Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

There’s a thread on the Cambium forums about this.  Forrest posted there as 
well.  I don’t see anything additional over what’s been posted here, other than 
some misinformation about a satellite problem to be fixed in 2 hours.

 

Interesting that the GLONASS outage 5 years ago also started at 21:00 UTC, when 
an engineer uploaded bad firmware to the satellites.  Probably just a 
coincidence.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 8:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

One note is that on later RackInjectors, rebooting the rackinjector not only 
won't reboot attached devices, it also won't reboot the GPS receiver.   This is 
to permit reboots of the control interface without affecting connected device 
at all.   This includes *most* firmware upgrades.

 

So for the later boards, you'll need to reset it on the GPS status page.

 

 

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 6:29 PM Andreas Wiatowski mailto:andr...@silo.ca> > wrote:

Thanks Forrest, let us know what you find. I can confirm that I have done the 
power cycle on the Rack injectorswe have seen the same issue occur 
again...feels like interference. 

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client use...I guess it really depends on your networks reuse scheme.












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> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:
> 
>  [EXTERNAL]
> Just an update/random informational message, a lot of which is pretty obvious 
> from this thread:
> 
> 1) As is pretty obvious at this point, something happened either with the GPS 
> constellation or with the firmware which runs in the GPS module, or some 
> combination of those. What many of you might not be aware of is that many 
> vendors use the same GPS modules from the same vendor. Generally a certain 
> portion of the uGPS, PacketFlux, ePMP all will use the same module, along 
> with other vendors. Each of the vendors (including PacketFlux) has changed 
> the exact model of the module over the years, for instance the GPS+glonass 
> modules are in newer devices, and GPS only are in older ones. I'm working 
> through determining whether this is just the GPS+GLONASS modules which are 
> affected (it seems like it might be the case), or if it's a few different 
> types. Note that because this seems like it might be confined to a certain 
> type (or types) of module, that it might turn out to be only certain 
> date/model ranges of each type of gear which are affected.
> 
> 2) Restart of the module seems to clear the issue. For PacketFlux gear, 
> anyone with a SiteMonitor or RackInjector should be able to do this remotely. 
> In the SiteMonitor, the row on the binary tab is labeled something like 
> 'SyncPipe power'. There might be multiple rows depending on how many 
> SyncInjector/PowerInjectors you have - this corresponds to the power port on 
> each injector, so you'll have to turn off the row which is for the unit which 
> the GPS receiver is attached to. In the RackInjector, it's a bit simpler 
> since it's just a button on the GPS page.
> 
> 3) I'm currently working through trying to find anyone who really knows what 
> went on here. None of the usual notification locations seem to have any data. 
> Probably too early to tell. I might luck out and be able to get a GPS 
> constellation recording I can replay here to replicate. 
> 
> One thing which might be helpful is for those of you who log this stuff, if 
> you can provide a pretty close UTC time that this occurred, along with the 
> approximate LAT/LONG, I might be able to correlate this with a specific event.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Mark Radabaugh]

Not necessarily.  Depending on model many have redundant routing engines, 
multiple power supplies, fan trays, etc.   You may want to have spare cards and 
possibly a empty chassis in the really odd event of a backplane issue.  All 
depends on you risk tolerance.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-261-5996

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our current 
> but smaller routers?
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core 
>> is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>>  
>> Gino Villarini 
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
>> m: 
>>  
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>> 
>> From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
>> 
>> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>>  
>> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you 
>> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>>  
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared 
>> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing 
>> for.  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
>> > 
>> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>> > 
>> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
>> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
>> > myself in the foot.
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Larry Smith
>> > lesm...@ecsis.net
>> > 
>> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> >> Several people here use Juniper.
>> >> 
>> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>> >> 
>> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
>> >>> Curiousity question.
>> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>> >>> in for in the conversion.
>> >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Jon Langeler]

Does one have to buy two of these for redundancy as we do with our current but 
smaller routers?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Dec 31, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core 
> is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
> m: 
>   
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
> 
> From: AF  on behalf of Josh Baird 
> 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>  
> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you 
> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>  
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
> the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.  
> 
> Mark
> 
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> > 
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> > 
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >> 
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
> >>> 
> >>> --
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> >>> lesm...@ecsis.net
> >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Thanks Forrest, let us know what you find. I can confirm that I have done the 
power cycle on the Rack injectorswe have seen the same issue occur 
again...feels like interference.

It has been suggested by some to switch to Autosync+Freerun to avoid loss of 
client use...I guess it really depends on your networks reuse scheme.




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> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
>
>  [EXTERNAL]
> Just an update/random informational message, a lot of which is pretty obvious 
> from this thread:
>
> 1) As is pretty obvious at this point, something happened either with the GPS 
> constellation or with the firmware which runs in the GPS module, or some 
> combination of those.What many of you might not be aware of is that many 
> vendors use the same GPS modules from the same vendor.   Generally a certain 
> portion of the uGPS, PacketFlux, ePMP all will use the same module, along 
> with other vendors.   Each of the vendors (including PacketFlux) has changed 
> the exact model of the module over the years, for instance the GPS+glonass 
> modules are in newer devices, and GPS only are in older ones.   I'm working 
> through determining whether this is just the GPS+GLONASS modules which are 
> affected (it seems like it might be the case), or if it's a few different 
> types.   Note that because this seems like it might be confined to a certain 
> type (or types) of module, that it might turn out to be only certain 
> date/model ranges of each type of gear which are affected.
>
> 2) Restart of the module seems to clear the issue.   For PacketFlux gear, 
> anyone with a SiteMonitor or RackInjector should be able to do this remotely. 
>   In the SiteMonitor, the row on the binary tab is labeled something like 
> 'SyncPipe power'.   There might be multiple rows depending on how many 
> SyncInjector/PowerInjectors you have - this corresponds to the power port on 
> each injector, so you'll have to turn off the row which is for the unit which 
> the GPS receiver is attached to.In the RackInjector, it's a bit simpler 
> since it's just a button on the GPS page.
>
> 3) I'm currently working through trying to find anyone who really knows what 
> went on here.   None of the usual notification locations seem to have any 
> data.   Probably too early to tell.   I might luck out and be able to get a 
> GPS constellation recording I can replay here to replicate.
>
> One thing which might be helpful is for those of you who log this stuff, if 
> you can provide a pretty close UTC time that this occurred, along with the 
> approximate LAT/LONG, I might be able to correlate this with a specific event.
>
> - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

21:00 UTC?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 7:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Just an update/random informational message, a lot of which is pretty obvious 
from this thread:

 

1) As is pretty obvious at this point, something happened either with the GPS 
constellation or with the firmware which runs in the GPS module, or some 
combination of those.What many of you might not be aware of is that many 
vendors use the same GPS modules from the same vendor.   Generally a certain 
portion of the uGPS, PacketFlux, ePMP all will use the same module, along with 
other vendors.   Each of the vendors (including PacketFlux) has changed the 
exact model of the module over the years, for instance the GPS+glonass modules 
are in newer devices, and GPS only are in older ones.   I'm working through 
determining whether this is just the GPS+GLONASS modules which are affected (it 
seems like it might be the case), or if it's a few different types.   Note that 
because this seems like it might be confined to a certain type (or types) of 
module, that it might turn out to be only certain date/model ranges of each 
type of gear which are affected.

 

2) Restart of the module seems to clear the issue.   For PacketFlux gear, 
anyone with a SiteMonitor or RackInjector should be able to do this remotely.   
In the SiteMonitor, the row on the binary tab is labeled something like 
'SyncPipe power'.   There might be multiple rows depending on how many 
SyncInjector/PowerInjectors you have - this corresponds to the power port on 
each injector, so you'll have to turn off the row which is for the unit which 
the GPS receiver is attached to.In the RackInjector, it's a bit simpler 
since it's just a button on the GPS page.

 

3) I'm currently working through trying to find anyone who really knows what 
went on here.   None of the usual notification locations seem to have any data. 
  Probably too early to tell.   I might luck out and be able to get a GPS 
constellation recording I can replay here to replicate.  

 

One thing which might be helpful is for those of you who log this stuff, if you 
can provide a pretty close UTC time that this occurred, along with the 
approximate LAT/LONG, I might be able to correlate this with a specific event.

 

- Forrest

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just an update/random informational message, a lot of which is pretty
obvious from this thread:

1) As is pretty obvious at this point, something happened either with the
GPS constellation or with the firmware which runs in the GPS module, or
some combination of those.What many of you might not be aware of is
that many vendors use the same GPS modules from the same vendor.
 Generally a certain portion of the uGPS, PacketFlux, ePMP all will use the
same module, along with other vendors.   Each of the vendors (including
PacketFlux) has changed the exact model of the module over the years, for
instance the GPS+glonass modules are in newer devices, and GPS only are in
older ones.   I'm working through determining whether this is just the
GPS+GLONASS modules which are affected (it seems like it might be the
case), or if it's a few different types.   Note that because this seems
like it might be confined to a certain type (or types) of module, that it
might turn out to be only certain date/model ranges of each type of gear
which are affected.

2) Restart of the module seems to clear the issue.   For PacketFlux gear,
anyone with a SiteMonitor or RackInjector should be able to do this
remotely.   In the SiteMonitor, the row on the binary tab is labeled
something like 'SyncPipe power'.   There might be multiple rows depending
on how many SyncInjector/PowerInjectors you have - this corresponds to the
power port on each injector, so you'll have to turn off the row which is
for the unit which the GPS receiver is attached to.In the RackInjector,
it's a bit simpler since it's just a button on the GPS page.

3) I'm currently working through trying to find anyone who really knows
what went on here.   None of the usual notification locations seem to have
any data.   Probably too early to tell.   I might luck out and be able to
get a GPS constellation recording I can replay here to replicate.

One thing which might be helpful is for those of you who log this stuff, if
you can provide a pretty close UTC time that this occurred, along with the
approximate LAT/LONG, I might be able to correlate this with a specific
event.

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

Number of Visible satellites is still higher, but Tracked satellites is 
fluctuating around.  I think that at some point in time there was a 
hardware change with the GPS in the EPMP1000.  It 'feels' like my 
earliest EPMP POP's are not seeing any issues.  No changes to either 
Visible or Tracked.


On 12/31/2019 6:26 PM, Brian Webster wrote:


I am guessing this is a Y20K issue….ducking…..

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 6:56 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Midnight UTC is in 5 minutes. Buckle in.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:44 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Let me know if drinking more at midnight fixes the problem, I’d
certainly be willing to try that.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:01 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Same here …. I have 100’s of AP that I am feeling like I’m forced
to go a turn on Generate sync… I hope someone “in the know” can
comment soon.  This is wanting me to drink more at midnight.



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*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:58 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[EXTERNAL]

After the initial total loss and recovery, I've slowly been slowly
losing tracked satellites.

On December 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM CST, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with
the chip. Cambium and packet flux are using.

No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No
Stratum issues.


On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux
mailto:john.babine...@reach4com.com>> wrote:

Never mind still happening

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*John Babineaux
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync
because of the holdoff timer).  Everything has now been
back for about an hour.

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the
same problem, so it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying
the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s saying
24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since
I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can
only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

*From:*AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS
satellites and no 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS
port power off and back on for 2 of them and that
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that
actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some
APs with standalone Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate
Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Brian Webster]

I am guessing this is a Y20K issue….ducking…..

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 6:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Midnight UTC is in 5 minutes. Buckle in. 

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Let me know if drinking more at midnight fixes the problem, I’d certainly be 
willing to try that.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Same here …. I have 100’s of AP that I am feeling like I’m forced to go a turn 
on Generate sync… I hope someone “in the know” can comment soon.  This is 
wanting me to drink more at midnight.

 









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From: AF  on behalf of Nate Burke 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

[EXTERNAL] 

After the initial total loss and recovery, I've slowly been slowly losing 
tracked satellites. 

On December 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM CST, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote: 

I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the chip. 
Cambium and packet flux are using. 

 

No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum issues. 


On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux  
wrote:

Never mind still happening 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the holdoff 
timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.  

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.  

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  
Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP






  _  


From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website: www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I do see one of our towers on the east side of our coverage area dropped for a 
bit, took a few calls.  All looks well now.
Log shows gps sync issue

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nate Burke 
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues


  I didn't do anything, and all mine came back.  


  On 12/31/2019 4:11 PM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.  







Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues



I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s 
not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  
It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of 
them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox 
Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues



I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 
1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and 
that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.



(this is in Illinois)



I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues



Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet 
recovered.  

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


  I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Nate Burke" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

  West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now 
they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

  On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  
CMMs seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications |Website: www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105| Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526







From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues



We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same 
time.



On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

  We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more 
than
  50 in the last 25 minutes,
  We're in northern Indiana

  roland

  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

  All clear in PA. 

  > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  
wrote:
  > 
  > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I 
have
  across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Jason Wilson]

Midnight UTC is in 5 minutes. Buckle in.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Let me know if drinking more at midnight fixes the problem, I’d certainly
> be willing to try that.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Same here …. I have 100’s of AP that I am feeling like I’m forced to go a
> turn on Generate sync… I hope someone “in the know” can comment soon.  This
> is wanting me to drink more at midnight.
>
>
>
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> *​*
> *Phone.**​**TV.*
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> *Andreas Wiatowski*
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>
>  |
>
> *andr...@silo.ca* 
>
> *silo.ca* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Nate Burke <
> n...@blastcomm.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:58 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> After the initial total loss and recovery, I've slowly been slowly losing
> tracked satellites.
>
> On December 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM CST, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the chip.
> Cambium and packet flux are using.
>
>
>
> No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum
> issues.
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux 
> wrote:
>
> Never mind still happening
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *John Babineaux
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Looks like its stabilizing for us.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
> holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.
>
> All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.
>
> Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.
>
> On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
> physically onsite.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
> it.
>
>
>
> (this is in Illinois)
>
>
>
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

Let me know if drinking more at midnight fixes the problem, I’d certainly be 
willing to try that.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Same here …. I have 100’s of AP that I am feeling like I’m forced to go a turn 
on Generate sync… I hope someone “in the know” can comment soon.  This is 
wanting me to drink more at midnight.

 









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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

[EXTERNAL] 

After the initial total loss and recovery, I've slowly been slowly losing 
tracked satellites. 

On December 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM CST, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > 
wrote: 

I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the chip. 
Cambium and packet flux are using. 

 

No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum issues. 


On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux mailto:john.babine...@reach4com.com> > wrote:

Never mind still happening 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the holdoff 
timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.  

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.  

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:  

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

It’s not an AP problem.

 

I can log into a Rackinjector/Syncinjector and see the problem.  It sees no 
sats or intermittently sees no sats and says it is not outputting a 1pps 
signal.  Luckily they let you toggle power to the external GPS device 
(typically a Syncpipe or Syncbox) and that has seemed to clear it.  Same with 
the Cambium cnPulse, luckily the AP lets you turn UGPS power on and off, and 
again, that seems to have fixed it.  Unfortunately Cambium makes you reboot the 
AP after this change so I can’t 100% say it was just toggling power to the 
cnPulse that did it, but I’d bet money on it.

 

Unfortunately I have 2 sites with unmanaged Syncinjectors that I’m going to 
have to visit.  It’s just 2 APs and they are generating sync, so I have just 
made an executive decision to wait until tomorrow morning when it’s light 
outside.

 

Whoever said it seems like a firmware bug in a particular GPS chips that 
Packetflux and Cambium use in some of their equipment, yes, that seems a likely 
explanation.  Maybe some end of year or end of decade thing, although it 
doesn’t seem to have happened at midnight UTC.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Has anyone seen this on anything other than a Cambium AP (regardless of the 
sync source, Cambium or Packetflux)?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.


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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Sterling Jacobson]

After we grow a bit more I’m definitely considering upgrading to Juniper.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Longtime user of both Cisco and Juniper, prefer Juniper, though getting used to 
the hierarchical structure in JunOS takes some playing with. Nice 
troubleshooting commands, but it will take you a bit of time to figure out all 
the “Juniperisms" that are inherent in the platform (as with any other new 
platform you’d encounter). Basically as reliable as death and taxes, they kind 
of never die really.

Forums are pretty decent if you get stuck, usually help within a day or less 
from pretty knowledgeable people.


On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Larry Smith 
mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:

wondering how many here actually
use Juniper.

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[George Skorup]

...That they want to admit...

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:14 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> This page lists the US GPS system status, showing nothing out of the
> ordinary from what I can tell.
>
>
>
> https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?Do=constellationStatus
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 6:06 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Until we hear something from Forrest, I’m guessing based on which of our
> sites have been  affected that it’s not the Syncinjector/Rackinjector but
> the Syncbox it’s using for GPS, and that the ones affected have the newer
> chip.  I’m guessing since I had a cnPulse affected and that’s the newest
> version of the uGPS, that it also uses the same or similar chip.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *John Babineaux
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Never mind still happening
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *John Babineaux
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Looks like its stabilizing for us.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
> holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.
>
> All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.
>
> Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.
>
> On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
> physically onsite.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
> it.
>
>
>
> (this is in Illinois)
>
>
>
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>
> 
>
> John Babineaux
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
> *
>
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
> *
>
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[George Skorup]

I don't see a leap second being introduced today. No problems reported at
GPS.gov either. Clearly something triggered a bug in the latest GTop
receivers that Forrest, Cambium and others are using. I'm seeing low SNR
and a lot less tracked GLONASS sats after this event.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:52 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the chip.
> Cambium and packet flux are using.
>
> No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum
> issues.
>
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux 
> wrote:
>
> Never mind still happening
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *John Babineaux
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Looks like its stabilizing for us.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
> holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.
>
> All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.
>
> Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.
>
> On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
> physically onsite.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
> it.
>
>
>
> (this is in Illinois)
>
>
>
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>
> 
>
> John Babineaux
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
> *
>
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
> *
>
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
> We're in northern Indiana
>
> roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[David Coudron]

So far all Mimosa equipment of ours is reporting a noticeable dip in tracked 
satellites at the same time:

[cid:image001.png@01D5BFFE.20EAE100]

Regards,

David Coudron


From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Has anyone seen this on anything other than a Cambium AP (regardless of the 
sync source, Cambium or Packetflux)?


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From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[David Coudron]

We are seeing good GPS Sync and valid locations on all Cambium equipment.   
Half is on CMM4 and half is on PacketFlux.   However, we did see a drop in the 
number of tracked satellites on all Mimosa equipment at approximately 4:15 
central.   The number of tracked satellites dropped to the lowest point it has 
been in quite some time (maybe since we started graphing them).   They are 
coming back, but slowly and haven't fully recovered yet.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Until we hear something from Forrest, I'm guessing based on which of our sites 
have been  affected that it's not the Syncinjector/Rackinjector but the Syncbox 
it's using for GPS, and that the ones affected have the newer chip.  I'm 
guessing since I had a cnPulse affected and that's the newest version of the 
uGPS, that it also uses the same or similar chip.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Never mind still happening

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the holdoff 
timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.
On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I've got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it's not 
just Packetflux.  I'm trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It's 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I've got to power cycle all of them? 
 That's going to be a problem since I've got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I've got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I've powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can't guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.
On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.


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From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable

John Babineaux
System Administrator
REACH4 Communications 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Brian Webster]

This page lists the US GPS system status, showing nothing out of the
ordinary from what I can tell.

 

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?Do=constellationStatus

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 6:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Until we hear something from Forrest, I'm guessing based on which of our
sites have been  affected that it's not the Syncinjector/Rackinjector but
the Syncbox it's using for GPS, and that the ones affected have the newer
chip.  I'm guessing since I had a cnPulse affected and that's the newest
version of the uGPS, that it also uses the same or similar chip.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Never mind still happening 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.  

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I've got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it's
not just Packetflux.  I'm trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.
It's saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I've got to power cycle all
of them?  That's going to be a problem since I've got some Syncpipe/Syncbox
Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I've got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps
pulse.  I've powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and
that seemed to make them happy, can't guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 


 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
 

 
  The Brothers WISP
 
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:  
www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Mike Hammett]

Has anyone seen this on anything other than a Cambium AP (regardless of the 
sync source, Cambium or Packetflux)? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Muehleisen"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 


Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST. 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

Until we hear something from Forrest, I'm guessing based on which of our
sites have been  affected that it's not the Syncinjector/Rackinjector but
the Syncbox it's using for GPS, and that the ones affected have the newer
chip.  I'm guessing since I had a cnPulse affected and that's the newest
version of the uGPS, that it also uses the same or similar chip.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Never mind still happening 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.  

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I've got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it's
not just Packetflux.  I'm trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.
It's saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I've got to power cycle all
of them?  That's going to be a problem since I've got some Syncpipe/Syncbox
Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I've got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps
pulse.  I've powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and
that seemed to make them happy, can't guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 


 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
 

 
  The Brothers WISP
 
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:  
www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com
  

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> > 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Same here …. I have 100’s of AP that I am feeling like I’m forced to go a turn 
on Generate sync… I hope someone “in the know” can comment soon.  This is 
wanting me to drink more at midnight.


Internet.
​Phone.
​TV.
Andreas Wiatowski
CEO/Founder
Silo
1-866-727-4138, ext 600 |
andr...@silo.ca
silo.ca



From: AF  on behalf of Nate Burke 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[EXTERNAL]
After the initial total loss and recovery, I've slowly been slowly losing 
tracked satellites.
On December 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM CST, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the chip. 
Cambium and packet flux are using.

No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum issues.

On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux 
mailto:john.babine...@reach4com.com>> wrote:
Never mind still happening

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the holdoff 
timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.
On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.
On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.


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From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable

John Babineaux
System Administrator
REACH4 Communications | Website: www.REACH4Com.com
Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: 
john.babine...@reach4com.com
927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three 

Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Dev]

Longtime user of both Cisco and Juniper, prefer Juniper, though getting used to 
the hierarchical structure in JunOS takes some playing with. Nice 
troubleshooting commands, but it will take you a bit of time to figure out all 
the “Juniperisms" that are inherent in the platform (as with any other new 
platform you’d encounter). Basically as reliable as death and taxes, they kind 
of never die really. 

Forums are pretty decent if you get stuck, usually help within a day or less 
from pretty knowledgeable people.

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

After the initial total loss and recovery, I've slowly been slowly losing 
tracked satellites. 

On December 31, 2019 4:51:18 PM CST, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
>I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the
>chip. Cambium and packet flux are using. 
>
>No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum
>issues. 
>
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux
> wrote:
>> 
>> Never mind still happening
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>  
>> Looks like its stabilizing for us.
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>  
>> I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of
>the holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  
>> 
>> All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  
>> 
>> Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too. 
>> 
>> On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem,
>so it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the
>cnPulse now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got
>to power cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve
>got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by
>being physically onsite.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>  
>> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and
>no 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2
>of them and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that
>actually fixed it.
>>  
>> (this is in Illinois)
>>  
>> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with
>standalone Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>  
>> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  
>> 
>> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
>recovered.  
>> 
>> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China,
>Russia, someone like that. 
>> 
>> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>> 
>> 
>> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as
>well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>> 
>> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync. 
>Now they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>> 
>> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>> 
>> 
>> John Babineaux
>> 
>> System Administrator
>> 
>> REACH4 Communications | Website: www.REACH4Com.com
>> 
>> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com
>> 
>> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>  
>> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same
>time.
>>  
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin 
>wrote:
>> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more
>than
>> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
>> We're in northern Indiana
>> 
>> roland
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>> 
>> All clear in PA. 
>> 
>> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
>wrote:
>> > 
>> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I
>have
>> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Matt Hoppes]

I’m going out on a limb and saying this is a software bug with the chip. 
Cambium and packet flux are using. 

No cellular issues. No BaiCells issues. No Ubiquiti issues. No Stratum issues. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 5:47 PM, John Babineaux  
> wrote:
> 
> Never mind still happening
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>  
> Looks like its stabilizing for us.
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>  
> I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the 
> holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  
> 
> All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  
> 
> Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too. 
> 
> On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s 
> not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  
> It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all 
> of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox 
> Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>  
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
> pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and 
> that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.
>  
> (this is in Illinois)
>  
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>  
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  
> 
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.  
> 
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
> someone like that. 
> 
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
> 
> 
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
> 
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
> are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
> 
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
> seem to be stable
> 
> 
> John Babineaux
> 
> System Administrator
> 
> REACH4 Communications | Website: www.REACH4Com.com
> 
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com
> 
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
> 
>  
>  
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>  
> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>  
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
> We're in northern Indiana
> 
> roland
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
> 
> All clear in PA. 
> 
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[John Babineaux]

Never mind still happening 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.  

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I've got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it's
not just Packetflux.  I'm trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.
It's saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I've got to power cycle all
of them?  That's going to be a problem since I've got some Syncpipe/Syncbox
Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I've got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps
pulse.  I've powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and
that seemed to make them happy, can't guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 


 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
 

 
  The Brothers WISP
 
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:  
www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Darin Steffl]

Either there a GPS outage on the satellite constellation or foreign actors
are testing how to jam the network.

I'm curious if other people saw gps issues with cellphones for example.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 4:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> EPMP1000/2000 reporting GPS drops north central Illinois The devices are
> auto-recovering, we have a long hold off on all of them so we're just going
> to ride through it and see what happens. First alert went off at around
> 3:18 CST.
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Or it appears you can turn GPS power off for a few seconds and then back
>> on from the web interface rather than reboot the whole Rackinjector.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:19 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>>
>>
>> I just rebooted all our RackInjectors and it has fixed the issue.
>> Surprisingly a reboot didn't drop any of the AP's. That's a very nice
>> feature.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
>> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
>> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
>> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
>> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
>> physically onsite.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
>> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
>> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> (this is in Illinois)
>>
>>
>>
>> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
>> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>>
>> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
>> recovered.
>>
>> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China,
>> Russia, someone like that.
>>
>> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>>
>>
>> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
>> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>>
>> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>>
>> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
>> CMMs seem to be stable
>>
>> 
>>
>> John Babineaux
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
>> *
>>
>> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
>> *
>>
>> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Joe Novak]

EPMP1000/2000 reporting GPS drops north central Illinois The devices are
auto-recovering, we have a long hold off on all of them so we're just going
to ride through it and see what happens. First alert went off at around
3:18 CST.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Or it appears you can turn GPS power off for a few seconds and then back
> on from the web interface rather than reboot the whole Rackinjector.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I just rebooted all our RackInjectors and it has fixed the issue.
> Surprisingly a reboot didn't drop any of the AP's. That's a very nice
> feature.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
> wrote:
>
> So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
> physically onsite.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
> it.
>
>
>
> (this is in Illinois)
>
>
>
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>
> 
>
> John Babineaux
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
> *
>
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
> *
>
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Andreas Wiatowski]

The big question is WHY did this happen?


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From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 5:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[EXTERNAL]
Or it appears you can turn GPS power off for a few seconds and then back on 
from the web interface rather than reboot the whole Rackinjector.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I just rebooted all our RackInjectors and it has fixed the issue. Surprisingly 
a reboot didn't drop any of the AP's. That's a very nice feature.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.


[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.
On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.


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From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable

John Babineaux
System Administrator
REACH4 Communications | Website: www.REACH4Com.com
Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: 
john.babine...@reach4com.com
927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

Or it appears you can turn GPS power off for a few seconds and then back on 
from the web interface rather than reboot the whole Rackinjector.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I just rebooted all our RackInjectors and it has fixed the issue. Surprisingly 
a reboot didn't drop any of the AP's. That's a very nice feature.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.  

 

 



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 

Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 

Office: 314-735-0270  Website:   
http://www.linktechs.net 

Create Wireless Coverage’s with   
www.towercoverage.com 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.  

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
 

 Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:   www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 
  

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Eric Muehleisen]

I just rebooted all our RackInjectors and it has fixed the issue.
Surprisingly a reboot didn't drop any of the AP's. That's a very nice
feature.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:13 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
> physically onsite.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
> it.
>
>
>
> (this is in Illinois)
>
>
>
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>
> 
>
> John Babineaux
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
> *
>
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
> *
>
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
> We're in northern Indiana
>
> roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> All clear in PA.
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
> > --
> > AF mailing list
> > AF@af.afmug.com
> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[John Babineaux]

Looks like its stabilizing for us.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the
holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.  

All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.  

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.  

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I've got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it's
not just Packetflux.  I'm trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.
It's saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I've got to power cycle all
of them?  That's going to be a problem since I've got some Syncpipe/Syncbox
Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I've got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps
pulse.  I've powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and
that seemed to make them happy, can't guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
 


 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
 

 
  The Brothers WISP
 
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:  
www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
> -- 
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


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AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

 



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http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

 

 

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Brian Sullivan]

Rebooted both of my affected sites and GPS seems normal now.

On 12/31/2019 4:13 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:


We’ve had a bunch of ap’s lose sync as well, right across the province 
(Nova Scotia)


Brian

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 18:09 Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same
problem, so it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle
thing on the cnPulse now. It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked
so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them?  That’s going to be
a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can
only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites
and no 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back
on for 2 of them and that seemed to make them happy, can’t
guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with
standalone Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China,
Russia, someone like that.

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses
as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Nate Burke" 

*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost
satellites/sync.  Now they are back seeing about 25% more than
they ever have before.

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true
with you all? CMMs seem to be stable



John Babineaux

/System Administrator/

REACH4 Communications |Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
*

Phone:337-783-3436 x105| Email:
*/_john.babine...@reach4com.com
_/*

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526



*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync
at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin
mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting
sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? 

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

I didn't do anything, and all mine came back.

On 12/31/2019 4:11 PM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:


So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.

**

*LTI-Full_175px*

*Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified *


Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”

*Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services

*Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 



Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so 
it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the 
cnPulse now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got 
to power cycle all of them? That’s going to be a problem since I’ve 
got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by 
being physically onsite.


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and 
no 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 
of them and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that 
actually fixed it.


(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with 
standalone Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Nate Burke

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet 
recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon. China, 
Russia, someone like that.


On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions




Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Nate Burke"  
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost
satellites/sync.  Now they are back seeing about 25% more than
they ever have before.

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with
you all?  CMMs seem to be stable



John Babineaux

/System Administrator/

REACH4 Communications |Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
*

Phone:337-783-3436 x105| Email:
*/_john.babine...@reach4com.com
_/*

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at
the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin
mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting
sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

I only dropped sattelites for 5-10 min (Didn't drop sync because of the 
holdoff timer).  Everything has now been back for about an hour.


All my EPMP radios are reporting happy.

Sync Pipe radios are reporting happy too.

On 12/31/2019 4:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so 
it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the 
cnPulse now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got 
to power cycle all of them? That’s going to be a problem since I’ve 
got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by 
being physically onsite.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and 
no 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 
of them and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that 
actually fixed it.


(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with 
standalone Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Nate Burke

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet 
recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon. China, 
Russia, someone like that.


On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Nate Burke"  
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost
satellites/sync.  Now they are back seeing about 25% more than
they ever have before.

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with
you all?  CMMs seem to be stable



John Babineaux

/System Administrator/

REACH4 Communications |Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
*

Phone:337-783-3436 x105| Email:
*/_john.babine...@reach4com.com
_/*

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at
the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin
mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting
sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly
every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around
3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Brian Kelly]

We’ve had a bunch of ap’s lose sync as well, right across the province
(Nova Scotia)

Brian

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 18:09 Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so
> it’s not just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse
> now.  It’s saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power
> cycle all of them?  That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some
> Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics that can only be power cycled by being
> physically onsite.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no
> 1pps pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them
> and that seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed
> it.
>
>
>
> (this is in Illinois)
>
>
>
> I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone
> Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>
> 
>
> John Babineaux
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
> *
>
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
> *
>
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
> We're in northern Indiana
>
> roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> All clear in PA.
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
> > --
> > AF mailing list
> > AF@af.afmug.com
> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

So a fix is a reboot?  Just verifying.


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.
On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve got a Cambium cnPulse (uGPS) apparently with the same problem, so it’s not 
just Packetflux.  I’m trying the power cycle thing on the cnPulse now.  It’s 
saying 24 sats visible 12 tracked so maybe I’ve got to power cycle all of them? 
 That’s going to be a problem since I’ve got some Syncpipe/Syncbox Parasitics 
that can only be power cycled by being physically onsite.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.  

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

System Administrator

REACH4 Communications | Website:   www.REACH4Com.com

Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 
  

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen   > wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Mike Hammett]

I got word that Forrest is looking into it. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Eric Muehleisen"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 


Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST. 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Jason Wilson]

I just checked my 1000's and they are all up with sync here in California.

Af5SHE and b5c are all getting 12 satellites.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 1:56 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> China just brought new sat(s) online
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:50 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>>
>> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
>> recovered.
>>
>> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China,
>> Russia, someone like that.
>>
>> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>>
>>
>> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
>> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>>
>> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>>
>> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
>> CMMs seem to be stable
>>
>> 
>>
>> John Babineaux
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
>> *
>>
>> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
>> *
>>
>> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *castarritt .
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>>
>>
>> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
>>
>> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
>> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
>> We're in northern Indiana
>>
>> roland
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>>
>> All clear in PA.
>>
>> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
>> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
>> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Here in South Western Ontario Mass GPS outages no sync on a lot of towers.

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From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 4:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[EXTERNAL]
I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

(this is in Illinois)

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.
On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.


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From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable

John Babineaux
System Administrator
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Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: 
john.babine...@reach4com.com
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin 
mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:
We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve got Packetflux Rackinjectors only seeing GLONASS satellites and no 1pps 
pulse.  I’ve powered the GPS port power off and back on for 2 of them and that 
seemed to make them happy, can’t guarantee yet that actually fixed it.

 

(this is in Illinois)

 

I still have a couple CTMs I need to check, and some APs with standalone 
Syncpipes or Cambium sync devices.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.  

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet recovered.  

Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia, 
someone like that.  

On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



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From: "Nate Burke"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now they 
are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 

On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



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Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 
  

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen   > wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Carl Peterson]

China just brought new sat(s) online


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:50 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Yes, Native EPMP GPS.
>
> An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet
> recovered.
>
> Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, Russia,
> someone like that.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?
>
>
> I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.
>
>
>
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> 
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> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  Now
> they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.
>
> On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:
>
> We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?
> CMMs seem to be stable
>
> 
>
> John Babineaux
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> REACH4 Communications | Website: *www.REACH4Com.com
> *
>
> Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: *john.babine...@reach4com.com
> *
>
> 927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *castarritt .
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
>
>
> We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:
>
> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
> We're in northern Indiana
>
> roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> All clear in PA.
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

Yes, Native EPMP GPS.

An EPMP 3000 AP lost half it's tracked satellites and has not yet 
recovered.


Isn't a new GPS constellation coming online sometime soon.  China, 
Russia, someone like that.


On 12/31/2019 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS?


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  
Now they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.


On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you
all?  CMMs seem to be stable



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/System Administrator/

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*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the
same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync,
now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen
 wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every
tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Mike Hammett]

Doing native ePMP 1000 GPS? 


I've heard from others on Facebook reporting CMM4\CMM5 losses as well. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:39:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS. Lots of sites lost satellites/sync. Now they are 
back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before. 


On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote: 




We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all? CMMs seem 
to be stable 
 
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From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of castarritt . 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 


We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time. 



On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin < rho...@fourway.net > wrote: 


We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than 
50 in the last 25 minutes, 
We're in northern Indiana 

roland 

-Original Message- 
From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen < ericm...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have 
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST. 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

25% more satellites visible, same number tracked.

Not all sites were affected though.  And at some sites, only a few AP's 
were affected.  Other sites, all were affected.


Of sites with affected AP's, they see 25% more satellites visible now, 
the AP's that did not drop GPS show no change in satellites visible.




On 12/31/2019 3:39 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync.  
Now they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.


On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:


We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all? 
CMMs seem to be stable




John Babineaux

/System Administrator/

REACH4 Communications |Website: *www.REACH4Com.com 
***


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*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same 
time.


On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin > wrote:


We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now
more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen
 wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every
tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Matt Hoppes]

BaiCells, Ubiquiti, and Ford Telematics are all good in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Only seems to be affecting Packetflux rack injectors here. My CTM's and CMM's 
> are all fine.
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:38 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> On the TBW page, we've had additional confirmations from Ohio and South 
>> Africa.
>> 
>> Packetflux there too.
>> 
>> 
>> Someone might want to alert Forest.  ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> From: "Eric Muehleisen" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>> 
>> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have 
>> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

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Only seems to be affecting Packetflux rack injectors here. My CTM's and
CMM's are all fine.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:38 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> On the TBW page, we've had additional confirmations from Ohio and South
> Africa.
>
> Packetflux there too.
>
>
> Someone might want to alert Forest.  ;-)
>
>
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> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Nate Burke]

West of Chicago EPMP1000 GPS.  Lots of sites lost satellites/sync. Now 
they are back seeing about 25% more than they ever have before.


On 12/31/2019 3:35 PM, John Babineaux wrote:


We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  
CMMs seem to be stable




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/System Administrator/

REACH4 Communications |Website: *www.REACH4Com.com 
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*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *castarritt .
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin > wrote:


We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now
more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower
I have
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Same here, have many customers down..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Roland Houin
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:37 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We are all packetflux.  Most if not all seem affected

roland

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable

John Babineaux
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin 
mailto:rho...@fourway.net>> wrote:
We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Roland Houin]

We are all packetflux.  Most if not all seem affected

 

roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of John Babineaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



John Babineaux

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Phone: 337-783-3436 x105 | Email: john.babine...@reach4com.com 
  

927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen   > wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Mike Hammett]

On the TBW page, we've had additional confirmations from Ohio and South Africa. 

Packetflux there too. 


Someone might want to alert Forest. ;-) 




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From: "Eric Muehleisen"  
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Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 


Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[John Babineaux]

We are seeing it happening with PacketFlux is that true with you all?  CMMs 
seem to be stable



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927 N Parkerson Ave, Crowley, LA 70526

 

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of castarritt .
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Roland Houin]

Cambium 450, 100, epmp

All seem affected

Packetflux gps

 

roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

For those of you with issues, what platforms are you using?



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From: "Eric Muehleisen" mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Brian Sullivan]

FWIW I have three types of GPS receivers at one particular site 
affected, and the PacketFlux SyncBox12 is the only one having difficulty 
right now.  Seems to be flapping.  Motorola CMM + UBNT Radios look OK.


On 12/31/2019 3:29 PM, castarritt . wrote:

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin > wrote:


We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now
more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA.

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower
I have
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Mike Hammett]

For those of you with issues, what platforms are you using? 




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Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:17:39 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues 


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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[castarritt .]

We had three APs on three different towers all drop sync at the same time.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 3:26 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

> We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
> 50 in the last 25 minutes,
> We're in northern Indiana
>
> roland
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
>
> All clear in PA.
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Roland Houin]

We are seeing an increasing number of ap's not getting sync, now more than
50 in the last 25 minutes,
We're in northern Indiana

roland

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Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Brian Sullivan]

35 Miles West of Chicago I am having some too starting about the same time.

On 12/31/2019 3:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Matt Hoppes]

All clear in PA. 

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have 
> across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Roland Houin]

We are started a few minutes ago around 4 pm est

 

roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:18 PM
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Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

 

Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have across 
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[AFMUG] mass GPS issues

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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Adam Moffett]

PPPoE and RADIUS accounting is the only "clean" way IMO.

If you do it with SNMP then in my opinion you would have to monitor the 
device uptime also, and then the logic in the backend can then tell the 
difference between a counter reset due to rolling over past 2^32 and 
counter reset due to reboot.  If it's a reboot you take the new counter 
reading as bytes transferred in this time interval and you've simply 
lost the data between the last sample and the reboot.  That way you 
undercount if anything. That sucks, but the alternative is to assume the 
counter wrapped and add up to 4GB which might not have really 
happened.and that sucks worse.


I would push hard for almost any other method than SNMP, but if I had to 
do it that's what I would aim for.


I'm not sure how I would handle attacks and such.  I would assume the 
system automatically billed for it so you'd have to have some procedure 
to handle disputes and historical data to reference so you can resolve 
the question after the fact.  Maybe you also get a daily report which 
you monitor for anomalous usage so you can alert the customer and nip it 
in the bud.


I think most of us aren't doing UBB and all of these questions are a big 
part of why we don't.


-Adam


On 12/31/2019 12:35 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
So then those doing UBB, how do you data collection for the bits? (I 
don't do UBB, it was just a thought exercise)


SNMP of the sub SM?  This may be affected by reboots/RF Drops causing 
the counters to reset/not read.
Netflow at the Tower router?  This could record bits that don't get 
delivered because of RF drops or loading of the AP. Especially if 
you're doing QOS in the AP/SM.
Netflow at the Core?  Problems as below, or do you just presume some 
overhead and bill at 60% of this value.


Do all 3 and have a fancy system average them all together?

I don't use RADIUS/PPPoE, But I guess that this may be the solution,  
are there caveats to it too?  If it records the data as it goes 
through the PPPoE Server, bits could be dropped later on before 
getting to the customer.


How do you accurately bill what is delivered to the customer, and what 
liability do you incur for bad data?  Or do you have an Iron Clad EULA 
that the customer signs in the blood of their first born, that you're 
not responsible for mistakes in throughput calculation.


And if a customer get's a DDOS, do you bill them for that too?

On 12/31/2019 11:09 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming
into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually
reach the customer?

I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his
gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN
delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.
Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined
for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was
delivered to him (his package limit).

How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB 
of usage?

   330. Can't bill for what you didn't deliver.

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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Ken Hohhof]

Yep, and it’s probably not a different steak, but the same steak with several 
delivery attempts from the kitchen to your table.

 

The difference between 30-40 Mbps from the CDN and 20 Mbps delivered to the 
customer is probably a lot of TCP retransmissions.  It’s not like UDP where if 
the ISP drops the packets, they’re gone forever.  The CDN would probably argue 
that if you had delivered it the first time, they wouldn’t have to resend it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

 

Ken, I think your restaurant analogy is off.  It is like the restaurant only 
charging you for what they delivered to your table.  IMHO that it the fair way 
to do it.  They only ordered one steak  Not their fault the restaurant or its 
suppliers dropped the other one in the bin before it got to them.  

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM mailto:fiber...@mail.com> 
> wrote:

> For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming 
> into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually 
> reach the customer?
> 
> I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his 
> gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN 
> delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.  
> Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined 
> for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was 
> delivered to him (his package limit).
> 
> How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of usage?
  330. Can't bill for what you didn't deliver.

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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Nate Burke]

So then those doing UBB, how do you data collection for the bits? (I 
don't do UBB, it was just a thought exercise)


SNMP of the sub SM?  This may be affected by reboots/RF Drops causing 
the counters to reset/not read.
Netflow at the Tower router?  This could record bits that don't get 
delivered because of RF drops or loading of the AP.  Especially if 
you're doing QOS in the AP/SM.
Netflow at the Core?  Problems as below, or do you just presume some 
overhead and bill at 60% of this value.


Do all 3 and have a fancy system average them all together?

I don't use RADIUS/PPPoE, But I guess that this may be the solution,  
are there caveats to it too?  If it records the data as it goes through 
the PPPoE Server, bits could be dropped later on before getting to the 
customer.


How do you accurately bill what is delivered to the customer, and what 
liability do you incur for bad data?  Or do you have an Iron Clad EULA 
that the customer signs in the blood of their first born, that you're 
not responsible for mistakes in throughput calculation.


And if a customer get's a DDOS, do you bill them for that too?

On 12/31/2019 11:09 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming
into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually
reach the customer?

I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his
gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN
delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.
Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined
for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was
delivered to him (his package limit).

How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of usage?

   330. Can't bill for what you didn't deliver.

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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Steve Jones]

Shouldnt your accounting be happening in the same device as your queues?
the BMU (powercode or mikrotik) both only account for traffic that actually
makes it through the queue AFAIK.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM  wrote:

> > For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming
> > into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually
> > reach the customer?
> >
> > I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his
> > gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN
> > delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.
> > Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined
> > for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was
> > delivered to him (his package limit).
> >
> > How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of
> usage?
>   330. Can't bill for what you didn't deliver.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Carl Peterson]

Ken, I think your restaurant analogy is off.  It is like the
restaurant only charging you for what they delivered to your table.  IMHO
that it the fair way to do it.  They only ordered one steak  Not their
fault the restaurant or its suppliers dropped the other one in the bin
before it got to them.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:10 AM  wrote:

> > For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming
> > into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually
> > reach the customer?
> >
> > I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his
> > gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN
> > delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.
> > Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined
> > for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was
> > delivered to him (his package limit).
> >
> > How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of
> usage?
>   330. Can't bill for what you didn't deliver.
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Carl Peterson]

I've thought about it and will likely do it on the next upgrade.  We keep
our core routers and BNG in a telco room and rent a server rack in the same
DC so it would be nice to be able to extend the router over to the server
rack.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:46 AM Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Anyone running JUnos Fusion?  Loving the feature! (converts some EX
> switches into extended interfaces of the MX router)
>
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> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our
> Core is MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003
>
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> *Date: *Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers
>
>
>
> Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you
> learn it) than IOS in my opinion.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared
> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing
> for.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> >
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >>
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[fiberrun]

> For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming 
> into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually 
> reach the customer?
> 
> I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his 
> gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN 
> delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.  
> Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined 
> for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was 
> delivered to him (his package limit).
> 
> How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of usage?
  330. Can't bill for what you didn't deliver.

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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah 330GB.  The customer has no control over an aggressive strategy at 
the CDN.


On 12/31/2019 12:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I seem to remember seeing explanations that mobile carriers leave some 
data out of the calculations for billing or data cap purposes.  Like 
DNS lookups maybe?  Also retries which LTE networks have a lot of.  
Then there’s the zero rated data like certain video streams.  And I 
assume VoLTE data is not counted.


To answer Nate’s question, I expect most operators would only count 
the delivered data, not including what gets thrown out due to rate 
limiting.  Which seems a little unfair, it would be like a restaurant 
only charging you for what you ate, not what you ordered.  In this 
case, though, it would be like the restaurant never brought everything 
you ordered to your table.  Plus the concept that the customer 
“ordered” all that data isn’t quite true, he just subscribed to a 
service which decided to  send him all that data.


One philosophy I have that not everyone shares, is that you should 
charge for data usage or speed tier but not both.


So if you’re going to use UBB, maybe your speeds should be best 
available, which eliminates the problem.  Just deliver the excess 
traffic and then charge the customer for it.  That’s maybe why the 
mobile wireless and cable companies seem to be moving away from UBB 
toward data “caps” and “deprioritization” (throttling) once you hit 
the cap.  I guess another approach would be rate shaping rather than 
policing.  Put in a really deep queue so you deliver all that data to 
the customer eventually, although their latency will go sky high.  
Most TCP senders will eventually slow down when the ACKs are coming 
500 or 1000 msec delayed.  I get a little tired of the bufferbloat 
scolds who view this as a horrible flaw of some ISPs.  You’ve got to 
either deliver all traffic to customers without rate limits, or delay 
some of it, or throw some of it out.  There’s really no other choice.  
The people who say techniques like AQM and FQ-CODEL accomplish rate 
limiting without excessive latency are making an assumption about TCP 
senders, that dropping just the right packet will alert the sender to 
congestion and make them behave.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  It’s like 
assuming you can say the right thing to a schoolyard bully and he 
won’t take your lunch money.  Or that all Twitter trolls can be taken 
down with a clever comeback.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

Verizon would probably do the 600 GB, but I'm not a UBB user.

If it was dropped at your head end and you didn't have to carry it 
through your network and by consequence the AP, I wouldn't see a 
problem with the 330.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 8:07 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming
into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that
actually
reach the customer?

I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing
his
gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours.
The CDN
delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.
Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined
for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was
delivered to him (his package limit).

How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB
of usage?



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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Ken Hohhof]

I seem to remember seeing explanations that mobile carriers leave some data out 
of the calculations for billing or data cap purposes.  Like DNS lookups maybe?  
Also retries which LTE networks have a lot of.  Then there’s the zero rated 
data like certain video streams.  And I assume VoLTE data is not counted.

 

To answer Nate’s question, I expect most operators would only count the 
delivered data, not including what gets thrown out due to rate limiting.  Which 
seems a little unfair, it would be like a restaurant only charging you for what 
you ate, not what you ordered.  In this case, though, it would be like the 
restaurant never brought everything you ordered to your table.  Plus the 
concept that the customer “ordered” all that data isn’t quite true, he just 
subscribed to a service which decided to  send him all that data.

 

One philosophy I have that not everyone shares, is that you should charge for 
data usage or speed tier but not both.

 

So if you’re going to use UBB, maybe your speeds should be best available, 
which eliminates the problem.  Just deliver the excess traffic and then charge 
the customer for it.  That’s maybe why the mobile wireless and cable companies 
seem to be moving away from UBB toward data “caps” and “deprioritization” 
(throttling) once you hit the cap.  I guess another approach would be rate 
shaping rather than policing.  Put in a really deep queue so you deliver all 
that data to the customer eventually, although their latency will go sky high.  
Most TCP senders will eventually slow down when the ACKs are coming 500 or 1000 
msec delayed.  I get a little tired of the bufferbloat scolds who view this as 
a horrible flaw of some ISPs.  You’ve got to either deliver all traffic to 
customers without rate limits, or delay some of it, or throw some of it out.  
There’s really no other choice.  The people who say techniques like AQM and 
FQ-CODEL accomplish rate limiting without excessive latency are making an 
assumption about TCP senders, that dropping just the right packet will alert 
the sender to congestion and make them behave.  Maybe yes, maybe no.  It’s like 
assuming you can say the right thing to a schoolyard bully and he won’t take 
your lunch money.  Or that all Twitter trolls can be taken down with a clever 
comeback.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:39 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

 

Verizon would probably do the 600 GB, but I'm not a UBB user.

 

If it was dropped at your head end and you didn't have to carry it through your 
network and by consequence the AP, I wouldn't see a problem with the 330.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 8:07 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming 
into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually 
reach the customer?

I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his 
gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN 
delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.  
Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined 
for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was 
delivered to him (his package limit).

How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of usage?



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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone running JUnos Fusion?  Loving the feature! (converts some EX switches 
into extended interfaces of the MX router)

From: AF  on behalf of Gino Villarini 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core is 
MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003


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Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you learn 
it) than IOS in my opinion.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith 
> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> Several people here use Juniper.
>>
>> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith 
>> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>>> Curiousity question.
>>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>>> in for in the conversion.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [AFMUG] UBB Question, what network point do you bill on?

[Josh Luthman]

Verizon would probably do the 600 GB, but I'm not a UBB user.

If it was dropped at your head end and you didn't have to carry it through
your network and by consequence the AP, I wouldn't see a problem with the
330.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 8:07 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> For those of you doing UBB, do you bill based off of the bits coming
> into your network destined for the customer, or the bits that actually
> reach the customer?
>
> I was just looking at a new customer who must have been re-syncing his
> gaming system, had his connection maxed out for about 40 hours. The CDN
> delivering it must have been doing that connection stuffing thing.
> Netflow data from the network edge showed that 30-40mb/s was destined
> for his IP Address, but because of bandwidth queuing, only 20mb/s was
> delivered to him (his package limit).
>
> How would you have billed this customer?  600GB of usage, or 330GB of
> usage?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Gino A. Villarini]

Can go wrong with juniper.. I’ll vouch for the MX204’s great units. Our Core is 
MX480 soon to be upgraded to MX10003


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Date: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 11:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you learn 
it) than IOS in my opinion.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith 
> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
>
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> Several people here use Juniper.
>>
>> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith 
>> mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
>>> Curiousity question.
>>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>>> in for in the conversion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Larry Smith
>>> lesm...@ecsis.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Josh Baird]

Overall, the JunOS syntax is far more powerful and nicer to use (once you
learn it) than IOS in my opinion.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared
> to the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing
> for.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> > This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> >
> > Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> > and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> > myself in the foot.
> >
> > --
> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
> > On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> >> Several people here use Juniper.
> >>
> >> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> >>> Curiousity question.
> >>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> >>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> >>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> >>> in for in the conversion.
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Mark Radabaugh]

Syntax is a different but there are a lot of things you will like compared to 
the older IOS versions.‘commit confirmed 5’ alone is worth changing for.  

Mark

> On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> 
> This first one will replace our primary backbone router
> 
> Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
> and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
> myself in the foot.
> 
> -- 
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
> 
> On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
>> Several people here use Juniper.
>> 
>> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
>>> Curiousity question.
>>> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
>>> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
>>> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
>>> in for in the conversion.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> lesm...@ecsis.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Carl Peterson]

We run juniper for Core and BNG.  Old M7is that are getting replaced by
ERPS rings, MX80s for BNG (Need to upgrade this ASAP) and MX 104 (Just does
BGP but it is SLOW) at the edge.  The 240 is always a good choice if you
have the space/power for it.  Ideally I'd run 240s as core and 204s as
BNGs.

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:

>
> Curiousity question.
> We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> in for in the conversion.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

Actually older than that.  We first got the 7206(s)
(have multiple) back in the 90's as NPE-300 units.
Upgraded to NPE400's, then to G1 then to G2 units
over the years.

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On Mon December 30 2019 22:25, Adam Moffett wrote:
> Wow.  An early 2000's vintage?
>
> On 12/30/2019 5:13 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> > We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2

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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

Thanks, thought about the MX204 but got this MX240 for
a good price.

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On Mon December 30 2019 17:03, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> Also:  juniper-...@puck.nether.net  is
> a good resource.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Dec 30, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Curiousity question.
> > We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> > with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> > use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> > in for in the conversion.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper routers

[Larry Smith]

This first one will replace our primary backbone router

Mainly just curious what my learning curve is going to be
and if there were "resources" here to help when I shoot
myself in the foot.

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On Mon December 30 2019 16:28, Josh Baird wrote:
> Several people here use Juniper.
>
> What role are you putting the MX240 in?  What would you like to know?
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Larry Smith  wrote:
> > Curiousity question.
> > We are getting ready to replace our Cisco 7206-VXR G2 router
> > with a Juniper MX240 and just wondering how many here actually
> > use Juniper.  Trying to do some reading and figure out what I am
> > in for in the conversion.
> >
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> > Larry Smith
> > lesm...@ecsis.net
> >
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