Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Adam Moffett]

Mules.  I'll have to look into that LOL


On 12/4/2018 10:12 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Ain’t no easy solution to this.  I have one fiber line that goes over 
the mountains between Telluride and Cortez CO.  Hump everything in.  
Splice it on the ground and do show shoes for the slack up on the 
strand.  Hooks, poles, ladders.  Mules.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 9:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road
You can definitely mount a splice case on the pole.  Whether you mount 
it at the bottom or the top doesn't make much difference.  So for new 
installation and drop termination you could pre-plan and leave slack 
in all the right places. The issue I see is when there's a break and I 
have to develop slack from somewhere down the line or work with what's 
there.


There's also the fact that if I'm in the brush or in cornfield there 
may be no convenient place for a tent on the ground, and I have to be 
able to splice in the middle of the driving snow storm or else I'm 
just a pretender and not a real service provider.


So we might have to set up a tent and a work table up in the air and 
spike up the pole, and all of that crap has to be carried on foot.  I 
enjoy backpacking, but it sounds like a lot of shit to carry.  
#RuralFiber


I'm hoping for easy answers because I'm fundamentally lazy, but my 
devotion to duty means I have to set aside laziness and just grouse 
and bitch my way through whatever problem I'm facing.  So I know that 
I can walk out into the bush with all of my crap for splicing up on 
the pole in the wildernessI just don't want to.  Come on AFMUG, 
give me the easy solution!


On 12/3/2018 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


But they are OK with a pole in the cornfield?

Seems like there should be some kind of splice case you could mount 
on the pole maybe 5 feet off the ground.  Unless you worry that the 
farm equipment will hit it when making turns in the field. Seems like 
they would have to be turning within inches of a utility pole 
though.  Of course, that’s one of the reasons utility poles get 
knocked over in our area.  Not sure if it’s due to inattentive 
farmers, or GPS errors and autosteer.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

That would work in some places for sure.  I bet they don't want a ped 
or hand hole in the corn field though.


On 12/3/2018 6:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Run it down the pole and splice in a ped or hand hole.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, December 3, 2018 4:22 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to
stand on, but provide me with some work space. Various
manufacturers make ladder-mount splicing workstations, most are
outrageously expensive though.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett 
wrote:

Do you mount a work table on the ladder?

On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a
pole.  It isn't my favorite way to do things, but it is
workable.  If you're going to need to do it in inclement
weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable
ladder tent - providing steel strand is present.

-Jason

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett
 wrote:

I'm looking at some rural places where for some
reason the power company
chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the
road behind the
houses.

I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these
places.  Sometimes you'd
be crushing a corn field to get there or other times
it's brushy and
untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a
forestry mulcher
through it.

How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in
the bush like that?
If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to
splice out there at
some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and
set up a tent or do
you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash
a work table to
the pole?

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[chuck]

Ain’t no easy solution to this.  I have one fiber line that goes over the 
mountains between Telluride and Cortez CO.  Hump everything in.  Splice it on 
the ground and do show shoes for the slack up on the strand.  Hooks, poles, 
ladders.  Mules.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 9:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

You can definitely mount a splice case on the pole.  Whether you mount it at 
the bottom or the top doesn't make much difference.  So for new installation 
and drop termination you could pre-plan and leave slack in all the right 
places.  The issue I see is when there's a break and I have to develop slack 
from somewhere down the line or work with what's there.

There's also the fact that if I'm in the brush or in cornfield there may be no 
convenient place for a tent on the ground, and I have to be able to splice in 
the middle of the driving snow storm or else I'm just a pretender and not a 
real service provider.

So we might have to set up a tent and a work table up in the air and spike up 
the pole, and all of that crap has to be carried on foot.  I enjoy backpacking, 
but it sounds like a lot of shit to carry.  #RuralFiber 

I'm hoping for easy answers because I'm fundamentally lazy, but my devotion to 
duty means I have to set aside laziness and just grouse and bitch my way 
through whatever problem I'm facing.  So I know that I can walk out into the 
bush with all of my crap for splicing up on the pole in the wildernessI 
just don't want to.  Come on AFMUG, give me the easy solution!


On 12/3/2018 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  But they are OK with a pole in the cornfield?

   

  Seems like there should be some kind of splice case you could mount on the 
pole maybe 5 feet off the ground.  Unless you worry that the farm equipment 
will hit it when making turns in the field.  Seems like they would have to be 
turning within inches of a utility pole though.  Of course, that’s one of the 
reasons utility poles get knocked over in our area.  Not sure if it’s due to 
inattentive farmers, or GPS errors and autosteer.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 8:02 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

   

  That would work in some places for sure.  I bet they don't want a ped or hand 
hole in the corn field though.



  On 12/3/2018 6:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Run it down the pole and splice in a ped or hand hole.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 4:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

 

I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to stand on, 
but provide me with some work space.  Various manufacturers make ladder-mount 
splicing workstations, most are outrageously expensive though.

 

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Do you mount a work table on the ladder?

  On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It 
isn't my favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're going to 
need to do it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase a 
strand-mountable ladder tent - providing steel strand is present. 

 

-Jason

 

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power 
company 
  chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the 
  houses.

  I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes 
you'd 
  be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and 
  untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher 
  through it.

  How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like 
that?  
  If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there 
at 
  some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or 
do 
  you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to 
  the pole?

  -Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Bill Prince]

Fields are soft by necessity. Go underground instead of using poles.


bp


On 12/3/2018 8:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Come on AFMUG, give me the easy solution!


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Adam Moffett]

You can definitely mount a splice case on the pole.  Whether you mount 
it at the bottom or the top doesn't make much difference.  So for new 
installation and drop termination you could pre-plan and leave slack in 
all the right places.  The issue I see is when there's a break and I 
have to develop slack from somewhere down the line or work with what's 
there.


There's also the fact that if I'm in the brush or in cornfield there may 
be no convenient place for a tent on the ground, and I have to be able 
to splice in the middle of the driving snow storm or else I'm just a 
pretender and not a real service provider.


So we might have to set up a tent and a work table up in the air and 
spike up the pole, and all of that crap has to be carried on foot. I 
enjoy backpacking, but it sounds like a lot of shit to carry. #RuralFiber


I'm hoping for easy answers because I'm fundamentally lazy, but my 
devotion to duty means I have to set aside laziness and just grouse and 
bitch my way through whatever problem I'm facing.  So I know that I can 
walk out into the bush with all of my crap for splicing up on the pole 
in the wildernessI just don't want to.  Come on AFMUG, give me the 
easy solution!


On 12/3/2018 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


But they are OK with a pole in the cornfield?

Seems like there should be some kind of splice case you could mount on 
the pole maybe 5 feet off the ground.  Unless you worry that the farm 
equipment will hit it when making turns in the field.  Seems like they 
would have to be turning within inches of a utility pole though.  Of 
course, that’s one of the reasons utility poles get knocked over in 
our area.  Not sure if it’s due to inattentive farmers, or GPS errors 
and autosteer.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 8:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

That would work in some places for sure.  I bet they don't want a ped 
or hand hole in the corn field though.


On 12/3/2018 6:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Run it down the pole and splice in a ped or hand hole.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, December 3, 2018 4:22 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to
stand on, but provide me with some work space.  Various
manufacturers make ladder-mount splicing workstations, most are
outrageously expensive though.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Do you mount a work table on the ladder?

On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a
pole.  It isn't my favorite way to do things, but it is
workable.  If you're going to need to do it in inclement
weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable
ladder tent - providing steel strand is present.

-Jason

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason
the power company
chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the
road behind the
houses.

I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these
places.  Sometimes you'd
be crushing a corn field to get there or other times
it's brushy and
untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a
forestry mulcher
through it.

How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in
the bush like that?
If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to
splice out there at
some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and
set up a tent or do
you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash
a work table to
the pole?

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Ken Hohhof]

But they are OK with a pole in the cornfield?

 

Seems like there should be some kind of splice case you could mount on the pole 
maybe 5 feet off the ground.  Unless you worry that the farm equipment will hit 
it when making turns in the field.  Seems like they would have to be turning 
within inches of a utility pole though.  Of course, that’s one of the reasons 
utility poles get knocked over in our area.  Not sure if it’s due to 
inattentive farmers, or GPS errors and autosteer.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 8:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

 

That would work in some places for sure.  I bet they don't want a ped or hand 
hole in the corn field though.



On 12/3/2018 6:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Run it down the pole and splice in a ped or hand hole.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 4:22 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

 

I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to stand on, but 
provide me with some work space.  Various manufacturers make ladder-mount 
splicing workstations, most are outrageously expensive though.

 

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Do you mount a work table on the ladder?

On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It isn't my 
favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're going to need to do 
it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable ladder 
tent - providing steel strand is present. 

 

-Jason

 

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company 
chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the 
houses.

I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd 
be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and 
untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher 
through it.

How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that?  
If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at 
some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do 
you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to 
the pole?

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Ken Hohhof]

Searching with Google,  I'm guessing what I saw was an Altec DB37 "backyard
digger/derrick".

I see a used DB35 on eBay for only $22,500.  Such a deal.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 5:56 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

Doesn't really help you, but I recently saw AT with this amazing tracked
vehicle for setting poles along the property line between 2 suburban houses.
A lot of their phone lines in our suburb are run that way instead of on the
poles in the parkway where the electric wires  and cable TV are.  I don't
know why it was done this way, probably some historical thing.  But this
vehicle they had was very narrow but also quite sturdy.  Like you took a
full blown utility company pole setting truck and crossed it with one of
those little Toro tractor things.  I should have taken a picture with my
phone (I was out walking the canine).

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 3:53 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company
chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the houses.

I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd be
crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and untamed
and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher through it.

How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that? If
we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at some
point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do you climb
the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to the pole?

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Jason McKemie]

Good point - at least leave yourself enough slack to get it down to the
ground.  Certain splice locations on my network don't have that luxury.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:36 PM  wrote:

> Run it down the pole and splice in a ped or hand hole.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2018 4:22 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road
>
> I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to stand
> on, but provide me with some work space.  Various manufacturers make
> ladder-mount splicing workstations, most are outrageously expensive though.
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Do you mount a work table on the ladder?
>>
>> On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It isn't
>> my favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're going to need
>> to do it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable
>> ladder tent - providing steel strand is present.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company
>>> chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the
>>> houses.
>>>
>>> I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd
>>> be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and
>>> untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher
>>> through it.
>>>
>>> How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that?
>>> If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at
>>> some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do
>>> you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to
>>> the pole?
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[chuck]

Run it down the pole and splice in a ped or hand hole.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to stand on, but 
provide me with some work space.  Various manufacturers make ladder-mount 
splicing workstations, most are outrageously expensive though.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Do you mount a work table on the ladder?


  On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It isn't 
my favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're going to need to 
do it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable ladder 
tent - providing steel strand is present. 

-Jason

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company 
  chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the 
  houses.

  I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd 
  be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and 
  untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher 
  through it.

  How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that?  
  If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at 
  some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do 
  you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to 
  the pole?

  -Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Jason McKemie]

I've been using a Werner work platform.  They're actually made to stand on,
but provide me with some work space.  Various manufacturers make
ladder-mount splicing workstations, most are outrageously expensive though.

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Do you mount a work table on the ladder?
>
> On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It isn't
> my favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're going to need
> to do it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable
> ladder tent - providing steel strand is present.
>
> -Jason
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company
>> chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the
>> houses.
>>
>> I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd
>> be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and
>> untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher
>> through it.
>>
>> How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that?
>> If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at
>> some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do
>> you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to
>> the pole?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Adam Moffett]

Do you mount a work table on the ladder?

On 12/3/2018 5:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It 
isn't my favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're 
going to need to do it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase 
a strand-mountable ladder tent - providing steel strand is present.


-Jason

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power
company
chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the
houses.

I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places. Sometimes
you'd
be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and
untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher
through it.

How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like
that?
If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out
there at
some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent
or do
you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to
the pole?

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Jason McKemie]

I have several locations that I splice from a ladder on a pole.  It isn't
my favorite way to do things, but it is workable.  If you're going to need
to do it in inclement weather, I would probably purchase a strand-mountable
ladder tent - providing steel strand is present.

-Jason

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company
> chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the
> houses.
>
> I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd
> be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and
> untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher
> through it.
>
> How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that?
> If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at
> some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do
> you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to
> the pole?
>
> -Adam
>
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[AFMUG] Splicing on a pole off road

[Adam Moffett]

I'm looking at some rural places where for some reason the power company 
chose to run their pole line about 100 yards off the road behind the 
houses.


I cannot drive a bucket truck to some of these places.  Sometimes you'd 
be crushing a corn field to get there or other times it's brushy and 
untamed and you couldn't drive anything less than a forestry mulcher 
through it.


How do you equip someone for fusion splicing out in the bush like that?  
If we build on this route, we'll have to be able to splice out there at 
some point.  Do you clear a space on the ground and set up a tent or do 
you climb the pole and set up an aerial tent and lash a work table to 
the pole?


-Adam


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