Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don’t forget Zabbix, free and can do virtually anything if you put your mind to 
it.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run 
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do. 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.selector.ai=E6428FBC-1804-A506-A041-AFF83B7DD506=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-fe4d728472928f532fb6e0e8cb07fa811fd8ccd6

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported for a 
long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things like 
Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates if 
you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect all your 
devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter what you want to 
report from each device. Get the devices on a network where your contractor can 
reach them, and have them build the templates for you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for 
remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind of 
what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.

https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Bash it is!

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.



From: castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm 

Re: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Just wondering what the reason is for pulling the MikroTik Switches ?




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From: AF  on behalf of Zach Underwood 

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 9:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] sale bulk used Mikrotik swtiches

We are working on pulling out Mikrotik switches from the network and looking 
for vendors to buy the used switches. I have tried SWG and they went silent on 
emails so I am looking for another vendor. All hardware is located in ATL but 
can bulk ship.

We have almost all models of crs1xx, crs2xx, crs3xx with a mix of poe and non 
poe

Example we have close to 100x CRS328

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Re: [AFMUG] Options for Selling Wireless Equipment

[Dennis Burgess]

Post it on here   Or send me the list and I can see what I can give ya for 
some/all of it. 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 4:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Options for Selling Wireless Equipment

There are a couple of ISP sales groups (ISP Auctions and WISP Equipment 2.0).


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From: "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 7:19:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Options for Selling Wireless Equipment
SurplusWirelessGear
Facebook "WISP pics" or similar groups
I can't think of any others offhand.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 4:58 p.m. Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to sell new or used wireless 
equipment? eBay is so unfriendly to sellers anymore I hate to go that route.

Jason
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Re: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?

[Dennis Burgess]

Networks, etc., are dead, my opinion.  On demand is where it is at, ZERO 
commercials needed.I don't watch sports, nor have a "network TV service".  
Netflix and YouTube premium is about it.  Lots of options, zero commercials, I 
don't think I have seen a commercial in at least 5 years.  Lol, unless at 
someone else's home.

The only issue is the decentralization of the streaming industry now, 
originally it was Netflix and that was about it, Disney is making crappy 
decisions, raising rates, you add HBO, Paramount, etc, and you are back to a 
cable bill.  Disney keeps removing content, witch sucks for consumers and the 
people who helped make the movies.

Movie houses are also going belly up, less and less of them.

From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:49 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] who caves first? charter? disney?


Talking heads are making it out to be a big deal.  They'll both lose a lot of 
money.  Charter may not survive
pay tv may not survive

my take?  per 1,000 facebook posts here last Saturday as SEC football kicked 
off, they're all dropping whatever
charter they had left and going to youtube tv.  meaning it's all being dumped 
on our networks (ok, no worries).

disney isn't going to lose that revenue, now it's just coming in from a 
different pay-tv provider.

so i see charter being the big loser.  Those SEC football fans are going to 
find a way to get the feed.
Seems youtube tv is now getting their money - - - if they weren't before.


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Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

[Dennis Burgess]

You can use 9dot and do your power control, dc in on solar panels 48 volt 
system..Just another option, lots of reporting and metering there..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

OMG get meters.  The panels and batteries will cost more up front and they 
won't last as long.  Solar sucks here in Ohio, it's only going to be worse 
where you're at.

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 11:54 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:st...@togservice.com>> wrote:
we have a dozen or so, but are looking at pole mount micropops (our own poles). 
We are losing a grain elevator site because they decommissioned the elevator 
and theres no real options for the customers in some of the areas. Im just 
trying to get to something we can get solar power with enough battery to last 
through overcast. So Im calculating per battery runtimes, then will look at 
number of batteries we would need to survive vs paying for a ROW meter vs 
losing the customers. Just have to get to the cost per customer to retain them 
and the benefit gained per pole


On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 8:53 AM Brian Webster 
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
How many of the batteries do you have? Do you need any voltages other than the 
48 volts? If you have 4 batteries and only need 48 volts then wire them in 
series and not have to deal with the converter.

Thank you,
Brian Webster


From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:59 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

*You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end of capacity.
Lower load usually means a little extra capacity out of the battery.  I 
realized that sentence might have been ambiguous.


From: dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 6:56 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

You can do the whole thing in Watts.

12V * 150ah = 1800 Watt-hours
1800Wh / 50W = 36 hours

If they’re telling me 95% efficiency, I’d assume 50W out needs 53W in (50 / 
0.95).
There’s usually an efficiency curve for the device based on load and 
temperature so it wouldn’t be 95% in all circumstances.  Your system should be 
drawing less than 5A off the battery, and if your multimeter has a 10A fuse 
like most do, then you could put the meter in line and actually measure the 
amperage before and after the converter.  Then you’d know for sure.

And the battery’s total capacity will have a curve based on C-rate so there’s 
some variability there too.  Usually it lasts longer when you’re drawing lower 
amperage.  You’re around C/30 which should be on the high end.

Age and maintenance of the battery affect runtime as well.  If I want 6 hours 
of runtime then I plan Ah for 12 hours runtime. When my batteries are halfway 
toasted I’m still getting useful life out of them.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 9:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] battery nerd question

Just trying to cipher runtimes
I have on hand 150ah 12 volt batteries, so thats what id be looking to use.
Excluding the conversion loss of a 12v to 48v step up converter is the math 
correct here?
12v 150ah=1800 watt hours
1800 watt hours at 48v = 37.5ah
50 watts of radio running 48v = 1.04 amps
37.5ah @ 1.04 amps = 32.77 hours runtime

does a step up that claims 95% efficiency mean 95% of the watt hours?
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

[Dennis Burgess]

Here is the comparison.

https://www.linktechs.net/index.html#cloud



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From: Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 7:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

Ya, I don’t think I typed that, but

http://rwb.linktechs.net is what most of our customers use, or 
https://cloud.linktechs.net.   RWB is scalable, i.e. you pay as you use the 
service, more routers you add etc.  The other is a pay by package, i.e. 50 
routers, 100 routers etc.


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 4:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

I know you fat fingered that one, Bill :)

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:45 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Think you fat-fingered that URL

https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fdwb.linktechs.com=7506EABD-0253-BE06-87E1-0F28EC680C92=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-7032e498efef6056c242bef284faaa13af166a7a

bp


On 8/4/2023 6:22 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
We have a number of customers using hAP AC2 or AX2 units with 
http://rwb.linktechs.net, this allows them to share access to manage their own 
wifi etc..  Works out quite well, and it’s a pay as you go thing.  


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Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
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From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 5:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:Af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

What are you guys using for customer routers? The best option I've found 
overall is TP Link, but their system only manages their mesh routers at the 
moment. The best hardware I've found is Calix, but their management is 
considerably over priced. Any other suggestions?

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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

[Dennis Burgess]

Ya, I don’t think I typed that, but

http://rwb.linktechs.net is what most of our customers use, or 
https://cloud.linktechs.net.   RWB is scalable, i.e. you pay as you use the 
service, more routers you add etc.  The other is a pay by package, i.e. 50 
routers, 100 routers etc.


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 4:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

I know you fat fingered that one, Bill :)

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:45 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Think you fat-fingered that URL

https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fdwb.linktechs.com=B3CD5897-0253-A006-87E1-7F6552E0F801=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-8d4d4f31536760d94f841ab18cd38ce6b2a310c1

bp


On 8/4/2023 6:22 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
We have a number of customers using hAP AC2 or AX2 units with 
http://rwb.linktechs.net, this allows them to share access to manage their own 
wifi etc..  Works out quite well, and it’s a pay as you go thing.  


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
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From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 5:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:Af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

What are you guys using for customer routers? The best option I've found 
overall is TP Link, but their system only manages their mesh routers at the 
moment. The best hardware I've found is Calix, but their management is 
considerably over priced. Any other suggestions?

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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

[Dennis Burgess]

We have a number of customers using hAP AC2 or AX2 units with 
http://rwb.linktechs.net, this allows them to share access to manage their own 
wifi etc..  Works out quite well, and it’s a pay as you go thing.  


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 5:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed Subscriber Routers

What are you guys using for customer routers? The best option I've found 
overall is TP Link, but their system only manages their mesh routers at the 
moment. The best hardware I've found is Calix, but their management is 
considerably over priced. Any other suggestions?
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Re: [AFMUG] wispa

[Dennis Burgess]

Nope, it don’t, but it happens every show..

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 10:06 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] wispa

I wonder if wispa sanctions this spam?

From: Alicia Paul
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 8:59 AM
To: sa...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Go-Mtc

Hi,

Just wanted to do a quick follow-up on my below email.

Please review my below email and let me know your interest.

May I send quote/pricing details for decision-making?

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Alicia

From: Alicia Paul
Sent: Thursdy, July 13, 2023, 10:53 AM
To: sa...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Go-Mtc

Hi,

We are happy to let you know that the pre-registered attendance list for the 
“WISPAPALOOZA 2023” is now available to buy at the best possible price.

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Please let me know your views, so that I can share the counts and pricing 
details.

I look forward to your response.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT NEC

[Dennis Burgess]

Ask them where in the code it specifies those items.  Then you will know.  I 
have had interactions with the county and most of the time (especially on the 
second one) they will ask you do that, but its not required and its not in a 
code book.  Don't see how they can specify what you can put on your pallets, 
they are flammable as well.  Course they may accept it if you have the proper 
fire prevention system.  In my county, the fire department don't even require 
access.


If you are nice to them, they typically will treat you the same..  Well 
normally..




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Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
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From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 5:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT NEC

Got gigged by the fire department today on a couple items.

1)Hand coil of wire up in the ceiling over a spot where a machine used to 
be.  Not gonna cut it off as some other machine may go there.  It is coiled and 
cut dead and capped in the breaker panel.  They are quoting a junction box 
without a cover and saying I guess I have to mount a big assed box up there to 
enclose this dead wire?  Opinions.

2)Nothing flammable on our pallet racking.  Every warehouse I have ever 
been has pallet racking full of things in corrugated boxes.  Having a hard time 
buying this.  So we can only store steel and rocks up there.  They do say we 
can put our non flammable items on a pallet  Anyone ever run across this 
before?

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
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Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question

[Dennis Burgess]

Really depends on a lot of things.

1.What router are you using?
2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams?
3. Are you not using BFD ?
4.  What version of RouterOS are you using?

V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda 
long..   


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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question

We have two circuits coming into our NOC.  We peer with 3 different providers 
on each circuit.  If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will 
start flowing though the surviving circuit.

However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this 
is happening.  Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process?  
Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes?  Will new faster 
routers help?  Is it a function of timers?  Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 
90s.  Should I investigate BFD?  

How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions?  

Thanks,
 Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

[Dennis Burgess]

Ya 700 is a bit much.  Really depends on how many changes you have at one time. 
 I have multiple books on OSPF, some state 80 is too many and others state 150, 
and so on.  So there is no definitive rule on it.  Really depends on how 
quickly you want it to converge.  Keep in mind, there is not an issue with 
having MUTPLE backbone areas, just need to segment it accordingly and then put 
static routes between them.

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2023 1:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

We are up to over 700 in a single area and it is starting to take more than 
just a few seconds for it to reconverge after a change, thinking it might be 
time to change things.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 10:17 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have customers with a bit over 200 in one area.  Really not how many devices 
you have, it depends on how many state changes you have normally.  That network 
is VERY stable, a lot of fiber, so it works well.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
castarritt
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 9:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

How many routes are you running over OSPF?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 9:34 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Try pushing a total of 20+Gbps, and probably more if you combine all the ports. 
 I'm not talking about running normally. I've run OSPF without an update for up 
to a year without a crash.   I'm talking when you need to make major changes to 
the structure of your area, add or remove p2p connections etc.   It tends not 
to like that at least on RO6 and the 1072.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:00 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have had ospf on routers running 5+ gig of traffic with uptimes of over 200 
days without issues. I can name a few customers that had or have those.  Just a 
FYI.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

OSPF will also kill the system and force a watchdog reboot.  If I remove a a 
long time link between routers sure enough the router will reboot itself a 
couple days later.  Anything OSPF when it comes to removing existing rules (if 
you have enough going on)  it will die.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:05 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Then why did mine have a kernel panic when there is no connection tracking?  
Why is it solved with significantly more traffic and only changing the firewall?

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM Trey Scarborough 
mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:

Its a known hardware issue with connection tracking enabled and hardware 
offload. It has a hard limit to the number of connections it supports that is 
pretty low. Its high enough you won't notice till you get significant traffic, 
but low enough it is a common issue. The fix is to turn off connection tracking 
I know this isn't the best solution, but its the only one that works. This and 
the hardware availability of the processor are the reason they are 
discontinued. The good news is that moving over to the newer generation seems 
to resolve this, but comes with a handful of version 7 quirks.
On 4/11/2023 5:55 PM, Alex Kessler wrote:

Been experiencing this bug for years while running NAT and connection tracking. 
 Rebooting every few months while running v6 latest.  Does v7 have any known 
fixes to resolve these watchdog reboots?





---




From: "Colin Stanners" < cstanners at gmail.com<http://gmail.com> >
To: "af" < af at af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being rock-solid 
to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100% CPU usage, 
which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case, tools->profile would show 
the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after temporarily disabling all firewall 
filte

Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

[Dennis Burgess]

We have customers with a bit over 200 in one area.  Really not how many devices 
you have, it depends on how many state changes you have normally.  That network 
is VERY stable, a lot of fiber, so it works well.

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 9:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

How many routes are you running over OSPF?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 9:34 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Try pushing a total of 20+Gbps, and probably more if you combine all the ports. 
 I'm not talking about running normally. I've run OSPF without an update for up 
to a year without a crash.   I'm talking when you need to make major changes to 
the structure of your area, add or remove p2p connections etc.   It tends not 
to like that at least on RO6 and the 1072.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:00 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have had ospf on routers running 5+ gig of traffic with uptimes of over 200 
days without issues. I can name a few customers that had or have those.  Just a 
FYI.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2023 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

OSPF will also kill the system and force a watchdog reboot.  If I remove a a 
long time link between routers sure enough the router will reboot itself a 
couple days later.  Anything OSPF when it comes to removing existing rules (if 
you have enough going on)  it will die.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:05 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Then why did mine have a kernel panic when there is no connection tracking?  
Why is it solved with significantly more traffic and only changing the firewall?

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM Trey Scarborough 
mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:

Its a known hardware issue with connection tracking enabled and hardware 
offload. It has a hard limit to the number of connections it supports that is 
pretty low. Its high enough you won't notice till you get significant traffic, 
but low enough it is a common issue. The fix is to turn off connection tracking 
I know this isn't the best solution, but its the only one that works. This and 
the hardware availability of the processor are the reason they are 
discontinued. The good news is that moving over to the newer generation seems 
to resolve this, but comes with a handful of version 7 quirks.
On 4/11/2023 5:55 PM, Alex Kessler wrote:

Been experiencing this bug for years while running NAT and connection tracking. 
 Rebooting every few months while running v6 latest.  Does v7 have any known 
fixes to resolve these watchdog reboots?





---




From: "Colin Stanners" < cstanners at gmail.com<http://gmail.com> >
To: "af" < af at af.afmug.com<http://af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being rock-solid 
to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100% CPU usage, 
which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case, tools->profile would show 
the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after temporarily disabling all firewall 
filter and NAT rules and connection tracking. Not fun.

MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly recommending 
to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or to upgrade 
firmware (without specifying the suspected cause of the problem or nature of 
the fix).

Tried 1 update, that didn't seem to help, have now tried another...

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:38 PM Steven Kenney < steve at 
wavedirect.org<http://wavedirect.org> > wrote:
MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years. Until this year and the 1072's. 
Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's. Some more than 
others. Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem exactly. Its a 
connection tracking issue.. however I need connection tracking on one 
particular router. I've adjusted everything I could. Firmware and board 
firmware all up to date etc. Happens randomly with low levels of

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Dennis Burgess]

We have plenty of CRS326-48P .. These are 48 POE out MikroTik Switches.. Just a 
FYI.  



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Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
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Cambium: ePMP 

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 5:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 POE 
ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 'Licensing' screen 
through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day 
countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working after 90 days?  I haven't used 
anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 switches were the last thing I dabbled 
with.

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Re: [AFMUG] Tiny PCB Ethernet Gigabit Switches

[Dennis Burgess]

The max by any standard including the BT standard is 71.3 watts to the device, 
…  Most of Type3, or 51 watts to the device (60 watt port). So I don’t know 
what you are talking about requiring 350 watts.

Maybe that may be the max POE out budget of a small switch,  but still.

We are still in development for a 802.3BT Type 3, device, we actually have the 
POE stuff done, just working on battery life and some extras that was 
requested.  We are hoping by 2nd quarter this year we will have a PowerLink BT 
out that will do 802.3bt Type 3.  Specifically for Tarana CPES.



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tiny PCB Ethernet Gigabit Switches

Why do you need 350 watts for an SM to survey with?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 2:23 PM Scott Vander Dussen 
mailto:sc...@ezwave.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion; the PowerLink looks cool and compact.
I need 4-pair 48v PoE at 350 watts and a gig port; as far as I can tell the 
PowerLink can’t handle that wattage or gig port.


On Feb 24, 2023, at 07:56, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Just plug in a PowerLink.  Problem solved.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:04 PM Scott Vander Dussen 
mailto:sc...@ezwave.com>> wrote:
Since the list is quiet...

I’ve been developing a new compact battery survey tool and had need for a tiny 
gigabit switch. I discovered BotBlox, a company in the UK, whom has developed 
some creative and extremely compact switching solutions. The website and 
products has a Packetflux feel (which I like).

Products - Standard Series - 
BotBlox<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fbotblox.io%2fcollections%2fstandard%2dseries=9B53DE0A-F579-E705-901F-BB79B5A19EC6=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-980d23835d3c600ceff0ad6dd803b2507558>
botblox.io<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fbotblox.io%2fcollections%2fstandard%2dseries=9B53DE0A-F579-E705-901F-BB79B5A19EC6=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-980d23835d3c600ceff0ad6dd803b2507558>

<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fbotblox.io%2fcollections%2fstandard%2dseries=9B53DE0A-F579-E705-901F-BB79B5A19EC6=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-980d23835d3c600ceff0ad6dd803b2507558>



Thought I’d pass along the resource.

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Re: [AFMUG] Digital mobile radio work

[Dennis Burgess]

Never know.!!!

I worked with a Bus company once, they had poor performance uploading the NVR 
data to the DC when the bus was in the bus lot.

When I got there, I found the radio (airspan I believe), with a LMR 100 cable 
running the length of the building, around 120 feet, to a coupler to LRM 400 12 
foot out side to a 12 dbi 5ghz antenna.

I moved the radio, plugged it directly into the LMR400 and ran a cat5 across 
the building as they did not have any place else to plug it in (note I am not a 
cable jockey so left it on the ground), plugged it in, and magically they were 
getting 200 meg up from 2-5meg..   Informed their team, they were like umm ok…

Left, changed my flight on the way back to the airport, charged them a boat 
load for that one.

NOTE THEY DO NOT PUT BUS DEPOTS IN NICE NEIGHBORHOODS..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2023 10:26 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Digital mobile radio work

Three days of silence.  Is this one of those things like celebrities “break the 
internet”?   Jaime’s return broke AFMUG?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 8:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Digital mobile radio work

Worked on three buses today installing UHF Motorola mobile units with temporary 
antennas until glass mounted ones arrive later this week.

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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

[Dennis Burgess]

I would have to take a look, but sounds like duplicate routerID or BFD.  OSPF 
is pretty straight forward on this.  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 5:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out

I changed the RB4011 to a RB2009, and tried downgrading the RB4011 to
ROS6.49.6 from ROS7.5 and it's doing the exact same thing.  I've tried setting 
up an EoIP Tunnel across the F425, and changed the Router ID in OSPF.  Still 
doing the exact same thing.  As soon as I enable the F425 link, the Entire 
route table will flap between the Powerbridge and the
F425 even though the powerbridge is a cost of 20 higher than the F425.  
If I disable the F425, everything is stable over the Powerbridge.  Not sure 
what else to try.

On 10/6/2022 4:22 PM, Robert Haas wrote:
> Make sure you haven't duplicated your router id.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 1:58 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OSPF Pulling my hair out
>
> I have a site with a RB4011 connected via an old M5 Powerbridge, and an EPMP 
> PTP425.  The 4011 is running ROSv7, everything else is on ROSv6. Connecting 
> to a CCR1036 and CCR1009 on the other ends of the radios.
>
> Everything was working perfectly for several months until a storm came 
> through, and now the F425 OSPF Session will not stay stable. The OSPF 
> Weights are set to prefer the F425 link.  The OSPF neighbor never goes 
> down, Adjacency/state never change, but the RB4011 will update it's 
> entire routing table about every 5 seconds and flap back and forth 
> between the Powerbridge and the F425.  The remote routers never update 
> the route to the 4011, it is stable over the F425.  If I disable the
> F425 neighbor, everything is stable over the powerbridge.  If I disable the 
> Powerbridge neighbor, the router will lose connectivity for a second every 10 
> or 15 seconds, like it loses it's routing table.
>
> There is no packet loss across the F425 link, and it will Tik to Tik bw test 
> at 100MB sync no problem and no packet loss.  I've even tried changing ports 
> on the 4011, plugging the F425 into a completely separate OSPF router on the 
> remote end.  I've also put the traffic through a VLAN on the F425 to see if 
> the F425 was doing something weird with the packets.  The F425 radios on both 
> ends have been power cycled.  I've also updated ROS to the latest 7beta, and 
> no change.
>
> I'd think this is an issue with ROSv7/6 since the routing table keeps 
> updating, but the powerbridge link is always fine, so it feels like something 
> with the F425.  Especially since it happened after a storm.
> But at the same time, how could a failure of the F425 be affecting OSPF?  
> When I do OSPF Logging on the 4011, nothing is looking out of the ordinary.  
> I guess I could try physically changing the 4011, but I've never had a 
> failure like that before.
>
> Mainly I just want to vent that I'm probably missing something stupid, I just 
> haven't been able to figure out what it is yet.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fishing over Drop Ceiling

[Dennis Burgess]

Remote control car 4x4   



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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 9:05 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fishing over Drop Ceiling

I need to go about 30' across a drop ceiling.  I do not want to remove any 
tiles in the middle.  If I put a tennis ball on the end of my screw together 
fiberglass rods will that be enough to bounce over the ceiling supports as I 
push it?  Does it need to be bigger or smoother?

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Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

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We are not.  We just tell you we will get it done as quickly as possible.  Our 
cutoff date was the 18th.  While I don’t want to put my foot in my own mouth, I 
bet we will see either the FCC extending it the day before or not caring as 
long as you file within some specified time afterword’s.  What they have mostly 
always done.  Also, this one is an exception as everyone has to figure out 
their BDC stuff. Sooo..  If you want us to do it, we can (course we also have 
self service options as well), but if you go full service then it won’t be done 
by the 1st at this point in time.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

I'm running short on time with this nonsense. I'm still data entering the site 
info accurately into cnheat. Havent even started on subscriber stuff.
About how long on average is the turnaround for these paid services? I assume 
some of them are going pirate now and charging "expedited service fees"

On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 10:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I wonder if it is like filing a tax return.  You can file a blank return
with just a signature and you will not get fined for not filing or late
filing.


-Original Message-
From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 7:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC service

On 8/25/22 12:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Not filing is a bad decision.


The filing thing rejected half of my location IDs as invalid. Apparently
they are marked 'bsl_flag=false' in the fabric data. All of my locations
IDs are commercial/business which were hit or miss which were flagged
true or false. The ID for our physical address where we provide gigabit
Ethernet to in-building neighbors was rejected, of all the locations
that one is the *most* serviceable of them all.

So if it's such a big deal they need to fine people I'll just submit
what it will accept and ignore what it won't.  Seems like a great way to
keep having inaccurate data though unless they only really care about
residential, in which which case 100% of my filing is irrelevant.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

[Dennis Burgess]

TowerCoverage.com can do that. 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2022 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] BDC

Did I read someone here stated some of you would review BDC filings and sign 
off on them?  Are the details of this posted somewhere?

Thanks!
Dave Hannum
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[AFMUG] Apparently

[Dennis Burgess]

Everyone decided to update their maps to ULTRA setting today. Currently at 1952 
jobs to do on TowerCoverage.com .lol



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Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Dennis Burgess]

Sent 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 8:40 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent


I would post a copy of the email on the NANOG list with any sensitive 
information redacted. That would probably get them some nice feedback.
On 8/4/2022 12:24 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
So we just got a email from cogent, we have told them time and time again to 
stop calling and stop emailing.  We tell them are good on bandwidth and we 
don’t need any of their services.. They then sent us a e-mail stating that they 
saw us coming though one of their customers networks from Link Technologies, 
Inc, and figured we would want to buy direct instead of going though one of 
their customers. Yes COGENT stated this; well at least one of their sales reps. 
 Sounds underhanded, shady, and unethical to me.Just figured I would post 
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[AFMUG] Cogent

[Dennis Burgess]

So we just got a email from cogent, we have told them time and time again to 
stop calling and stop emailing.  We tell them are good on bandwidth and we 
don’t need any of their services.. They then sent us a e-mail stating that they 
saw us coming though one of their customers networks from Link Technologies, 
Inc, and figured we would want to buy direct instead of going though one of 
their customers. Yes COGENT stated this; well at least one of their sales reps. 
 Sounds underhanded, shady, and unethical to me.Just figured I would post 
about it; see if I am making a mountain out of a mole hill 


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR PoE Input

[Dennis Burgess]

We have a few 1009s .. FYI.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2022 9:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR PoE Input


Those are great If you can find them, but then again CCRs are a little hard 
to come by too.
On 8/2/2022 9:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why don't you just feed it 48vdc?

https://www.neobits.com/mikrotik_pw48v_12v85w_mikrotik_pw48v_12v85w_48v_p14295922.html?atc=gbp=CjwKCAjwlqOXBhBqEiwA-hhitMTJztRW8suwASFjy_t_IzfEQ-OTAHot7sWBxBwTzBybFAFLHVgOxxoCr6MQAvD_BwE

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 5:05 PM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What variant of CCR? I don't think they all support PoE.

Every MikroTik PoE device I've seen just uses 4,5+/7/8-. I don't know that 
you'd need all four pairs, although most gigabit PoE devices will take power on 
any combination of pins.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 2:50 PM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Does anyone know what pins work for powering a compatible CCR unit via DC?  I 
can't seem to find anything that specs more than two pairs, I assume I need all 
4 pairs for power and gigabit data. I'd like to power a couple of CCR's using 
ports on a rackinjector.

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[AFMUG] BDC and Certification is LIVE on TowerCoverage.com

[Dennis Burgess]

BDC (Broadband Data Collection) orders are now LIVE on TowerCoverage.com as 
well as 1/9 ARC data is now available.  We also can certify your BDC data if 
you wish.


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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

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As a ISP you are required to do so..  Just a FYI..  



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

On 7/21/22 7:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.  
> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did 
> get some wins.



Since shutting down the majority of my ISP operations I have literally 5 street 
addresses I will continue provide service at. I don't want to make a stupid map 
or have to get some PE to certify anything.

I will happly provide a list of the 5 addresses but anything beyond that seems 
like a clusterfuck of punishment.

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Re: [AFMUG] BDC

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It is on top of the current Form 477 requirements currently.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement with 
increased requirements?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
“Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport - only 
then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally connects it to 
layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
To: Chuck McCown
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

>Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access who 
>have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> wrote:
But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a 
loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not apply 
to me.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)

On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with free 
access to the internet thrown in...

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BDC

WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.  There's 
way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get some wins.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
That is sarcasm
Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.

From: Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] BDC

Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months. Then the 
full PE cert is required.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: [AFMUG] BDC

Starting to look into what I have to do.
Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the 
alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
(ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering and design, 
deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of relevant experience 
in broadband network engineering, design, and/or performance.

I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Dennis Burgess]

Q4..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 9:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

Any word on when the 5009 UPr might be available? I expect we'll be using a lot 
of those...

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 6:48 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
MikroTik 328-48P or 24P is a good rackmount switch.  The 24Ps have been out of 
stock though, but we have quite a few 48P’s in stock.These are dual voltage.

Another thought is the new 5009 UPr, these you can put a rackmount kit with 
them, and install 4 of them in one U of space and will have 8 POE out, but they 
are not dual voltage, but they are a great router I foresee these being 
installed at tower sites once they become mainstream.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:Af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a tower 
site? It would be nice if it had dual voltage options as well.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Dennis Burgess]

MikroTik 328-48P or 24P is a good rackmount switch.  The 24Ps have been out of 
stock though, but we have quite a few 48P’s in stock.These are dual voltage.

Another thought is the new 5009 UPr, these you can put a rackmount kit with 
them, and install 4 of them in one U of space and will have 8 POE out, but they 
are not dual voltage, but they are a great router I foresee these being 
installed at tower sites once they become mainstream.


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a tower 
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Dennis Burgess]

They changed the hardware so they, in not ALL cases, are not v6 compatible 
anymore.

This is mostly due to parts shortages.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 12:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

I think even some of the v6 compatible routers are now shipping on v7 only hw

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 9:35 AM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later" attitude 
that MikroTik sometimes shows.

The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily used 
them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts suggest that 
those issues were fixed through software updates.
The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core place in 
infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been reduced 
through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and CCR2216 share 
similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.

But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just 
decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat 
acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the newer 
routers.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be great.  
I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers complaining about mid 
day reboots.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just need a 
small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked a few 
models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind though!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you can 
get   Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s now buying 
2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger is ok, just 
smaller is not.  


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But thanks 
for checking in Dennis!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is stuff in 
stock.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0=0==-1==1==0=0=0=0=125=2=






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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com>
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try a

Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Dennis Burgess]

We are using v7 in production without issues..  


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

I feel like RouterOS V7 is the crux of the "ship first test later" attitude 
that MikroTik sometimes shows.

The RB4011 semi-freezes were a rare problem (bad for people who riskily used 
them at tower sites, hopefully no one did that...). Forum posts suggest that 
those issues were fixed through software updates.
The CCR2004 random reboots were a bigger issue due to their more core place in 
infrastructure. Forum posts suggest that those problems have been reduced 
through software updates but still exist. Given that CCR2116 and CCR2216 share 
similar Annapurna Labs CPUs, their stability is in question.

But those cases pale in comparison to the many V7 issues "OSPF is just 
decoration"  "BGP? Who needs that working?"  etc. These would be somewhat 
acceptable on non-shipping software, but V7 is required on most of the newer 
routers.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:58 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Once v7 gets to a point where it's not so problematic that 2116 will be great.  
I'd rather stick with older stuff/v6 than have customers complaining about mid 
day reboots.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 9:14 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just need a 
small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked a few 
models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind though!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you can 
get   Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s now buying 
2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger is ok, just 
smaller is not.  


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com>

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But thanks 
for checking in Dennis!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is stuff in 
stock.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0=0==-1==1==0=0=0=0=125=2=






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Dennis Burgess

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com>
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep 
people moving.

If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, J

Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Dennis Burgess]

Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you can 
get   Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s now buying 
2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger is ok, just 
smaller is not.  


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But thanks 
for checking in Dennis!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is stuff in 
stock.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0=0==-1==1==0=0=0=0=125=2=






[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com>
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep 
people moving.

If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.Like 
we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders will come 
through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on the short term 
it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this stuff" to "I hope the 
orders pick back up since we don't have any more room to store stock".   Like I 
said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that I'm curious what is driving 
this odd ordering pattern

I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a side 
effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from other 
(radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't get radios 
for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE injectors for the 
nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people have moved to "order 
several months at once" instead of "order as you go".

So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.

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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Dennis Burgess]

We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is stuff in 
stock.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0=0==-1==1==0=0=0=0=125=2=






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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.

There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT 
stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most popular 
switches and routers.

Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep 
people moving.

If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>


On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.Like 
we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders will come 
through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on the short term 
it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this stuff" to "I hope the 
orders pick back up since we don't have any more room to store stock".   Like I 
said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that I'm curious what is driving 
this odd ordering pattern

I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a side 
effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from other 
(radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't get radios 
for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE injectors for the 
nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people have moved to "order 
several months at once" instead of "order as you go".

So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.

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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[Dennis Burgess]

SRE and BRE was the favs around here.  We had tradewars..  Joining fidonet was 
the closest thing to email back then.   I preferred SRE (Solar Realms Elite)  
.. Article about the author of SRE/BRE.. 
http://breakintochat.com/blog/2013/02/18/amit-patel-creator-of-solar-realms-elite/



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From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

I heard Steve wants to play Trade Wars.
Is there a telnet BBS around somewhere still?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

nerds

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.

I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had like 
all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI hard 
drive.

There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the 
software “guy” updated every now and then.

I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some stuff.

Fun times!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] BBS


Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars

- Reply message -
From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet ☺   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars…

Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff was,   
a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files online for 
download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.

Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or even 
Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of my 
mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Grou

Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[Dennis Burgess]

BBSes are still around, I ran a 4 line TriBBS back in the day, started it back 
in 92 ..  started with 9600 baud modems and ended up with 56k (though we never 
saw greater that 48k back then on the lines around here, maybe it was 43.3, ah 
don’t’ rmemeber).  Deskview for multi-tasking to run two nodes on a 486 33mhz 
machine.    fun stuff back in the day..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

BBS was our social media back in the day.  Especially when we had BBS with 2 
lines so we could chat.   Hooked up with a few women actually that way .. its 
true

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 11:47 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
My kids like those but I think they’re one of the worst candies every made


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

nerds

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.

I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had like 
all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI hard 
drive.

There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the 
software “guy” updated every now and then.

I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some stuff.

Fun times!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BBS

I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] BBS


Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars

- Reply message -
From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM

Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and most 
of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much less 
sleep I used to need apparently.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I 
believe

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some other 
multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and later 
Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the freeware setup 
and run bbs’s now via good old telnet ☺   and yeah  the games were a blast,  
too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord) was huge back then,  or 
trade wars…

Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff was,   
a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files online for 
download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all worked.

Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or even 
Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000 with 
24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the sysops for 
a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game was pretty much 
determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you could make the 
moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Daniel Pautz via AF
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Daniel Pautz mailto:d...@webnx.com>&

Re: [AFMUG] Unobtanium 'tik 48v DC power board

[Dennis Burgess]

We have around 80 on order with MikroTik current shipping time is 9/9/22, keep 
in mind that is shipping time, figure 2 weeks after that, assuming it ships .. 


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Unobtanium 'tik 48v DC power board

I Haven't been able to find Mikrotik PW48V-12V85W power supplies in stock all 
year, not even on ebay.  Anyone have a lead on these?  I'm almost to the point 
where I will start trying to duct tape and bailing wire some RSD100C-12 
Meanwells to these Mikrotiks.
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Re: [AFMUG] VISP

[Dennis Burgess]

Lol…


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VISP

Never even tried to find the website... letssee, is altavista still working 
 maybe webcrawler, hate to do archie.


From: Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VISP

Fairly certain its on their website ?


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] VISP

What does VISP cost?


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Re: [AFMUG] VISP

[Dennis Burgess]

Fairly certain its on their website ?


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] VISP

What does VISP cost?

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Re: [AFMUG] UniFi migrate to cloud key

[Dennis Burgess]

99% I bet it something stupidly simple and you have been looking at it so long, 
you can’t see it.  Happens all of the time even with experienced engineers! 


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 10:00 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] UniFi migrate to cloud key

If a unifi network is already managed in a unifi server and then someone comes 
along and plugs in a cloud key on the LAN, can you then just adopt all the 
stuff into the cloud key?  Or do you have to “forget” them on the server first?

-Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] -48vdc site

[Dennis Burgess]

So, this is interesting thread, my question is why?  

What is better -48 or +48?  Or any of those options.  Why does telcom 
standardize on -48?  There has to be a reason? 



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Certified 
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 2:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48vdc site

+ goes to +

- goes to -

Always.

Giving something -48 means you have grounded the + side of the power supply.

Giving something + 48 means you have grounded the - side of the power supply.

Giving something 48 might mean neither side is grounded and it is a floating 
power supply.

Some devices use chassis ground in common with the power input.  If a device 
grounds the negative side of the power input internally, then it will need a 
positive or floating supply.

If a device grounds the + side of the power circuit internally then it needs a 
negative or floating supply.  Lots of telecom gear is in this category.

If you take a device and measure each side of the power input to ground, and 
find continuity from + or - to the chassis, you need to match that to the 
polarity.

If you measure it and find no connection to the chassis, there is a chance it 
does not care.  However powered off continuity measurements could change with 
power on.  If you have it powered on on the bench and measure from the chassis 
to either side of the power input, and get a strong reading matching the input 
voltage on one of the leads, the the input of the device is definitely using 
the chassis as a ground.  The ground can be positive or negative, whatever the 
designer decided it was.

But you can still run -48 devices off of floating 48.  And  you can run them 
off of +48 under certain circumstances.
1)  You have to insulate the chassis from ground.  Best to put a warning sign 
on it that the chassis is hot.
2)It cannot have any external connections that contain a chassis 
connection like a coax with the shield connected to the chassis.  A CAT5 cable 
drain wire would also short it out.  As would most POE configurations. 
If it is a router, in a plastic box, without POE connections,  you might get 
away with it.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48vdc site

So when I hook that up to -48vdc, do I just give it -48 or do the leads need to 
be reversed?

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- Original Message -
> From: "castarritt" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 1:58:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48vdc site

> I asked this list the same thing a while back and the answer was 
> Meanwell RSD-500C-48. You can probably get away with a lower power 
> rating than the
> 500
> watt I chose if you are only powering a 'tik and not a pile of Cambium 
> radios like I was.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:48 PM Christopher Tyler < [ 
> mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net | ch...@totalhighspeed.net ] > wrote:
>
>
> Need some help from the smarter than me electrical engineers here on 
> the list...
>
> What is the best way to power a Mikrotik router that takes +18-56vdc 
> from -48vdc source? Providing part numbers or model numbers would be 
> greatly appreciated.
>
> We tried the redneck engineering approach of just reversing the 
> polarity and it popped the fuse, nice little light show, but 
> ultimately unproductive.
>
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>
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> 1091 W. Kathryn Street
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Re: [AFMUG] List status

[Dennis Burgess]

One of the reason I HATE gmail!    hehehehe


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 10:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List status

Gmail really really wants to put AFMUG messages in Spam.  Even with a filter to 
explicitly not do that it still makes me click and tell it each message isn't 
spam.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 10:34 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
GMail will do that...


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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 8:47:30 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] List status
I have a gap in list messages between 3/31 and 4/20.  I thought the list had 
finally died it’s final death.



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Re: [AFMUG] Blocking email servers

[Dennis Burgess]

Inbound port 25, and 456..

I have lots of customers that block inbound to many ports, 81, 8080, 8181, 888, 
21-25, 53, 123, 161, etc..  Unless they pay for a static..

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking email servers

We just want to prevent residential email hosting.
Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 6, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Ron M. 
mailto:ccie4...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Gonna need more than just 25/tcp (SMTP). Will also need 465/tcp (SMTPS) and 
587/tcp (SUBMISSION)... and you'll need to tie it to the user's IP/block 
obviously otherwise you'll have a LOT of unhappy users.

Further commentary can be found here: 
https://www.mailgun.com/blog/which-smtp-port-understanding-ports-25-465-587/



On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 10:10 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ive been intending to block it inbound/outbound for some time. in 2022, other 
than mail server theres no legitimate reason to use that port.


On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 9:22 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Yes, or on the customer's router, either way. We block 25 but I'm not sure that 
is customary nowadays?

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 5:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Would that be something you would configure in the border/edge router?

From: TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, February 5, 2022 6:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blocking email servers

block port 25 outgoing

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 5:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
What is the best way to prevent customers from running their own email server?

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Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

[Dennis Burgess]

Ya, not stating that generators don't start.  We have had great luck with ours, 
and yes we do have way more battery time than a few minutes, but still.  I 
guess to each his own ...  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 7:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

Heh….2 minutes while the genset starts is a fantasy. Minimum is 4 hours 
of battery so when the power goes out and the generator fails to start that you 
have time to go to the shop, get a portable generator, drive to the site and 
beat the standby generator into submission or hook up the portable.24 hours 
of battery if you like to sleep.

Mark



> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:01 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> 
> 20kw genset with transfer switch is 5k.  don't know if this is a better 
> solution. I would venture to state that it would not be.  Drop in a genset 
> and a small battery just to keep things up for the 2 minutes while the genset 
> starts.  
> 
> 
> 
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> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of 
> "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 5:02 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack
> 
> Those run $1.7K plus shipping each from Signature Solar...
> 
> On 2/2/22 2:56 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>> How much vs Generator?
>> 
>> I have always been a fan of both.
>> 
>> Erich Kaiser
>> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> Office: 815-570-3101
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 4:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>I would never want to be without a generator, irrespective of the
>>size of my battery.  A car crash on the right pole can have you out
>>of commercial power for days, I know of one road it was out for a
>>full month.  Freight train caught a transmission line and about 20
>>100’ poles all snapped off like dominos.
>>*From:* Peter Kranz via AF
>>*Sent:* Wednesday, February 2, 2022 3:46 PM
>>*To:* Af@af.afmug.com
>>*Cc:* Peter Kranz
>>*Subject:* [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack
>> 
>>No more generator here.. 40hrs of backup battery capacity for this
>>500W site.
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Peter Kranz
>>www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>Mobile: 510-207-
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Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

[Dennis Burgess]

20kw genset with transfer switch is 5k.  don't know if this is a better 
solution. I would venture to state that it would not be.  Drop in a genset and 
a small battery just to keep things up for the 2 minutes while the genset 
starts.  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 5:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack

Those run $1.7K plus shipping each from Signature Solar...

On 2/2/22 2:56 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
> How much vs Generator?
> 
> I have always been a fan of both.
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> er...@northcentraltower.com <mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
> Office: 815-570-3101
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 4:53 PM Chuck McCown via AF  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
> 
> I would never want to be without a generator, irrespective of the
> size of my battery.  A car crash on the right pole can have you out
> of commercial power for days, I know of one road it was out for a
> full month.  Freight train caught a transmission line and about 20
> 100’ poles all snapped off like dominos.
> *From:* Peter Kranz via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 2, 2022 3:46 PM
> *To:* Af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Peter Kranz
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 20kw/hr in the bottom of my rack
> 
> No more generator here.. 40hrs of backup battery capacity for this
> 500W site.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkranz@unwiredltd.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

[Dennis Burgess]

Coincidence ?  or Magical Thinking?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 10:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

Thats exactly it for the issues that actually exist, thanks.

Now i need to know what its called when the issue is imagined after an event.

Similar to the game i play with my wife where i ask her if the kids feel warm 
and 99 percent of the time she "feels" a fever on their forehead

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, 9:39 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
In classical Greek sophistry, the term was “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”.  Which 
means “after, therefore because of”.
It’s one of the classic logical fallacies.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2022 1:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Motivated Perception/Confirmation Bias Term in Tech

You guys are a bunch of nerds, somebody has to know the term Im looking for to 
describe this phenomena.

When an inert even triggers customers to believe there is an issue that doesnt 
exist, or they notice an existing issue and assign it to the event.

Some examples:

You put up a notification that site A is undergoing maintenance, so a customer 
on Site B that is totally isolated sayas that ever since that maintenance, 
there has been a problem.

We did a mass change of our defalt WPA keys on managed routers. Probably 1 
percent of the customers claimed that "ever since the change" there has been 
some issue. Changing they WPA key wont impact performance.

I just completed a network wide rate plan naming convention change, every non 
custom account will have  anew name for their rate plan on their invoice. this 
had zero service impact, its just clerical, but as the bills go out, probably 1 
percent (probably that same 1 percent) will call in with an "ever since the 
change" complaint.

Im not looking to argue with the customer as to whether there is an issue or 
not, Im simply looking for the name of the phenomenon.

Id like to incorporate this into tier 1 support training so that this doesnt 
continually generate nuisance escalations. Some reference material on it would 
be the bees knees. Everything has a name, like Petrichor: the way it smells 
outside after rain or Phosphenes: the lights you see when you close your eyes 
and press your hands to them.
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Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

[Dennis Burgess]

In our case, we had a 10gig HE unpaid peering direct.  Our customers backup 
provider, providing around 500 meg had a paid transit to HE, they sent ALL 
traffic to the paid transit, though another AS.   They ALWAYS prefer their paid 
transits, even over direct peering’s.   I have only seen this on HEs network…


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

The default for any carrier is to send the traffic where you get paid vs those 
that you don't.


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From: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2022 8:06:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent
Ya, like HE always preferring paid peers over free.  That has came up a few 
times.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Justin Wilson (Lists)
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

As with anything there are good and bad.

Both do some heavy traffic manipulation. Cogent is not very open-internet 
friendly.  They do not peer with folks so their entire network is pay to peer.  
This can result in some congestion at major points. Some of the major 
de-peering events have been due to AT and others de-peering with cogent 
because of Cogent wanting money to peer.

Most of Hurricane’s network is either Telia Upstream or peering.  This can 
result in some issues as well.

There is no such thing as a perfect backbone/upstream/transit provider.  They 
all have issues.  What you want it diversity.  When talking to them ask about 
their routes in and out of your location.  How much capacity do they have? Are 
they taking the same routes as everyone else?

Many of the xISPs I see do a blend of Cogent, Hurricane and peering on an IX or 
two. If they want to add some extra diversity they can add in an AT, Verizon, 
or other ILEC.  With peering they typically don’t need to as a lot o the 
traffic gets shoved off to a good peering fabric.


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Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

[Dennis Burgess]

Ya, like HE always preferring paid peers over free.  That has came up a few 
times.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Justin Wilson (Lists)
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] HE vs Cogent

As with anything there are good and bad.

Both do some heavy traffic manipulation. Cogent is not very open-internet 
friendly.  They do not peer with folks so their entire network is pay to peer.  
This can result in some congestion at major points. Some of the major 
de-peering events have been due to AT and others de-peering with cogent 
because of Cogent wanting money to peer.

Most of Hurricane’s network is either Telia Upstream or peering.  This can 
result in some issues as well.

There is no such thing as a perfect backbone/upstream/transit provider.  They 
all have issues.  What you want it diversity.  When talking to them ask about 
their routes in and out of your location.  How much capacity do they have? Are 
they taking the same routes as everyone else?

Many of the xISPs I see do a blend of Cogent, Hurricane and peering on an IX or 
two. If they want to add some extra diversity they can add in an AT, Verizon, 
or other ILEC.  With peering they typically don’t need to as a lot o the 
traffic gets shoved off to a good peering fabric.


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Re: [AFMUG] 477 reporting

[Dennis Burgess]

You can also input it into TowerCoverage.com, your fiber maps, then we will 
spit out the census blocks that you cover.  99% of our process is already done…


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 1:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 reporting

Due every 6 months. Periods are Jan1 - June 30 with filing due Sept 1, and July 
1 - Dec 31 with filing due March 1. You have to have an FRN and a CORES login 
(new last filing). It's pretty straightforward once you log in.

Cameron

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
We have the polygons and I think shape files now.  There is a state map we keep 
up to date.
I just need to know the mechanics, how often, which form, who do you send it 
to, how do you send it.

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 reporting

I do these if you want help. For the deployment, I would just need a polygon 
(KML from GE is fine) around the homes you pass. I can create a spatial query 
against the census blocks as I already have a spatial DB set up for this. If 
you need subscriptions as well I can do those but I'd need a bit more info. If 
you have a DB with the block data, you can do it yourself.



On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:32 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I have not yet filed a 477 on my new fiber startup.  But we only have about 40 
customers.
What is a good way to start?



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Re: [AFMUG] Web and Email Hosting

[Dennis Burgess]

We do email hosting.  

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewcontent.asp?idpage=47





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What is everyone using for inexpensive web hosting? Have a handful of domains 
and email addresses. Was looking at Hostinger, Bluehost, A2 Hosting or 
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Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

[Dennis Burgess]

But again, what if I am not using it for marketing.  We were planning on 
putting a text notification system in our helpdesk, that would inform customers 
what updates occurred with their ticket.  That is not marketing?  How does this 
fit in?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 7:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

That's just an extension of your personal phone number. It's not (supposed to 
be) used for marketing campaigns.


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From: "Robert Andrews" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 3:34:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

I wonder if we will lose messages.android.com

On 11/15/21 12:41 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> How do you send an SMS from a computer to a phone?  Doesn't there have
> to be an intermediary system in there somewhere, Be it Email or an API?
> Maybe DOD number would be the more correct term, the number that is
> sourced on the SMS message when it enters the mobile carrier network.
>
> On 11/15/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> I really don’t get why DIDs are called out.  You can send SMS from any
>> computer to any phone.  Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this
>> context?
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
>> Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of
>> keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this.
>> Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like
>> they are finally going to start forcing it.
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM Nate Burke 
>> mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think so?  This is from the TOS you have to accept before any
>> payment is made at campaignregistry.com
>> <http://campaignregistry.com>. I think you can register 49 DID's
>> per Campaign.
>>
>> But I'm guessing that each business would have to be a separate
>> campaign.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2021 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> So just DIDs and not just regular lines?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday,
>>> November 15, 2021 1:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP
>>> SMS campaign fees
>>> I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that
>>> send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be
>>> registered with 'Campaignregistry.com'  Looks like this requires
>>> a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already
>>> gone through this?  Talking to VI, it seems they're not even
>>> sure, but it's a VI requirement by Dec 15.
>>>
>>> The whole process seems confusing.  Luckily I only have 1
>>> customer that Uses the SMS services, and I have it setup on our
>>> office number so customers can text in requests, and pictures
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

[Dennis Burgess]

The next question is what if you don’t need 10 messages per second, something 
like maybe 100 messages per day?

Does this still apply?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees

Here is a decent explanation of the program.

https://telnyx.com/resources/what-is-10dlc


On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:35 PM Robert Andrews 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
I wonder if we will lose messages.android.com<http://messages.android.com>

On 11/15/21 12:41 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> How do you send an SMS from a computer to a phone?  Doesn't there have
> to be an intermediary system in there somewhere, Be it Email or an API?
> Maybe DOD number would be the more correct term, the number that is
> sourced on the SMS message when it enters the mobile carrier network.
>
> On 11/15/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> I really don’t get why DIDs are called out.  You can send SMS from any
>> computer to any phone.  Does DID not mean “Direct Inward Dial” in this
>> context?
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 15, 2021 1:30 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VoIP SMS campaign fees
>> Yes this is a new requirement by the carriers. It is their way of
>> keeping spam down. Everyone who uses sms is going to have to do this.
>> Full implementation has been pushed out many times, but it looks like
>> they are finally going to start forcing it.
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 2:24 PM Nate Burke 
>> mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think so?  This is from the TOS you have to accept before any
>> payment is made at 
>> campaignregistry.com<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fcampaignregistry.com=67EF61FD-D0DB-2A05-A92A-48192E1F1819=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-9d16cac04700f4e6a0cfea5f2e9b185652864803>
>> 
>> <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fcampaignregistry.com=67EF61FD-D0DB-2A05-A92A-48192E1F1819=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-9d16cac04700f4e6a0cfea5f2e9b185652864803>.
>>  I think you can register 49 DID's
>> per Campaign.
>>
>> But I'm guessing that each business would have to be a separate
>> campaign.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/2021 2:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> So just DIDs and not just regular lines?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Monday,
>>> November 15, 2021 1:08 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP
>>> SMS campaign fees
>>> I saw a notice from Voip Innovations that any business DID's that
>>> send SMS messages to a consumer in any way now have to be
>>> registered with 'Campaignregistry.com'  Looks like this requires
>>> a $200 signup, and then potentially $10/month/DID. Anyone already
>>> gone through this?  Talking to VI, it seems they're not even
>>> sure, but it's a VI requirement by Dec 15.
>>>
>>> The whole process seems confusing.  Luckily I only have 1
>>> customer that Uses the SMS services, and I have it setup on our
>>> office number so customers can text in requests, and pictures
>>> (which we have never publicized, but happens frequently)
>>>
>>> VI Makes it seem like non-compliance will be expensive.
>>> $10,000/violation keeps being referenced.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun

[Dennis Burgess]

Only one worse is Biden!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 11:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun

Does it matter? They are both morons

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 10:53 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Trump or the mypillow guy?

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 11:19 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Am I the onlyone who thinks he looks and acts like a doofus?

bp


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From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: fun


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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[Dennis Burgess]

Or that other person can ware the condom since they are so afraid of it, or 
maybe they should not be out in public?


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 6:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable.  COVID is like someone with AIDS spraying you 
down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing.  People have been 
prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS.  Why not COVID?  If you don’t want 
the vax, fine but you need a full body condom if you come within 100’ of 
another person.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

There are valid reasons for deciding to take this vaccine, the shingles 
vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a myriad of other medications.   Each decision 
should be based on risk/reward of that drug and the medical condition being 
treated.   To think that you know everyone’s medical situation better than they 
do doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive.   To call them selfish 
for making a decision they believe is in their best medical interest seems 
overly judgmental. Yes, there are people are deciding not to take it simply 
because they think they shouldn’t be forced to take a medical treatment against 
their will.   You may feel that we should force them to take the treatment for 
the better good.   I doubt you would feel the same about mandatory castration 
of young men to curb overcrowding of the earth.   Obviously there is a line 
somewhere about forced treatment for the greater good.  I am not attempting to 
determine where that line is, only suggesting that folks have valid medical 
reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine and they shouldn’t be publicly 
shamed for making that decision.   It doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am 
learning I see things differently than some other folks.   So be it.

I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, but we still have to act 
like the vaccine doesn’t work in order to save the human race.   Seems like a 
disconnect there.

If we were really so worried about infecting others or causing harm to others, 
we would avoid all other activities that create risk for others.  We’d never 
drive a car, much less have a beer and get in a car.   I doubt that very many 
of us on this list can say that.  We would never allow the sale of fatty foods. 
  We would force each and everyone to get to a body mass within our accepted 
range.   Keep in mind life is risky.   We don’t need to do stupid things, but 
being alive carries with it the risk of dying.We are all much more likely 
to die of heart disease, stroke related illness, or cancer than we are of 
Covid.   Those are just the facts.  Many folks make small adjustments to reduce 
the risk of those  likely causes of mortality, but have long ago passed on 
decisions to make big changes to eliminate the possibility of those causes of 
death.

I have long ago decided not to live in constant fear of these things.   While I 
chose to be vaccinated, I respect the right of folks to make the best choice 
for their situation.   I also respect the right of someone who is not in the 
best physical condition to eat a steak.   I realize that a drunk driver might 
kill me some day, but I respect the right of individuals to go to a bar and 
expect that most (but not all) are responsible enough not to drink and drive 
when they have had too much.

Keep in mind that this virus would have never come to our country if we never 
allowed anyone in or out of it.   But we understand that certain personal 
freedoms are worth the possibility of catching a disease that might kill us.   
I have a tough time with the mass hypochondria surrounding this situation.

Sorry, I am not meaning to make anyone mad, just trying to keep perspective.
 I just don’t understand why folks get so bent out of shape if they are already 
vaccinated.   I guess they don’t believe the vaccine will work because if it 
does, there is nothing to worry about.

I wager that given Covid’s relation to influenza like viruses, that it is with 
us permanently.   We will have yearly updates to the vaccination, but we’ll 
never be rid of it.   Not because people aren’t getting vaccinated, but because 
it will always mutate ahead of the vaccine, just like the flu virus.   Please 
don’t take this as an argument to not work on vaccines, we absolutely should as 
it will save lives.   But as Carl pointed out below, vaccines aren’t 100% 
effective……. 

I will lay a friendly wager down.  Re

Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[Dennis Burgess]

Why does someone who has made an informed choice not to get vaxxed by a NON-FDA 
approved drug have not sit out in timeout?  This is a free society, if you are 
so scared, you stay home. I will take my chances.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 3:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political


There is no having a sane discussion on this topic.  This is more like a 
whining child having an open temper-tantrum in public.  Un-vaxxed persons are a 
health hazard and attempting to explain this to a child is a bit difficult.  
Those who don't have a vaccine should not be allowed in public.  Every time a 
non-vaxxed person gets sick with Covid there is the potential for a new variant 
even worse than the Delta variant.  Un-vaxxed persons should be quarrantined as 
they are a health-hazard to everyone around them and to the public at large.
On 7/23/21 1:11 PM, David Coudron wrote:
I know, we can all make our own decisions.   However, I don’t believe I have 
stated anything that varies from the facts.   I can send you the Moderna sheet 
I received with my vaccine if you want to see that.

Your points about FDA approval are probably accurate, however, why is not OK to 
say that I want to wait for the approval?   That doesn’t seem so unreasonable.  
We don’t let folks on the plane based on the likelihood that those on the 
no-fly list probably won’t show up to get on the plane anyway.   We still check 
each and every person to make sure.  Just like we do the FDA approval process 
to make sure.   Otherwise, we could just tell drug companies “if you are pretty 
sure you’d pass anyway, we won’t bother putting you through the approval 
process”   We don’t do that for good reason.

I agree with you on the memes both ways.   Neither approach are helping the 
situation.   It should be a discussion based upon the scientific merits of the 
situation.   Unfortunately both side love to poke at the intelligence of those 
that don’t agree with their decision.

There is no way to know this for sure, but I wonder how many folks publicly 
shaming others for not taking the vaccine know that it is not FDA approved?

Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, nor am I suggesting it should 
have.   But I don’t think that those of us that decided to go ahead with the 
vaccination get to make medical decisions for those who aren’t comfortable with 
an experimental vaccine.


From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political


I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list.
On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who 
have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart.


  1.  Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA 
approved medicine/vaccine.   I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly 
stated several facts.  Among them are:

 *   This is not FDA approved.
It has an emergency use authorization.  FDA approval takes a long time, but 
around 90% of the submissions end up approved because they are pretty well 
tested by the manufacturer before they apply.  Anybody applying for FDA 
approval already has a pretty good idea whether it's going to go through or 
not.  Presumably people on a no-fly list don't routinely show up at the airport 
expecting to board a plane.  Presumably people don't try to get a CDL if they 
know they'll fail the drug test.  Same idea.



 *
 *   This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus.   While we 
likely all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will 
help prevent it, it is far from a proven fact.
99% of people dying of Covid right now are un-vaccinated.  We can split hairs 
and say maybe it didn't prevent them from becoming infected, but it clearly 
prevents them from dying.



 *

  1.  The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t 
safe since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”.
I've never heard such an argument.



  1.Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment.   Every medicine 
you take has some level of side effect.   The vast majority of medicines have 
such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe.   The 
FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious 
side effects and drug interaction issues.   If you are 30 years old and folks 
are saying you have to take this e

Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[Dennis Burgess]

St. Louis just went into another mask mandate even if you HAVE been vaccinated! 
 Lol.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 11:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ average will 
increase, right?  Always good when your team wins.
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Re: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation

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We have plenty in stock here    Just in case. .


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation

Thanks guys, I may give the 1072 a shot.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 1:29 PM 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The trick with 1072 is you need to disable connection tracking.  Ours have been 
100% stable ever since doing that.  That means no NAT and only basic firewall 
rules (src/dst/ip/port).  Just do your NAT and firewall stuff on other boxes.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2021 1:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:Af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation

I'm looking to update my gateway router (currently a CCR1036) to something that 
can support 2 10GE WAN connections running BGP.  I'd probably want at least 3 
or 4 SFP+ ports.  The CCR1072 comes to mind, but I've read horror stories 
relating to this model, so I'm looking at other options.  Those of you that use 
Juniper or Cisco, what would you recommend?  I'd probably be buying gray-market 
on these brands due to the price.

Thanks.

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Re: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation

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Honestly the horror stories were with older hardware units.  The new units 
don’t have these issues.  I have one unit doing 6+ gig in with NAT etc, and 
another router doing 15 gig in/out without NAT.  They work its just a matter of 
how you set them up..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Gateway Router Recommendation

I'm looking to update my gateway router (currently a CCR1036) to something that 
can support 2 10GE WAN connections running BGP.  I'd probably want at least 3 
or 4 SFP+ ports.  The CCR1072 comes to mind, but I've read horror stories 
relating to this model, so I'm looking at other options.  Those of you that use 
Juniper or Cisco, what would you recommend?  I'd probably be buying gray-market 
on these brands due to the price.

Thanks.

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[AFMUG] Monitoring for the WIN

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Just wanted to type up a small experience that I had with our network 
monitoring system.  We have a number of servers that do processing jobs.  These 
are 24 to 40 core Xeon servers that run Windows 10.  We did windows 1 bare 
metal as we wanted the OS to control the power consumption on them as they 
spent quite a bit of time waiting for jobs and not doing anything.

Well, starting last Tuesday, around 11am CST, my Zabbix installation started 
telling me one of our UPSs was in a overload state.  We have overload state set 
to 90%.  This is very odd for us as most of the time we run them under 50% as 
we have a few power switches that allows us to switch between UPSes for 
non-dual power supplied devices.   So I started to review my graphs:

[cid:image001.png@01D74E19.62E82950]

WTF is up wit this, the GREEN line is the current output percentage based on 
the UPS load.  Note I stated it started telling me around 11am on Tuesday that 
we were in a overload state, and I am like no clue what could be causing this.. 
Did someone plug in something?  Like a vacuum or heater and leave it on?  Why 
would anyone be in there?

So I reviewed the security cameras, no one has been in our DC for over 30 days. 
So not that.  Well I looked at our processing servers, and sure enough, one of 
the .EXEs had 45 copies running, each consuming 1.2% of CPU.  Then I looked at 
several other servers, guess what, same thing.  Looked at our DB, the jobs 
completed, but the .exe did not close out.  WTF  I looked at our dev team 
logs and sure enough they updated our processing server .exe right at 11:10am 
on Monday, looking at my logs, guess what started to go up then..

So I killed the .exe that was not closing out, and informed the devs that they 
need to clean up what they are doing.. Screenshot right after I killed the .exe 
on around 10 servers.

[cid:image002.png@01D74E19.62E82950]

So... This spike represents around 2000 watts of power usage that just DROPPED 
... That's 18 amps that we stopped pulling.  Quite a bit!!!  This is what 
Windows 10 power saving and CPU bursting etc., saves us!  Just on one UPS!   
Furthermore, us monitoring and setting triggers allowed us to identify an issue 
that we would normally have never known about.  We adjusted our CPU monitors on 
our processing servers as most of them were around 60-80% used, and adjusted 
them to trigger if the CPU is above 50% for over 10 min, vs 90% for over 5 
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Re: [AFMUG] public access wifi

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I would roll a CCR with 60GHz backhauls and WAPs every 300 foot or so. 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 6:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] public access wifi


Is that a fat thumb issue?  We want to cover the whole fairgrounds area which 
is about 1/2 mile area and several thousand people.
On 5/15/21 1:18 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Cambium makes it really easy with the e seriescnpikofft stuff, you can almost 
always find a buy one get one free or some other promo

On Sat, May 15, 2021, 12:58 PM Jan-GAMs 
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:
We're thinking of operating a general public access for a fair this
summer.  We'll probably want to use ubiquiti equipment.  Any suggestions
as to how to pull this off?


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik GPEN?

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They work as advertised.  They are basically a unmanaged switch that has two 
gigabit ports, one POE in and one POE OUT.

The idea is you can hook up to 1.5km of cable between them (assuming you have 
power from both sides).  We have a cat5 that runs up to a tower, and that cat 5 
needed to be extended three times to make it up, plug these in, plug a 56v POE 
injector at the bottom, boom works and 1gigabit.

They also have their netpower 15R, that takes 15 POE ins and is a switch.  Only 
need one to run it, but kinda neat.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Aeron Wireless
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik GPEN?

That's the 100 meter distance standard. Not 100 mbps
sent from my android phone

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 1:01 PM Aeron Wireless 
mailto:b...@aeronwireless.com>> wrote:
It's just a method of extending ethernet past the 100m standard with POE. It's 
not optical.
sent from my android phone

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 12:59 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How does it differ from EPON?

EPON sucked by the way.

On 4/16/2021 12:48 PM, Dev wrote:
> I see their new GPEN MDU “replacement” for GPON, anyone using these devices? 
> Really cheap, interesting concept, and they’re not UBNT. Also, they’re not 
> 10K for an OLT.

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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

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Yep, Link Technologies, Inc, will be there 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be there.  Be nice to 
see people in person finally.

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On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White 
mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:
Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all things considering... 
but probably 2017-2018 type attendance levels than what WISPA was projecting 
for WISPAmerica 2020 before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show.  Deeper dives.  An "Animal 
Farm" track (vendors doing their deep dives like the old and much cherished 
Animal Farm shows).  Turn-out is always smaller because there are less 
business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a very different feel 
than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows (and I'm not just saying that).
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March 30, 2021 at 14:00
Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a crowd or 
a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any more 
informative and better organized or??



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Re: [AFMUG] OT well worth watching

[Dennis Burgess]

Ya that guy has too much time on his hands 


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 11:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT well worth watching

https://grahamcluley.com/fighting-back-against-phone-scammers-with-glitter-bombs/
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[Dennis Burgess]

We have customers with dual 10gig bonded links running 12-15gig inbound with 
1072s and full tables without issues.  Note, no connecting tracking.  Its more 
about knowing their limitations and working around those.  We would simply put 
NAT at each  tower vs at the network edge, creates better design and allows for 
each tower to be natted to its local IP.  Just my two cents.  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 4:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

One thing I'll miss about Mikrotik is every router can use every feature.


On 3/1/2021 3:52 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> I guess it depends on what kind of NAT you want to do.
>
> Here's an overview of CGNAT implementation options:
> https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos-space-apps/edge-serv
> ices-director1.0/topics/topic-map/nat-junos-cgn-implementations.html
>
> And which chassies take which cards:
> https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/topic-map/ser
> vices-pics-overview.html#id-multiservices-mic-and-multiservices-mpc-ms
> -mic-and-ms-mpc-overview
>
> You *can* get started with a MS-MIC-16G , but it doesn't have the throughput 
> of later cards nor all the bells and whistles.
>
> - Jared
>
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 at 3:31 PM
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations
>>
>> Maybe I was misinformed.
>>
>> The VAR told me JunOS would only do 1:1 NAT unless you had an IP 
>> Services card, and that I had to have an MX240, 480, or 960 to use 
>> that card.
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2021 3:27 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
>>> If your needs are more modest, I guess you could get away with an 
>>> MS-MIC-16G card in a low end MX router. The MIC can be had for less than 
>>> four grand, as can an older MX router. That should be good for CGNAT needs 
>>> under 9 Gbps.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Jared
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 at 1:41 PM
>>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations I should have 
>>> said it's 5 digits on top of having a Juniper router which can accept the 
>>> IP services card (eg MX240, MX480, or MX960).  You'll be into 6 digits 
>>> before you have the whole BOM.  Maybe I should have said "Lamborghini 
>>> money".  Depends whether you already have the Juniper router or if you had 
>>> to start from square one.
>>> I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Juniper, I'm just saying you 
>>> have to bring your checkbook if you want to do CG-NAT with them.
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2021 1:06 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> It's 5 digit numbers, however you choose to label it.
>>> The good news is one box will scale to staggering amounts of traffic.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2021 1:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Corvette money. Is that anything like cubic dollars?
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2021 9:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> CGNAT on Juniper requires an IP services card.  With licensing it's like 
>>> Corvette money.
>>> but that's kinda where we're at isn't it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2021 12:36 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>> I gave up the first time they asked me to record data for them during an 
>>> instance and wanted us to let it hang and collect data.
>>>
>>> I was like no, not going to do that.
>>>
>>> And then started removing 1072 connection tracking altogether from my 
>>> network.
>>>
>>> For the time being I’m using 1036 for CGNAT as a transition, then will head 
>>> to CHR CGNAT, then Juniper.
>>>
>>> I agree that Mikrotik just isn’t focused on the 1072 anymore and this 
>>> particular issue seems beyond them to repair.
>>>
>>> Which makes the 1072 a no starter for anything conn track for us ever again.
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor 16U Rack

[Dennis Burgess]

We have these.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=3390=

close 13U..  outdoor all aluminum, powder coated.  We have fans for them as 
well..  We have lots of customers putting two of these in, one for batteries 
and one on top for gear.  




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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 11:39 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor 16U Rack

Anyone found an outdoor wall mount rack?  16U range?

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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Dennis Burgess]

OSPF issues are caused by the users 99% of the time.  Incorrect configurations, 
or improper configurations.  Just cause it works, does not mean it’s a good or 
correct config.  It is only good till it breaks due to your config.   Just 
stating.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

*nods* I don't think I've ever had an OSPF reliability issue.

I brought up a few examples of 1072 reliability issues from this thread in 
another group of Mikrotik-smart people and the consensus was that none of them 
had seen a 1072 reliability issue that wasn't the cause of someone using it 
incorrectly.



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 2:20:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming
While I haven't seen that myself, it sure sounds like you're comparing the 
hardware reliability of a $50 hex versus a $10,000 Juniper or Cisco.  Remember 
this started with a need for 1-2 gig of traffic and fear of using Mikrotik for 
that job.

Only time I've personally had issues with OSPF is on older versions or bad RF 
links.

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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:14 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
Software updates for one.  We have hundreds of hex units out there. We push out 
security upgrades regularly. Often times one doesnt come up after the upgrade 
and will need to be swapped as it’s dead.

OSPF on routeros is also where we’ve had plenty of issues.  We’ve just decided 
to pull OSPF all together on the leaf ones that have it configured so networks 
are more stable.



On Jan 19, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Where have you seen it be not stable?


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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Dennis Burgess]

A student of mine once stated, “The best thing about MikroTik is that it does 
everything, the worst thing about Mikrotik is that it does everything.”


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

I couldn't tell you why it's only 450 days. Maybe I upgraded the OS at that 
time. Maybe someone was screwing around in the cabinet and unplugged it. It is 
in Equinix CH1, maybe Equinix lost power.  ;-)


It probably should have a lesser uptime as I should be more consistent with OS 
upgrades, but it's firewalled from the world, so the risk is mitigated. My 
point was to illustrate that in general, Mikrotik is reliable. There may be 
edge cases that aren't. There are configurations that aren't.


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From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:45:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router programming

Wimpy.

[cid:image006.png@01D6EE3A.F7F10510]

Of course it locked up today :-)

Mark

On Jan 18, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

"Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing reboots 
or services reset I would consider not stable."

So then Mikrotik should be fine.



450 day router uptime, 446 day BGP session uptime to the second router at that 
location, 306 day BGP session uptime to Cogent.


Seems to work pretty good here.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT : Power company

[Dennis Burgess]

They don't here in MO.  If you sent me 150 volts insead of 120 and blew stuff, 
I would file a claim..  



Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP 

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
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How did we do today?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 5:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT : Power company

How is it that power companies have immunity from damage?

It’s like a Shaggy song. 
Send a surge that blows appliances? Wasn’t me. 
Send 60 volts for 5 minutes that kills stuff? Wasn’t me. 
Food all goes bad because we killed your freezer? Wasn’t me. 

I’m not talking about a full on outage. That happens. But how do power 
companies get away with immunity from provided improper service that blows 
stuff?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT political - Portland

[Dennis Burgess]

Use water cannons with die in them, then go around and arrest anyone with that 
color die on them  heheehe .  I think china did this. .


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 2:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT political - Portland

Portland, Seattle, etc and all the other leftist ilk are prime examples of the 
circle, hard time breed strong men, strong men breed good times, etc. The 
Pacific northwest was a rugged, harsh area to "tame". It took men of stature 
and stamina to build the oasis in the wilderness that the weak populated under 
the protection of the strong. Natural selection was defeated, and sadly that is 
the fault of the strong. Hopefully nature will correct itself and eventually 
the weak bloodlines will be culled from the herd. It's never been sustainable 
to maintain the presence of the weak. By weak I dont mean meek, they inherit 
the earth and are treasures, I mean weak, in spirit, strength and mind. They 
are the epitome of biting the hand that feeds you. Cancers like this are 
allowed to fester and this is the result, they believe they own the hand and 
are entitled to bite it.
This is why we have cataclysmic comets. It's a sad natural truth though that 
the nature of the strong is to always uplift the weak. Its natures dirty trick. 
The weak dont want to be uplifted, they believe the outstretched hand is there 
to hold them, not to move them. Eventually the hand gets tired.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 12:32 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Part of as-trophys-ics?

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 11:57 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT political - Portland

What are trophy's?  I wonder how the apostrophe got in there.
trophys  oh, I see.  Autocorrect did it.  I should typed trophies as the
plural.
I guess trophys is not a word.


-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 10:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com<mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT political - Portland

Today:
"If you do not leave you are subject to arrest, citation, and/or the use of
force, including but not limited to impact weapons and tear gas," Portland
Police said.

September 10:
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, who also serves as police commissioner, has
released a video saying he has ordered police officers to stop using tear
gas for crowd control.

What changed?
Did Ted Wheeler finally discover balls?

I am from Oregon originally, I have a fondness for the Portland metro area.
The TV show Portlandia really did nail it.
But coddling spoiled anarchists - what society allows that?

Public spankings.
Were these kids not breast fed?
Perhaps too many participation trophy's?

In Portland you can toss fireworks and Molotov coctails at police and they
issue a stern warning.
Meanwhile in other parts of the country, you have a cell phone in your
hand - you get shot by the cops.

Maybe we need police exchange programs.
Send the cops with itchy trigger fingers to do duty in Portland and Seattle.


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Dennis Burgess]

In our instance we did not have connection tracking on, and it was rebooting.  
Replacement solved the issue after a backup and restore.


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 2:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

Not fixed yet as far as I know.

When I sent in info to Mikrotik on my crash 1072 they admitted it was something 
to do with connection tracking.

So what I’ve done and am doing, is moving all CGNAT/Connection tracking off of 
the 1072’s in my network and moving that to a 1036 or CHR.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

You mean the 1072 issue, or the 1100AHx4 issue?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

I think that was found and solved recently.


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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 10:09:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
I think that was their answer on some 1100AHx4 units that would spontaneously 
and silently reboot.  Basically hope it was a bad batch, and the replacement 
wasn’t from the same batch.  Unfortunately in our case, we will often buy 
spares at the same time.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

Haha - "Get a new one" .. only with MT.



On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:22 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Get a new one.  That’s what we did, replaced it and the issue went away.  Its 
like the 1072 has some kind of bug, or maybe a leaky cap, that eventually 
causes them to do this.  No matter of fiddling fixes it, we swapped out the 
unit and have not have the same issue since.  We have 1072s running 15gig 
inbound without issues.  So, while  I do attest that this is a MT (rather 
routeros) issue, we don’t have any data to know where it is unless the 
manufacture can tell us.  So far they are tight lipped.


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:56 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

Their support is behaving the same way exactly.  They told me to take the 
watchdog off and allow the internet to be frozen (do

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Dennis Burgess]

Hate to say it, but worked.  Keep in mind that these units that we have had 
this issue had been running for 3+ years, so, it was out of warranty anyways.


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

Haha - "Get a new one" .. only with MT.



On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 8:22 AM Dennis Burgess 
mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> wrote:
Get a new one.  That’s what we did, replaced it and the issue went away.  Its 
like the 1072 has some kind of bug, or maybe a leaky cap, that eventually 
causes them to do this.  No matter of fiddling fixes it, we swapped out the 
unit and have not have the same issue since.  We have 1072s running 15gig 
inbound without issues.  So, while  I do attest that this is a MT (rather 
routeros) issue, we don’t have any data to know where it is unless the 
manufacture can tell us.  So far they are tight lipped.


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:56 AM
To: af mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

Their support is behaving the same way exactly.  They told me to take the 
watchdog off and allow the internet to be frozen (downtime for all my 
customers) whenever it happens at any random point in the day/night while I 
rush to log into it with a serial cable.  The absurdity of it.  Luckily I told 
him from day one that I have a CONSOLE SERVER and that I log all the serial 
output of all my switches and routers.  But even though I told them that a 
couple times they still requested I plug in a serial cable and wait for it to 
freeze.  So I'm like .. hellooo there is a serial cable plugged in at all 
times!  I told him there is no output.  It just reboots.  I even humored him 
and turned the watchdog off and we had a reboot on the weekend while the cable 
was plugged in and the console was logged in.  I even had logging set to echo 
for a lot of things and nothing.. just a hard freeze.

There is no BGP on this one and the processor is not high leading up to the 
crash at all.  Updated 5 times already and its just a placebo.   They need to 
get their shit together.

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From: "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being rock-solid 
to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100% CPU usage, 
which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case, tools->profile would show 
the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after temporarily disabling all firewall 
filter and NAT rules and connection tracking. Not fun.

MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly recommending 
to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or to upgrade 
firmware

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

[Dennis Burgess]

Get a new one.  That’s what we did, replaced it and the issue went away.  Its 
like the 1072 has some kind of bug, or maybe a leaky cap, that eventually 
causes them to do this.  No matter of fiddling fixes it, we swapped out the 
unit and have not have the same issue since.  We have 1072s running 15gig 
inbound without issues.  So, while  I do attest that this is a MT (rather 
routeros) issue, we don’t have any data to know where it is unless the 
manufacture can tell us.  So far they are tight lipped.


[LTI-Full_175px]
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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:56 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

Their support is behaving the same way exactly.  They told me to take the 
watchdog off and allow the internet to be frozen (downtime for all my 
customers) whenever it happens at any random point in the day/night while I 
rush to log into it with a serial cable.  The absurdity of it.  Luckily I told 
him from day one that I have a CONSOLE SERVER and that I log all the serial 
output of all my switches and routers.  But even though I told them that a 
couple times they still requested I plug in a serial cable and wait for it to 
freeze.  So I'm like .. hellooo there is a serial cable plugged in at all 
times!  I told him there is no output.  It just reboots.  I even humored him 
and turned the watchdog off and we had a reboot on the weekend while the cable 
was plugged in and the console was logged in.  I even had logging set to echo 
for a lot of things and nothing.. just a hard freeze.

There is no BGP on this one and the processor is not high leading up to the 
crash at all.  Updated 5 times already and its just a placebo.   They need to 
get their shit together.

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From: "Colin Stanners" mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations

This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being rock-solid 
to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100% CPU usage, 
which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case, tools->profile would show 
the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after temporarily disabling all firewall 
filter and NAT rules and connection tracking. Not fun.

MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly recommending 
to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or to upgrade 
firmware (without specifying the suspected cause of the problem or nature of 
the fix).

Tried 1 update, that didn't seem to help, have now tried another...

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:38 PM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years.  Until this year and the 1072's. 
 Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's.  Some more than 
others.  Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem exactly.  Its a 
connection tracking issue.. however I need connection tracking on one 
particular router.  I've adjusted everything I could.  Firmware and board 
firmware all up to date etc.  Happens randomly with low levels of traffic,  
high levels of traffic,  sometimes a couple times a day,  sometimes weeks.  No 
DDOS evidence at all from upstream routers.  Configs checked and rechecked by 
third party experts.  I graph everything about the Mikrotik and there are no 
clues or anything abnormal happening 

Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

[Dennis Burgess]

Another video, the one from usf.gov don’t work for me ☹ guess they don’t like 
me .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3AASKr_iHc




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 12:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

That all seems like a total waste. We are great at building lots of things. Not 
so great at maintaining them.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 11:51 AM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
IIRC they were inspecting the cables on a daily basis

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arecibo Collapse Video

Kind of lucky they had a drone going when it happened. or maybe they were 
anticipating when it was going to happen?



bp


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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Dennis Burgess]

We already have it in TowerCoverage.  It’s a function of the EUS.   It tells 
you exactly what bearing to aim and tlit.

Example: Alignment from Client:  Align via 14.00° with 3.00° tilt assuming 6m 
client antenna height



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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:17 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Dennis,
 Simple Formula for bearing.. I would not think tilt is necessary but plausible.
We used that app for a while and liked it.
I have the formula I used to help cambium automate the Azimuth for the cbrs 
template spreadsheet.
 if u would like to have a copy i can send it.
There are also samples on the net also..
Here is a link to a new site that explains it well. 
https://www.igismap.com/formula-to-find-bearing-or-heading-angle-between-two-points-latitude-longitude/



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On 12/3/20 8:56 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
We had that in our towercoverage.com android app, however we have let that app 
go as the mobile version does 99% of it, and yes it was nice, but our feedback 
was give me the bearing and tilt and we can find it.


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I think Gino was developing an augmented reality phone app so you could see 
where the towers were through your phones camera.




On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get customers all 
the time who can’t answer questions like are you north or south of town, or is 
your house on east or west side of the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the tower, choose 
a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a tree, etc.  People try to do 
everything with an app these days.  Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails 
using their phone and a hammer app.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com<http://towercoverage.com/> is very good.  We also have our 
KMZ's on Google Earth.  But you know, there isn't much better than your guys 
just knowing where the towers are and where the customer is in relation to them.

Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just checked it.  Yep, you put dots on the map page and select a dot.  So you 
can import all the Aps into the map.  You have to actually select the dot on 
the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to that dot shows up on 
the compass wheel and it tells you if you need to look left or right.  It 
doesn’t put the dot visibly in the field of view but it certainly helps you to 
put the cross hairs right on the correct heading.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe show up on the VR 
view.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Dennis Burgess]

We had that in our towercoverage.com android app, however we have let that app 
go as the mobile version does 99% of it, and yes it was nice, but our feedback 
was give me the bearing and tilt and we can find it.


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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I think Gino was developing an augmented reality phone app so you could see 
where the towers were through your phones camera.



On Dec 2, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get customers all 
the time who can’t answer questions like are you north or south of town, or is 
your house on east or west side of the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the tower, choose 
a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a tree, etc.  People try to do 
everything with an app these days.  Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails 
using their phone and a hammer app.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com<http://towercoverage.com/> is very good.  We also have our 
KMZ's on Google Earth.  But you know, there isn't much better than your guys 
just knowing where the towers are and where the customer is in relation to them.

Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just checked it.  Yep, you put dots on the map page and select a dot.  So you 
can import all the Aps into the map.  You have to actually select the dot on 
the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to that dot shows up on 
the compass wheel and it tells you if you need to look left or right.  It 
doesn’t put the dot visibly in the field of view but it certainly helps you to 
put the cross hairs right on the correct heading.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe show up on the VR 
view.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Dennis Burgess]

Of course it tells you the degrees and angle to the tower?  Well we report it!

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Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
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Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

They should be static routes, so you should not have to distribute connected.


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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 6:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

you want a dhcp client interface to by dynamically added to the routes?
youre gonna get yelled at for distributing connected routes
i think youd have to have an all interface defines and a 
0.0.0.0/0<http://0.0.0.0/0> network if you dont know the subnet that will be 
assigned if this is part of your osfp  routing network
otherwise distribute connected routes should propagate

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:02 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
Anyone here successfully setup dhcp-relay with ospf so that when the relay adds 
an address to the pool that address goes out through ospf?
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik hAP ac status

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have quite a few in stock as well.

https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1572=0




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From: AF  On Behalf Of Omni Flux via AF
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2020 7:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Omni Flux 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik hAP ac status

Streakwave still has a few in stock, I see it when I search for hAP, but if you 
search for RB962 it should be the only result.

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On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Is the hAP ac being discontinued or something?  Not the Lite or AC2 or AC3 or 
any other variants.  I realize it is overpriced, so it could be going away.  
Most home routers don’t need an SFP cage and even that doesn’t explain why it 
costs over $100.  But nevertheless we buy them.

The reason I ask is I can’t even find it on Streakwave’s web site, but Baltic 
claims to have almost 1500 of them on the shelf, which sounds like a ton unless 
they bought up the remaining stock at a discount or something.  Or maybe 
somebody screwed up and ordered 1500 instead of 150 and they will be working 
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Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I would suggest maybe two 2 gig commits with 10gig ports uncapped.  This will 
allow either provider to go down and with good network design you can use 
multiple routers to prevent a outage of your equipment.  Should be cheaper than 
4 1gig internet connections and better than one 10gig .   



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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP 

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Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers

I like the curling analogy.  No perfect load balancing across the Internet.

You can advertise the supernet out of all carriers and also advertise 
individual /24's out of the preferred carrier.  BGP will use the longer subnet 
mask first and fallback to the supernet.  If you have a bunch of non-contiguous 
allocations then obviously that's not an option, but if you have something 
bigger than a /24 then you can do it.

I also would note that if Connection "A" goes down, connection "B", "C", or "D" 
might need to carry all the load and you may not know which way it will come 
in.  You can test and see what happens in a planned outage, and tweak your 
settings just so, but I don't think you can guarantee that topology upstream 
from you didn't change at some point between your testing and the eventual 
unplanned outage.  If you need 4Gb, then you might just need two 4Gb pipes to 
have meaningful redundancy.  Depends what you're willing to live with.  There's 
a saying that "slow is better than down", but IMO the phone blows up either 
which way so best to avoid either "slow" or "down" conditions.

I'll also note that every time I've ordered a 1gig circuit they gave me GigE 
optics.  If you order anything bigger, even if it's 1.1Gig then it'll be a 
10Gig interface by necessity.  An upgrade then is just a phone call, whereas 
the upgrade from 1Gig is a scheduled outage to swap interface cards.


On 11/12/2020 7:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Right. Which is not ideal.
>
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> There are smarter people than me here on the topic of BGP, but I 
>> believe load balancing via prepends is an inexact science.  It's like 
>> the guy with the broom in curling, you can influence but not dictate the 
>> outcome.
>>
>> You'd probably have better control advertising each subnet via just 
>> one of the upstream providers, but then you lose the advantage of redundant 
>> feeds.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:45 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Multiple carriers
>>
>> I have a situation where I can buy several 1 gigabit pipes from 
>> several top tier carriers relatively inexpensively.
>> Or I can buy one fat pipe from one carrier.
>>
>> Say I need 4 gigabits of bandwidth and have four 1 gigabit pipes from 
>> 4 carriers running BGP, is there a best way to load balance these?  
>> Just AS pre-pend subsets on each carrier so certain subnets prefer one over 
>> another?
>> Or is there a better way?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

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Not that bad.  We have a 800meter link and don’t have issues with walking on 
the roof etc.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 7:40 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

I haven’t spent much time looking at the 60 and 80 GHz products, but do I 
remember correctly that some have an antenna array or beam steering so they 
automatically align themselves and stay aligned, while others require manual 
alignment?  I’ve been told the alignment at these frequencies can be very 
touchy, to the point where tower or building movement may be a problem.  Like 
don’t climb the tower or walk on the rooftop, or the backhaul will drop out.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 7:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

Yep.  MT wireless wire dish.

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2656=0



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 11:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

Just across a street? I would just go with a mikrotik 60ghz (wireless wire 
dish), it's going to be the cheapest and simplest option.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 11:46 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  Never heard of it...

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
GigaBeam from UBNT
AF60-LR from UBNT (will be back on store.ui.com<http://store.ui.com> soon)
Mikrotik 60ghz PTP.

All of those are sub $500 for something approaching 1G.

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

A church wants a wireless link to push 1GBps over a street...
Any ideas? Siklu is out of their budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep.  MT wireless wire dish.

http://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2656=0



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 11:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

Just across a street? I would just go with a mikrotik 60ghz (wireless wire 
dish), it's going to be the cheapest and simplest option.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 11:46 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks.  Never heard of it...

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 9:16 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
GigaBeam from UBNT
AF60-LR from UBNT (will be back on store.ui.com<http://store.ui.com> soon)
Mikrotik 60ghz PTP.

All of those are sub $500 for something approaching 1G.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 1GBps link option

A church wants a wireless link to push 1GBps over a street...
Any ideas? Siklu is out of their budget.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

There were a number of companies that were working on small buried reactors 
that would power a small city, run for 40 years and then stay buried ..  need 
more power bury another one.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I wonder

Terrapower's TWR tech is pretty cool.

https://www.terrapower.com/

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
If Elon Musk decided to build nuclear reactors, would the price plummet?

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

PowerLink   24v to 48v converter cable, and if you use cambium a cambum cable.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.

I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but not 
sure I will find it.

So far this is the list:
Electric drill
Bell hangers bit.  .250”
Glow rods
Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
Fish tape

What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?
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Re: [AFMUG] QB for billing

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don't do it!  QB SUX for automatic billing, is sux big time.  Get a billing 
system, something that integrates and shuts customers off. Etc.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 3:01 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] QB for billing

Has anyone tried to use Quickbooks for customer billing and automatic 
ACH/credit card payments?
Looking for something painless to start with.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sprint

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Fun times!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:12 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT sprint

Working on engineering a new fiber line.  Called for locates.  Normally they 
will not do the locates unless you are actually digging.  If just engineering 
they will not even take the dig ticket.
So, I always do some form of geo tech bore hole soil sampling etc to get the 
paint down on the ROW without argument.  If I forget to drill the test 
holes well I am getting older and more forgetful.

Sprint showed up and said:
They have a 2’ (both sides, above and below) exclusive zone that we cannot come 
near nationwide.  4’ wide exclusion zone.
(I was in a state highway ROW).  Told the sprint guy that I doubted they have 
an exclusive ROW in a public highway ROW.

He went ballistic.  Said I had messed with the wrong people etc.  Got his boss 
on the phone.  I told the boss that I simply did not believe it.  I might be 
proven wrong but generally road ROWs are pretty much the domain of the 
political entity etc.  He said he had fought this battle many times and always 
won.  They have an exclusive easement everywhere in the USA and that their 
fiber is much more important than everyone else.  I said that one thing was 
certain, one of would be proven wrong.  He hung up.

I called UDOT.  They said, no, nothing special about Sprint.  I gave them the 
contact info for the locator’s boss.  UDOT called him.  He told UDOT that they 
did indeed have an exclusive easement and the would sue the state of Utah if it 
is not honored.  UDOT researched it.  Nope.  Nothing more than a permit.  Just 
like what Chuck has.  Nothing special about Sprint.  They said that they were 
going to straighten this out with the AGs office.

Then I discover that UDOT has very recently given this highway to the county.
County engineer says Sprint has nothing, they are in trespass everywhere they 
are in the county.

So, out plowing cable and the Sprint locator showed up.  Boxer shorts, flip 
flops, wife beater.  Starts running his mouth to my crew about Chuck pissed off 
the wrong guys and that he is going to be tied up in federal court for the next 
10 years etc.  Supervisor threw him off the job site.  No hard hat, no orange 
vest, no hard soled shoes.  Supervisor called me and said to expect a call from 
Sprint.  I called his boss instead.  Told him that they had failed to mark 1/3 
of the ROW and that the guy needs to conform to UDOT safety standards to be out 
there working.  And that as far as suing me in federal courth, UDOT says I am 
good to go.  “So tell your guy to shut the F*** up and just do his job. “

This time sprint boss was meek and mild and offered to cooperate any way 
possible.
I actually apologized for the harsh words, but was expecting the same attitude 
as before.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

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Lol



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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Done.
I had to see how many subs I had.  77

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 5:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Friends & Colleagues, Help me reach 100 subs on my Youtube channel so I can 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

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Thanks btw!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Done.
I had to see how many subs I had.  77

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Re: [AFMUG] I need your HELP!

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Guess I can’t get anyone to subscribe to mine, since we are asking   
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIPCmnxlC5Ds7MphT_gCcuA/


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 7:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Mine too.  ;-)  Well, we alreadyh ave the custom URL, but appreciate the subs 
anyway.  :-)

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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We tried to toss TowerCoveage.com to AWS.  Their quote was around 45k a month!  
 We are the exact opposite of what they want, high CPU and high IOPs.



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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:42 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Nobody make a product anymore and sells it.  Its all subscription based.  Its 
royally pissing me off too.  I mean even in app games if you wanna remove ads 
you could just buy the game.  NOW you need to pay $10 to remove ads for A MONTH 
or a period of time.

Anyhoo.. as far as CHR - I've messed around with it on Amazon and it does work. 
 Quite cool actually but I've found after crunching the numbers over the 
years its still way cheaper running your own hardware in your own NOC than in 
the cloud.  I've had servers run for 9 years giving me way more ROI than any 
monthly subscription could.  If properly maintained.   Not to mention you are 
taking your own destiny into your own hands instead of placing them in a 3rd 
party's possession.

Now if you don't have the staff or time to manage things then yeah you will 
need to pay someone else for their expertise in putting it all together.

I think a hybrid solution is the overall best solution.  The best of both 
worlds.

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(519)737-WAVE (9283)


From: "Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:53:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

On 6/10/20 6:01 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Oh, for sure. Virtualized routers are where the industry is going, whether 
> it's a VM running on your compute infrastructure or on your switch\router.


No thanks, because here comes the annual subscriptions. Cisco already
went that way with CSR 1000V. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but the majority of
the industry is sure to go that way too. At least the first sale
doctrine applies to hardware. Tired of fucking subscriptions for every
damn thing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Most people don't use them in the "cloud" but they run them in their data 
center, i.e. instead of a physical box in front of the servers, they just run 
it on their servers.  Not stating that this is good or bad, just another design 
choice.   I have complicated this, but cannot justify when I already have 
hardware running.  



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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
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Cambium: ePMP 

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" 
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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

VPN concentrator is about the only think I can think of.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 7:32:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

OK, I'm willing to appear stupid and ask the question.  What do you do with a 
router in the cloud?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 6:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

Managed to get it setup on Linode and seems to be working quite well.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR_Linode

Anyone else using Linode?

> Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We 
> have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem 
> management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a 
> cloud solution might be better.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT OTA receivers

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I use a HDHomeRun Quattro, with Plex.  It records what I want to and can watch 
whatever is record etc.   Works quite well.  As long as you have a decent 
server.


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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
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Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
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Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT OTA receivers


I have used HDhomerun for years now you can run the recording software on a PC 
or it integrates with most DVR platforms MythTV, Plex, Kodi, etc.




On 5/17/2020 7:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I had the tivo for quite some time until it quit working and I didn’t want to 
spend the money for another one.
I switched to airTV and then converted it to Sling.  It is buggy.  Does not 
always record what you tell it to, it will not allow fast forward on local 
channels and the audio level is much higher than all my other hdmi inputs like 
Roku.

So looking again for an ATA receiver.  Walmart has a really low cost unit that 
can record if you connect an external drive.  It allows time shift etc.
Does not stream over you network, you will have to have it connected to your 
display.  And you will have to feed it an RF TV signal.  But the whole 
streaming over the network by Tivo and Sling/AirTV has not exactly been 
flawless.

Anyone using anything else they really like?  One of my larger spots in the 
house to watch TV has a large monitor with no F connector.  So I need something 
there.  I would like something with a channel guide so that is one thing Sling 
does for me.



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard.  i.e. worse performance than 
native 32bit..  



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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP 

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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it was 
not to be. Disappointing...

Jared

> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020
> From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Cc: "Dennis Burgess" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>
> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 
> 
> 
> 
> Dennis Burgess
> 
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> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, 
> Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: 
> IPv6 Sage Level
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> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
> 
> Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3=161044
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

We have some PR2200s still in stock, dual 4 core Xeons.  Not exactly I7s though.

Honestly any decent server should work as long as it has good NICs in it.  ..

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Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Not looking to switch from Mikrotik.  Just wanted to know if there are any 
preconfigured i7 or better boxes that anybody’s selling right now.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

The Juniper MX204 is awesome and available now, but it'll set you back at least 
ten grand...

Here's a list of software routers you can try out:


  *   VyOS - free, version 1.3 will support XDP with both software and hardware 
offload 
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  *   DANOS - free, load it on a white box switch to see some serious Mpps 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-54028fedd3de2904d007150971cc30835c1d74c7<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320>
  *   FRR+VPP - free 
https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP
  *   TNSR - $400(?)/year for 10G license 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.tnsr.com=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-50d39b5d17d74da73864bbfc3794d6163e8dc3c7<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.tnsr.com=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-4e46a7a9d0e82d4f31d55e3745a5ace78d242077>
  *   6wind - ~3k$ for 10G license + 15% yearly 
https://www.6wind.com/vrouter-solutions/6wind-turbo-router/
  *   Juniper vMX - ̃4k$ for perpetual 10G license with 2 million routes 
https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/vmx/
  *   TheRouter - the Russian alternative :) 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2ftherouter.net=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-486987e3788be6be7abcd837f035361d7f6af972<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2ftherouter.net=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-2f374aea5294d27435634fca9a02d61a97e9f714>


Jared


Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020
From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
So what is awesome and available now?  We had an i7 box (network appliance I 
guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two).  
Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available.  BGP is a must.  We’re 
running CHR on our current boxes.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7



Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage's with 
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From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf 
Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fibe

Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 



Dennis Burgess

Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, 
Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP 

Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services 
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com 

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3=161044

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Re: [AFMUG] LTE routers.

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

What channel limitations?



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:36 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE routers.

I am hunting for an LTE router for travel.  I looked at the Mikrotiks 
and was a little disappointed in the channel limitations.   Anyone made 
this chase before and come up with a good answer?   I currently have 
sims for Verizon, Sprint, and OTR mobile...   ORT is currently T-Mobile...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Just like that statistic!  


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Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, 
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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

78.2 percent of statistics are made up on the spot

On Tue, May 5, 2020, 8:55 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
You guys work with statistics much?  You think the numbers are accurate?  At 
what point have you ever seen government or corporations represent 100% 
accurate numbers?

I'll let you do your own homework.  But I've seen hundreds of reports from all 
over the place of deaths of natural causes being classified as covid deaths.  
Since most patients have existing conditions and many were already dying and 
died of those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc)  are being attributed to 
covid.  Some people have estimated that upward of 20% misrepresented.  So as 
long as there is 1 case that is questionable - the statistics are not accurate.

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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?


The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can do when we 
don't actually test all the suspected infections. It also (probably) missed a 
whole lot of the early deaths, as they were miss-classified. If you think 
under-ground near-do-wells are planted in all the hospitals around the country 
and are coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a tin hat 
that might fit real well.



bp




On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Numbers are completely false.  Even with that taken into regard it still is 
just as lethal as the regular flu.  While it is way more harsh on people if 
they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had 
them, or didn't take it serious when they got it.

Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda.

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From: "chuck" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "af" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

[image]

Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...  Let’s hope we are 
on the tail of a normal curve.
6 days in a row decline.  But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a huge 
spike after.

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Quite a few..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

Dennis,how many of these do you have on order?

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
25G will be far more common than 40G.

40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a 
lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to 
happen.


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From: "Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out.  25 is kinda a 
black sheep in the industry.  Good luck matching equipment with upstreams.  I 
know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100.

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From: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out


[cid:image002.png@01D61A35.08B13B70]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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Dennis Burg

Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don’t know yet as they have not published a block diagram or routing 
performance numbers.  However, I would assume it would do just as good if not 
better than a 1072.. Course, that could be v7 as well, but don’t know yet.


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

whats the comparison to 1072?

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k ..  under 1k and more ports and 
25gig ports!

What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess!  We have our stock ordered, its 
not even on the MT product site yet.  Will be a week or two before they come 
in.  We will have significant stock on them.


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

[cid:image002.png@01D61A0A.367A05D0]

10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU

List price: $600


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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
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