Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

[Josh Luthman]

Do I really want 1 Ubnt part point of failure for every single BH and AP
though...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Seems like I missed a big chunk of the middle of this thread somehow.
>
> A few points, not necessarily relevant to the immediately below comment:
>
>  1) There are lots of 48VDC to 24VDC PoE adapters already on the market.
>  Not the least of which is the UBNT INS-3AF-I-AG, which is 48V/802.3af in
> 24VDC out.   At $22.95 it is cheap enough that I'd personally have to have
> to think twice about designing a product which did exactly this, unless it
> was in a different, more wisp-friendly form factor.
>
> In addition to the above, there are several single PoE injectors on the
> market which take a hardwired 48V in, and spit 24V out.  Or vice versa.
>
> 2)  Yes, power supplies seem to be more expensive at 48VDC.  I'm 100% sure
> that this is because there are significantly fewer options for power supply
> controller IC's at >30V or so.   Plus capacitors get a lot more expensive,
> etc..
>
> 3) In another thread I mentioned that the new control boards on the
> rackinjector would accept either voltage (+ or - 48VDC).   The existing
> injection boards just pass through voltage so +-48VDC in, +-48VDC out.
>  However, the underlying technology I'm using to make the control board
> happy with -48VDC can (according to the datasheet) also handle 24V or 48V
> out at up to about 12W.  I'm in the processes of verifying that this will
> work to power a typical 802.11 based radio.I'm about 85% certain this
> will turn into initially a board for the rackinjector which can take any
> voltage between -60V and +60V (except -10 to +10) and put out 24V or 48V on
> a given port, at up to 12W per port.  Other variations would come shortly
> thereafter.   Assuming a successful implementation, it is still up in the
> air about how you will select your output voltage - it might be buy a board
> for your voltage, or it might be modular and/or jumpers.   Cost will pay a
> big part of this decision.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> What about a magical correct power adapter?  Anything in / anything out,
>> and it knows what to do automatically.
>> Needs a bottle opener on it too.
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: "AFMUG" 
>> Sent: 6/24/2018 9:41:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
>>
>> Not a problem, not cheap.
>>>
>>> What kind of form factor?
>>>
>>> What kind of in and out voltages?  Certainly doable.
>>> I think Forrest has something similar in his latest stuff.
>>>
>>> Would you want it to pull it off of the Ethernet cable and then put it
>>> back on the Ethernet cable at a different voltage?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 4:50 PM
>>> To: AFMUG
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
>>>
>>> oh. or any 48 and makes it +48  i.e pass through if already ok...
>>>
>>> On 06/24/2018 02:45 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>>
 How about a dc-dc poe/SS that takes –48 and converts to +48, 24v etc ?

 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on
 behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
 Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 12:53 PM
 To: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>,
 David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
 Cc: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

 *//*

 */Gino A. Villarini/*

 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 Me too...
 So, what appetite is there for an inline POE regulator that would
 convert 48 to 24?
 *From:* Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:50 AM
 *To:* Dave
 *Cc:* AFMUG
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
 ugh... I keep forgetting to use reply-to-all...
 Not every single UBNT radio... all the airfibers will happily take 48v.
 Mikrotik is finally starting to make most of the new stuff handle 48v
 (including the PowerBox Pro), but yeah. UBNT is the reason I still have to
 use 24v on most of our towers... they make a converter you can stick on in
 line with the radios, but that's kind of a pain if you have more than one
 or two, and it's an extra part to fail.
 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Dave  wrote:

They make dental floss for that  :)


On 06/21/2018 11:39 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>Except for every single Ubnt device and a majority of Mikrotiks
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
>1100 Wayne St
>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
>On Thu, Jun 

[AFMUG] 3,000 Watt 120 volt UPS for external batteries only...

[SmarterBroadband]

Does anyone know of a 120 Volt 3,000 watt (or close, 2,700 watts or more is
needed) UPS that comes with no batteries where we can add a string of 155AH
batteries (Preferably a 48 Volt DC UPS so we can add 4 batteries).

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[chuck]

There is a circuit called a Bob Smith termination associated with the Ethernet 
ports.  
If that termination is facing the world and if they did not put capacitors in 
it, then it could be a source of ground (via 75-120 ohm resistor) to any of the 
wires.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

I'd imagine you'd be fine if you just turn poe-out off on all the ports.


On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  I got hEX PoE because they didn't have any hEX S. Now that I figure out that 
hEX PoE won't work right, they have hEX S in stock. The hEX S has two ports 
that aren't PoE in or out.

  *sigh*




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  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:17:07 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  Ugh. This device is capable of sending PoE.




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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:15:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  No, all ethernet conductors hit a transformer inside the device.  Called phy 
magnetics.  That gives you an electrical isolation between the ethernet circuit 
and the rest of the unit – unless – it is capable of receiving POE over that 
jack.  In that case there is a connection.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:10 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

  Oh, okay, so no concern that some of the Ethernet pins have continuity to 
negative\ground when I've reversed the polarity coming in to compensate for 
using a +48 device in a -48 environment?




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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  If you will not be using shielded cables and the plastic case insulates the 
board ground from the environment, you should be good to go.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:38 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

  Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 

  I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one 
plugged in.

  Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router.

  I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice.




  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks.  I presume they have a little 
metal tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted.
  I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

  When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside?

  https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 



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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  Hard to answer.  Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive.

  Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection.
  If 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Seems like I missed a big chunk of the middle of this thread somehow.

A few points, not necessarily relevant to the immediately below comment:

 1) There are lots of 48VDC to 24VDC PoE adapters already on the market.
 Not the least of which is the UBNT INS-3AF-I-AG, which is 48V/802.3af in
24VDC out.   At $22.95 it is cheap enough that I'd personally have to have
to think twice about designing a product which did exactly this, unless it
was in a different, more wisp-friendly form factor.

In addition to the above, there are several single PoE injectors on the
market which take a hardwired 48V in, and spit 24V out.  Or vice versa.

2)  Yes, power supplies seem to be more expensive at 48VDC.  I'm 100% sure
that this is because there are significantly fewer options for power supply
controller IC's at >30V or so.   Plus capacitors get a lot more expensive,
etc..

3) In another thread I mentioned that the new control boards on the
rackinjector would accept either voltage (+ or - 48VDC).   The existing
injection boards just pass through voltage so +-48VDC in, +-48VDC out.
 However, the underlying technology I'm using to make the control board
happy with -48VDC can (according to the datasheet) also handle 24V or 48V
out at up to about 12W.  I'm in the processes of verifying that this will
work to power a typical 802.11 based radio.I'm about 85% certain this
will turn into initially a board for the rackinjector which can take any
voltage between -60V and +60V (except -10 to +10) and put out 24V or 48V on
a given port, at up to 12W per port.  Other variations would come shortly
thereafter.   Assuming a successful implementation, it is still up in the
air about how you will select your output voltage - it might be buy a board
for your voltage, or it might be modular and/or jumpers.   Cost will pay a
big part of this decision.



On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> What about a magical correct power adapter?  Anything in / anything out,
> and it knows what to do automatically.
> Needs a bottle opener on it too.
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AFMUG" 
> Sent: 6/24/2018 9:41:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
>
> Not a problem, not cheap.
>>
>> What kind of form factor?
>>
>> What kind of in and out voltages?  Certainly doable.
>> I think Forrest has something similar in his latest stuff.
>>
>> Would you want it to pull it off of the Ethernet cable and then put it
>> back on the Ethernet cable at a different voltage?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 4:50 PM
>> To: AFMUG
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
>>
>> oh. or any 48 and makes it +48  i.e pass through if already ok...
>>
>> On 06/24/2018 02:45 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> How about a dc-dc poe/SS that takes –48 and converts to +48, 24v etc ?
>>>
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on
>>> behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
>>> Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 12:53 PM
>>> To: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>,
>>> David Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
>>> Cc: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
>>>
>>> *//*
>>>
>>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>>
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> Me too...
>>> So, what appetite is there for an inline POE regulator that would
>>> convert 48 to 24?
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:50 AM
>>> *To:* Dave
>>> *Cc:* AFMUG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
>>> ugh... I keep forgetting to use reply-to-all...
>>> Not every single UBNT radio... all the airfibers will happily take 48v.
>>> Mikrotik is finally starting to make most of the new stuff handle 48v
>>> (including the PowerBox Pro), but yeah. UBNT is the reason I still have to
>>> use 24v on most of our towers... they make a converter you can stick on in
>>> line with the radios, but that's kind of a pain if you have more than one
>>> or two, and it's an extra part to fail.
>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>
>>>They make dental floss for that  :)
>>>
>>>
>>>On 06/21/2018 11:39 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
Except for every single Ubnt device and a majority of Mikrotiks
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Josh Baird 
wrote:

I promise life will be easier if you just use 48V.  :)
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

I'm trying to use a Powerbox Pro to power up two epmp
APs.  The 5 GHz is just fine but the 2 GHz is saying
current too low.  Both ports are getting 23 volts and the
 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mathew Howard]

I'd imagine you'd be fine if you just turn poe-out off on all the ports.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I got hEX PoE because they didn't have any hEX S. Now that I figure out
> that hEX PoE won't work right, they have hEX S in stock. The hEX S has two
> ports that aren't PoE in or out.
>
> *sigh*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 25, 2018 10:17:07 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> Ugh. This device is capable of sending PoE.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 25, 2018 10:15:54 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> No, all ethernet conductors hit a transformer inside the device.  Called
> phy magnetics.  That gives you an electrical isolation between the ethernet
> circuit and the rest of the unit – unless – it is capable of receiving POE
> over that jack.  In that case there is a connection.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 9:10 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> Oh, okay, so no concern that some of the Ethernet pins have continuity to
> negative\ground when I've reversed the polarity coming in to compensate for
> using a +48 device in a -48 environment?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> If you will not be using shielded cables and the plastic case insulates
> the board ground from the environment, you should be good to go.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 8:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet
> connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal
> around the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic
> standoffs) carry through to the outside of the DC jack.
>
> I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one
> plugged in.
>
> Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know
> what type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the
> negative\ground. I just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the
> board (eight of them for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground.
> Sounds like that idea is out until I can get +48 to the router.
>
> I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch
> to move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west
> would be nice.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 3Ghz 450M promo?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

At worst you should have a total of 80 MHz of spectrum available.  You should 
also have the other 70 MHz of PAL spectrum for two years or more before it is 
auctioned off and put into service.  The question mark is the cost of the SAS.  
I know Cambium is working with a couple of the providers on a deal for their 
customers.  WISPA is trying to explain our business model to them also.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Jun 25, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> So is buying into more Cambium 3G 450M risky for things to come in the next 
> 2-5 years? Is there a risk we are ever booted from our currently designated 
> areas? 
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
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[AFMUG] Cambium 3Ghz 450M promo?

[Jon Langeler]

So is buying into more Cambium 3G 450M risky for things to come in the next 2-5 
years? Is there a risk we are ever booted from our currently designated areas? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


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Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

[Cassidy B. Larson]

But how much is shipping on all those on your sheet? That’s where I usually get 
killed. It drives the price up a bit.

My eBay link has free shipping, and I usually can knock off a couple of bucks 
($5-10/ea) on an offer.

> On Jun 25, 2018, at 1:12 PM,   wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <>
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 11:25 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries
> 
> How about:
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/ybzhdchr 
> 
> The vendor has some other ones similar form factor, higher AH.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking for stuff like this:
>> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/batteries/batteries/item/alphacell-195-gxl-ft
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> The long narrow batteries seem like they would fit nicely in the bottom of a 
>> cabinet.  Front terminals should make installation and service easier.
>> I'm not looking for Gel specifically, just the Alpha ones happen to be gel.
>> 
>> What other sources are there besides Alpha?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Adam
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mike Hammett]

I got hEX PoE because they didn't have any hEX S. Now that I figure out that 
hEX PoE won't work right, they have hEX S in stock. The hEX S has two ports 
that aren't PoE in or out. 

*sigh* 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:17:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


Ugh. This device is capable of sending PoE. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:15:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




No, all ethernet conductors hit a transformer inside the device. Called phy 
magnetics. That gives you an electrical isolation between the ethernet circuit 
and the rest of the unit – unless – it is capable of receiving POE over that 
jack. In that case there is a connection. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:10 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


Oh, okay, so no concern that some of the Ethernet pins have continuity to 
negative\ground when I've reversed the polarity coming in to compensate for 
using a +48 device in a -48 environment? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




If you will not be using shielded cables and the plastic case insulates the 
board ground from the environment, you should be good to go. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:38 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 

I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one plugged 
in. 

Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router. 

I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks. I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted. 
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside? 

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 




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To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 







Hard to answer. Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive. 

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection. 
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load. 
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts. 

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM 
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires. 

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues? 




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Re: [AFMUG] Graphing epmp AP's and SM's

[Josh Luthman]

On Prem let's you do fun stuff with API/Powercode.


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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> off the orig topic, is cnmaestro on premise any gain over the cloud? I
> love the cloud, but if theres more benefit to on premise is jump in
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:44 AM Dave  wrote:
>
>>  thats the ticket for sure..
>> Since I installed CNMaestro on premise I dont have a need for all those.
>> I only use Cacti as long term graph for throughput for historic purposes.
>>
>>
>> On 06/20/2018 11:28 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> Here is what we are graphing for the APs:
>>
>> Data sources:
>>
>>
>>
>> Graphs:
>>
>>
>>
>> We also graph interface utilization.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:55 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> I am only graphing throughput for it now.
>>> If you have mibs to load into a mib viewer you can isolate single OID
>>> and follow cacti's docs on graphing a single OID.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/20/2018 10:04 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> It appears that graphing epmps are a bit harder to do than the 450 SM's.
>>> Anyone have any cacti templates that would work for throughput, signal,
>>> re-reg etc?
>>> thanks
>>> Sam
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

[Eric Kuhnke]

Another major manufacturer of these is SBS (storage battery systems), for
19 and 23" width front terminal telecom type.

http://www.sbsbattery.com/


On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> WE use Northstar reds (100ah)
>
> https://www.northstarbattery.com/product/nsb-100ft-red
> I'll tell you in another five years if they are worth it.
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:58 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure about a proper term, but typically large front-terminal
>> batteries like that are designed for telco applications. The idea is to
>> create a 48 volt bank easily with linking bars between them. Four will fit
>> side-by-side on a battery shelf in a standard 19" rack. And even larger
>> ones for standard 23" racking.
>>
>> Interstate, Deka, and many other mfgs. Probably going to order some Deka
>> Unigy 12AVR100-ET for my next site rebuild with a rectifier.
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2018 12:44 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Yeah that's the stuff.  Is there a proper term for that form factor?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: 6/25/2018 1:25:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries
>>
>> How about:
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/ybzhdchr
>>
>> The vendor has some other ones similar form factor, higher AH.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for stuff like this:
>> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/
>> batteries/batteries/item/alphacell-195-gxl-ft
>>
>> The long narrow batteries seem like they would fit nicely in the bottom
>> of a cabinet.  Front terminals should make installation and service easier.
>> I'm not looking for Gel specifically, just the Alpha ones happen to be
>> gel.
>>
>> What other sources are there besides Alpha?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

[Carl Peterson]

WE use Northstar reds (100ah)

https://www.northstarbattery.com/product/nsb-100ft-red
I'll tell you in another five years if they are worth it.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:58 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Not sure about a proper term, but typically large front-terminal batteries
> like that are designed for telco applications. The idea is to create a 48
> volt bank easily with linking bars between them. Four will fit side-by-side
> on a battery shelf in a standard 19" rack. And even larger ones for
> standard 23" racking.
>
> Interstate, Deka, and many other mfgs. Probably going to order some Deka
> Unigy 12AVR100-ET for my next site rebuild with a rectifier.
>
>
> On 6/25/2018 12:44 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Yeah that's the stuff.  Is there a proper term for that form factor?
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: 6/25/2018 1:25:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries
>
> How about:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/ybzhdchr
>
> The vendor has some other ones similar form factor, higher AH.
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I'm looking for stuff like this:
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-
> catalog/batteries/batteries/item/alphacell-195-gxl-ft
>
> The long narrow batteries seem like they would fit nicely in the bottom of
> a cabinet.  Front terminals should make installation and service easier.
> I'm not looking for Gel specifically, just the Alpha ones happen to be gel.
>
> What other sources are there besides Alpha?
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Apex9 cable on POPs

[Mathew Howard]

We used  that stuff for everything for awhile... as far as I can remember,
we never had any problems with it to speak of.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is this stuff pretty reliable?
> We normally use BBDGE but had to run some EPMP APs in an emergency site
> conversion on the apex9. Im just wondering if its cool to leave it or if I
> should convert
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[AFMUG] Apex9 cable on POPs

[Steve Jones]

Is this stuff pretty reliable?
We normally use BBDGE but had to run some EPMP APs in an emergency site
conversion on the apex9. Im just wondering if its cool to leave it or if I
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Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

[Gino A. Villarini]

Usually called telecom batteries

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>



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mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, June 25, 2018 at 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

Yeah that's the stuff.  Is there a proper term for that form factor?

-Adam


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From: "Cassidy B. Larson" mailto:c...@infowest.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: 6/25/2018 1:25:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

How about:

https://tinyurl.com/ybzhdchr

The vendor has some other ones similar form factor, higher AH.



On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking for stuff like this:
https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/batteries/batteries/item/alphacell-195-gxl-ft

The long narrow batteries seem like they would fit nicely in the bottom of a 
cabinet.  Front terminals should make installation and service easier.
I'm not looking for Gel specifically, just the Alpha ones happen to be gel.

What other sources are there besides Alpha?

Thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

[Cassidy B. Larson]

How about:

https://tinyurl.com/ybzhdchr

The vendor has some other ones similar form factor, higher AH.



> On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:17 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for stuff like this:
> https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/batteries/batteries/item/alphacell-195-gxl-ft
>  
> 
> 
> The long narrow batteries seem like they would fit nicely in the bottom of a 
> cabinet.  Front terminals should make installation and service easier.
> I'm not looking for Gel specifically, just the Alpha ones happen to be gel.
> 
> What other sources are there besides Alpha?
> 
> Thanks,
> Adam
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[AFMUG] Long Narrow Batteries

[Adam Moffett]

I'm looking for stuff like this:
https://www.alpha.ca/solutions/solutions-alpha-catalog/batteries/batteries/item/alphacell-195-gxl-ft

The long narrow batteries seem like they would fit nicely in the bottom 
of a cabinet.  Front terminals should make installation and service 
easier.
I'm not looking for Gel specifically, just the Alpha ones happen to be 
gel.


What other sources are there besides Alpha?

Thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, okay. I feel better about this project, then. 




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- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:10:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




Yep, if you float the load so it has no connection to the environment it 
doesn’t matter what you connect it to for a power supply as long as the voltage 
is correct. I have actually bolted metallic chassis load devices to plywood and 
then put a sign on them saying the chassis in hot in places where we had –48 
but negative ground loads. 




From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:05 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 



This is kind of odd... I was just checking a hEX POE with a meter, and I'm 
getting 24v (using a 24v power supply) when I check between the positive side 
of the power input and the SFP cage, or the shield on the USB port, but I'm 
getting about 9.5v going to the shield on the ethernet ports. 


I'm pretty sure that the RB750UP/hex poe lite (the non-gigabit version) has the 
negative side of the power plug tied directly to ground, but these seem to be a 
bit different. 

Anyway, couldn't you get around the problem by just using non-shielded cat5? 



On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 

I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one plugged 
in. 

Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router. 

I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice. 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks. I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted. 
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside? 

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 







Hard to answer. Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive. 

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection. 
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load. 
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts. 

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM 
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires. 

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues? 




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, okay, so no concern that some of the Ethernet pins have continuity to 
negative\ground when I've reversed the polarity coming in to compensate for 
using a +48 device in a -48 environment? 




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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:04:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




If you will not be using shielded cables and the plastic case insulates the 
board ground from the environment, you should be good to go. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:38 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 

I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one plugged 
in. 

Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router. 

I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks. I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted. 
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside? 

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 







Hard to answer. Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive. 

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection. 
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load. 
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts. 

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM 
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires. 

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues? 




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mike Hammett]

I won't be using shielded cat 5 as it's all indoor anyway. 

I mainly wanted to make sure that when I plugged the router into the DSLAM that 
I didn't smoke an Ethernet port on the DSLAM by having switched polarities on 
the router. 




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From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 10:05:08 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 



This is kind of odd... I was just checking a hEX POE with a meter, and I'm 
getting 24v (using a 24v power supply) when I check between the positive side 
of the power input and the SFP cage, or the shield on the USB port, but I'm 
getting about 9.5v going to the shield on the ethernet ports. 



I'm pretty sure that the RB750UP/hex poe lite (the non-gigabit version) has the 
negative side of the power plug tied directly to ground, but these seem to be a 
bit different. 


Anyway, couldn't you get around the problem by just using non-shielded cat5? 



On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 


I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one plugged 
in. 

Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router. 

I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks. I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted. 
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside? 

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 







Hard to answer. Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive. 

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection. 
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load. 
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts. 

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM 
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires. 

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues? 




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[chuck]

Yep, if you float the load so it has no connection to the environment it 
doesn’t matter what you connect it to for a power supply as long as the voltage 
is correct.  I have actually bolted metallic chassis load devices to plywood 
and then put a sign on them saying the chassis in hot in places where we had 
–48 but negative ground loads.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

This is kind of odd... I was just checking a hEX POE with a meter, and I'm 
getting 24v (using a 24v power supply) when I check between the positive side 
of the power input and the SFP cage, or the shield on the USB port, but I'm 
getting about 9.5v going to the shield on the ethernet ports. 


I'm pretty sure that the RB750UP/hex poe lite (the non-gigabit version) has the 
negative side of the power plug tied directly to ground, but these seem to be a 
bit different.

Anyway, couldn't you get around the problem by just using non-shielded cat5?


On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 

  I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one 
plugged in.

  Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router.

  I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice.




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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks.  I presume they have a little 
metal tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted.
  I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

  When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside?

  https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 



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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


  Hard to answer.  Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive.

  Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection.
  If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the 
power input it is probably a floating load.
  If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts.  

  However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM
  To: AF 
  Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

  I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires.

  Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues?




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mathew Howard]

This is kind of odd... I was just checking a hEX POE with a meter, and I'm
getting 24v (using a 24v power supply) when I check between the positive
side of the power input and the SFP cage, or the shield on the USB port,
but I'm getting about 9.5v going to the shield on the ethernet ports.

I'm pretty sure that the RB750UP/hex poe lite (the non-gigabit version) has
the negative side of the power plug tied directly to ground, but these seem
to be a bit different.

Anyway, couldn't you get around the problem by just using non-shielded cat5?

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet
> connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal
> around the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic
> standoffs) carry through to the outside of the DC jack.
>
> I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one
> plugged in.
>
> Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know
> what type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the
> negative\ground. I just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the
> board (eight of them for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground.
> Sounds like that idea is out until I can get +48 to the router.
>
> I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch
> to move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west
> would be nice.
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks.  I presume they have a little
> metal tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted.
> I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so
> something inside?
>
> https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS
>
>
>
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> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> Hard to answer.  Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not
> conductive.
>
> Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet
> shield connection.
> If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the
> power input it is probably a floating load.
> If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts.
>
> However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then
> it is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM
> *To:* AF
> *Subject:* -48 vDC to 48 vDC
>
> I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing
> the polarity of the power wires.
>
> Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to
> cause issues?
>
>
>
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> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[chuck]

If you will not be using shielded cables and the plastic case insulates the 
board ground from the environment, you should be good to go.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 

I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one plugged 
in.

Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router.

I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks.  I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted.
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside?

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 



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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


Hard to answer.  Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive.

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection.
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load.
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts.  

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires.

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues?




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[Mike Hammett]

Oddly enough, I don't have continuity from the shield around the Ethernet 
connectors to anything, but the USB and SFP cages as well as the metal around 
the mounting holes (which do nothing on a plastic case with plastic standoffs) 
carry through to the outside of the DC jack. 


I can check what has voltage when I'm back to where I actually have one plugged 
in. 

Now, I won't be using shielded cable, just standard cat 5. I don't know what 
type of isolation there is from standard Ethernet to the negative\ground. I 
just checked and the solder points on the bottom of the board (eight of them 
for each Ethernet) do indeed go to negative\ground. Sounds like that idea is 
out until I can get +48 to the router. 

I can make do by stacking VLANs on the SFP and using the DSLAM or switch to 
move the traffic around, but having one port for east and one for west would be 
nice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 9:12:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 




Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks. I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted. 
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside? 

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 







Hard to answer. Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive. 

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection. 
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load. 
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts. 

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM 
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC 


I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires. 

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues? 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Evil Microsoft

[Steve Jones]

Fuck all confusing is an understatement in MS licensing
They are the cheapest feature rich hosted exchange solution out there.
Onenote is the absolute best thing ever
Avoid the hell out of any of the windows 10 office apps, they don't play
ball with any other office programs

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 8:24 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> As someone who has just started with Office 365, this seems much closer to
> my own experiences.
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> *To: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Cc: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 25, 2018 7:36:45 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Evil Microsoft
>
> Office 365 normally does not need your DNS login information.
>
> You can use the online version and it is cheaper upfront but with a
> renewal every year or set of years. You get all of the most recent updates
> etc as they come along.
>
> If you go ‘all in’ with email or not you can just pay for x-amount or
> licenses per year for x-number of employees (again, no need to use the O365
> email service)
>
> Once you get your licenses straightened out (CDW and others will sort this
> for you, usually for free) you get a control center that lets you add,
> remove, block, hold for litigation etc each user account.
>
> This control center also allows you to transfer a license to another
> employee. It is actually a pretty neat control center.
>
> Here is some more info if you take a look:
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/remove-a-former-employee-from-office-365-44d96212-4d90-4027-9aa9-a95eddb367d1
>
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> On Jun 20, 2018, at 10:52,   wrote:
>
>
> Added another desk, computer, employee etc.  Told them to sign up for the
> cloud version of word, excel etc.  MS360 I think.  She told me that it
> needs to verify our domain and asked for Godaddy login info.  Did not think
> anything of it...
> until... all email stopped flowing.
>
> It totally hijacked my zone file.  MX records all changed.  Put a bunch of
> crap in there.  WOW.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[chuck]

Yes, the shields around the ethernet jacks.  I presume they have a little metal 
tab that would engage with a shielded plug if inserted.
I think the USB shield should be connected to internal ground as well.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

When you say chassis, I assume the case, but this is a plastic case, so 
something inside?

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB960PGS 



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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 8:44:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC


Hard to answer.  Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive.

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection.
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load.
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts.  

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires.

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues?




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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

[Adam Moffett]

What about a magical correct power adapter?  Anything in / anything out, 
and it knows what to do automatically.

Needs a bottle opener on it too.
-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AFMUG" 
Sent: 6/24/2018 9:41:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz


Not a problem, not cheap.

What kind of form factor?

What kind of in and out voltages?  Certainly doable.
I think Forrest has something similar in his latest stuff.

Would you want it to pull it off of the Ethernet cable and then put it 
back on the Ethernet cable at a different voltage?



-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 4:50 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

oh. or any 48 and makes it +48  i.e pass through if already ok...

On 06/24/2018 02:45 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

How about a dc-dc poe/SS that takes –48 and converts to +48, 24v etc ?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on 
behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>

Date: Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 12:53 PM
To: Mathew Howard >, David Milholen >

Cc: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Me too...
So, what appetite is there for an inline POE regulator that would 
convert 48 to 24?

*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:50 AM
*To:* Dave
*Cc:* AFMUG
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP voltages again - specifically 2ghz
ugh... I keep forgetting to use reply-to-all...
Not every single UBNT radio... all the airfibers will happily take 
48v. Mikrotik is finally starting to make most of the new stuff handle 
48v (including the PowerBox Pro), but yeah. UBNT is the reason I still 
have to use 24v on most of our towers... they make a converter you can 
stick on in line with the radios, but that's kind of a pain if you 
have more than one or two, and it's an extra part to fail.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Dave  wrote:

   They make dental floss for that  :)


   On 06/21/2018 11:39 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
   Except for every single Ubnt device and a majority of 
Mikrotiks

   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
   On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Josh Baird 
   wrote:

   I promise life will be easier if you just use 48V.  :)
   On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

   I'm trying to use a Powerbox Pro to power up two epmp
   APs.  The 5 GHz is just fine but the 2 GHz is saying
   current too low.  Both ports are getting 23 volts and the
   cables are <10 feet (from the Powerbox Pro).
   Does anyone know if the 2ghz requires more voltage 
possibly?

   Spec sheet does say 23 volts min but it's weird one powers
   (5 ghz) and the other doesn't.
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St


   Suite 1337


   Troy, OH 45373


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Re: [AFMUG] OT debugging MS-DOS batch file

[Adam Moffett]

Yup, F8
http://smallvoid.com/article/bypass-step-through-config-sys.html



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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: 6/25/2018 9:56:51 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT debugging MS-DOS batch file


I have forgotten how to abort a boot sequence in DOS.  Is it ctrl C?

I have a milling machine that uses DOS to load.

I see errors flash by but it is too quick to read.  Tried to video them 
 but it is blurry.


Need to see what they say.  Seems like you could hit f8 repeatedly or 
ctrl C or something to halt the boot sequence.

Then I could manually execute each line of the batch file.

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[AFMUG] OT debugging MS-DOS batch file

[chuck]

I have forgotten how to abort a boot sequence in DOS.  Is it ctrl C?

I have a milling machine that uses DOS to load.

I see errors flash by but it is too quick to read.  Tried to video them  but it 
is blurry.  

Need to see what they say.  Seems like you could hit f8 repeatedly or ctrl C or 
something to halt the boot sequence.
Then I could manually execute each line of the batch file.

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[AFMUG] Fw: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

[chuck]

Hard to answer.  Power up the MT with it resting on something that is not 
conductive.

Measure from both sides of the incoming power to the chassis and ethernet 
shield connection.
If there is no voltage between chassis and shield and either side of the power 
input it is probably a floating load.
If it is a floating load you can hook it up to any source of 48 volts.  

However, if you measure a voltage from chassis to the positive input, then it 
is a negative ground load and will short out a –48 input.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:27 AM
To: AF 
Subject: -48 vDC to 48 vDC

I have a Mikrotik hEX PoE plugged into a telco -48 vDC plant by reversing the 
polarity of the power wires.

Should I expect a cat 5 connection between the router and the DSLAM to cause 
issues?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Evil Microsoft

[Mike Hammett]

As someone who has just started with Office 365, this seems much closer to my 
own experiences. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: "D. Ryan Spott"  
To: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Cc: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 7:36:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Evil Microsoft 

Office 365 normally does not need your DNS login information. 


You can use the online version and it is cheaper upfront but with a renewal 
every year or set of years. You get all of the most recent updates etc as they 
come along. 


If you go ‘all in’ with email or not you can just pay for x-amount or licenses 
per year for x-number of employees (again, no need to use the O365 email 
service) 


Once you get your licenses straightened out (CDW and others will sort this for 
you, usually for free) you get a control center that lets you add, remove, 
block, hold for litigation etc each user account. 


This control center also allows you to transfer a license to another employee. 
It is actually a pretty neat control center. 


Here is some more info if you take a look: 
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/remove-a-former-employee-from-office-365-44d96212-4d90-4027-9aa9-a95eddb367d1
 


ryan 



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On Jun 20, 2018, at 10:52, < ch...@wbmfg.com > < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 








Added another desk, computer, employee etc. Told them to sign up for the cloud 
version of word, excel etc. MS360 I think. She told me that it needs to verify 
our domain and asked for Godaddy login info. Did not think anything of it... 
until... all email stopped flowing. 

It totally hijacked my zone file. MX records all changed. Put a bunch of crap 
in there. WOW. 
Password is not changed, I think I have cut out all of the offending crap. 
Email is flowing again. 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Evil Microsoft

[D. Ryan Spott]

Office 365 normally does not need your DNS login information. 

You can use the online version and it is cheaper upfront but with a renewal 
every year or set of years. You get all of the most recent updates etc as they 
come along.

If you go ‘all in’ with email or not you can just pay for x-amount or licenses 
per year for x-number of employees (again, no need to use the O365 email 
service)

Once you get your licenses straightened out (CDW and others will sort this for 
you, usually for free) you get a control center that lets you add, remove, 
block, hold for litigation etc each user account. 

This control center also allows you to transfer a license to another employee. 
It is actually a pretty neat control center.

Here is some more info if you take a look: 
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/remove-a-former-employee-from-office-365-44d96212-4d90-4027-9aa9-a95eddb367d1

ryan

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> On Jun 20, 2018, at 10:52,   wrote:
> 
> 
> Added another desk, computer, employee etc.  Told them to sign up for the 
> cloud version of word, excel etc.  MS360 I think.  She told me that it needs 
> to verify our domain and asked for Godaddy login info.  Did not think 
> anything of it...
> until... all email stopped flowing. 
>  
> It totally hijacked my zone file.  MX records all changed.  Put a bunch of 
> crap in there.  WOW. 
> Password is not changed, I think I have cut out all of the offending crap.  
> Email is flowing again.  
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