Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh 


> On Jun 14, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> This is the motivational door we walk through every day
> 
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
> Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves 
> .."? 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
> through a project.  Mandatory OT. 
>  
> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
> offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
> convince me they are on death’s door?
>  
> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
> hope you feel better soon. 
> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Chuck McCown 
I used to have a pre flight checklist written by a guy that worked on film 
sets.  He was in charge of all things electrical.  That was more of a book than 
a check list.  Things like spare filters for generators and making sure you 
record the hours that bulbs have burned.  It had a lot of really good ideas on 
it so that you could prevent holding up the shooting of a movie by your lack of 
attention to detail.  I am sure there is a painful story behind every entry.  
Wish I could find it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 7:45 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Film crews have best boys.  Or girls.  And gaffers and key grips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_boy

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 7:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Somehow make it known that "best guys" get best treatment and you get to a best 
guy by being pro-chuck...

On 6/8/19 2:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  It was nice this morning to see two of my best guys ask if they could come in 
today and finish this job.  

   

  From: Keefe John 

  Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:25 PM

  To: AFMUG 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

   

  Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse. 
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face. 

   

  Keefe 

   

  On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves 
.."? 

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:

  We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to 
push through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

   

  Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I 
am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

   

  Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

  Grumble

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Chuck McCown 
I understand gaffer, I used to wear gaffs and climb poles.  I presume in the 
early days of movies, lots of electrical work involved poles.  Grips, I guess 
people that hold things?  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 7:45 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Film crews have best boys.  Or girls.  And gaffers and key grips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_boy

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 7:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Somehow make it known that "best guys" get best treatment and you get to a best 
guy by being pro-chuck...

On 6/8/19 2:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  It was nice this morning to see two of my best guys ask if they could come in 
today and finish this job.  

   

  From: Keefe John 

  Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:25 PM

  To: AFMUG 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

   

  Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse. 
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face. 

   

  Keefe 

   

  On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves 
.."? 

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:

  We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to 
push through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

   

  Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I 
am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

   

  Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

  Grumble

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Film crews have best boys.  Or girls.  And gaffers and key grips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_boy

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 7:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Somehow make it known that "best guys" get best treatment and you get to a best 
guy by being pro-chuck...

On 6/8/19 2:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

It was nice this morning to see two of my best guys ask if they could come in 
today and finish this job.  

 

From: Keefe John 

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:25 PM

To: AFMUG 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse. 
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face. 

 

Keefe 

 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves 
.."? 

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

 

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

 

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, hope 
you feel better soon.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Robert 
Somehow make it known that "best guys" get best treatment and you get to 
a best guy by being pro-chuck...


On 6/8/19 2:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
It was nice this morning to see two of my best guys ask if they could 
come in today and finish this job.

*From:* Keefe John
*Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:25 PM
*To:* AFMUG
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict 
adverse. They'd much rather no show than say no to your face.

Keefe
On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale
improves .."?
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an
off day to push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more
money, here I am offering them 10 hours of time and a half,
and they would rather try to convince me they are on death’s door?
Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK
fine, sorry, hope you feel better soon.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread chuck 
It was nice this morning to see two of my best guys ask if they could come in 
today and finish this job.  

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 2:25 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse. 
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face. 

Keefe 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves 
.."? 

  On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to 
push through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Ken Hohhof 
And they have long hair and listen to rock and roll music.  Oh wait, that’s 
what my parents said about my generation.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 3:25 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse. 
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face.

 

Keefe 

 

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves 
.."? 

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

 

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

 

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, hope 
you feel better soon.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Keefe John 
Unfortunately kids these day have no work ethic and are conflict adverse.
They'd much rather no show than say no to your face.

Keefe

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale
> improves .."?
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:
>
>> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
>> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>>
>> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
>> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
>> convince me they are on death’s door?
>>
>> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry,
>> hope you feel better soon.
>> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-08 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Didn't you have that poster, " beatings will continue until morale improves
.."?

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 AM  wrote:

> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>
> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
> convince me they are on death’s door?
>
> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry,
> hope you feel better soon.
> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread chuck 
Big project, almost finished, the same guys that did not show had installed a 
handhole crooked with no gravel.  So conceivable they could have finished the 
project yesterday...


From: Matt Corcoran 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 12:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

With a 4 day work week, It sounds ‘especially reasonable’ to ask them to work 
on a ‘Friday’ with short notice. (written in the work contract)

Then an occasional Saturday is understandable, in which case you would have 
seen that coming and already given a few days advance notice that it may be 
necessary.

If you need them to work on a Sunday, you screwed up and need to apologize to 
your client.(network breakdowns are an exception.)

 

From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

The notice is the thing.  We work 4 x 10 hour days but if we are behind it is 
common to ask them to come in on Friday.  So we are not really giving them much 
notice at all.  

 

From: Joshua Samuels 

Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:13 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

I'd give extra bonuses to the ones that actually showed up as required. 
Reiterate that mandatory OT is required per job hiring/employee handbook. Make 
everyone sign a note/policy moving forward. 

 

Also make sure you give them sufficient notice if possible in the future moving 
forward so they have no excuse...at least 48 - 36 hours.

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 12:06 PM  wrote:

  I think we will put this verbiage in the employee handbook.  

   

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:43 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

   

  Maybe a company-wide e-mail reaffirming that you occasionally have OT to meet 
production demands? Full staff is expected on those days to meet deadlines, but 
that you understand that there may be prior obligations that can't be mitigated 
on a short notice. Accurately stating that you can't come in due to prior 
obligations is highly appreciated. Continual inability to meet emergency OT 
requirements may result in disciplinary action. Abuse of the prior obligation 
caveat may result in disciplinary action.



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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
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  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:37:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

  Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go. 
 But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.  

   

  If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time 
for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they 
are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper 
response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.  

   

  From: Carl Peterson 

  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

   

  What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?  

   

  On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed 
schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious 
issue about working certain days.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to 
push through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

 

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

 

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Matt Corcoran 
With a 4 day work week, It sounds ‘especially reasonable’ to ask them to work 
on a ‘Friday’ with short notice. (written in the work contract)
Then an occasional Saturday is understandable, in which case you would have 
seen that coming and already given a few days advance notice that it may be 
necessary.
If you need them to work on a Sunday, you screwed up and need to apologize to 
your client.(network breakdowns are an exception.)

From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, June 7, 2019 at 12:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

The notice is the thing.  We work 4 x 10 hour days but if we are behind it is 
common to ask them to come in on Friday.  So we are not really giving them much 
notice at all.

From: Joshua Samuels
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

I'd give extra bonuses to the ones that actually showed up as required. 
Reiterate that mandatory OT is required per job hiring/employee handbook. Make 
everyone sign a note/policy moving forward.

Also make sure you give them sufficient notice if possible in the future moving 
forward so they have no excuse...at least 48 - 36 hours.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 12:06 PM  wrote:
I think we will put this verbiage in the employee handbook.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Maybe a company-wide e-mail reaffirming that you occasionally have OT to meet 
production demands? Full staff is expected on those days to meet deadlines, but 
that you understand that there may be prior obligations that can't be mitigated 
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requirements may result in disciplinary action. Abuse of the prior obligation 
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:37:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go.  
But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.

If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time for 
them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they are 
faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper response 
should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.

From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed schedule 
around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious issue 
about working certain days.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, hope 
you feel better soon.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Steve Jones 
Im not saying bad things will happen, but sometimes bad things happen to
people, say a list of names and home addresses slid into my DMs, Sometimes
its happenstance that a list of names in some DMs happen that everybody on
it catches a case or My House Burned down and my cat got pregnant.
sometimes their kneebones separate, sometimes a ditch opens up and their
car falls in, you never know, its a strange world, they might happen to
find that they contracted a broken eye socket or some viral stab
wounds. just sayin, you just never know what tomorrow holds.

also, the guys that showed up, give them double time, youre saving 1.5 on
the mopes who didnt. Call the local portapotty company, tell them you need
50 units that need a hand scrubbing, have them lined up in the parking lot
on Monday with a pile of washclothes. Tell the mopes you got in some
contract work

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 11:35 AM Rex-List Account 
wrote:

> Now you are showing your age. So up your nose with a rubber hose. LOL
>
> Wonder how many other than me got that.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Hannum
> *Sent:* Friday, June 07, 2019 11:10 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
>
>
> Signed, "Epstien's Mom" . . .  LOL
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM  wrote:
>
> I can.  But if they go to a doctor they will always get a note.  Nothing
> more than creating hassle and expense for them.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
>
>
> Can you ask for a doctor's note?  I'm not sure if that is legal or not.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:
>
> Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them
> go.  But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory
> OT at times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.
>
>
>
> If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time
> for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed
> they are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the
> proper response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.
>
>
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
>
>
> What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you
> prefer that?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed
> schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a
> religious issue about working certain days.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
>
>
> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>
>
>
> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
> convince me they are on death’s door?
>
>
>
> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry,
> hope you feel better soon.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Rex-List Account 
Now you are showing your age. So up your nose with a rubber hose. LOL

Wonder how many other than me got that.

 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Signed, "Epstien's Mom" . . .  LOL

 

Dave

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM  wrote:

I can.  But if they go to a doctor they will always get a note.  Nothing more 
than creating hassle and expense for them.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:00 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

Can you ask for a doctor's note?  I'm not sure if that is legal or not.

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go.  
But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.  

 

If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time for 
them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they are 
faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper response 
should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.  

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?  

 

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed schedule 
around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious issue 
about working certain days.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

 

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

 

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, hope 
you feel better soon.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Robert Andrews 
& Emergencies that sometimes are the cause of said Mandatory OT seldom 
give notice...  Although the ones that do, are usually doozies!


On 06/07/2019 09:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
The notice is the thing.  We work 4 x 10 hour days but if we are behind 
it is common to ask them to come in on Friday.  So we are not really 
giving them much notice at all.

*From:* Joshua Samuels
*Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:13 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
I'd give extra bonuses to the ones that actually showed up as required. 
Reiterate that mandatory OT is required per job hiring/employee 
handbook. Make everyone sign a note/policy moving forward.
Also make sure you give them sufficient notice if possible in the future 
moving forward so they have no excuse...at least 48 - 36 hours.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 12:06 PM  wrote:

I think we will put this verbiage in the employee handbook.
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 9:43 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
Maybe a company-wide e-mail reaffirming that you occasionally have
OT to meet production demands? Full staff is expected on those days
to meet deadlines, but that you understand that there may be prior
obligations that can't be mitigated on a short notice. Accurately
stating that you can't come in due to prior obligations is highly
appreciated. Continual inability to meet emergency OT requirements
may result in disciplinary action. Abuse of the prior obligation
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*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
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*Sent: *Friday, June 7, 2019 10:37:00 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let
them go.  But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have
mandatory OT at times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.
If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is
the time for them to say they have something planned.  But faking
sick (if indeed they are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just
not sure what the proper response should be so for now I am just
grumbling to you guys.
*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no? Would you
prefer that?
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly
choreographed schedule around a working spouse and childcare.
Occasionally it’s a religious issue about working certain days.



*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mandatory OT



We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off
day to push through a project.  Mandatory OT. 



Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more
money, here I am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and
they would rather try to convince me they are on death’s door?



Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK
fine, sorry, hope you feel better soon. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread chuck 
The notice is the thing.  We work 4 x 10 hour days but if we are behind it is 
common to ask them to come in on Friday.  So we are not really giving them much 
notice at all.  

From: Joshua Samuels 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

I'd give extra bonuses to the ones that actually showed up as required. 
Reiterate that mandatory OT is required per job hiring/employee handbook. Make 
everyone sign a note/policy moving forward. 

Also make sure you give them sufficient notice if possible in the future moving 
forward so they have no excuse...at least 48 - 36 hours.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 12:06 PM  wrote:

  I think we will put this verbiage in the employee handbook.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:43 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

  Maybe a company-wide e-mail reaffirming that you occasionally have OT to meet 
production demands? Full staff is expected on those days to meet deadlines, but 
that you understand that there may be prior obligations that can't be mitigated 
on a short notice. Accurately stating that you can't come in due to prior 
obligations is highly appreciated. Continual inability to meet emergency OT 
requirements may result in disciplinary action. Abuse of the prior obligation 
caveat may result in disciplinary action.




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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:37:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT


  Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go. 
 But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.  

  If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time 
for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they 
are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper 
response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.  

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

  What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?  

  On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed 
schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious 
issue about working certain days.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT



We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to 
push through a project.  Mandatory OT.  



Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?



Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

Grumble

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread David Hannum 
Signed, "Epstien's Mom" . . .  LOL

Dave

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:08 PM  wrote:

> I can.  But if they go to a doctor they will always get a note.  Nothing
> more than creating hassle and expense for them.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
> Can you ask for a doctor's note?  I'm not sure if that is legal or not.
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them
>> go.  But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory
>> OT at times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.
>>
>> If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the
>> time for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if
>> indeed they are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what
>> the proper response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>>
>> What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you
>> prefer that?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed
>>> schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a
>>> religious issue about working certain days.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
>>> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
>>> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
>>> convince me they are on death’s door?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine,
>>> sorry, hope you feel better soon.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread chuck 
I can.  But if they go to a doctor they will always get a note.  Nothing more 
than creating hassle and expense for them.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Can you ask for a doctor's note?  I'm not sure if that is legal or not.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

  Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go. 
 But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.  

  If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time 
for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they 
are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper 
response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.  

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

  What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?  

  On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed 
schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious 
issue about working certain days.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT



We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to 
push through a project.  Mandatory OT.  



Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?



Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

Grumble

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread chuck 
Yes, those that did show are busting their asses out there.  I would have 
grabbed a shovel and jumped into the ditch with them but I am waiting for a 
new hire to show at the office for a meet and greet.  And he is a bit vague 
as to when he will be here.


I like the idea of extra PTO.  I think I will do that.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

On 6/7/19 8:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time 
for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed 
they are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the 
proper response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.


Yeah if they didn't say anything and figured they'd just give you the
finger by calling in sick or no-show that'd piss me off too. If there's
a conflict then grow a pair and say something, or only work part of the
day or something.

Did the people that did show up have to work harder to make up for the
lack of those that skipped out? I would try to figure out a way to
reward those that do show up. Extra vacation days? Extra PTO? Take the
amount you would have paid everyone who called in sick and divide it up
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread chuck 
I think we will put this verbiage in the employee handbook.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

Maybe a company-wide e-mail reaffirming that you occasionally have OT to meet 
production demands? Full staff is expected on those days to meet deadlines, but 
that you understand that there may be prior obligations that can't be mitigated 
on a short notice. Accurately stating that you can't come in due to prior 
obligations is highly appreciated. Continual inability to meet emergency OT 
requirements may result in disciplinary action. Abuse of the prior obligation 
caveat may result in disciplinary action.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:37:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT


Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go.  
But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.  

If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time for 
them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they are 
faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper response 
should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?  

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed 
schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious 
issue about working certain days.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT



  We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.  



  Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?



  Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

  Grumble

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Jason McKemie 
Can you ask for a doctor's note?  I'm not sure if that is legal or not.

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

> Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them
> go.  But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory
> OT at times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.
>
> If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time
> for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed
> they are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the
> proper response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
> What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you
> prefer that?
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed
>> schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a
>> religious issue about working certain days.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>>
>>
>>
>> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
>> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>>
>>
>>
>> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
>> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
>> convince me they are on death’s door?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry,
>> hope you feel better soon.
>>
>> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 6/7/19 8:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the 
time for them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if 
indeed they are faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what 
the proper response should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.


Yeah if they didn't say anything and figured they'd just give you the 
finger by calling in sick or no-show that'd piss me off too. If there's 
a conflict then grow a pair and say something, or only work part of the 
day or something.


Did the people that did show up have to work harder to make up for the 
lack of those that skipped out? I would try to figure out a way to 
reward those that do show up. Extra vacation days? Extra PTO? Take the 
amount you would have paid everyone who called in sick and divide it up 
as a bonus?


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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Jon Langeler 
We know exactly what your talking about. We might be workaholics also...not 
sure. My wife reminded me I'm a millennial the other day and I was bummed out 
for a while 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:18 AM,   wrote:
> 
> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
> through a project.  Mandatory OT. 
>  
> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
> offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
> convince me they are on death’s door?
>  
> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
> hope you feel better soon. 
> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Mike Hammett 
Maybe a company-wide e-mail reaffirming that you occasionally have OT to meet 
production demands? Full staff is expected on those days to meet deadlines, but 
that you understand that there may be prior obligations that can't be mitigated 
on a short notice. Accurately stating that you can't come in due to prior 
obligations is highly appreciated. Continual inability to meet emergency OT 
requirements may result in disciplinary action. Abuse of the prior obligation 
caveat may result in disciplinary action. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:37:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT 




Not sure. As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go. 
But normally I would let them go. Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times. It was made known to them at the time of hire. 

If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time for 
them to say they have something planned. But faking sick (if indeed they are 
faking) is not going to work for me. Just not sure what the proper response 
should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys. 




From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT 



What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no? Would you prefer 
that? 


On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Some people have a second job or classes. Or a tightly choreographed schedule 
around a working spouse and childcare. Occasionally it’s a religious issue 
about working certain days. 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT 




We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project. Mandatory OT. 



Half the crew called in sick. These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door? 



Not sure where to draw the line. If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, hope 
you feel better soon. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread chuck 
Not sure.  As tight as the job market is I would be reluctant to let them go.  
But normally I would let them go.  Service industries have mandatory OT at 
times.  It was made known to them at the time of hire.  

If they were told the day before that the next day is OT, that is the time for 
them to say they have something planned.  But faking sick (if indeed they are 
faking) is not going to work for me.  Just not sure what the proper response 
should be so for now I am just grumbling to you guys.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you prefer 
that?  

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed 
schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious 
issue about working certain days.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT



  We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.  



  Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?



  Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, 
hope you feel better soon.  

  Grumble

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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Carl Peterson 
What if rather then calling in sick they just told you no?  Would you
prefer that?

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:26 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed
> schedule around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a
> religious issue about working certain days.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mandatory OT
>
>
>
> We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to
> push through a project.  Mandatory OT.
>
>
>
> Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I
> am offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to
> convince me they are on death’s door?
>
>
>
> Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry,
> hope you feel better soon.
>
> Grumble
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Re: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

2019-06-07 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Some people have a second job or classes.  Or a tightly choreographed schedule 
around a working spouse and childcare.  Occasionally it’s a religious issue 
about working certain days.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mandatory OT

 

We had a situation where we needed everyone to show up on an off day to push 
through a project.  Mandatory OT.  

 

Half the crew called in sick.  These young folks want more money, here I am 
offering them 10 hours of time and a half, and they would rather try to 
convince me they are on death’s door?

 

Not sure where to draw the line.  If they are truly sick, OK fine, sorry, hope 
you feel better soon.  

Grumble

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