Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
punji sticks... On 01/04/2019 02:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food. Rice and beans are cheap. 5 gal buckets. Store a year’s worth really easy. Water will be the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice. I have solar that pumps my water now. My house is foam/concrete. It really never gets super cold in the basement. I can move into my theater room and survive nicely without extra heat. Beans and rice will eventually get soft in cold water. Toilet paper would be my next big concern. I have plenty of books. I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my balcony. Land mines anyone? *From:* justsumname *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and added them to my 'prepper' stash. (disclaimer: a real prepper would call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics). Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage". I own a gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas. Either way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station. And it seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE. It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid. Or something. And maybe have an outlet to spare. Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only for a day+ with "no sun". I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby). It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just doesn't seem right. Living without any electrical power will be quite an adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next. --- On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM wrote: No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD costs you a lot of runtime. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. *From:*Adam Moffett *Sent:*Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM *To:*af@af.afmug.com ____ *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Yeah that math checks out. The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too. On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote: I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
You will need a snackbot to bring you snacks. https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/4/18168213/pepsico-robot-snacks-hello-goodness-university-pacific Better put two in your bunker, so you have spare parts if one breaks. And retrain them to bring you rice and beans. And toilet paper. Or books. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:56 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? On 1/4/19 14:18, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > I have solar that pumps my water now. My house is foam/concrete. It > really never gets super cold in the basement. I can move into my > theater room and survive nicely without extra heat. Beans and rice > will eventually get soft in cold water. Toilet paper would be my next > big concern. I have plenty of books. Was is it the Romans that did a personal sponge on a stick method? Or three seashells. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
On 1/4/19 14:18, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I have solar that pumps my water now. My house is foam/concrete. It really never gets super cold in the basement. I can move into my theater room and survive nicely without extra heat. Beans and rice will eventually get soft in cold water. Toilet paper would be my next big concern. I have plenty of books. Was is it the Romans that did a personal sponge on a stick method? Or three seashells. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Brings to mind the scene in Blazing Saddles where they are sitting around the campfire eating beans. From: AF On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 4:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Get a 50 gallon barrel full of something like these for your TP prepper needs: https://www.amazon.com/Towel-Durable-Tube-Packaging-Pieces/dp/B005JWQY40 On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:18 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food. Rice and beans are cheap. 5 gal buckets. Store a year’s worth really easy. Water will be the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice. I have solar that pumps my water now. My house is foam/concrete. It really never gets super cold in the basement. I can move into my theater room and survive nicely without extra heat. Beans and rice will eventually get soft in cold water. Toilet paper would be my next big concern. I have plenty of books. I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my balcony. Land mines anyone? From: justsumname Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and added them to my 'prepper' stash. (disclaimer: a real prepper would call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics). Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage". I own a gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas. Either way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station. And it seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE. It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid. Or something. And maybe have an outlet to spare. Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only for a day+ with "no sun". I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby). It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just doesn't seem right. Living without any electrical power will be quite an adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next. --- On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD costs you a lot of runtime. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Yeah that math checks out. The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Get a 50 gallon barrel full of something like these for your TP prepper needs: https://www.amazon.com/Towel-Durable-Tube-Packaging-Pieces/dp/B005JWQY40 > On Jan 4, 2019, at 3:18 PM, wrote: > > If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food. Rice and > beans are cheap. 5 gal buckets. Store a year’s worth really easy. Water > will be the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice. > I have solar that pumps my water now. My house is foam/concrete. It really > never gets super cold in the basement. I can move into my theater room and > survive nicely without extra heat. Beans and rice will eventually get soft > in cold water. Toilet paper would be my next big concern. I have plenty of > books. > > I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my > balcony. > Land mines anyone? > > From: justsumname <> > Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a > glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! > > I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and > added them to my 'prepper' stash. (disclaimer: a real prepper would call > me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics). > > Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far > enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage". I own a gasoline > generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose > 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas. Either way, I won't > be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station. And it seems awfully damn > handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE. It's much > too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh > ... the freezer and fridge off the grid. Or something. And maybe have an > outlet to spare. > > Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts > according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this > time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only > for a day+ with "no sun". I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM > charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and > charger and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest > charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby). > > It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just > doesn't seem right. Living without any electrical power will be quite an > adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric > saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just > live long enough to see what comes next. > > --- > > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM > wrote: >> No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. >> >> From: Ken Hohhof <> >> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM >> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? >> >> I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where >> the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD >> costs you a lot of runtime. >> >> From: AF > On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <> >> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? >> >> Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent >> outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks >> as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I >> had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. >> >> From: Adam Moffett >> >> Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM >> >> To: af@af.afmug.com <> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? >> >> >> Yeah that math checks out. >> >> The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I >> also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might >> not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, >> but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I >> actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add >> another device or the batteries don't age well. >> >> So I
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If the sh*t really hits the fan, better already have your food. Rice and beans are cheap. 5 gal buckets. Store a year’s worth really easy. Water will be the #1 concern, then guns to protect your beans and rice. I have solar that pumps my water now. My house is foam/concrete. It really never gets super cold in the basement. I can move into my theater room and survive nicely without extra heat. Beans and rice will eventually get soft in cold water. Toilet paper would be my next big concern. I have plenty of books. I guess I need some more TP and a tripod mounted 50 cal machine gun for my balcony. Land mines anyone? From: justsumname Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and added them to my 'prepper' stash. (disclaimer: a real prepper would call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics). Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage". I own a gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas. Either way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station. And it seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE. It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid. Or something. And maybe have an outlet to spare. Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only for a day+ with "no sun". I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby). It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just doesn't seem right. Living without any electrical power will be quite an adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next. --- On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM wrote: No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD costs you a lot of runtime. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Yeah that math checks out. The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too. On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote: I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? Thanks ...that is
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Thief Lol Sent from my smartphone - Reply message - From: "justsumname" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Date: Fri, Jan 4, 2019 1:39 PM I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs. Does that mean it's showing a 74watt device? Which means what . 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? Thanks ...that is all. -- On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: I thought ya'll broke my email :) - Original Message - From: David Coudron To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Just waiting for someone to start the next volley Happy New Year everyone. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol Sent from my smartphone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug..com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
oh if only I were doing something as exciting as building a tower site in a glacier on top a big mountain in Utah...! I just happened across a 'deal' on 4 12v 100aH AGMs (Universal Battery) and added them to my 'prepper' stash. (disclaimer: a real prepper would call me a beginner or a moron, depending upon my politics). Having successfully survived this long, I have made it down my list far enough to "get prepared for more than a few days outage". I own a gasoline generator and I've never used it, but, if the sun burps wrong and we lose 'the grid' forever, "we" will eventually run outta gas. Either way, I won't be runnin-and-gunnin' my way to the gas station. And it seems awfully damn handy to have at least SOME electricity when the world has NONE. It's much too pricey to put the entire house "off grid", but maybe I could put ... oh ... the freezer and fridge off the grid. Or something. And maybe have an outlet to spare. Turns out, my 2017 freezer and 2012 fridge together use an average of 74watts according to the KillAWatt gadget (which is in series with grid power at this time).It's rather depressing that my 4 batts will power those two only for a day+ with "no sun". I own a 100w mono panel and a cheapo eBay PWM charge controller, but I've been going mental trying to pick an inverter and charger and it sounds like I need more panels and possibly the smartest charge controller I can find (probably not MPPT as I gots no trees nearby). It would be much less expensive to just go ahead and die, but that just doesn't seem right. Living without any electrical power will be quite an adjustment, but if I can hunt food and store it, cut and burn wood (electric saw) and collect rainwater (and clean it up)... this computer nerd might just live long enough to see what comes next. --- On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:28 PM wrote: > No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where > the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD > costs you a lot of runtime. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent > outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks > as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad > I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. > > > > *From:* Adam Moffett > > *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > Yeah that math checks out. > > The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I > also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they > might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get > discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the > runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even > if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. > > So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I > know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some > people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the > batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is > more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid > perspective too. > > On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote: > > I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need > a 'reality check', ... I think. > > > > So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing > a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? > > Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for > something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? > > > > Thanks ...that is all. > > -- > > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller < > par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > > > > > > I thought ya'll broke my email :) > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* David Coudron > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > Just waiting for someone to start the next volley > &
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No but it can totally shut you out of accessing the system. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 1:19 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD costs you a lot of runtime. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Yeah that math checks out. The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too. On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote: I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? Thanks ...that is all. -- On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: I thought ya'll broke my email :) - Original Message - From: David Coudron To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Just waiting for someone to start the next volley Happy New Year everyone. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol Sent from my smartphone -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I find once the battery voltage gets to 10.5 volts or whatever it is where the LVD kicks in, it starts dropping pretty fast. So I don’t think the LVD costs you a lot of runtime. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Yeah that math checks out. The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too. On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote: I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? Thanks ...that is all. -- On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: I thought ya'll broke my email :) - Original Message - From: David Coudron To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Just waiting for someone to start the next volley Happy New Year everyone. Regards, David Coudron From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol Sent from my smartphone _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Not a fan of LVD. If the site is terribly remote and there are frequent outages then an LVD will make your batts last longer. But it still sucks as a solution. Buy a generator instead of an LVD. I have never been glad I had an LVD in the sites where I had LVDs. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 12:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Yeah that math checks out. The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well. So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid perspective too. On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote: I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? Thanks ...that is all. -- On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: I thought ya'll broke my email :) - Original Message - From: David Coudron To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Just waiting for someone to start the next volley Happy New Year everyone. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol Sent from my smartphone -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Except he has 4 batteries, so he has 4800 whr
They could be in parallel on a 12v system or in series on a 48v system
or a combination of series/parallel on a 24v system, but it's 4800
watt-hours either way.
On 1/4/2019 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Yes to the first part.
The second part is a bit more difficult to answer. If your equipment
was 12v and the batteries are 12v you'd get your 32 hours. Batteries
are 1200 whr and load is 74 watts so more like 16 hours. If your load
is 24v your regulator/battery wiring will change that math. If you're
taking that power with an inverter you're destroying the run time.
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:40 PM justsumname <mailto:unixday...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I
just need a 'reality check', ... I think.
So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs. Does that mean it's
showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs
per day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it
for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?
Thanks ...that is all.
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mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
I thought ya'll broke my email :)
- Original Message -
*From:* David Coudron <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Just waiting for someone to start the next volley
Happy New Year everyone.
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay
Fuller
*Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Did everyone find something better to do than post here
today? Lol
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Yeah that math checks out.
The devices I have with LVD stop me at 80% depth of discharge though. I
also assume that batteries will get weaker over timeI realize they
might not if they're stored in perfect climate control and never get
discharged, but I *assume* they do get weaker. So I build for twice the
runtime I actually want, knowing I'll actually get the runtime I want
even if we add another device or the batteries don't age well.
So I would consider that a 26 hour system, and in the back of my head I
know I'd really get 52 hours out of it at the day of installation. Some
people (McCown I think) have advised to put the load directly on the
batteries or otherwise disable/bypass the LVD function because downtime
is more expensive than damaging their batteriesand that's a valid
perspective too.
On 1/4/2019 2:39 PM, justsumname wrote:
I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just
need a 'reality check', ... I think.
So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs. Does that mean it's
showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per
day?
Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for
something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level?
Thanks ...that is all.
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
I thought ya'll broke my email :)
- Original Message -
*From:* David Coudron <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Just waiting for someone to start the next volley
Happy New Year everyone.
Regards,
David Coudron
*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Did everyone find something better to do than post here today?
Lol
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Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
Yes to the first part. The second part is a bit more difficult to answer. If your equipment was 12v and the batteries are 12v you'd get your 32 hours. Batteries are 1200 whr and load is 74 watts so more like 16 hours. If your load is 24v your regulator/battery wiring will change that math. If you're taking that power with an inverter you're destroying the run time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:40 PM justsumname wrote: > I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need > a 'reality check', ... I think. > > So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing > a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? > Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for > something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? > > Thanks ...that is all. > -- > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller < > par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > >> >> >> I thought ya'll broke my email :) >> >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* David Coudron >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? >> >> Just waiting for someone to start the next volley >> >> >> >> Happy New Year everyone. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> David Coudron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there? >> >> >> >> >> >> Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol >> >> >> >> Sent from my smartphone >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
I'll hijack this thread for something barely worth a thread. I just need a 'reality check', ... I think. So my Kill-a-Watt says 24KwH over 324 hrs.Does that mean it's showing a 74watt device? Which means what 1800-ish watt-hrs per day? Which means that my 12v-100aH times 4 AGM batteries will power it for something like 32 hours stopping at a 50% discharge level? Thanks ...that is all. -- On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 12:20 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > > I thought ya'll broke my email :) > > > - Original Message - > *From:* David Coudron > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > Just waiting for someone to start the next volley > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller > *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > > > Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol > > > > Sent from my smartphone > > > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there?
I thought ya'll broke my email :) - Original Message - From: David Coudron To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Just waiting for someone to start the next volley Happy New Year everyone. Regards, David Coudron From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol Sent from my smartphone -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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One of my favs: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_biVuYFlfreo/S-2DpFWlsXI/BRM/BEXorx0l7cA/s1600/Why+do+people+slow+down.jpg On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 9:32 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > > https://www.gocomics.com/comics/lists/1715187/calvin-and-hobbes-new-years-resolutions > > > > https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/12/29 > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *David Coudron > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > Just waiting for someone to start the next volley > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller > *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > > > Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol > > > > Sent from my smartphone > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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https://www.gocomics.com/comics/lists/1715187/calvin-and-hobbes-new-years-resolutions https://www.gocomics.com/nancy/2018/12/29 From: AF On Behalf Of David Coudron Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Just waiting for someone to start the next volley Happy New Year everyone. Regards, David Coudron From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Y'all out there? Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol Sent from my smartphone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I hope so. On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 6:26 AM David Coudron wrote: > Just waiting for someone to start the next volley > > > > Happy New Year everyone. > > > > Regards, > > > > David Coudron > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * CBB - Jay Fuller > *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:00 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Y'all out there? > > > > > > Did everyone find something better to do than post here today? Lol > > > > Sent from my smartphone > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
