Re: [AFMUG] How to test 10G / mikrotik btest 10g+

[Adair Winter]

Don't use btest, use IPERF or traffic generator.
But we do have an iperf and btest server that we can open up


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:35 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Does anyone have a mikrotik sitting on 10G+ that they want to exchange
> some btests with?
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[AFMUG] How to test 10G / mikrotik btest 10g+

[TJ Trout]

Does anyone have a mikrotik sitting on 10G+ that they want to exchange some
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Re: [AFMUG] Shadowserver.org

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/26/19 8:04 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Are there similar services that people have used to report on external 
views of security problems with their ASN/IPv4 stuff?





shodan.io

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[AFMUG] Shadowserver.org

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone use or looked at shadowserver.org?

Looks interesting, to get their scan reports of your network.

I found out about them because they were trying to log on to my VPN on one of 
my routers, lol!

Are there similar services that people have used to report on external views of 
security problems with their ASN/IPv4 stuff?

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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[Sam Lambie]

I wouldn't mind seeing yours as well if you don't mind.

thanks
Sam

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:00 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Sent.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements
>
> Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with
> customers
> that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
> "please don't unplug our stuff."
>
> Graham McIntire
> Verona Networks
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Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

[Sean Heskett]

I installed the Blink cameras at my place and have been pretty happy.

-Sean


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 3:22 PM Matt  wrote:

> Was looking for some inexpensive cameras for home, tower sites, etc.
> Have customers asking too.
>
> What is everyone using?  Amazon cloud cameras look appealing but I see
> no way to share camera access with other users for certain cameras
> without sharing them all.
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Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

[Ken Hohhof]

Don't use any of these:
https://hacked.camera/


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 5:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

Was looking for some inexpensive cameras for home, tower sites, etc.
Have customers asking too.

What is everyone using?  Amazon cloud cameras look appealing but I see no
way to share camera access with other users for certain cameras without
sharing them all.

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[AFMUG] Inexpensive Surveillance Cameras

[Matt]

Was looking for some inexpensive cameras for home, tower sites, etc.
Have customers asking too.

What is everyone using?  Amazon cloud cameras look appealing but I see
no way to share camera access with other users for certain cameras
without sharing them all.

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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[SmarterBroadband]

Sent.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers
that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
"please don't unplug our stuff."

Graham McIntire
Verona Networks

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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Mitch Koep]

We have KP 2 and 5 omnis

I have found they out perform the UBNT units

better signal levels and they dont end up with water/ice inside as the 
UBNT ones do


We have changed out almost everyone of our 54 sites

Mitch

On 4/26/2019 1:23 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
A lot of antenna manufacturers (maybe even the majority) advertise the 
-6db beamwidth these days... and some list both.


I've opened up a few different brands of 2.4ghz dual polarity omnis, 
and the guts looked pretty much identical on all of them, so I'm 
sceptical that there's really much difference in performance between 
any of them... but I haven't used any KPP 2.4ghz omnis, so I'm not 
sure if they're the same as some other brands or not.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 1:03 PM Mike Hammett > wrote:


A lot of the measurement stuff is for the birds anyway. Use it to
get in the same ballpark, but then actually look at the darn patterns.



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*From: *"Dan Spitler" mailto:d...@common.net>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, April 26, 2019 12:59:02 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP
Performance 2.4 omni's

Ubnt advertises the -6 dBi beamwidth vs the typical -3 dBi.
In the case of the omni, there's a -5 dBi falloff in the H chain
at "0°" and "180°"

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:44 AM Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

I also thought that UBNT also measured their antennas
differently than
most everyone else?  But I believe they did so to give better
numbers
than competitors, which would actually give worse numbers to
the cpe's
in the field?  Just saying that 13 ubnt does not equal 13 with
anyone else?

Best,
        Robert

On 04/26/2019 09:21 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:
> The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.   
Maybe the
> Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the 
new antenna is
> not, or is better rounded.
>
> Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old
antenna might have
> been target more towards wifi,  while the other might be
targeted more
> for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.
>
> Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.
>
> *Matt*
>
> *From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Jay Weekley
> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP
Performance
> 2.4 omni's
>
> After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped
a lot on a
> 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP.
Water had
> gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors
and the
> signal levels were better but didn't return to their
original levels and
> are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm.
The original
> omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi
> KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.
>
> The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with
the KP
> Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to
cause the
> problem? What else could it be?
>
> Here are the antenna data sheets:
> KP Performance antenna.
> https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf
>


>
> Ubiquiti antenna
> https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet…
>


>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Local EPC users?

[Mathew Howard]

We have one, but we're not actually using it quite yet.

Trying to get layer 2 working just for PPPoE probably isn't worth it... I
would look at other ways of dealing with authentication.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 12:26 PM Donnie McCorkle 
wrote:

> Is anyone considering or using the Baicells Local EPC?
>
>
>
> We are looking into this option because we’d like to leverage some layer 2
> services to authenticate our subscribers (PPPoE).
>
>
>
> Don McCorkle
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> ATC Communications
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> Information Services Technician
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> Ph: 308.962.7298
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Mathew Howard]

A lot of antenna manufacturers (maybe even the majority) advertise the -6db
beamwidth these days... and some list both.

I've opened up a few different brands of 2.4ghz dual polarity omnis, and
the guts looked pretty much identical on all of them, so I'm sceptical that
there's really much difference in performance between any of them... but I
haven't used any KPP 2.4ghz omnis, so I'm not sure if they're the same as
some other brands or not.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 1:03 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> A lot of the measurement stuff is for the birds anyway. Use it to get in
> the same ballpark, but then actually look at the darn patterns.
>
>
>
> -
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, April 26, 2019 12:59:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance
> 2.4 omni's
>
> Ubnt advertises the -6 dBi beamwidth vs the typical -3 dBi.
> In the case of the omni, there's a -5 dBi falloff in the H chain at "0°"
> and "180°"
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:44 AM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> I also thought that UBNT also measured their antennas differently than
>> most everyone else?  But I believe they did so to give better numbers
>> than competitors, which would actually give worse numbers to the cpe's
>> in the field?  Just saying that 13 ubnt does not equal 13 with anyone
>> else?
>>
>> Best,
>> Robert
>>
>> On 04/26/2019 09:21 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:
>> > The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the
>> > Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna
>> is
>> > not, or is better rounded.
>> >
>> > Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might
>> have
>> > been target more towards wifi,  while the other might be targeted more
>> > for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.
>> >
>> > Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.
>> >
>> > *Matt*
>> >
>> > *From: *AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley
>> > 
>> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
>> > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance
>> > 2.4 omni's
>> >
>> > After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a
>> > 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had
>> > gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the
>> > signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels
>> and
>> > are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The
>> original
>> > omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi
>> > KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.
>> >
>> > The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP
>> > Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the
>> > problem? What else could it be?
>> >
>> > Here are the antenna data sheets:
>> > KP Performance antenna.
>> > https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf
>> > <
>> https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2W3cHhzAJtt2pIxOoqbWsgj0_UwOTjfpCXi5QhKf8llEoJ0KchQtVBy7g
>> >
>> >
>> > Ubiquiti antenna
>> > https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet…
>> > <
>> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheets_US.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3Fffk8DlLf21wvYH_eidyLy2ndaZe-qhb_17LBVF_NGz7OEla1dp5a1_E
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Mike Hammett]

A lot of the measurement stuff is for the birds anyway. Use it to get in the 
same ballpark, but then actually look at the darn patterns. 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: "Dan Spitler"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:59:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 
omni's 


Ubnt advertises the -6 dBi beamwidth vs the typical -3 dBi. 
In the case of the omni, there's a -5 dBi falloff in the H chain at "0 ° " and 
"180 ° " 


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:44 AM Robert Andrews < i...@avantwireless.com > 
wrote: 


I also thought that UBNT also measured their antennas differently than 
most everyone else? But I believe they did so to give better numbers 
than competitors, which would actually give worse numbers to the cpe's 
in the field? Just saying that 13 ubnt does not equal 13 with anyone else? 

Best, 
Robert 

On 04/26/2019 09:21 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote: 
> The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round. Maybe the 
> Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the new antenna is 
> not, or is better rounded. 
> 
> Also the gain varies within the frequency range. Old antenna might have 
> been target more towards wifi, while the other might be targeted more 
> for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE. 
> 
> Both should have graphs so you can see the differences. 
> 
> *Matt* 
> 
> *From: *AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > on behalf of Jay Weekley 
> < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
> *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM 
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 
> 2.4 omni's 
> 
> After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a 
> 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had 
> gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the 
> signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels and 
> are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The original 
> omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi 
> KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2. 
> 
> The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP 
> Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the 
> problem? What else could it be? 
> 
> Here are the antenna data sheets: 
> KP Performance antenna. 
> https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf 
> < 
> https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2W3cHhzAJtt2pIxOoqbWsgj0_UwOTjfpCXi5QhKf8llEoJ0KchQtVBy7g
>  > 
> 
> Ubiquiti antenna 
> https://www.streakwave.com/ …/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet… 
> < 
> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheets_US.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3Fffk8DlLf21wvYH_eidyLy2ndaZe-qhb_17LBVF_NGz7OEla1dp5a1_E
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Dan Spitler]

Ubnt advertises the -6 dBi beamwidth vs the typical -3 dBi.
In the case of the omni, there's a -5 dBi falloff in the H chain at "0°"
and "180°"

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:44 AM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> I also thought that UBNT also measured their antennas differently than
> most everyone else?  But I believe they did so to give better numbers
> than competitors, which would actually give worse numbers to the cpe's
> in the field?  Just saying that 13 ubnt does not equal 13 with anyone else?
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> On 04/26/2019 09:21 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:
> > The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the
> > Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna is
> > not, or is better rounded.
> >
> > Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might have
> > been target more towards wifi,  while the other might be targeted more
> > for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.
> >
> > Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.
> >
> > *Matt*
> >
> > *From: *AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley
> > 
> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
> > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance
> > 2.4 omni's
> >
> > After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a
> > 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had
> > gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the
> > signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels and
> > are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The original
> > omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi
> > KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.
> >
> > The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP
> > Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the
> > problem? What else could it be?
> >
> > Here are the antenna data sheets:
> > KP Performance antenna.
> > https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf
> > <
> https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2W3cHhzAJtt2pIxOoqbWsgj0_UwOTjfpCXi5QhKf8llEoJ0KchQtVBy7g
> >
> >
> > Ubiquiti antenna
> > https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet…
> > <
> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheets_US.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3Fffk8DlLf21wvYH_eidyLy2ndaZe-qhb_17LBVF_NGz7OEla1dp5a1_E
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Robert Andrews]

I also thought that UBNT also measured their antennas differently than 
most everyone else?  But I believe they did so to give better numbers 
than competitors, which would actually give worse numbers to the cpe's 
in the field?  Just saying that 13 ubnt does not equal 13 with anyone else?


Best,
Robert

On 04/26/2019 09:21 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:
The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the 
Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna is 
not, or is better rounded.


Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might have 
been target more towards wifi,  while the other might be targeted more 
for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.


Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.

*Matt*

*From: *AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 
2.4 omni's


After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a 
2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had 
gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the 
signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels and 
are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The original 
omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi 
KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.


The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP 
Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the 
problem? What else could it be?


Here are the antenna data sheets:
KP Performance antenna.
https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf 



Ubiquiti antenna
https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet… 



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[AFMUG] Baicells Local EPC users?

[Donnie McCorkle]

Is anyone considering or using the Baicells Local EPC?

 

We are looking into this option because we'd like to leverage some layer 2
services to authenticate our subscribers (PPPoE).

 

Don McCorkle

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Ph: 308.962.7298

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Local installer access on 450SM's 169.254.1.1?

[Steve D]

And if I recall you can push a config in cnMaestro to enable it across all
devices as well.  You'll want to edit the JSON appropriately but I think
it's:
UserParameters->networkconfig->"defaultIPAccessEnable": 0 for off, 1 for on.

(Pretty sure that's it - recommend you test for yourself unless others can
confirm.  Thats just my notes from however long ago.)

-Steve D



On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 8:36 AM castarritt  wrote:

> The newer software versions have an option under config>IP called "Default
> alternative LAN1 IP address" which when enabled, will allow local access
> via 169.254.1.1.  I think this will only works if the installers device
> fails to lease an IP, and falls back to an autoconfiguration address
> though, so you might have to get your installer to set a static address on
> the 169.254.1.0/16 network if the radio already has a color code
> programmed in, and their laptop is able to hit your DHCP server up for a
> lease.
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:20 AM Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> Question for the Borg,
>>
>> We recently started onboarding our 450i platform into CnMaestro. It’s a
>> great tool. But as part of that we had to allow our 450 SMs to get DNS and
>> IP addresses and be part of the world. We had always used the AP to access
>> all SMs before logged into the AP found the customer click and your there.
>> The nice part about this was when a tech went out they could access locally
>> with 169.254.1.1. That no longer works. I am wondering if I am missing
>> something in the programming that will allow the tech that type of local
>> access still?
>>
>> I sat through the 3 days 450 training years ago but don’t remember a
>> thing about this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Mathew Howard]

You could try that. Signal levels can change pretty significantly when you
rotate omnis. The downtilt could be an issue, if it's a tall tower, and the
clients are close... but in most cases, 1 degree vs 2 degrees isn't going
to make a difference.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:41 AM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> So, rotate the omni?
>
> Matt Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the
> > Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna
> > is not, or is better rounded.
> >
> > Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might
> > have been target more towards wifi, while the other might be targeted
> > more for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.
> >
> > Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.
> >
> > *Matt*
> >
> > *From: *AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley
> > 
> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
> > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance
> > 2.4 omni's
> >
> > After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on
> > a 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had
> > gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the
> > signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels
> > and are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The
> > original omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi
> > KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.
> >
> > The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP
> > Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the
> > problem? What else could it be?
> >
> > Here are the antenna data sheets:
> > KP Performance antenna.
> > https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Jay Weekley]

So, rotate the omni?

Matt Corcoran wrote:


The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the 
Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna 
is not, or is better rounded.


Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might 
have been target more towards wifi, while the other might be targeted 
more for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.


Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.

*Matt*

*From: *AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley 


*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 
2.4 omni's


After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on 
a 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had 
gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the 
signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels 
and are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The 
original omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi 
KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.


The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP 
Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the 
problem? What else could it be?


Here are the antenna data sheets:
KP Performance antenna.
https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf 



Ubiquiti antenna
https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet… 



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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Matt Corcoran]

The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the Ubiquiti 
antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna is not, or is 
better rounded.
Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might have been 
target more towards wifi,  while the other might be targeted more for 
2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.

Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.

Matt


From: AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's


After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a 2.4 GHz 
omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had gotten in so we 
replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the signal levels were better 
but didn't return to their original levels and are still about 5 db lower than 
they were before the storm. The original omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was 
replaced with a 13 dBi KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.

The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP Performance 
antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the problem? What else could 
it be?

Here are the antenna data sheets:
KP Performance antenna.
https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf

Ubiquiti antenna
https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet…
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[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Jay Weekley]

  
  
After a storm we noticed
  that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a 2.4 GHz omni.
  Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had gotten in so
  we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the signal
  levels were better but didn't return to their original levels and
  are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The
  original omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13
  dBi KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.
The Ubiquiti antenna has
  2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP
Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause
the problem? What else could it be?

  Here are the
antenna data sheets:
KP Performance antenna.
https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf
  Ubiquiti antenna
https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet…

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Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

[Brian Webster]

I am not sure you are ever going to see much MM wave deployment down to the 
device level. I see it more being used as a backhaul/mesh connectivity to the 
small cells and/or services to fixed wireless locations much the same as a 
WISP. The gain needed to overcome free space loss AND the fact that they still 
have to comply with maximum permissible exposure limits for uncontrolled public 
spaces is always going to be a limiting factor. Hard to put an antenna with any 
real gain in a mobile device that is always moving around. To that end small 
footprints per cell and massive frequency re-use with smarter antenna systems 
will be the big play in 5G/small cell deployments. That being said the pole 
attachment management and interconnectivity of all those cells makes for 
interesting deployment challenges.

 

I wrote an article on this topic a while back. You are correct in that they are 
only going to deploy these based on network pressures and demand. Knowing where 
those network pressures are is the key.

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:45 PM
To: AFMUG
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

 

That doesn't surprise me... putting a microcell every 1500' is the only way 
they're going to have any hope of millimeter wave working to phone. I'm 
assuming they don't have unlimited money to dump into it... which means there 
isn't going to be a lot of this stuff getting built outside of really densely 
populated areas. 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 9:00 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Incidentally I just got exposed to some details about a Verizon 5G build.  
They're putting a microcell on a pole every 1500 feet.  
Every. 1500. Feet. This happens to be a distributed antenna system where 
they're using RFOG to bring the signal from a central base station to each of 
these microcells.  Each one is fed by a 12 fiber ribbon, so it's a 288 count 
cable running down the road from cell to cell.

My mind was blown.  The money they must be dumping into this 5G thing is so 
great that it's hard to understand why they prefer that over Fiber to the prem. 
 Service drops are hard?  Or demand for mobile capacity is really that huge?

On 4/24/2019 10:42 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Well, imagine that... who would've ever guessed that they aren't going to put 
up millimeter wave stuff in areas where there's nothing but maybe few cows and 
a goat actually within range of the towers...

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:58 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

This almost needs a rim shot.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/millimeter-wave-5g-isnt-for-widespread-coverage-verizon-admits/

 

bp

 

On 4/19/2019 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Read a good report from a writer that tried 5g all over downtown Chicago.  No 
surprises.  Sucks just as bad as any other mm wave with less than ideal los.  
Nothing to worry about.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 19, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I had a customer today say very authoritatively that 5G will give all rural 
users gigabit speeds and wanted to know when we were switching to it (houses on 
his road are 2 per mile).

 

Of course I also had a support call from a customer putting his email address 
into Firefox to get his email, and another who couldn’t understand that her 
domain registrar was asking her to create security challenge questions, not to 
answer them.  My customers are not necessarily the sharpest knives in the 
drawer.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

 

LTE wasn't a twinkle in anyone's eye when Clearwire was deploying WiMax.



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Midwest Internet Exchange  
   
  
 
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From: "Gino A. Villarini" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:09:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

By not choosing LTE, they lost the change of interop, volume manufacturing 
etc.. 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
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Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

[Ken Hohhof]

Why is fiber no longer news?

 

AT, partly due to conditions of the DirecTV acquisition, is adding a million 
fiber customers per year.  In our area, MetroNet is building fiber like crazy 
in small towns and cities.  Not news, apparently.  Of course any 5G celltowers 
will need fiber.  Might be nice if they did FTTH along those fiber routes.

 

What is it about the 5G narrative that displaced fiber in the national 
imagination?  Spectrum auctions?  A race with China?  Streaming bundles?  
People love their phones?  It seems like the race we’re actually losing is the 
race to fiber.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 7:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

 

This was already happening with 4G.



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From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:59:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

Incidentally I just got exposed to some details about a Verizon 5G build.  
They're putting a microcell on a pole every 1500 feet.  
Every. 1500. Feet. This happens to be a distributed antenna system where 
they're using RFOG to bring the signal from a central base station to each of 
these microcells.  Each one is fed by a 12 fiber ribbon, so it's a 288 count 
cable running down the road from cell to cell.

My mind was blown.  The money they must be dumping into this 5G thing is so 
great that it's hard to understand why they prefer that over Fiber to the prem. 
 Service drops are hard?  Or demand for mobile capacity is really that huge?

On 4/24/2019 10:42 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Well, imagine that... who would've ever guessed that they aren't going to put 
up millimeter wave stuff in areas where there's nothing but maybe few cows and 
a goat actually within range of the towers...

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:58 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This almost needs a rim shot.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/millimeter-wave-5g-isnt-for-widespread-coverage-verizon-admits/

 

bp

 

On 4/19/2019 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Read a good report from a writer that tried 5g all over downtown Chicago.  No 
surprises.  Sucks just as bad as any other mm wave with less than ideal los.  
Nothing to worry about.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 19, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I had a customer today say very authoritatively that 5G will give all rural 
users gigabit speeds and wanted to know when we were switching to it (houses on 
his road are 2 per mile).

 

Of course I also had a support call from a customer putting his email address 
into Firefox to get his email, and another who couldn’t understand that her 
domain registrar was asking her to create security challenge questions, not to 
answer them.  My customers are not necessarily the sharpest knives in the 
drawer.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

 

LTE wasn't a twinkle in anyone's eye when Clearwire was deploying WiMax.



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From: "Gino A. Villarini" mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:09:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

By not choosing LTE, they lost the change of interop, volume manufacturing 
etc.. 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
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Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

[Mike Hammett]

This was already happening with 4G. 




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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:59:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat 

Incidentally I just got exposed to some details about a Verizon 5G build. 
They're putting a microcell on a pole every 1500 feet. 
Every. 1500. Feet. This happens to be a distributed antenna system where 
they're using RFOG to bring the signal from a central base station to each of 
these microcells. Each one is fed by a 12 fiber ribbon, so it's a 288 count 
cable running down the road from cell to cell. 

My mind was blown. The money they must be dumping into this 5G thing is so 
great that it's hard to understand why they prefer that over Fiber to the prem. 
Service drops are hard? Or demand for mobile capacity is really that huge? 


On 4/24/2019 10:42 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: 



Well, imagine that... who would've ever guessed that they aren't going to put 
up millimeter wave stuff in areas where there's nothing but maybe few cows and 
a goat actually within range of the towers... 



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:58 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




This almost needs a rim shot. 
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/millimeter-wave-5g-isnt-for-widespread-coverage-verizon-admits/
 

bp
 
On 4/19/2019 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Read a good report from a writer that tried 5g all over downtown Chicago. No 
surprises. Sucks just as bad as any other mm wave with less than ideal los. 
Nothing to worry about. 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Apr 19, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






I had a customer today say very authoritatively that 5G will give all rural 
users gigabit speeds and wanted to know when we were switching to it (houses on 
his road are 2 per mile). 

Of course I also had a support call from a customer putting his email address 
into Firefox to get his email, and another who couldn’t understand that her 
domain registrar was asking her to create security challenge questions, not to 
answer them. My customers are not necessarily the sharpest knives in the 
drawer. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 4:00 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat 


LTE wasn't a twinkle in anyone's eye when Clearwire was deploying WiMax. 



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From: "Gino A. Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:09:47 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat 
By not choosing LTE, they lost the change of interop, volume manufacturing 
etc.. 

Gino Villarini 
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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 12:09 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat 



I don't think that had anything to do with it. There wasn't anything inherently 
wrong with WiMax. 



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From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:05:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat 

That and that they hung their hat on WiMax (in the beginning). 


bp 
 

On 4/18/2019 8:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> It's hard to have a modest plan with LEOs. You need lots of birds to 
> have coverage. Clearwire's failing was a lack of funding for 
> significant coverage. 

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