every passing mile up, the temperature kept dropping and 
> air freezing.  I deliberately refrained from wearing jacket till we reached 
> there to see how it will be like, but only to loose the battle with the 
> weather as by then my hands also started paining.   It was a hike to the top, 
> with either of the bat travel buddies or  sighted friend holding one hand and 
> my white cane in the other.  There were steps, treacherous passes, snow 
> passes, other tourists and what not, but it was a great experience to use the 
> white cane at such a place and reach the peak.  We could see Chinese 
> buildings, flags at the other end.  My impish side got better of me as I 
> poked my cane beyond Indian border and was duly cautioned by the army person 
> against it.  After saluting the army friends, on our way down, we had hot 
> tea, jilebi and popcorn.  We had a few pics and shouted Jayho to India 

Re: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

[George Abraham]

How much did it cost?

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
vamshi vamshi
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 10:00 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Independent tour: Sikkim tour with Bat Travels!

Dear friends,

I had just taken one more step in the direction of independent living for 
blind, a tour  alone to Sikkim, Indochina border with Bat travels.  Now I am in 
euphoria for not just completing my first tour alone, but finding a new way of 
happy living with  new bunch of friends!

I took off alone from Banglore airport having all the apprehensions as it was 
my first time tour without family, friends or known people.  How should I find 
the cab at Bagdogra airport? What if other sighted tourists are not ready to 
help me? Will I be left out on a few spots on the tour?  How will I have lunch 
in a new place?  What if I need to go to wash room?  What if other sighted 
tourists are not interested in talking to me?  Will it be risky to depend 
purely on my white cane in hilly places?  Will I enjoy the picturesque beauty 
of Sikkim as a blind tourist?  Many more like this.  But then, I thought its 
worth giving a try.  After all, life is all about trying things new.  Isn’t it?

Day 0
Getting bonded
All the group of 8 arrived at Bagdogra airport. Two of us were blind and 
others being sighted.   Pleasant surprise was that Bat Travel team of Divya and 
Ritu were there a day in advance to receive us!  Couple of hours after 
introductions, we found ourselves cracking jokes at each others and pulling 
each others legs.  We started to Gangtok comfortably seated in two SUVs, good 
old bollywood music playing and I humming some  songs , more to show that I 
knew them than to sing well (smile).  River Teesta was along side us as if was 
showing us the way.   A river is the best friend for blind in nature as it 
makes sound to  make us feel it.  Bat Travel team was describing the nature 
around us, the size and shape of trees, height of mountains, how far and low  
is the river, the depth of valley, colour of monkeys, a fox that we sighted 
etc.  It was as good as seeing everything.  By the night, we checked into the 
hotel at Gangtok and rested after dinner.  And yes, each blind was accompanied 
by a sighted in the room to orient us.

Day 1
We enjoyed a water fall, Sprinkled water on each other and had a few snaps 
taken.  Then we went to Enchey monastery, with Divya or Ritu describing 
sculpture and paintings in detail, even letting us have a tactile feel of the 
Buddhist sculpture, rare leaves, flowers etc.  Contrary to our personalities 
and the tour, we remained  silent in praying before lord Buddha with a monk 
chanting beside us.  After that, was the time for the most exciting part of the 
tour, a rope slide between two mountain clifs, with a water fall beside us and 
water flowing below  us!  A part of me was hesitant but the stubborn side of me 
wanted to do it.  I was carefully guided to the clif and was explained how it 
would be functioning.  Even the staff there ensured all safety measures. But 
still, to be harnessed to a rope, and sliding from one clif to another  by 
holding the  rope was one heck of an experience!  They even stop in the middle 
where we can leave the rope and wave in the air.  At that moment, it was a 
sense of achievement to think, what if I can’t do certain things like sighted, 
here I am doing an adventure which many sighted wouldn’t have done!  After 
having a Sikkimmese lunch with pasta, bamboo shoots, etc., we returned and 
rested at hotel.

Day 2
Time to touch China!  Natulla pass!  14,000 feet height!
It was all the more tantalizing when we had to wait twice for permits to reach 
there.   With every passing mile up, the temperature kept dropping and air 
freezing.  I deliberately refrained from wearing jacket till we reached there 
to see how it will be like, but only to loose the battle with the weather as by 
then my hands also started paining.   It was a hike to the top, with either of 
the bat travel buddies or  sighted friend holding one hand and my white cane in 
the other.  There were steps, treacherous passes, snow passes, other tourists 
and what not, but it was a great experience to use the white cane at such a 
place and reach the peak.  We could see Chinese buildings, flags at the other 
end.  My impish side got better of me as I poked my cane beyond Indian border 
and was duly cautioned by the army person against it.  After saluting the army 
friends, on our way down, we had hot tea, jilebi and popcorn.  We had a few 
pics and shouted Jayho to India at the border!  On our way down, we stopped at 
beautiful Tsomgo lake to have a yak ride.  Ritu went so far to walk ahead of 
me, or rather the yak to take a video of my ride.

Day 3
From east to west of Sikkim.
We visited Temi  tea gardens on the way to west of Sikkim.  It was planned that 
we will have lunch in the middle of tea bushes!  But