Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

[Ken Hohhof]

Well yeah, it never made sense to me that we would ship our trash all the way 
to China to be recycled.  I agree with Bill, we need to do this ourselves.  
Although there are some pretty nice automated sorting facilities in this 
country, so it’s not like we don’t know HOW to do it.  I think the biggest one 
is in Brooklyn, NY and is operated by Sims Municipal Recycling.  I think Sims 
also has one of the contracts in Chicago and somehow doesn’t have nearly the 
problems with “contamination” that the other contractor does.  Not that Chicago 
is a model for recycling.  But I guess it’s hard to scold people for not 
recycling when they read that it all goes to the landfill anyway.

 

One thing I don’t understand – where does China get the raw materials for all 
the cardboard packaging they use to ship all their manufactured goods all over 
the world?  Are they cutting down forests?  Or they take in trash from other 
countries that sort it better?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

 

Transportation is expensive no matter what the sector. That cost alone can make 
it a difficult to economically break even. 

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:37 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both by China and 
by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is more profitable to haul 
it to the landfill.  The BGA (Better Government Association) in Chicago did a 
report that found Waste Management had a far higher rate of rejecting 
recyclables than the other contracted private company or municipal crews.  Also 
“contamination” brings a mental image of cans and pizza boxes covered with 
food, while apparently the biggest type of “contamination” is plastic bags like 
from grocery stores because they get caught in the sorting machinery.  I used 
to throw those out in the trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins 
to  recycle them.  At least they claim to recycle them.  And a factoid from the 
Internet, apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on pop/soda bottles when 
putting them in the recycling bin.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

 

Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and reading about 
this for the better part of a year now. One of the issues is that a lot of the 
recyclable material was considered too dirty. It hadn't been cleaned enough to 
recycle.

 

At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this ourselves. The 
landfills are all filling up.




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On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT

 

China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has dropped 
enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen.  Which is good, not just 
for the jobs,  but I’m tired of reading how we put out recycling in the blue 
bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it because nobody wants it.  
Even aluminum cans.  How can it not pay to melt down aluminum  cans?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ken Hohhof]

Don’t make me post (again) a link to the Youtube video of Buzz Aldrin punching 
the obnoxious moon landing denier guy.  I never get tired of watching it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

 

You mean the movie that proves they faked the whole thing ;)

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 3:08 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

A lot of the earth based footage was part of a planned hi-def ( for the time ) 
movie that was planned before the Apollo 11 mission.  Rediscovered when they 
started planning this movie.

 

On 3/23/19 12:01 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Brand new film but all original footage and audio...absolutely AMAZING!!!

 

Like noting before

 

-Sean

 

 

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new? 

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

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To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

 

Apollo 11

 

Best so far.  100% NASA footage and audio.  Loved it. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Sean Heskett]

You mean the movie that proves they faked the whole thing ;)

 


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 3:08 PM Robert  wrote:

> A lot of the earth based footage was part of a planned hi-def ( for the
> time ) movie that was planned before the Apollo 11 mission.  Rediscovered
> when they started planning this movie.
>
>
> On 3/23/19 12:01 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Brand new film but all original footage and audio...absolutely AMAZING!!!
>
> Like noting before
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new?
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>> Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM
>>
>> Apollo 11
>>
>> Best so far.  100% NASA footage and audio.  Loved it.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

[Lewis Bergman]

Transportation is expensive no matter what the sector. That cost alone can
make it a difficult to economically break even.

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:37 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both by
> China and by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is more
> profitable to haul it to the landfill.  The BGA (Better Government
> Association) in Chicago did a report that found Waste Management had a far
> higher rate of rejecting recyclables than the other contracted private
> company or municipal crews.  Also “contamination” brings a mental image of
> cans and pizza boxes covered with food, while apparently the biggest type
> of “contamination” is plastic bags like from grocery stores because they
> get caught in the sorting machinery.  I used to throw those out in the
> trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins to  recycle them.  At
> least they claim to recycle them.  And a factoid from the Internet,
> apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on pop/soda bottles when
> putting them in the recycling bin.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back
>
>
>
> Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and reading
> about this for the better part of a year now. One of the issues is that a
> lot of the recyclable material was considered too dirty. It hadn't been
> cleaned enough to recycle.
>
>
>
> At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this ourselves. The
> landfills are all filling up.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT
>
>
>
> China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has
> dropped enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen.  Which is
> good, not just for the jobs,  but I’m tired of reading how we put out
> recycling in the blue bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it
> because nobody wants it.  Even aluminum cans.  How can it not pay to melt
> down aluminum  cans?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

[Ken Hohhof]

There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both by China and 
by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is more profitable to haul 
it to the landfill.  The BGA (Better Government Association) in Chicago did a 
report that found Waste Management had a far higher rate of rejecting 
recyclables than the other contracted private company or municipal crews.  Also 
“contamination” brings a mental image of cans and pizza boxes covered with 
food, while apparently the biggest type of “contamination” is plastic bags like 
from grocery stores because they get caught in the sorting machinery.  I used 
to throw those out in the trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins 
to  recycle them.  At least they claim to recycle them.  And a factoid from the 
Internet, apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on pop/soda bottles when 
putting them in the recycling bin.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

 

Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and reading about 
this for the better part of a year now. One of the issues is that a lot of the 
recyclable material was considered too dirty. It hadn't been cleaned enough to 
recycle.

 

At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this ourselves. The 
landfills are all filling up.




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On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT

 

China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has dropped 
enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen.  Which is good, not just 
for the jobs,  but I’m tired of reading how we put out recycling in the blue 
bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it because nobody wants it.  
Even aluminum cans.  How can it not pay to melt down aluminum  cans?

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[AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comebac
k/ar-BBV5qRT

 

China won't take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has dropped
enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen.  Which is good, not
just for the jobs,  but I'm tired of reading how we put out recycling in the
blue bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it because nobody wants
it.  Even aluminum cans.  How can it not pay to melt down aluminum  cans?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

While you are waiting to see the movie, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YA7X5we8ng=PLTu8nanTJo7GvulBxz9JT9JcXeXimM1Vr=3

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Doing a Google search, I see “launches exclusively in IMAX, March 1, for one 
week only”.

 

WTF?

 

Does this mean it’s still showing in theaters but not in IMAX?  I think we only 
have one IMAX theater left near us (I think the others were converted for 3D or 
something), but that one has showtimes for Apollo 11 this weekend.  Should I 
assume not in IMAX though?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

 

A lot of the earth based footage was part of a planned hi-def ( for the time ) 
movie that was planned before the Apollo 11 mission.  Rediscovered when they 
started planning this movie.

On 3/23/19 12:01 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

  Brand new film but all original footage and audio...absolutely AMAZING!!!

   

  Like noting before

   

  -Sean

   

   

  On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

 

I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new? 

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

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From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

 

Apollo 11

 

Best so far.  100% NASA footage and audio.  Loved it. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ken Hohhof]

Doing a Google search, I see “launches exclusively in IMAX, March 1, for one 
week only”.

 

WTF?

 

Does this mean it’s still showing in theaters but not in IMAX?  I think we only 
have one IMAX theater left near us (I think the others were converted for 3D or 
something), but that one has showtimes for Apollo 11 this weekend.  Should I 
assume not in IMAX though?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

 

A lot of the earth based footage was part of a planned hi-def ( for the time ) 
movie that was planned before the Apollo 11 mission.  Rediscovered when they 
started planning this movie.

On 3/23/19 12:01 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Brand new film but all original footage and audio...absolutely AMAZING!!!

 

Like noting before

 

-Sean

 

 

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new? 

 

Sent from my smartphone

 

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From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

 

Apollo 11

 

Best so far.  100% NASA footage and audio.  Loved it. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Robert]

A lot of the earth based footage was part of a planned hi-def ( for the 
time ) movie that was planned before the Apollo 11 mission.  
Rediscovered when they started planning this movie.


On 3/23/19 12:01 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Brand new film but all original footage and audio...absolutely AMAZING!!!

Like noting before

-Sean


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:



I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new?

Sent from my smartphone

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From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

Apollo 11
Best so far.  100% NASA footage and audio.  Loved it.
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Re: [AFMUG] Windstream

[Mike Hammett]

I'll take the ones you don't want. :-p 

Well, except the one not paying. :-p 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 8:00:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windstream 



Nope, we were wholesaling a connection to BOB. We took it over from another 
WISP when they lost their tower site. And BOB was wholesaling it to Wayport who 
was selling it to a McDonalds franchise. And BOB was bought by Windstream. And 
Wayport was bought by AT What a freakin’ mess. 

On a related note, I have decided not to sell service anymore to any of these 
companies who call with a list of locations and then resell it to the end 
customer. If we don’t bill the end customer and have local contact info, it’s 
not worth the trouble. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 10:42 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Windstream 


You were BOB? 



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 10:00 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 




We got the bankruptcy mailing to creditors and I know everyone is acting like 
nothing to see here, move along, telecom bankruptcies don’t mean anything. But 
now we get notified by our bank that a Windstream check bounced. (Wholesale 
connection from when they bought Business Only Broadband.) 

I hate bounced checks, in addition to not getting paid, we have to pay a bank 
fee. 

We don’t buy any services from Windstream (other than a legacy toll free number 
from years ago when they bought Paetec/McLeod), but they seem so screwed up, I 
wonder if people should think twice before using them for bandwidth or 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Sean Heskett]

Brand new film but all original footage and audio...absolutely AMAZING!!!

Like noting before

-Sean


On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:50 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new?
>
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> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
> Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM
>
> Apollo 11
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[chuck]

Yes, totally new.  I was astounded at the amount of very high resolution 
footage they had.  Really good footage of Buzz Aldrin backing out of the LM.  
Really good footage of the last 15 seconds where Neil is hunting for a good 
place to land.  I am guessing I have only seen half or at the most 2/3rds of 
this before.  

They stitch it all together without any narration.  

I wish they would have had the audio where they were instructed to push the 
range radar circuit breakers.  They were told to verify them as being out prior 
to leaving the moon.  It was the range radar that was producing a flood of 
useless data that overwhelmed the computer producing the 1201 and 1202 alarms.  
They would have needed it to be turned on prior to docking with the CM.

That alarm was probably the most pucker factor moment in human history.  

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/vintagespace/2018/01/05/apollo-11s-1202-alarm-explained/#.XJaBG5hKiUk



From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review


I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new? 

Sent from my smartphone

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

Apollo 11

Best so far.  100% NASA footage and audio.  Loved it. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new? 

Sent from my smartphone

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Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik VPN

[Jason McKemie]

I'm having an issue wherein my local public IP address (off of my network)
is showing up as the source address when I try to access the router that I
have a VPN session established with.  Therefore, when I try and lock my
Winbox down to a range that I have assigned to the VPN session I cannot
connect unless I VPN into a different router.  What configuration am I
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