Re: [AFMUG] Virtual fiber

[Tim Withrow via AF]

"virtual fiber works by using wireless signals to connect customers to the 
internet."

"Though the technology FiberXstream uses is available to the mass market"

Sounds like someone has great ambitions and has got overzealous with marketing 
rhetoric for a wireless network.
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 TJ Trout  wrote:
Anyone know what virtual fiber is and why it's harder to deploy than 
traditional fiber?? 藍藍
https://tdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/tdn.com/news/local/homegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark/article_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Ftdn.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fhomegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark%2Farticle_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.html
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[AFMUG] Virtual fiber

[TJ Trout]

Anyone know what virtual fiber is and why it's harder to deploy than
traditional fiber?? 藍藍

https://tdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/tdn.com/news/local/homegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark/article_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2_gsa=1=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com_tf=From%20%251%24s=https%3A%2F%2Ftdn.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fhomegrown-internet-provider-brings-castle-rock-area-out-of-dark%2Farticle_d3d8dc39-f1e8-5b19-8735-efd262fcdc2d.html
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Re: [AFMUG] 2019

[Colin Stanners]

I'm on a vacation overseas and just now waking up from a crzy new
year's party... (it's nice to have great help that is monitoring the
network for me.)

Thanks for everyone on AFMUG for being such an insightful, friendly,
helpful and hard-working community.

Between the conferences in SLC years ago and this mailing list, the
extensive information and experience here have helped so many people
advance their wireless and fiber-related projects/businesses, it's great.

Let's keep on walking forward together into 2019.


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 1:44 PM Robert  Happy New Years all you crazy super-nerds!
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[AFMUG] 2019

[Robert]

Happy New Years all you crazy super-nerds!

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[AFMUG] OT fun

[Chuck McCown]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Mark Radabaugh]

I was really excited to find the Who’s ‘Who’s Next’ on CD when it came out came 
out because the record always sounded like shit - lots of hiss and noise.   And 
then I played the CD.   OK, I’ll give them credit - it wasn’t the record that 
sounded like shit, it was the master tapes.   Hiss perfectly rendered in 
digital.   Arg.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 11:18 AM, David Hannum  wrote:
> 
> OK - this goes back to the mid 1980's but I had a friend of mine who worked 
> at the time in the recording industry, go with me to pick out a system - 
> receiver, turn table, cassette recorder and speakers. (Yes, cassette recorder 
> - I told you it was mid-80's)  We walked out with Bose 301 bookshelf 
> speakers.  He said for the money, they were by far the best.  I loved them!   
> I also remember that the day I was in the shop purchasing my system, a sales 
> rep was in there showing the store the next great thing for music - Compact 
> Discs.  He had a player and a recording of Paul McCartney's "No More Lonely 
> Nights" and everyone was just amazed and the difference in quality between 
> vinyl and the CD.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:21 AM Josh Baird  > wrote:
> I -do- use Bose headphones (SoundSport earbuds) and I'm generally pretty 
> happy with them.  Super comfortable (most earbuds don't stay in my ears or 
> hurt).
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:16 AM Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> I have Bose headphones (QC15 noise cancelling ones).  They always surprise me 
> how much better it is than anything else.  I primarily got them for when I 
> fly (of which they work phenomenally - didn't know where there was a 
> screaming baby behind me until the flight attendant offered me ear plugs).
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> A decent set of headphones should sound better than 99% of speakers.  Welcome 
> to the 1%.
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of David Hannum
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 8:25 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
> 
>  
> 
> I'm the 99% too . . .  - I love music, but I don't have time, or desire any 
> more, to be an "audiophile" - I can't take listening to music on phone 
> speaker or laptop speakers, but I can take headphones on either and I'm good 
> with XM in the car.  Works for me!
> 
>  
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:11 AM Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> 
> I am the 99%
> 
>  
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:56 AM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> Maybe the lesson is to know your market. "Most people" are not audiophiles, 
> and "most people" probably have a taste for how music should sound. Credit 
> Bose for figuring out what people like, and tailoring their product to 
> provide it. The fact that they can do it with pedestrian components is a 
> feather in their cap (and a plus to their bottom line).
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 12/28/2018 11:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> 
> Bose is excellent at Turd-Polishing.
> 
>  
> 
> Let me explain:   Where a traditional provider might go and buy proper 
> drivers with good response throughout the frequency range, and take care in 
> designing a crossover, etc, when designing a speaker, Bose is more about 
> taking reasonably ok speaker elements and then using signal processing to 
> clean them up.   If they have a bit of a weak spot say at the high or low 
> end, they will boost those with dynamic equalization.   If there is some 
> phase distortion, often this can be cleaned up with DSP processing.  And so 
> on.   
> 
>  
> 
> Often this results in a better-sounding speaker than a traditional system.
> But this is not without compromise as sometimes the result is not as 'pure' 
> as a decently designed traditional system.  But for 99% of the people out 
> there it's going to sound perfectly acceptable if not just as good as the 
> expensive system.  In some cases, you'd even find that many people prefer the 
> sound from the Bose system since Bose often seems to optimize for the average 
> listener's preferences instead of what a "true audiophile" would choose.   
> Where an audiophile would look for flatness and purity, an average person 
> just wants something which sounds pleasing with most things they'll play 
> through it.   If the system colors the playback a bit, but it sounds better, 
> most people won't care.
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:02 AM Josh Luthman  > wrote:
> 
> People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with 

Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Ken Hohhof]

If you’re ever in the Chicago area, you’ll have to visit American Science and 
Surplus.  The crazy signs they put on the bins are half the fun.  Like a bin of 
surplus rubber gloves will be labeled “inflatable turkeys”.

https://www.sciplus.com/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

The one labeled “Raw Meat” was my favorite.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:48 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

I’m imagining all the labeled boxes on shelves at M5 Industries.  They never 
seemed to be in alphabetical order though, not sure how Jamie found stuff.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing 
directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building.  Like they do on 
the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could 
be injected into the engine of a jet.  

 

After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools.  Looked like we opened 
our own Harbor Freight.  I did this about a year ago with same results but that 
time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again.  
This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer.  Now, if I want 
an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it.  In 
theory.  

 

I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

I'd like feedback on them as well.

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss.



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From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, 
MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

 

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes.

 

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies.  

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

 

Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Chuck McCown]

The one labeled “Raw Meat” was my favorite.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

I’m imagining all the labeled boxes on shelves at M5 Industries.  They never 
seemed to be in alphabetical order though, not sure how Jamie found stuff.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing 
directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building.  Like they do on 
the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could 
be injected into the engine of a jet.  

 

After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools.  Looked like we opened 
our own Harbor Freight.  I did this about a year ago with same results but that 
time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again.  
This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer.  Now, if I want 
an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it.  In 
theory.  

 

I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

I'd like feedback on them as well.

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, 
MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

 

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes.

 

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies.  

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Chuck McCown]

No but my dad did once on a bulldozer.  Didn't help.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

Curious if you ever pulled the "build a fire under it" trick to get it
started in the super cold?

On 12/31/2018 10:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If I have a large diesel out in the back lot on a day when the temps are 
hitting 0 degrees, I need all the cranking I can get.  Alternators 
frequently go up to 16 volts.  I will have some cable voltage drop. And 
you do want to spin the motor faster than normal when cold cranking a 
cranky diesel.  Especially if you have run some thing out of fuel on a job 
site.  I have had to crank a backhoe a half hour to get it to go, and that 
is after cracking open all the injector lines.
I remember back on the farm, our old 6 volt John Deere wheel tractor got 
much more well behaved when we put an 8 volt battery in it and adjusted 
the generator to charge at 9 volts.

Say you want to deliver 300 amps to a bulldozer
0 gauge wire has 10 milli ohm for 100 loop feet.
Times 300 amps leaves us with 3 volt drop.
So my 18 volt battery pack is now 15 volts.  Should spin the engine 
nicely.
I will probably do 16 volts.  Like to know how much voltage those booster 
starters put out.  The only way they can give you more amps is to give you 
more volts.  I’ll bet they hit 16 if not 18 volts when in the boost 
position.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 11:00 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

Why the extra voltage?  Compensate for resistance of long cable?  Might be 
safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire.


Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am 
cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen.  Getting sprayed with 
sulfuric acid is not fun.  I guess if you follow the last connection to 
the chassis rule you are OK.  But the idea of using an 18 volt battery 
would scare me.  And is it really necessary?


If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery 
charger.  Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most 
cars will start even with a weak battery.  But you are looking for a 
portable system.  Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that 
they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries.  I haven’t 
tried it.  Need the special cable.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.

bp




On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for
plumbing and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for
machine shop.  On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift
battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you
couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also
the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown
prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it
in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  The
question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am
considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these.  One I
think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting
around the shop.  I know auto systems can take 16 volts without
issue. Is 18 too much?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year. I 
also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in

like ten different colors.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown 
wrote:

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used
tool chests.  Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents
per cubic inch etc.

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings
and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower
than the used pricing on name brand boxes.

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one
for electrical tools and supplies.

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least,
for now, they are rolling nice.  The steel is not any
thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball bearing drawer
slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and
craftsman boxes I have.

Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m imagining all the labeled boxes on shelves at M5 Industries.  They never 
seemed to be in alphabetical order though, not sure how Jamie found stuff.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing 
directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building.  Like they do on 
the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could 
be injected into the engine of a jet.  

 

After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools.  Looked like we opened 
our own Harbor Freight.  I did this about a year ago with same results but that 
time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again.  
This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer.  Now, if I want 
an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it.  In 
theory.  

 

I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

I'd like feedback on them as well.

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss.



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From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, 
MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

 

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes.

 

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies.  

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

 

Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Robert Andrews]

Curious if you ever pulled the "build a fire under it" trick to get it 
started in the super cold?


On 12/31/2018 10:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If I have a large diesel out in the back lot on a day when the temps are 
hitting 0 degrees, I need all the cranking I can get.  Alternators 
frequently go up to 16 volts.  I will have some cable voltage drop. And 
you do want to spin the motor faster than normal when cold cranking a 
cranky diesel.  Especially if you have run some thing out of fuel on a 
job site.  I have had to crank a backhoe a half hour to get it to go, 
and that is after cracking open all the injector lines.
I remember back on the farm, our old 6 volt John Deere wheel tractor got 
much more well behaved when we put an 8 volt battery in it and adjusted 
the generator to charge at 9 volts.

Say you want to deliver 300 amps to a bulldozer
0 gauge wire has 10 milli ohm for 100 loop feet.
Times 300 amps leaves us with 3 volt drop.
So my 18 volt battery pack is now 15 volts.  Should spin the engine nicely.
I will probably do 16 volts.  Like to know how much voltage those 
booster starters put out.  The only way they can give you more amps is 
to give you more volts.  I’ll bet they hit 16 if not 18 volts when in 
the boost position.

*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 11:00 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

Why the extra voltage?  Compensate for resistance of long cable?  Might 
be safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire.


Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am 
cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen.  Getting sprayed with 
sulfuric acid is not fun.  I guess if you follow the last connection to  
the chassis rule you are OK.  But the idea of using an 18 volt battery 
would scare me.  And is it really necessary?


If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery 
charger.  Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and 
most cars will start even with a weak battery.  But you are looking for 
a portable system.  Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output 
that they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries.  I 
haven’t tried it.  Need the special cable.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.

bp



  


On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for
plumbing and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for
machine shop.  On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift
battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you
couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also
the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown
prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it
in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  The
question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am
considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these.  One I
think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting
around the shop.  I know auto systems can take 16 volts without
issue. Is 18 too much?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year. 
I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in

like ten different colors.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown 
wrote:

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used
tool chests.  Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents
per cubic inch etc.

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings
and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower
than the used pricing on name brand boxes.

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one
for electrical tools and supplies.

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least,
for now, they are rolling nice.  The steel is not any
thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball bearing drawer
slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and
craftsman boxes I have.

Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.

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The minions say that the chests are largely totally assembled.  One of them had 
to have the wheels put on, the other was totally assembled.  

But you could put it on the roof of the Corolla, get a buddy and each of you 
put a arm out the window and hold it as you drive.  

From: Andrew Haninger 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

I'm curious - are any of these chests self assemble-able or do they all come 
preassembled? 

I've considered getting one for my home but I don't think I could fit one in my 
Corolla unless it was in smaller pieces.

Also

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 13:01 Ken Hohhof  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
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  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests



  If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.



bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for 
plumbing and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop.  On 
a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad 
cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger 
without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on 
charge and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery 
system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  
The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am considering 18 
volts.  Enough cells to make two of these.  One I think I will make forkball 
with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop.  I know auto systems can 
take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

  Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also 
thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors.



  On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  
Snap-On, MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  



Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked 
out their tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name 
brand boxes.



So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for 
electrical tools and supplies.  

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, 
they are rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  
The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

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I think if we were to properly lay out space for each tool instead of throwing 
everything in a drawer however you can get it to fit so the drawer closes, we'd 
double our space needs. Hence, looking at maybe getting another tool box. 




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From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:31:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests 




We organized our machine shop tool box years ago. Foam cutouts for mics and 
calipers etc etc. It has stayed remarkably intact and organized. Place for 
everything and labels on the drawers has seemingly made all the difference. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests 


I'd like feedback on them as well. 

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. 




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From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests 




For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, 
MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. 

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes. 

So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies. 
Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

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We organized our machine shop tool box years ago.  Foam cutouts for mics and 
calipers etc etc.  It has stayed remarkably intact and organized.  Place for 
everything and labels on the drawers has seemingly made all the difference.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

I'd like feedback on them as well.

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss.




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From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests


For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, 
MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes.

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies.  
Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Chuck McCown]

Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing 
directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building.  Like they do on 
the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could 
be injected into the engine of a jet.  

After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools.  Looked like we opened 
our own Harbor Freight.  I did this about a year ago with same results but that 
time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again.  
This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer.  Now, if I want 
an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it.  In 
theory.  

I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

I'd like feedback on them as well.

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss.




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From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests


For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, 
MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes.

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies.  
Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

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[Chuck McCown]

You need to assemble.  I had the minions do it so I don’t know how involved it 
was.  But they sure look great.  


From: Andrew Haninger 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:15 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

I'm curious - are any of these chests self assemble-able or do they all come 
preassembled? 

I've considered getting one for my home but I don't think I could fit one in my 
Corolla unless it was in smaller pieces.

Also

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 13:01 Ken Hohhof  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
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  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests



  If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.



bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for 
plumbing and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop.  On 
a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad 
cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger 
without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on 
charge and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery 
system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  
The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am considering 18 
volts.  Enough cells to make two of these.  One I think I will make forkball 
with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop.  I know auto systems can 
take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

  Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also 
thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors.



  On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  
Snap-On, MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  



Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked 
out their tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name 
brand boxes.



So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for 
electrical tools and supplies.  

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, 
they are rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  
The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Mike Hammett]

I'd like feedback on them as well. 

My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm 
going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes 
towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. 




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From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests 




For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, 
MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. 

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes. 

So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies. 
Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have. 

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[Chuck McCown]

If I have a large diesel out in the back lot on a day when the temps are 
hitting 0 degrees, I need all the cranking I can get.  Alternators frequently 
go up to 16 volts.  I will have some cable voltage drop.  And you do want to 
spin the motor faster than normal when cold cranking a cranky diesel.  
Especially if you have run some thing out of fuel on a job site.  I have had to 
crank a backhoe a half hour to get it to go, and that is after cracking open 
all the injector lines.  

I remember back on the farm, our old 6 volt John Deere wheel tractor got much 
more well behaved when we put an 8 volt battery in it and adjusted the 
generator to charge at 9 volts.   

Say you want to deliver 300 amps to a bulldozer
0 gauge wire has 10 milli ohm for 100 loop feet.  
Times 300 amps leaves us with 3 volt drop.  
So my 18 volt battery pack is now 15 volts.  Should spin the engine nicely.  

I will probably do 16 volts.  Like to know how much voltage those booster 
starters put out.  The only way they can give you more amps is to give you more 
volts.  I’ll bet they hit 16 if not 18 volts when in the boost position.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:00 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

Why the extra voltage?  Compensate for resistance of long cable?  Might be 
safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire.

 

Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am 
cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen.  Getting sprayed with sulfuric 
acid is not fun.  I guess if you follow the last connection to  the chassis 
rule you are OK.  But the idea of using an 18 volt battery would scare me.  And 
is it really necessary?

 

If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery charger.  
Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most cars will 
start even with a weak battery.  But you are looking for a portable system.  
Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that they say you can use 
for starting cars or charging batteries.  I haven’t tried it.  Need the special 
cable.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.

 

bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing 
and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop.  On a 
different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad 
cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger 
without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on 
charge and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery 
system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  
The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am considering 18 
volts.  Enough cells to make two of these.  One I think I will make forkball 
with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop.  I know auto systems can 
take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also 
thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors.

 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  
Snap-On, MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

   

  Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out 
their tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name 
brand boxes.

   

  So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical 
tools and supplies.  

  Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, 
they are rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  
The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

   

  Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.  

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[Andrew Haninger]

I'm curious - are any of these chests self assemble-able or do they all
come preassembled?

I've considered getting one for my home but I don't think I could fit one
in my Corolla unless it was in smaller pieces.

Also

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 13:01 Ken Hohhof  Why the extra voltage?  Compensate for resistance of long cable?  Might be
> safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire.
>
>
>
> Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am
> cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen.  Getting sprayed with
> sulfuric acid is not fun.  I guess if you follow the last connection to
> the chassis rule you are OK.  But the idea of using an 18 volt battery
> would scare me.  And is it really necessary?
>
>
>
> If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery
> charger.  Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most
> cars will start even with a weak battery.  But you are looking for a
> portable system.  Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that
> they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries.  I haven’t
> tried it.  Need the special cable.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests
>
>
>
> If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for
> plumbing and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for machine
> shop.  On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old
> one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it
> on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was
> always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss
> man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’
> of welding cables.  The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least
> but I am considering 18 volts.  Enough cells to make two of these.  One I
> think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the
> shop.  I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also
> thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different
> colors.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.
> Snap-On, MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.
>
>
>
> Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out
> their tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name
> brand boxes.
>
>
>
> So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical
> tools and supplies.
>
> Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they
> are rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The
> ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and
> craftsman boxes I have.
>
>
>
> Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.
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Why the extra voltage?  Compensate for resistance of long cable?  Might be 
safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire.

 

Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am 
cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen.  Getting sprayed with sulfuric 
acid is not fun.  I guess if you follow the last connection to  the chassis 
rule you are OK.  But the idea of using an 18 volt battery would scare me.  And 
is it really necessary?

 

If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery charger.  
Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most cars will 
start even with a weak battery.  But you are looking for a portable system.  
Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that they say you can use 
for starting cars or charging batteries.  I haven’t tried it.  Need the special 
cable.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

 

If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it.

 

bp

 

On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing 
and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop.  On a 
different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad 
cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger 
without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on 
charge and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery 
system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  
The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am considering 18 
volts.  Enough cells to make two of these.  One I think I will make forkball 
with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop.  I know auto systems can 
take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also thought 
it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors.

 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, 
MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  

 

Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their 
tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand 
boxes.

 

So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools 
and supplies.  

Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are 
rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The ball 
bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
craftsman boxes I have.  

 

Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I thought ya'll broke my email :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Coudron 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?


  Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 

   

  Happy New Year everyone.

   

  Regards,

   

  David Coudron

   

   

   

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  Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

[Jason McKemie]

One of my favs:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_biVuYFlfreo/S-2DpFWlsXI/BRM/BEXorx0l7cA/s1600/Why+do+people+slow+down.jpg

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:32 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>
> https://www.gocomics.com/comics/lists/1715187/calvin-and-hobbes-new-years-resolutions
>
>
>
> https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/12/29
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
>
>
> Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Jason McKemie]

I still have a pair of Beyerdynamic studio headphones from when I was doing
sound design. I love the accurate or "flat" sound that they have.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 8:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> A decent set of headphones should sound better than 99% of speakers.
> Welcome to the 1%.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 8:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>
>
>
> I'm the 99% too . . .  - I love music, but I don't have time, or desire
> any more, to be an "audiophile" - I can't take listening to music on phone
> speaker or laptop speakers, but I can take headphones on either and I'm
> good with XM in the car.  Works for me!
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:11 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I am the 99%
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Maybe the lesson is to know your market. "Most people" are not
> audiophiles, and "most people" probably have a taste for how music should
> sound. Credit Bose for figuring out what people like, and tailoring their
> product to provide it. The fact that they can do it with pedestrian
> components is a feather in their cap (and a plus to their bottom line).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2018 11:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Bose is excellent at Turd-Polishing.
>
>
>
> Let me explain:   Where a traditional provider might go and buy proper
> drivers with good response throughout the frequency range, and take care in
> designing a crossover, etc, when designing a speaker, Bose is more about
> taking reasonably ok speaker elements and then using signal processing to
> clean them up.   If they have a bit of a weak spot say at the high or low
> end, they will boost those with dynamic equalization.   If there is some
> phase distortion, often this can be cleaned up with DSP processing.  And so
> on.
>
>
>
> Often this results in a better-sounding speaker than a traditional system.
>But this is not without compromise as sometimes the result is not as
> 'pure' as a decently designed traditional system.  But for 99% of the
> people out there it's going to sound perfectly acceptable if not just as
> good as the expensive system.  In some cases, you'd even find that many
> people prefer the sound from the Bose system since Bose often seems to
> optimize for the average listener's preferences instead of what a "true
> audiophile" would choose.   Where an audiophile would look for flatness and
> purity, an average person just wants something which sounds pleasing with
> most things they'll play through it.   If the system colors the playback a
> bit, but it sounds better, most people won't care.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:02 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with Bose in
> all the cars I've had it in as well as the "sound box" in the house.  I'm
> definitely not an audiophile, though.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate
> in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and
> it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium
> HK stock system.
>
>
>
> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree
> with me.
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
> cars with XM.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
> of time for free.
>
> Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s
> compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription
> for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about
  it.


bp



On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one
  for plumbing and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for
  machine shop.  On a different subject, finally got a newish
  forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered.
  Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking
  overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge
  and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper
  battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’
  of welding cables.  The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts
  at least but I am considering 18 volts.  Enough cells to make two
  of these.  One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer
  for jump starting around the shop.  I know auto systems can take
  16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy 
wrote:

  
  

  Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the
shop this year.  I also thought it was pretty cool that they
now sell them in like ten different colors.
  
  
  
On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown
   wrote:


  

  
For the past year I have been monitoring
  pricing on used tool chests.  Snap-On, MAC etc. 
  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.  
 
Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some
  air fittings and checked out their tool chests. 
  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on
  name brand boxes.    
 
So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic
  tools one for electrical tools and supplies.  
Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing
  but at least, for now, they are rolling nice.  The
  steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. 
  The ball bearing drawer slides are better than
  some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I
  have.  
 
Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool
  chests.  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing 
and pneumatic I think.  I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop.  On a 
different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad 
cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger 
without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on 
charge and would shutdown prematurely.  Gonna build a boss man jumper battery 
system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables.  
The question is: how much voltage?  16 volts at least but I am considering 18 
volts.  Enough cells to make two of these.  One I think I will make forkball 
with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop.  I know auto systems can 
take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also 
> thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different 
> colors.
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.  
>> Snap-On, MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. 
>>  
>> Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out 
>> their tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name 
>> brand boxes.   
>>  
>> So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical 
>> tools and supplies. 
>> Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they 
>> are rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The 
>> ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and 
>> craftsman boxes I have. 
>>  
>> Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests

[Jeremy]

Yeah, pretty nice chests.  I bought one for the shop this year.  I also
thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different
colors.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests.
> Snap-On, MAC etc.  Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc.
>
> Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out
> their tool chests.  Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name
> brand boxes.
>
> So I bought a couple of them.  One for mechanic tools one for electrical
> tools and supplies.
> Pretty nice.  The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they
> are rolling nice.  The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes.  The
> ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and
> craftsman boxes I have.
>
> Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests.
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.gocomics.com/comics/lists/1715187/calvin-and-hobbes-new-years-resolutions

 

https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/12/29

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 

 

Happy New Year everyone.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 

 

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Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Josh Baird]

I -do- use Bose headphones (SoundSport earbuds) and I'm generally pretty
happy with them.  Super comfortable (most earbuds don't stay in my ears or
hurt).

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 10:16 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I have Bose headphones (QC15 noise cancelling ones).  They always surprise
> me how much better it is than anything else.  I primarily got them for when
> I fly (of which they work phenomenally - didn't know where there was a
> screaming baby behind me until the flight attendant offered me ear plugs).
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> A decent set of headphones should sound better than 99% of speakers.
>> Welcome to the 1%.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 8:25 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm the 99% too . . .  - I love music, but I don't have time, or desire
>> any more, to be an "audiophile" - I can't take listening to music on phone
>> speaker or laptop speakers, but I can take headphones on either and I'm
>> good with XM in the car.  Works for me!
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:11 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am the 99%
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the lesson is to know your market. "Most people" are not
>> audiophiles, and "most people" probably have a taste for how music should
>> sound. Credit Bose for figuring out what people like, and tailoring their
>> product to provide it. The fact that they can do it with pedestrian
>> components is a feather in their cap (and a plus to their bottom line).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2018 11:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Bose is excellent at Turd-Polishing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me explain:   Where a traditional provider might go and buy proper
>> drivers with good response throughout the frequency range, and take care in
>> designing a crossover, etc, when designing a speaker, Bose is more about
>> taking reasonably ok speaker elements and then using signal processing to
>> clean them up.   If they have a bit of a weak spot say at the high or low
>> end, they will boost those with dynamic equalization.   If there is some
>> phase distortion, often this can be cleaned up with DSP processing.  And so
>> on.
>>
>>
>>
>> Often this results in a better-sounding speaker than a traditional
>> system.But this is not without compromise as sometimes the result is
>> not as 'pure' as a decently designed traditional system.  But for 99% of
>> the people out there it's going to sound perfectly acceptable if not just
>> as good as the expensive system.  In some cases, you'd even find that many
>> people prefer the sound from the Bose system since Bose often seems to
>> optimize for the average listener's preferences instead of what a "true
>> audiophile" would choose.   Where an audiophile would look for flatness and
>> purity, an average person just wants something which sounds pleasing with
>> most things they'll play through it.   If the system colors the playback a
>> bit, but it sounds better, most people won't care.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:02 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with Bose in
>> all the cars I've had it in as well as the "sound box" in the house.  I'm
>> definitely not an audiophile, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate
>> in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and
>> it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium
>> HK stock system.
>>
>>
>>
>> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree
>> with me.
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
>> cars with XM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
>> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Josh Luthman]

I have Bose headphones (QC15 noise cancelling ones).  They always surprise
me how much better it is than anything else.  I primarily got them for when
I fly (of which they work phenomenally - didn't know where there was a
screaming baby behind me until the flight attendant offered me ear plugs).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> A decent set of headphones should sound better than 99% of speakers.
> Welcome to the 1%.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 8:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio
>
>
>
> I'm the 99% too . . .  - I love music, but I don't have time, or desire
> any more, to be an "audiophile" - I can't take listening to music on phone
> speaker or laptop speakers, but I can take headphones on either and I'm
> good with XM in the car.  Works for me!
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:11 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I am the 99%
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Maybe the lesson is to know your market. "Most people" are not
> audiophiles, and "most people" probably have a taste for how music should
> sound. Credit Bose for figuring out what people like, and tailoring their
> product to provide it. The fact that they can do it with pedestrian
> components is a feather in their cap (and a plus to their bottom line).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2018 11:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Bose is excellent at Turd-Polishing.
>
>
>
> Let me explain:   Where a traditional provider might go and buy proper
> drivers with good response throughout the frequency range, and take care in
> designing a crossover, etc, when designing a speaker, Bose is more about
> taking reasonably ok speaker elements and then using signal processing to
> clean them up.   If they have a bit of a weak spot say at the high or low
> end, they will boost those with dynamic equalization.   If there is some
> phase distortion, often this can be cleaned up with DSP processing.  And so
> on.
>
>
>
> Often this results in a better-sounding speaker than a traditional system.
>But this is not without compromise as sometimes the result is not as
> 'pure' as a decently designed traditional system.  But for 99% of the
> people out there it's going to sound perfectly acceptable if not just as
> good as the expensive system.  In some cases, you'd even find that many
> people prefer the sound from the Bose system since Bose often seems to
> optimize for the average listener's preferences instead of what a "true
> audiophile" would choose.   Where an audiophile would look for flatness and
> purity, an average person just wants something which sounds pleasing with
> most things they'll play through it.   If the system colors the playback a
> bit, but it sounds better, most people won't care.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:02 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with Bose in
> all the cars I've had it in as well as the "sound box" in the house.  I'm
> definitely not an audiophile, though.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate
> in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and
> it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium
> HK stock system.
>
>
>
> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree
> with me.
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the
> cars with XM.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what
> you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period
> of time for free.
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[Ken Hohhof]

A decent set of headphones should sound better than 99% of speakers.  Welcome 
to the 1%.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 8:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

 

I'm the 99% too . . .  - I love music, but I don't have time, or desire any 
more, to be an "audiophile" - I can't take listening to music on phone speaker 
or laptop speakers, but I can take headphones on either and I'm good with XM in 
the car.  Works for me!

 

Dave

 

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:11 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I am the 99%


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:56 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Maybe the lesson is to know your market. "Most people" are not audiophiles, and 
"most people" probably have a taste for how music should sound. Credit Bose for 
figuring out what people like, and tailoring their product to provide it. The 
fact that they can do it with pedestrian components is a feather in their cap 
(and a plus to their bottom line).

 

bp

 

On 12/28/2018 11:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Bose is excellent at Turd-Polishing.

 

Let me explain:   Where a traditional provider might go and buy proper drivers 
with good response throughout the frequency range, and take care in designing a 
crossover, etc, when designing a speaker, Bose is more about taking reasonably 
ok speaker elements and then using signal processing to clean them up.   If 
they have a bit of a weak spot say at the high or low end, they will boost 
those with dynamic equalization.   If there is some phase distortion, often 
this can be cleaned up with DSP processing.  And so on.   

 

Often this results in a better-sounding speaker than a traditional system.
But this is not without compromise as sometimes the result is not as 'pure' as 
a decently designed traditional system.  But for 99% of the people out there 
it's going to sound perfectly acceptable if not just as good as the expensive 
system.  In some cases, you'd even find that many people prefer the sound from 
the Bose system since Bose often seems to optimize for the average listener's 
preferences instead of what a "true audiophile" would choose.   Where an 
audiophile would look for flatness and purity, an average person just wants 
something which sounds pleasing with most things they'll play through it.   If 
the system colors the playback a bit, but it sounds better, most people won't 
care.

 

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:02 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with Bose in all the 
cars I've had it in as well as the "sound box" in the house.  I'm definitely 
not an audiophile, though.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from accurate in 
most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’ audio, and it 
sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had the premium HK stock 
system. 

 

... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t agree with me.


On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:

Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all the cars 
with XM.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on what you 
are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music channels.

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(


On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net> > wrote:

because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty cool. 

 

 

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some period of 
time for free. 

Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like it’s 
compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a subscription for 
this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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C: 806.231.7180
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: XM Radio

[David Hannum]

I'm the 99% too . . .  - I love music, but I don't have time, or desire any
more, to be an "audiophile" - I can't take listening to music on phone
speaker or laptop speakers, but I can take headphones on either and I'm
good with XM in the car.  Works for me!

Dave

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:11 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I am the 99%
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:56 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Maybe the lesson is to know your market. "Most people" are not
>> audiophiles, and "most people" probably have a taste for how music should
>> sound. Credit Bose for figuring out what people like, and tailoring their
>> product to provide it. The fact that they can do it with pedestrian
>> components is a feather in their cap (and a plus to their bottom line).
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2018 11:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Bose is excellent at Turd-Polishing.
>>
>> Let me explain:   Where a traditional provider might go and buy proper
>> drivers with good response throughout the frequency range, and take care in
>> designing a crossover, etc, when designing a speaker, Bose is more about
>> taking reasonably ok speaker elements and then using signal processing to
>> clean them up.   If they have a bit of a weak spot say at the high or low
>> end, they will boost those with dynamic equalization.   If there is some
>> phase distortion, often this can be cleaned up with DSP processing.  And so
>> on.
>>
>> Often this results in a better-sounding speaker than a traditional
>> system.But this is not without compromise as sometimes the result is
>> not as 'pure' as a decently designed traditional system.  But for 99% of
>> the people out there it's going to sound perfectly acceptable if not just
>> as good as the expensive system.  In some cases, you'd even find that many
>> people prefer the sound from the Bose system since Bose often seems to
>> optimize for the average listener's preferences instead of what a "true
>> audiophile" would choose.   Where an audiophile would look for flatness and
>> purity, an average person just wants something which sounds pleasing with
>> most things they'll play through it.   If the system colors the playback a
>> bit, but it sounds better, most people won't care.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 7:02 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> People say all the time that Bose sucks but I'm very happy with Bose in
>>> all the cars I've had it in as well as the "sound box" in the house.  I'm
>>> definitely not an audiophile, though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 4:09 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Bose has good marketing and not a lot else.

 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:49 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Bose car audio (and home audio) is pretty terrible and far from
> accurate in most cars.  I just bought a new car that has Bose ‘premium’
> audio, and it sounds like absolute crap compared to my old car which had
> the premium HK stock system.
>
> ... but, I’m sort of an audiophile, so most people probably won’t
> agree with me.
>
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Quality sounds great to me.  But of course I've had Bose audio in all
> the cars with XM.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:21 AM Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> quality varies across some of the stations I've noticed, depends on
>> what you are listening to. talk radio is worse than some of the music
>> channels.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:17 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> But. The quality. Also Fox Headlines had commercials :(
>>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 09:11, Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> because no commercials and the same stations everywhere it pretty
>>> cool.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:00 AM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 We just got a new vehicle at work that includes XM radio for some
 period of time for free.

 Anyone else who’s had experience with XM: does it always sound like
 it’s compressed, digital and low fidelity?  Why would anyone pay a
 subscription for this when I get high-fidelity FM free?

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 http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo 

Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?

[Lewis Bergman]

I hope so.

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 6:26 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley 
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
>
>
>
>
>
> Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol
>
>
>
> Sent from my smartphone
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