Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Mike Hammett]

VPN concentrator is about the only think I can think of.



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- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:32:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

OK, I'm willing to appear stupid and ask the question.  What do you do with
a router in the cloud?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Managed to get it setup on Linode and seems to be working quite well.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR_Linode

Anyone else using Linode?

> Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We 
> have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem 
> management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a 
> cloud solution might be better.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, I'm willing to appear stupid and ask the question.  What do you do with
a router in the cloud?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Managed to get it setup on Linode and seems to be working quite well.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR_Linode

Anyone else using Linode?

> Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We 
> have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem 
> management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a 
> cloud solution might be better.

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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Jason McKemie]

How are you marketing this? As a separate offering? Included?

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, Darin Steffl  wrote:

> We have a purchase agreement with them and have 150 routers ship every 2
> months. This way inventory is guaranteed and ships on time. We don't have
> the same agreement for the 804Mesh so they're telling me 4-6 weeks out on
> that order since I did that on demand.
>
> So with Calix, I would highly recommend placing orders at least 2 months
> in advance or do a large purchase order and schedule X amount to ship every
> month or two.
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:30 AM Ryan Hill  wrote:
>
>> Yep, we’ve created PO’s and placed all our orders till end of 2020.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's way worse now.  You'll need to order 4-6 months out.  My March order
>> is probably going to ship August from their projections.  Hopefully UPS
>> doesn't lose it on the way here like my drops cables...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:55 AM Ryan Hill  wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Calix 844e’s…
>>>
>>> How’s your current inventory levels, and ETAs on shipments?  We’ve had a
>>> horrible time getting hardware since November 2019
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> > On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I don't know that Calix offers anything you can't get somewhere else,
>>> even reasonably packaged. Well, they certainly offer the ability to lock
>>> you in to their bubble and nickel and dime you for it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >
>>> > The Brothers WISP
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Original Message -
>>> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:12:02 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I don’t think you can beat Calix for value. They allow such insight
>>> and control that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing
>>> with the garden variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder
>>> how you ever lived without them.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Darin Steffl
>>> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM
>>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down
>>> based on purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that
>>> expensive at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too.
>>> >
>>> > By far better than any other managed solution available today.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix
>>> has some that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least
>>> are priced as such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids
>>> who score well on tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t
>>> like their proprietary SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing
>>> vendor lock in for overpriced SFP’s.
>>> >
>>> > Are you doing media converters and just normal routers (hopefully with
>>> remote management)?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Matt]

Managed to get it setup on Linode and seems to be working quite well.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR_Linode

Anyone else using Linode?

> Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We
> have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem
> management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a
> cloud solution might be better.

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

[Simon Westlake]

There's a bunch of contract places out there. I've looked at a few, seems
hard to find anyone competent that isn't already employed.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 10:23 AM  wrote:

> I have written lotsa technical manuals over the years.  Tons of this
> stuff.  And while I slightly enjoy it, I am not tossing my hat in the
> ring.  My son who has a MSEE does this for the DOD.  Seems like a waste of
> a degree to me.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:16 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person
>
>
> You might consider an old fashioned headhunter, assuming they still exist
> in the age of online job sites and candidate screening software.  Find one
> who specializes in an industry that needs good technical documentation.
>
>
>
> Tech writing is probably a lost art, judging by what passes for product
> manuals and documentation these days.  Well, there’s Tina the tech writer
> in Dilbert, but Dilbert still seems to be set in Pacific Bell back around
> 1990.  So you might be looking for someone who’s now retired but still
> working on a gig basis.
>
>
>
> I worked many years at telecom equipment manufacturers, and every product
> needed a technical manual or “Bell System Practice”.  Often there were
> ordering, installation, provisioning and operations manuals, aimed at the
> different users of the equipment.  I assume there are many industries that
> employed tech writers because their customers required detailed instruction
> manuals – government, military, aircraft, medical, etc.  Some of them are
> in decline or no longer producing good documentation, so the tech writers
> may be unemployed but still retaining their skills.
>
>
>
> Headhunters did have some unique skills, they would have company
> directories and org charts, or know people in the relevant department who
> might not be looking to move but could provide names of coworkers and
> friends.  They typically worked on a contingency basis, X% of the salary if
> you hired someone.  Maybe that doesn’t translate to the gig economy.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 2:26 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person
>
>
>
> I'm hiring some sort of person to write documentation, spec sheets, etc.
> for PacketFlux.
>
>
>
> I've been down this path a few times over the years with no luck, having
> hired various people over the years with never getting any actual usable
> work product.
>
>
>
> It's time to try again.  I know a few people from this community have
> expressed interest in the past but I wasn't ready for them at the time.
> I'm hoping anyone who is interested will reply, probably off-list.
>
>
>
> Or if anyone has a suggestion on where to find an appropriate person,
> please let me know.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

[Trey Scarborough]

Oh and I have seen better pricing from AFL and Infinera on passive muxes 
than FS. Both are US companies.


On 6/9/2020 1:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Passive mux’ is as cheap as you are going to find.  On the other end 
of the spectrum is Ciena, Lucent etc.  Big big dollars.

*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

We are connecting to a DC using dark fiber that we need to light up 
with a DWDM solution, with one regen spot and one regular breakout 
spot.  We received quotes from Fiberstore.com and are looking for a 
2^nd quote “just because”.


I know FS is known as a good value, but didn’t know if there is 
another vendor we should be considering.


Paul

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*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

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*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

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Re: [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

[Trey Scarborough]

Try Ekinops or packetlight It all depends on what you are trying to do. 
I have had some success with the fiberstore stuff and some nightmares. 
If you are wanting to move up to 100G+ I would go with another vendor 
just for support reasons. Also buy enough equipment that you have at 
least one spare for everything with FS...


You would be surprised what you might get for 20% more in cost. 
Depending on the number of channels you plan on using may be cheaper for 
a 100/200G with a 10x100G OTU4 card vis 10G per channel optics due to 
not having to have dispersion compensation. They have more of a fix gain 
type amp so make sure you have a full Fiber optic characterization with 
otdr, CMD, and PMD. It would suck to have the wrong equipment installed. 
That is if your looking in to an EDFA if they quoted an OTN system with 
transponders/sfps at each location to regen the signal, then definitely 
go with someone else...


Trey


On 6/9/2020 1:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Passive mux’ is as cheap as you are going to find.  On the other end 
of the spectrum is Ciena, Lucent etc.  Big big dollars.

*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

We are connecting to a DC using dark fiber that we need to light up 
with a DWDM solution, with one regen spot and one regular breakout 
spot.  We received quotes from Fiberstore.com and are looking for a 
2^nd quote “just because”.


I know FS is known as a good value, but didn’t know if there is 
another vendor we should be considering.


Paul

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*


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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

[SmarterBroadband]

We are running the Navigators in 18Ghz with sub-carriers.   Restricted to 
512QAM  in current firmware.   We are getting just over 2Gbps.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 8:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Bridgewave 11GHz

 

Does anyone have any experience with the two of these (Aviat WTM4200 vs 
Navigator Dual)?  I'm having a hard time deciding.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[chuck]

I am thinking that if you cut power, the fire is likely to go out.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 1:09 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention 


On 6/6/20 6:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
So one of our sites has become pretty darn important so I was 
considering a 'clean agent' fire system (like Halon)


Wondering what you guys use? This room has a sprinkler, should I look at 
getting it removed? Or build a shield over our racks?


If the fire didn't get us, the water will. Ugh.



Do you mean "a sprinkler" as in one single sprinkler?

One sprinkler is a pretty small space and the smallest double interlock 
pre-action valve I've seen is 2". It will remove the water from the 
system except as a last resort and prevent accidental discharge (such as 
someone breaking it) or leaks.


You can get small clean agent systems, but I'd always recommend a 
pre-action sprinkler system with it since it's possible the shock of the 
quick opening valve and gas discharge could cause the glass bulb to 
break. Also keep in mind a clean agent system can still destroy spinning 
media that's not been spun down prior to discharge, especially in small 
spaces. If you have a drop ceiling you will need to replace it or modify 
it to survive the overpressure of a discharge.


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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/6/20 6:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
So one of our sites has become pretty darn important so I was 
considering a 'clean agent' fire system (like Halon)


Wondering what you guys use? This room has a sprinkler, should I look at 
getting it removed? Or build a shield over our racks?


If the fire didn't get us, the water will. Ugh.



Do you mean "a sprinkler" as in one single sprinkler?

One sprinkler is a pretty small space and the smallest double interlock 
pre-action valve I've seen is 2". It will remove the water from the 
system except as a last resort and prevent accidental discharge (such as 
someone breaking it) or leaks.


You can get small clean agent systems, but I'd always recommend a 
pre-action sprinkler system with it since it's possible the shock of the 
quick opening valve and gas discharge could cause the glass bulb to 
break. Also keep in mind a clean agent system can still destroy spinning 
media that's not been spun down prior to discharge, especially in small 
spaces. If you have a drop ceiling you will need to replace it or modify 
it to survive the overpressure of a discharge.


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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[Bill Prince]

Uh. In the engine compartment though? I think that qualifies as outside 
the cockpit?



bp


On 6/9/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I used to fly a Cessna 210 that had a halon fire extinguisher.  I 
guess being knocked our by halon is better than flying a cockpit fire 
into the earth.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

On 6/8/20 12:19 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
We had halon systems in the main propulsion rooms on some of the Navy 
Ships (mostly gas turbine powered if memory serves me). We had things 
like an emergency escape breathing device you would wear on your hip 
while working in those spaces, you could stick that in your mouth and 
have a few minutes of oxygen you could use as you were exiting the 
spaces. There was an alarm that went off before the halon deployed 
and I forget what the time was you had to make the escape from the 
space before it would discharge (30 to 45 seconds rings a bell but’s 
it been a long time).



The military is exempt with regard to Halon systems. For the rest of us
there are a bunch of alternatives: Novec, FM-200, FE-13, Inergen,
Argonite, CO2.



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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[chuck]

I used to fly a Cessna 210 that had a halon fire extinguisher.  I guess 
being knocked our by halon is better than flying a cockpit fire into the 
earth.


-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

On 6/8/20 12:19 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
We had halon systems in the main propulsion rooms on some of the Navy 
Ships (mostly gas turbine powered if memory serves me). We had things like 
an emergency escape breathing device you would wear on your hip while 
working in those spaces, you could stick that in your mouth and have a few 
minutes of oxygen you could use as you were exiting the spaces. There was 
an alarm that went off before the halon deployed and I forget what the 
time was you had to make the escape from the space before it would 
discharge (30 to 45 seconds rings a bell but’s it been a long time).



The military is exempt with regard to Halon systems. For the rest of us
there are a bunch of alternatives: Novec, FM-200, FE-13, Inergen,
Argonite, CO2.

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Re: [AFMUG] Data center fire prevention

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/8/20 12:19 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
We had halon systems in the main propulsion rooms on some of the Navy 
Ships (mostly gas turbine powered if memory serves me). We had things 
like an emergency escape breathing device you would wear on your hip 
while working in those spaces, you could stick that in your mouth and 
have a few minutes of oxygen you could use as you were exiting the 
spaces. There was an alarm that went off before the halon deployed and I 
forget what the time was you had to make the escape from the space 
before it would discharge (30 to 45 seconds rings a bell but’s it been a 
long time).



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there are a bunch of alternatives: Novec, FM-200, FE-13, Inergen, 
Argonite, CO2.


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Re: [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

[chuck]

Passive mux’ is as cheap as you are going to find.  On the other end of the 
spectrum is Ciena, Lucent etc.  Big big dollars.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 12:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

We are connecting to a DC using dark fiber that we need to light up with a DWDM 
solution, with one regen spot and one regular breakout spot.  We received 
quotes from Fiberstore.com and are looking for a 2nd quote “just because”.

 

I know FS is known as a good value, but didn’t know if there is another vendor 
we should be considering.

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 




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[AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

[Paul McCall]

We are connecting to a DC using dark fiber that we need to light up with a DWDM 
solution, with one regen spot and one regular breakout spot.  We received 
quotes from Fiberstore.com and are looking for a 2nd quote "just because".

I know FS is known as a good value, but didn't know if there is another vendor 
we should be considering.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[chuck]

There is excess capacity in the testing stations, but not the labs.  The 
labs are backed up and one of the labs the state uses failed some kind of 
federal certification.  So unsure if they are out of the running or not. 
Some director of state testing got removed from her position because she did 
not want to use this lab that failed the certification.  So a bit of drama 
about it.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Sounds like you have reason for the whole team and families to go, if
there is still the excess capacity...

On 06/09/2020 08:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

2 days.  He supposedly took himself this morning.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Send him to a drive-thru testing station.  What’s the turnaround on tests 
now in Utah?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:17 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

One of my guys called in sick with a fever this morning...

And we had a safety training meeting yesterday morning and did not 
distance  arrgh


*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:03 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!

bp




On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs
margarine.  What kind of diet is best.

Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are
rare.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational. You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we
can't double check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They
held their own study to a high standard, it failed, and they
retracted it.  It would have been better if they hadn't published
it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a mistake.

Keep in mind there are /hundreds /of studies and clinical trials
under way.  If a few get thrown out there will still be a strong
body of evidence.  As of right now the evidence is still saying that
hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a treatment, but there is
reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  If the
completion of more studies leads to a different /stronger/
conclusion then of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me
that medical studies became a political topic in the US, so I'm
choosing to believe it really isn't one.

I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook
is littered with it.

On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we
learned the absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public
gatherings and riots.

--

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett
 wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When
pressed on how they acquired data on 96,000 cases the
research company replied that they aren't allowed to say due
to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be
verified, therefore not adequate for science.

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were
"tricked" by evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science
did it's job.  By contrast how often does a politician come
back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"? How often
does anyone do that?

On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Robert Andrews]

Sounds like you have reason for the whole team and families to go, if 
there is still the excess capacity...


On 06/09/2020 08:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

2 days.  He supposedly took himself this morning.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Send him to a drive-thru testing station.  What’s the turnaround on 
tests now in Utah?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:17 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

One of my guys called in sick with a fever this morning...

And we had a safety training meeting yesterday morning and did not 
distance  arrgh


*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:03 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!

bp



  


On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs
margarine.  What kind of diet is best.

Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are
rare.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational. 
You’re confusing me, is this a trick?


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we
can't double check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They
held their own study to a high standard, it failed, and they
retracted it.  It would have been better if they hadn't published
it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a mistake.

Keep in mind there are /hundreds /of studies and clinical trials
under way.  If a few get thrown out there will still be a strong
body of evidence.  As of right now the evidence is still saying that
hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a treatment, but there is
reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  If the
completion of more studies leads to a different /stronger/
conclusion then of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me
that medical studies became a political topic in the US, so I'm
choosing to believe it really isn't one.

I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook
is littered with it.

On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we
learned the absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public
gatherings and riots.

--

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett
 wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When
pressed on how they acquired data on 96,000 cases the
research company replied that they aren't allowed to say due
to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be
verified, therefore not adequate for science.

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were
"tricked" by evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science
did it's job.  By contrast how often does a politician come
back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"? How often
does anyone do that?

On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[chuck]

2 days.  He supposedly took himself this morning.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:39 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Send him to a drive-thru testing station.  What’s the turnaround on tests now 
in Utah?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

One of my guys called in sick with a fever this morning...

And we had a safety training meeting yesterday morning and did not distance 
 arrgh

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:03 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!

 

bp On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs margarine.  
What kind of diet is best.   

   

  Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are rare.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

   

  Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

   

  I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't 
double check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own 
study to a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been 
better if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit 
a mistake.

  Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If 
a few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of 
right now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective 
as a treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a 
preventative.  If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger 
conclusion then of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that 
medical studies became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe 
it really isn't one.

  I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is 
littered with it.

   

  On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned 
the absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.

--

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how 
they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they 
aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data 
can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.  

  Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by 
evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how 
often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"? 
 How often does anyone do that? 

   

  On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social
  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Ken Hohhof]

Send him to a drive-thru testing station.  What’s the turnaround on tests now 
in Utah?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

One of my guys called in sick with a fever this morning...

And we had a safety training meeting yesterday morning and did not distance 
 arrgh

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:03 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!

 

bp

 

On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs margarine.  What 
kind of diet is best.   

 

Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are rare.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't double 
check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own study to 
a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been better 
if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a 
mistake.

Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If a 
few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of right 
now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a 
treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  
If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger conclusion then 
of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies 
became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't 
one.

I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered 
with it.

 

On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.

--

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how they 
acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they aren't 
allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be 
verified, therefore not adequate for science.  

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that? 

 

On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20
 

 _source=twitter_medium=social  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[James Howard]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-who-bn/index.html

looks like you’re sunk.  They’re saying asymptomatic cases “rarely” transmit 
now but the German study says that it was often transmitted the day before or 
the day of symptoms appearing…….


From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

One of my guys called in sick with a fever this morning...
And we had a safety training meeting yesterday morning and did not distance 
 arrgh

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered


Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!



bp




On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs margarine.  What 
kind of diet is best.

Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are rare.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered


I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't double 
check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own study to 
a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been better 
if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a 
mistake.

Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If a 
few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of right 
now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a 
treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  
If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger conclusion then 
of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies 
became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't 
one.
I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered 
with it.


On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:
I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.
--



On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how they 
acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they aren't 
allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be 
verified, therefore not adequate for science.

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that?


On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social

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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

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We have a purchase agreement with them and have 150 routers ship every 2
months. This way inventory is guaranteed and ships on time. We don't have
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:30 AM Ryan Hill  wrote:

> Yep, we’ve created PO’s and placed all our orders till end of 2020.
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
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>
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>> Speaking of Calix 844e’s…
>>
>> How’s your current inventory levels, and ETAs on shipments?  We’ve had a
>> horrible time getting hardware since November 2019
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> > On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't know that Calix offers anything you can't get somewhere else,
>> even reasonably packaged. Well, they certainly offer the ability to lock
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>> >
>> >
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>> > Midwest Internet Exchange
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>> > - Original Message -
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>> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:12:02 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I don’t think you can beat Calix for value. They allow such insight and
>> control that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing with
>> the garden variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder how
>> you ever lived without them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Darin Steffl
>> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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>> > If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down
>> based on purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that
>> expensive at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too.
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote:
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>> >
>> > What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has
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>> priced as such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I remember that movie. Hamburgers (in the future) were deemed
  health food. ... and they uncovered a 200 year-old VW bug that
  still worked.


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On 6/9/2020 8:21 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
There was a Woody Allen movie Sleeper where
  in the future science has proven that wheat germ is poison,
  and fat and chocolate are health foods.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:04 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered
  

 
Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!
 
bp

 

  On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
This reminds me
of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs
margarine.  What kind of diet is best.   
  
  
 
  
  
Always nice to
have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are
rare.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Ken Hohhof 


  Sent:
  Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM


  To:
  'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

  


   

  
  
Go back
to your parallel universe where people are still
rational.  You’re confusing me, is this a trick?
 

  
From: AF 
On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were
snookered
  

 
I'm not
really sure what the complaint is.  The authors
said, "we can't double check this data, therefore it
isn't good enough."  They held their own study to a
high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It
would have been better if they hadn't published it,
but nevertheless they were willing to admit a
mistake.
Keep in
mind there are hundreds of studies and
clinical trials under way.  If a few get thrown out
there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As
of right now the evidence is still saying that
hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a treatment,
but there is reason to hope that it might work as a
preventative.  If the completion of more studies
leads to a different stronger conclusion
then of course we should accept that. It's baffling
to me that medical studies became a political topic
in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really
isn't one.
I'm not
interested in discussing riots or protests here. 
Facebook is littered with it.
 

  On
  6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:


  
I
thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real
science. 

  No
  worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now
  is, recently we learned the absolute cure for
  COVID-19:    Mass public gatherings and riots.


  --


   


   

  
   
  

  On
  Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

[chuck]

I have written lotsa technical manuals over the years.  Tons of this stuff.  
And while I slightly enjoy it, I am not tossing my hat in the ring.  My son who 
has a MSEE does this for the DOD.  Seems like a waste of a degree to me. 

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:16 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

You might consider an old fashioned headhunter, assuming they still exist in 
the age of online job sites and candidate screening software.  Find one who 
specializes in an industry that needs good technical documentation.

 

Tech writing is probably a lost art, judging by what passes for product manuals 
and documentation these days.  Well, there’s Tina the tech writer in Dilbert, 
but Dilbert still seems to be set in Pacific Bell back around 1990.  So you 
might be looking for someone who’s now retired but still working on a gig basis.

 

I worked many years at telecom equipment manufacturers, and every product 
needed a technical manual or “Bell System Practice”.  Often there were 
ordering, installation, provisioning and operations manuals, aimed at the 
different users of the equipment.  I assume there are many industries that 
employed tech writers because their customers required detailed instruction 
manuals – government, military, aircraft, medical, etc.  Some of them are in 
decline or no longer producing good documentation, so the tech writers may be 
unemployed but still retaining their skills.

 

Headhunters did have some unique skills, they would have company directories 
and org charts, or know people in the relevant department who might not be 
looking to move but could provide names of coworkers and friends.  They 
typically worked on a contingency basis, X% of the salary if you hired someone. 
 Maybe that doesn’t translate to the gig economy.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 2:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

 

I'm hiring some sort of person to write documentation, spec sheets, etc. for 
PacketFlux.   

 

I've been down this path a few times over the years with no luck, having hired 
various people over the years with never getting any actual usable work product.

 

It's time to try again.  I know a few people from this community have expressed 
interest in the past but I wasn't ready for them at the time.  I'm hoping 
anyone who is interested will reply, probably off-list.

 

Or if anyone has a suggestion on where to find an appropriate person, please 
let me know.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Ken Hohhof]

There was a Woody Allen movie Sleeper where in the future science has proven 
that wheat germ is poison, and fat and chocolate are health foods.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:04 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!

 

bp

 

On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs margarine.  What 
kind of diet is best.   

 

Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are rare.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't double 
check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own study to 
a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been better 
if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a 
mistake.

Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If a 
few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of right 
now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a 
treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  
If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger conclusion then 
of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies 
became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't 
one.

I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered 
with it.

 

On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.

--

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how they 
acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they aren't 
allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be 
verified, therefore not adequate for science.  

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that? 

 

On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20
 

 _source=twitter_medium=social  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[chuck]

One of my guys called in sick with a fever this morning...
And we had a safety training meeting yesterday morning and did not distance 
 arrgh

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!



bp


On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs margarine.  
What kind of diet is best.   

  Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are rare.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

  Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

   

  I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't 
double check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own 
study to a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been 
better if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit 
a mistake.

  Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If 
a few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of 
right now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective 
as a treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a 
preventative.  If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger 
conclusion then of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that 
medical studies became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe 
it really isn't one.

  I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is 
littered with it.

   

  On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned 
the absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.

--

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how 
they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they 
aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data 
can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.  

  Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by 
evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how 
often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"? 
 How often does anyone do that? 

   

  On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social
  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

[Ken Hohhof]

You might consider an old fashioned headhunter, assuming they still exist in 
the age of online job sites and candidate screening software.  Find one who 
specializes in an industry that needs good technical documentation.

 

Tech writing is probably a lost art, judging by what passes for product manuals 
and documentation these days.  Well, there’s Tina the tech writer in Dilbert, 
but Dilbert still seems to be set in Pacific Bell back around 1990.  So you 
might be looking for someone who’s now retired but still working on a gig basis.

 

I worked many years at telecom equipment manufacturers, and every product 
needed a technical manual or “Bell System Practice”.  Often there were 
ordering, installation, provisioning and operations manuals, aimed at the 
different users of the equipment.  I assume there are many industries that 
employed tech writers because their customers required detailed instruction 
manuals – government, military, aircraft, medical, etc.  Some of them are in 
decline or no longer producing good documentation, so the tech writers may be 
unemployed but still retaining their skills.

 

Headhunters did have some unique skills, they would have company directories 
and org charts, or know people in the relevant department who might not be 
looking to move but could provide names of coworkers and friends.  They 
typically worked on a contingency basis, X% of the salary if you hired someone. 
 Maybe that doesn’t translate to the gig economy.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 2:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

 

I'm hiring some sort of person to write documentation, spec sheets, etc. for 
PacketFlux.   

 

I've been down this path a few times over the years with no luck, having hired 
various people over the years with never getting any actual usable work product.

 

It's time to try again.  I know a few people from this community have expressed 
interest in the past but I wasn't ready for them at the time.  I'm hoping 
anyone who is interested will reply, probably off-list.

 

Or if anyone has a suggestion on where to find an appropriate person, please 
let me know.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Everyone should know that margarine is poison. Butter rules!


bp



On 6/9/2020 7:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or
butter vs margarine.  What kind of diet is best.   
   
  Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes. 
Those are rare.  
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered
  

 
  
  

  Go back to your parallel universe
where people are still rational.  You’re confusing me,
is this a trick?
   
  

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Adam
Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

  
   
  I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors
said, "we can't double check this data, therefore it
isn't good enough."  They held their own study to a high
standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would
have been better if they hadn't published it, but
nevertheless they were willing to admit a mistake.
  Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and
clinical trials under way.  If a few get thrown out
there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of
right now the evidence is still saying that
hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a treatment, but
there is reason to hope that it might work as a
preventative.  If the completion of more studies leads
to a different stronger conclusion then of
course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that
medical studies became a political topic in the US, so
I'm choosing to believe it really isn't one.
  I'm not interested in discussing
riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered with it.
   
  
On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname .
  wrote:
  
  

  I thought if it's not
peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 
  
No worries, it's not a thing.  
  The big news now is, recently we learned the
  absolute cure for COVID-19:    Mass public
  gatherings and riots.
  
  
--
  
  
 
  
  
 
  

 

  
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM
  Adam Moffett 
  wrote:
  
  

  They bought the source data from a research
company.  When pressed on how they acquired data
on 96,000 cases the research company replied
that they aren't allowed to say due to
confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data
can't be verified, therefore not adequate for
science.  
  Rather than believing the popular narrative
that we were "tricked" by evil scientists, I'm
quite happy that science did it's job.  By
contrast how often does a politician come back
and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"? 
How often does anyone do that? 
   
  
On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM,
  justsumname . wrote:
  
  

  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social 

  
 
  
  
... I just can't
  believe it!  

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, since there are no PALs yet, the SAS only protects incumbents from GAA.  
Once the PAL license takes place, PALs would be protected from GAA.  As I 
understand it, GAA doesn't get protected from other GAA, it's up to you to do 
frequency coordination manually.  And if a PAL holder needs your frequency, you 
would lose your grant and have to manually select a different frequency.

As far as mutual interference, the difference probably is that a cellco is 
doing spectrum aggregation, while a WISP is probably using CBRS exclusively.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; dave 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

I thought SAS was suppose to stop this from happening?  I would assume they are 
being interfered on just as much as you are?

On 5/21/20 8:59 AM, dave wrote:
> Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
> So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately
> 3550-3640
> we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 
> 40mhz x2
> 
> 
> On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave, can you expand on this:
>>
>> “We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
>> wall block into the metro portion of our coverage."
>>
>> I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco 
>> firing up its gear on you?
>>
>> Peter Kranz
>> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?
>>
>> I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
>> I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
>> confidence with google.
>> Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
>> We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
>> wall block into the metro portion of our coverage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

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Yep, we’ve created PO’s and placed all our orders till end of 2020.  



> On Jun 9, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> It's way worse now.  You'll need to order 4-6 months out.  My March order is 
> probably going to ship August from their projections.  Hopefully UPS doesn't 
> lose it on the way here like my drops cables...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:55 AM Ryan Hill  > wrote:
> Speaking of Calix 844e’s…
> 
> How’s your current inventory levels, and ETAs on shipments?  We’ve had a 
> horrible time getting hardware since November 2019
> 
> Ryan
> 
> > On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I don't know that Calix offers anything you can't get somewhere else, even 
> > reasonably packaged. Well, they certainly offer the ability to lock you in 
> > to their bubble and nickel and dime you for it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - 
> > Mike Hammett 
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > 
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> > 
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  > >
> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:12:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don’t think you can beat Calix for value. They allow such insight and 
> > control that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing with 
> > the garden variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder how 
> > you ever lived without them. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Darin Steffl 
> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM 
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers 
> > 
> > 
> > If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down based 
> > on purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that 
> > expensive at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too. 
> > 
> > By far better than any other managed solution available today. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com 
> >  > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has 
> > some that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are 
> > priced as such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who 
> > score well on tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like 
> > their proprietary SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor 
> > lock in for overpriced SFP’s. 
> > 
> > Are you doing media converters and just normal routers (hopefully with 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[James Howard]

Facebook is littered with it


Pun intended?  Based on the pictures I've seen, everywhere is littered 
afterwards...


From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered


I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't double 
check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own study to 
a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been better 
if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a 
mistake.

Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If a 
few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of right 
now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a 
treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  
If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger conclusion then 
of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies 
became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't 
one.
I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered 
with it.


On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:
I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how they 
acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they aren't 
allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be 
verified, therefore not adequate for science.

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that?


On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[chuck]

This reminds me of cell phone RF safety studies.  Or butter vs margarine.  What 
kind of diet is best.   

Always nice to have strong clearly convincing outcomes.  Those are rare.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't double 
check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own study to 
a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been better 
if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a 
mistake.

Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If a 
few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of right 
now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a 
treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  
If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger conclusion then 
of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies 
became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't 
one.

I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered 
with it.

 

On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

  I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 

  No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.

  --

   

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how 
they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they 
aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data 
can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.  

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that? 

 

On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:

  
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social
  

   

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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Josh Luthman]

It's way worse now.  You'll need to order 4-6 months out.  My March order
is probably going to ship August from their projections.  Hopefully UPS
doesn't lose it on the way here like my drops cables...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:55 AM Ryan Hill  wrote:

> Speaking of Calix 844e’s…
>
> How’s your current inventory levels, and ETAs on shipments?  We’ve had a
> horrible time getting hardware since November 2019
>
> Ryan
>
> > On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> >
> > I don't know that Calix offers anything you can't get somewhere else,
> even reasonably packaged. Well, they certainly offer the ability to lock
> you in to their bubble and nickel and dime you for it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange
> >
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:12:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don’t think you can beat Calix for value. They allow such insight and
> control that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing with
> the garden variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder how
> you ever lived without them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Darin Steffl
> > Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
> >
> >
> > If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down
> based on purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that
> expensive at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too.
> >
> > By far better than any other managed solution available today.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote:
> >
> >
> > What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has
> some that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are
> priced as such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who
> score well on tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like
> their proprietary SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor
> lock in for overpriced SFP’s.
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Matt Hoppes]

I thought SAS was suppose to stop this from happening?  I would assume 
they are being interfered on just as much as you are?


On 5/21/20 8:59 AM, dave wrote:

Well SNR goes  to crap on every sub where you and the celco overlap.
So none of the spectrum they are on can be used. Which is aproximately 
3550-3640
we found 2 panels facing our direction side by side look like using 
40mhz x2



On 5/20/20 1:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Hi Dave, can you expand on this:

“We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
wall block into the metro portion of our coverage."


I’m San Francisco, so totally metro.. what is the impact of the celco 
firing up its gear on you?


Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:32 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.

Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a 
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS reliable now?

[Matt Hoppes]

What happens when the cellco fires up their gear?  Do you get asked to 
move and move gracefully?  Or do you have to do some kind of manual 
intervention?


How is the 450i/Medusa through trees?

On 5/20/20 10:31 AM, dave wrote:

I am fully deployed with about 800 subs and 40 Aps with pmp450/450i/450m.
I have seen some great numbers since moving to CBRS with total 
confidence with google.

Loving the new move to 30Mhz channels and 20mhz sizes.
We are seeing a celco fire up some of its gear though almost like a wall 
block into the metro portion of our coverage.




On 5/20/20 8:20 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's due in 5 months.  No one says you have to be done between now and 
October.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I recall 3 SAS outages discussed on this list.  One with Google
and two with Federated.

Whether it's production ready or not, these are the new rules we
need to be using.


On 5/18/2020 4:09 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:


Anyone deployed Cambium 450m gear under the new CBRS/SAS ruleset
in an Urban environment have comments on how reliably your access
points remain functional? i.e. receiving grants.. Should I
consider this production ready at this point, or wait?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Ken Hohhof]

Go back to your parallel universe where people are still rational.  You’re 
confusing me, is this a trick?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

 

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't double 
check this data, therefore it isn't good enough."  They held their own study to 
a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It would have been better 
if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless they were willing to admit a 
mistake.

Keep in mind there are hundreds of studies and clinical trials under way.  If a 
few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of evidence.  As of right 
now the evidence is still saying that hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a 
treatment, but there is reason to hope that it might work as a preventative.  
If the completion of more studies leads to a different stronger conclusion then 
of course we should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies 
became a political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't 
one.

I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is littered 
with it.

 

On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science. 

No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.

--

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how they 
acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they aren't 
allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the data can't be 
verified, therefore not adequate for science.  

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how often 
does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about that"?  How 
often does anyone do that? 

 

On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20
 

 _source=twitter_medium=social  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Chuck McCown]

They opened things back up.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  I heard that Utah is at a 21% growth rate right now.  6th of 50..  what 
> changed?
> 
>> On 6/8/20 8:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:
>> I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
>> No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we learned the 
>> absolute cure for COVID-19:Mass public gatherings and riots.
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> They bought the source data from a research company.  When pressed on how 
>>> they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company replied that they 
>>> aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality agreements.  Therefore the 
>>> data can't be verified, therefore not adequate for science.  
>>> 
>>> Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked" by evil 
>>> scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By contrast how 
>>> often does a politician come back and say, "oh I guess I was wrong about 
>>> that"?  How often does anyone do that? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:
 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social
  
 
 ... I just can't believe it!  
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Ryan Hill]

Speaking of Calix 844e’s…

How’s your current inventory levels, and ETAs on shipments?  We’ve had a 
horrible time getting hardware since November 2019

Ryan

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I don't know that Calix offers anything you can't get somewhere else, even 
> reasonably packaged. Well, they certainly offer the ability to lock you in to 
> their bubble and nickel and dime you for it.
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don’t think you can beat Calix for value. They allow such insight and 
> control that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing with the 
> garden variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder how you 
> ever lived without them. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Darin Steffl 
> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers 
> 
> 
> If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down based on 
> purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that expensive 
> at all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too. 
> 
> By far better than any other managed solution available today. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has some 
> that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are priced as 
> such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who score well on 
> tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like their 
> proprietary SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor lock in for 
> overpriced SFP’s. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers

[Mike Hammett]

I don't know that Calix offers anything you can't get somewhere else, even 
reasonably packaged. Well, they certainly offer the ability to lock you in to 
their bubble and nickel and dime you for it.



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





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Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers





I don’t think you can beat Calix for value. They allow such insight and control 
that it will save you a bunch of time and money just dealing with the garden 
variety tech support router crap calls that you will wonder how you ever lived 
without them. 




From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 7:06 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber customer routers 


If you just get the gigacenter 844E, they start at $109 and go down based on 
purchase agreements. We get them for $100 each. I don't find that expensive at 
all. Their mesh solution is great and affordable too. 

By far better than any other managed solution available today. 


On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 4:58 PM Dev < d...@logicalwebhost.com > wrote: 


What routers are you using in the home for fiber deployments? Calix has some 
that are gold-plated and made with baby seal tears, or at least are priced as 
such. They promise marital harmony in the home, bright kids who score well on 
tests, etc. Is there a lest costly alternative? I don’t like their proprietary 
SFP’s on their GPON setup anyway, guaranteeing vendor lock in for overpriced 
SFP’s. 

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Re: [AFMUG] FS:  New Cambium 450 CBRS APs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Medusa and 450i

From: AF  on behalf of "tpa...@ecpi.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 8:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS:  New Cambium 450 CBRS APs

So what are you going to use instead?
Medusa, LTE?
Tushar



On Jun 9, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
Cambium Networks PMP450 CBRS 3.5 GHz Access Point C036045A001A
New, Surplus(10 Available) $999.00 each /// MSRP=$2895




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Re: [AFMUG] FS:  New Cambium 450 CBRS APs

[Tushar Patel]

So what are you going to use instead?
Medusa, LTE?

Tushar


> On Jun 9, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
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> Cambium Networks PMP450 CBRS 3.5 GHz Access Point C036045A001A
> New, Surplus(10 Available) $999.00 each /// MSRP=$2895
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[AFMUG] FS:  New Cambium 450 CBRS APs

[Gino A. Villarini]

Cambium Networks PMP450 CBRS 3.5 GHz Access Point C036045A001A
New, Surplus(10 Available) $999.00 each /// MSRP=$2895


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we were snookered

[Adam Moffett]

I'm not really sure what the complaint is.  The authors said, "we can't 
double check this data, therefore it isn't good enough." They held their 
own study to a high standard, it failed, and they retracted it.  It 
would have been better if they hadn't published it, but nevertheless 
they were willing to admit a mistake.


Keep in mind there are /hundreds /of studies and clinical trials under 
way.  If a few get thrown out there will still be a strong body of 
evidence.  As of right now the evidence is still saying that 
hydroxychloroquine is not effective as a treatment, but there is reason 
to hope that it might work as a preventative. If the completion of more 
studies leads to a different /stronger/ conclusion then of course we 
should accept that. It's baffling to me that medical studies became a 
political topic in the US, so I'm choosing to believe it really isn't one.


I'm not interested in discussing riots or protests here.  Facebook is 
littered with it.



On 6/8/2020 11:30 PM, justsumname . wrote:

I thought if it's not peer-reviewed, it's not real science.
No worries, it's not a thing.   The big news now is, recently we 
learned the absolute cure for COVID-19:    Mass public gatherings and 
riots.

--



On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:59 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


They bought the source data from a research company. When pressed
on how they acquired data on 96,000 cases the research company
replied that they aren't allowed to say due to confidentiality
agreements.  Therefore the data can't be verified, therefore not
adequate for science.

Rather than believing the popular narrative that we were "tricked"
by evil scientists, I'm quite happy that science did it's job.  By
contrast how often does a politician come back and say, "oh I
guess I was wrong about that"? How often does anyone do that?


On 6/7/2020 10:44 AM, justsumname . wrote:


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20_source=twitter_medium=social


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[AFMUG] Looking for Technical Writer/Documentation Person

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm hiring some sort of person to write documentation, spec sheets, etc.
for PacketFlux.

I've been down this path a few times over the years with no luck, having
hired various people over the years with never getting any actual usable
work product.

It's time to try again.  I know a few people from this community have
expressed interest in the past but I wasn't ready for them at the time.
I'm hoping anyone who is interested will reply, probably off-list.

Or if anyone has a suggestion on where to find an appropriate person,
please let me know.

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