Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Watch out that some automatic transfer switches assume half voltage is good 
enough, that’s actually a failure mode we see a lot on commercial power.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

 

On the same subject in our NOC we have a APC AP7723 AC transfer switch.  Has 
two AC inputs and if one fails automatically switches to the other.  Handy when 
doing maintenance on the UPS system.  Would like something like that for when 
we use a generator at a remote site we can plug one input into generator and 
other into AC power.  The idea is that hopefully when the generator runs out of 
fuel power might be back on and save an urgent trip to switch over.  Was 
thinking there should be something cheaper and smaller than the APC unit?

 

This only applies to our small sites and rare extended outage.  Most our main 
sites have a ~50 gallon propane tank and small generac with transfer switch.

 

 

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone missing. 
It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than enough. It just 
needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread TJ Trout 
you can get old apc transfer switches on ebay for $20-40 I think, rackmount

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:46 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Just had the same issue at a remote customer site that had the customers
> ac down.  So I found this:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004S5Y158/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1
>
>
>
>
> On 11/27/2018 03:46 PM, Matt wrote:
> > On the same subject in our NOC we have a APC AP7723 AC transfer switch.
> > Has two AC inputs and if one fails automatically switches to the other.
> > Handy when doing maintenance on the UPS system.  Would like something
> > like that for when we use a generator at a remote site we can plug one
> > input into generator and other into AC power.  The idea is that
> > hopefully when the generator runs out of fuel power might be back on and
> > save an urgent trip to switch over.  Was thinking there should be
> > something cheaper and smaller than the APC unit?
> >
> > This only applies to our small sites and rare extended outage.  Most our
> > main sites have a ~50 gallon propane tank and small generac with
> > transfer switch.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  > > wrote:
> >
> > What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
> > missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more
> > than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to
> ingest.
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Chuck McCown 
I built one from a cheap rack mount outlet strip from FS.com I think and a 
relay.  Maybe had $20 into it.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 5:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

Just had the same issue at a remote customer site that had the customers
ac down.  So I found this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004S5Y158/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1




On 11/27/2018 03:46 PM, Matt wrote:
On the same subject in our NOC we have a APC AP7723 AC transfer switch. 
Has two AC inputs and if one fails automatically switches to the other. 
Handy when doing maintenance on the UPS system.  Would like something like 
that for when we use a generator at a remote site we can plug one input 
into generator and other into AC power.  The idea is that hopefully when 
the generator runs out of fuel power might be back on and save an urgent 
trip to switch over.  Was thinking there should be something cheaper and 
smaller than the APC unit?


This only applies to our small sites and rare extended outage.  Most our 
main sites have a ~50 gallon propane tank and small generac with transfer 
switch.



On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more
than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.




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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Robert Andrews 
Just had the same issue at a remote customer site that had the customers 
ac down.  So I found this:


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004S5Y158/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8=1




On 11/27/2018 03:46 PM, Matt wrote:
On the same subject in our NOC we have a APC AP7723 AC transfer switch.  
Has two AC inputs and if one fails automatically switches to the other.  
Handy when doing maintenance on the UPS system.  Would like something 
like that for when we use a generator at a remote site we can plug one 
input into generator and other into AC power.  The idea is that 
hopefully when the generator runs out of fuel power might be back on and 
save an urgent trip to switch over.  Was thinking there should be 
something cheaper and smaller than the APC unit?


This only applies to our small sites and rare extended outage.  Most our 
main sites have a ~50 gallon propane tank and small generac with 
transfer switch.



On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:


What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more
than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.




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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Matt 
On the same subject in our NOC we have a APC AP7723 AC transfer switch.
Has two AC inputs and if one fails automatically switches to the other.
Handy when doing maintenance on the UPS system.  Would like something like
that for when we use a generator at a remote site we can plug one input
into generator and other into AC power.  The idea is that hopefully when
the generator runs out of fuel power might be back on and save an urgent
trip to switch over.  Was thinking there should be something cheaper and
smaller than the APC unit?

This only applies to our small sites and rare extended outage.  Most our
main sites have a ~50 gallon propane tank and small generac with transfer
switch.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than
> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread SmarterBroadband 
No idea about the oil, I will have to ask one of my guys.
Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 11:11 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

I was looking to buy some pre-converted 1000's for about 2K each and sell my 
1000 gas models but I will try one of their trifuel kits and see 
how it works out!  Thanks!   How is the oil quality when burning 
propane?   Does that make it work better?   I would hate to convert, go 
to a longer runtime and find out that the oil is dying before the fuel 
bottle.   But even if its just the same, it's a win hauling/connecting 
propane vs. gas...

Robert

On 11/27/2018 10:22 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.
> 
> Also suggest you convert to propane using a 
> https://www.motorsnorkel.com/
> 
> We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new 
> snorkel it is very easy to DIY.
> 
> They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank 
> for extended run times and it is clean….
> 
> Adam
> 
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike 
> Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator
> 
> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to 
> play nice?
> 
> 
> 
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> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Local Generator
> 
> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone 
> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more 
> than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Steve Jones 
pick up a nice honda propane unit and leave it in the same place as the one
that went missing

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than
> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Josh Luthman 
All my mobile ones are from Lowes - Troy Bilt brand.  They're usually
Briggs engines.  They all work for the APC UPS units, Mikrotik stuff, etc.

I've got the 5 gallon gas units, they're about 24 hours of run time - we
fill it up in the morning and at night to be safe.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:26 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Propane burns a lot cleaner than gas. It's a lower energy vale (about
> 80% IIRC), but produces a lot fewer by-products.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/27/2018 11:11 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > I was looking to buy some pre-converted 1000's for about 2K each and
> > sell my 1000 gas models but I will try one of their trifuel kits and
> > see how it works out!  Thanks!   How is the oil quality when burning
> > propane?   Does that make it work better?   I would hate to convert,
> > go to a longer runtime and find out that the oil is dying before the
> > fuel bottle.   But even if its just the same, it's a win
> > hauling/connecting propane vs. gas...
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > On 11/27/2018 10:22 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> >> I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.
> >>
> >> Also suggest you convert to propane using a
> >> https://www.motorsnorkel.com/
> >>
> >> We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new
> >> snorkel it is very easy to DIY.
> >>
> >> They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank
> >> for extended run times and it is clean….
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:33 AM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator
> >>
> >> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to
> >> play nice?
> >>
> >>
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> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
> >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Local Generator
> >>
> >> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
> >> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more
> >> than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Bill Prince 
Propane burns a lot cleaner than gas. It's a lower energy vale (about 
80% IIRC), but produces a lot fewer by-products.



bp


On 11/27/2018 11:11 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
I was looking to buy some pre-converted 1000's for about 2K each and 
sell my 1000 gas models but I will try one of their trifuel kits and 
see how it works out!  Thanks!   How is the oil quality when burning 
propane?   Does that make it work better?   I would hate to convert, 
go to a longer runtime and find out that the oil is dying before the 
fuel bottle.   But even if its just the same, it's a win 
hauling/connecting propane vs. gas...


Robert

On 11/27/2018 10:22 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.

Also suggest you convert to propane using a 
https://www.motorsnorkel.com/


We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new 
snorkel it is very easy to DIY.


They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank 
for extended run times and it is clean….


Adam

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:33 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to 
play nice?




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*To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Local Generator

What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone 
missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more 
than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.




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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Robert Andrews 
I was looking to buy some pre-converted 1000's for about 2K each and 
sell my 1000 gas models but I will try one of their trifuel kits and see 
how it works out!  Thanks!   How is the oil quality when burning 
propane?   Does that make it work better?   I would hate to convert, go 
to a longer runtime and find out that the oil is dying before the fuel 
bottle.   But even if its just the same, it's a win hauling/connecting 
propane vs. gas...


Robert

On 11/27/2018 10:22 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.

Also suggest you convert to propane using a https://www.motorsnorkel.com/

We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new snorkel 
it is very easy to DIY.


They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank for 
extended run times and it is clean….


Adam

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:33 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to play 
nice?




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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I second the Honda 1000 and 2000 inverter generators.

 

Also suggest you convert to propane using a https://www.motorsnorkel.com/

 

We had ours done by them many years ago, I believe with the new snorkel it is 
very easy to DIY.

 

They run a long time on a BBQ sized tank, you can use a bigger tank for 
extended run times and it is clean….

 

Adam

 

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Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to play nice?



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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Bill Prince 
That makes a lot of sense. Those things probably don't expect to go much 
beyond 50 hours per oil change, but over a longer period of (calendar) 
time. Every 3rd extended run would get you at least 150 hours if you got 
2 days per run. It would be on the order of 200 hours if you got 3 days 
per run.



bp


On 11/27/2018 8:26 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
We ran the extended tanks a lot on a few 1000's for the 16-17 
megawinter out here.   Be sure and follow the maintenance on them when 
you do extended runs of those 2-3 days as they will trash their oil 
doing that.   We got to where we were changing the oil every third 
extended run and it showed in the oil we were pouring out.   We didn't 
at first and now one of the 1000's is running pretty smokey compared 
to the other two.


Robert

On 11/27/2018 07:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

The extended fuel tank certainly de-stresses the situation.

On 11/27/2018 10:38 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

You need an inverter generator which generates clean sinewave power.

The best and most reliable will be the Honda eu1000 or eu2200 which 
we have one and it's been awesome! Will last forever if you follow 
normal maintenance schedule. They should be stocked locally at any 
place that sells tools or generators.


We also bought and extended runtime tank on eBay to allow it to run 
up to 2 or 3 days without a refill.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 9:26 AM Larry Smith <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> wrote:


    We found that on our APC ups units pretty much all of them
    work from most generators if we change the input sensitivity
    from high to medium.  Apparently has something to do with
    how it views the square wave of the input power.

    --     Larry Smith
    lesm...@ecsis.net <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>

    On Tue November 27 2018 08:59, Matt Hoppes wrote:
    > Yes. You want an investor style.
    >
    > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:47, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
    > >
    > > I was going to suggest inverter, but more for the long 
run-time.

    > > We got a Ryobi inverter generator from Home Depot and it has
    run a UPS
    > > before.  I couldn't tell you the model number.
    > >
    > >> On 11/27/2018 9:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
    > >> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the
    UPS to play
    > >> nice?
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    has gone
    > >> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is
    more than
    > >> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to 
ingest.

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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Robert Andrews 
We ran the extended tanks a lot on a few 1000's for the 16-17 megawinter 
out here.   Be sure and follow the maintenance on them when you do 
extended runs of those 2-3 days as they will trash their oil doing that. 
  We got to where we were changing the oil every third extended run and 
it showed in the oil we were pouring out.   We didn't at first and now 
one of the 1000's is running pretty smokey compared to the other two.


Robert

On 11/27/2018 07:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

The extended fuel tank certainly de-stresses the situation.

On 11/27/2018 10:38 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

You need an inverter generator which generates clean sinewave power.

The best and most reliable will be the Honda eu1000 or eu2200 which we 
have one and it's been awesome! Will last forever if you follow normal 
maintenance schedule. They should be stocked locally at any place that 
sells tools or generators.


We also bought and extended runtime tank on eBay to allow it to run up 
to 2 or 3 days without a refill.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 9:26 AM Larry Smith <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> wrote:


We found that on our APC ups units pretty much all of them
work from most generators if we change the input sensitivity
from high to medium.  Apparently has something to do with
how it views the square wave of the input power.

-- 
Larry Smith

lesm...@ecsis.net <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>

On Tue November 27 2018 08:59, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Yes. You want an investor style.
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:47, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I was going to suggest inverter, but more for the long run-time.
> > We got a Ryobi inverter generator from Home Depot and it has
run a UPS
> > before.  I couldn't tell you the model number.
> >
> >> On 11/27/2018 9:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the
UPS to play
> >> nice?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
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> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Local Generator
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> >> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine
has gone
> >> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is
more than
> >> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett 

The extended fuel tank certainly de-stresses the situation.

On 11/27/2018 10:38 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

You need an inverter generator which generates clean sinewave power.

The best and most reliable will be the Honda eu1000 or eu2200 which we 
have one and it's been awesome! Will last forever if you follow normal 
maintenance schedule. They should be stocked locally at any place that 
sells tools or generators.


We also bought and extended runtime tank on eBay to allow it to run up 
to 2 or 3 days without a refill.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 9:26 AM Larry Smith <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> wrote:


We found that on our APC ups units pretty much all of them
work from most generators if we change the input sensitivity
from high to medium.  Apparently has something to do with
how it views the square wave of the input power.

-- 
Larry Smith

lesm...@ecsis.net <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>

On Tue November 27 2018 08:59, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Yes. You want an investor style.
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:47, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I was going to suggest inverter, but more for the long run-time.
> > We got a Ryobi inverter generator from Home Depot and it has
run a UPS
> > before.  I couldn't tell you the model number.
> >
> >> On 11/27/2018 9:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the
UPS to play
> >> nice?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Local Generator
> >>
> >> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine
has gone
> >> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is
more than
> >> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Larry Smith 
We found that on our APC ups units pretty much all of them
work from most generators if we change the input sensitivity
from high to medium.  Apparently has something to do with
how it views the square wave of the input power.

-- 
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lesm...@ecsis.net

On Tue November 27 2018 08:59, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Yes. You want an investor style.
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:47, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > I was going to suggest inverter, but more for the long run-time.
> > We got a Ryobi inverter generator from Home Depot and it has run a UPS
> > before.  I couldn't tell you the model number.
> >
> >> On 11/27/2018 9:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to play
> >> nice?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>
> >> Midwest Internet Exchange
> >>
> >> The Brothers WISP
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Local Generator
> >>
> >> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
> >> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than
> >> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Yes. You want an investor style. 

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:47, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I was going to suggest inverter, but more for the long run-time.
> We got a Ryobi inverter generator from Home Depot and it has run a UPS 
> before.  I couldn't tell you the model number.
> 
> 
>> On 11/27/2018 9:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to play 
>> nice?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 8:19:11 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Local Generator
>> 
>> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone 
>> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than 
>> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Adam Moffett 

I was going to suggest inverter, but more for the long run-time.
We got a Ryobi inverter generator from Home Depot and it has run a UPS 
before.  I couldn't tell you the model number.



On 11/27/2018 9:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to 
play nice?




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*Subject: *[AFMUG] Local Generator

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than enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.





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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Mike Hammett 
Am I looking for it to be an inverter-type generator for the UPS to play nice? 




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What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone missing. 
It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than enough. It just 
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Matt Hoppes 
Polaris 1000i

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:19, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone missing. 
> It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than enough. It 
> just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

2018-11-27 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF 
We went with a 20k Generac propane unit.  The tough part is clean power for UPS 
..  ☺


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It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than enough. It just 
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