date:20160109

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

2016-01-09 Thread Ken Hohhof

Well, you want to know in case Kim Kardashian breaks the Internet again.
#BreakTheInternet

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

And to think i might have missed something.
i caught CNN reporting on el chapo at lunch briefly, couldn't hear the audio.
oh well.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 8:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  It's the 24x7 news cycle. When you live in a relatively boring world, and the 
news cycle MUST go on, you can run out of real stories after a a couple of 
hours, What the heck are you going to do with the other 22? I know, run this 
sex with a lobbyist story!

  Yeah! That's a great idea!

  Oh, and cat videos. Oh yeah!

bp

On 1/8/2016 4:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

News is out of control today.  Missouri wants to make sex with a lobbyist 
reportable as a gift.  Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan temple.  Man arrested 
for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog.  Segway shows robot hoverboard.  And isn’t 
“passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Read that.

Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the 
Philadelphia cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about 
punks getting shot in the butt.

Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make me 
doubt his motivation was religious:

“Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded 
guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He 
was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he 
was found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

Ha

On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

  On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

2016-01-09 Thread Tim Reichhart

Simple answer is no but if you have skype message this guy: marrdonmiller also 
they have cloud setup but you have to peer with them down there in tampa fl to 
get there streaming live stuff.

-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/08/16 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Have they actually given you the name of _any_ of their customers?

ryan

On 1/8/16 10:22 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

stay way from matrixstream because I have been in talks with them for few weeks 
again and they wont talk to small wisps they are into larger telcos and they 
are only at 40 channels and they dont have any local channels and if you want 
to add local channels you have to get retransmission's rights and they said I 
would have to spend 24k just to do this then you have to have 75k to 100k 
servers from them to do this. I am also in talks with somebody local who does 
IPTV they said they can do standard IPTV with 3meg and HD with 6megs with vlan 
setup.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/07/16 09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

Not realchoice.

MatrixStream. Do you have a MatrixStream IPTV system working that I can see?

ryan

On 1/7/16 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Oh, I will gladly take your $5K...
Realchoice really does work and it is the solution. Transport is an issue.
And I am leaning on them to add a feature. 

  From: D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MatrixStream IPTV

 I offered $5000 to them to show me ANYONE with a working system that I could 
look at ANYWHERE or just talk to. NOTHING.

Aaron? STILL contacts me over 5 years after I originally inquired on this 
system/device.

I stopped by 2 of their offices in San Francisco about 2 years ago. One was a 
Regus building and the other was a cheap tilt-up building.

The Regus reception said there was no one of that company in her records. She 
may have been trained to say that.

The tilt up building in S. San Francisco had a few people in it that tried 
selling me odd LED keychains and other Chinese 'new to market' items.

One of the folks in the back carried out a matrixstream device covered in dust. 
They did not know what it was for or what it did. We plugged it into the TV 
with no response. We opened the device. It was pretty much a plastic shell.

Not impressed. RUN.

And yes, you have to negotiate all your media / retransmit contracts.

ryan

On 1/7/16 3:31 PM, Josh Corson wrote:

Anyone ever use them? I've looked into this in the past but wasn't sure if they 
provided the content or if we had to do all the legwork and then use their 
pretty little boxes..

https://www.matrixstream.com/

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Operations Manager
BlueBit Networks
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[AFMUG] Jason Pond and Grizzly Internet

2016-01-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Since Jason probably won't post this, I'll do it for him!  I'll never forget a 
elevator ride with him a few years ago at Wispapalooza.  He told me that he had 
just about reached the end his rope with his WISP, and that his wife had 
encouraged him to come to the show.  After Fiber Weekend and the rest of the 
show he was completely fired up to build his business again!  This merger and 
his continuing fiber work are a direct outgrowth of that!  He's a great guy and 
I'm proud to call him my friend!

http://m.westyellowstonenews.com/mobile/news/article_99753158-b598-11e5-bfb4-c37d3631d05c.html

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

Re: [AFMUG] Always have a spare

2016-01-09 Thread Lewis Bergman

I looked at buying ten of those at a time to resell them. They packed ten
in one container.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016, 6:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

>

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

Yeah, that is always a problem.  The more assembly you do during fabrication, 
the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, the more expensive 
packing is etc etc.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never 
liked how long they took to put together.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.  

  If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

  Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

  I dunno, any ideas?

[AFMUG] CYCLONE 900 MHZ HORIZONTALLY POLARIZED OMNI ANTENNA WITH 9.2DBI GAIN (CYCLONE 900-360H-ANT)

2016-01-09 Thread Justin Aldridge

i have 8 of these CYCLONE 900 MHZ HORIZONTALLY POLARIZED OMNI ANTENNA WITH 
9.2DBI GAIN (CYCLONE 900-360H-ANT) any interest hit me off list.

-- 
Justin Aldridge 
Total Highspeed
417-300-3534

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Rory Conaway

We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up 
to 3” pipes.  At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 
2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks.  We put omni’s on top of them.  
Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we 
could really use 10 degrees.  In that case, we use boards to get them close to 
level.  Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to 
adjust them.  On a level, flat roof, they are fine.  But most residential roofs 
have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to 
work with.

My suggestion is a heavier duty base  with some way to adjust the pitch on the 
pole by up to 10 degrees or more.

Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates 
it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak 
mounts.

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

Everything I do is HDG.  
What mast sizes would be preferred?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

Two things.

The one you mentioned about being switchable between flat and peaked roofs.

The second thing would be HDG. Almost every one of the "economy" ones I've seen 
start rusting to pieces after a couple of years.

Maybe an easy way to change the mast size would be a plus. Some of the ones on 
Tessco have 10 different models just to accommodate the mast differences.

bp

On 1/9/2016 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.  

  If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

  Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

  I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your own 
mast?

I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could 
not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the design a bit.  



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on 
it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt 
serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can tilt mast as 
needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and 
by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to 
position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged.  Easy 
enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop.  I waive my 
consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that 
wall brace idea I sent you? 

On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  wrote:

  How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for 
larger & smaller setups… 


  Sincerely,
  Joshaven Potter
  Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
  Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
  supp...@joshaven.com




On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always 
resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost 
daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have 
one.  

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

No U bolts.. let me sketch it out...my English is not good.  Ha
On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM,  wrote:

> So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your
> own mast?
>
> I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably
> could not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the
> design a bit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
>
> OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with
> degrees on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw
> and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can
> tilt mast as needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate
> different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer
> screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is
> traditional or hinged.  Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a
> machine shop.  I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey
> Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you?
> On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
> wrote:
>
>> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for
>> larger & smaller setups…
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
>> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
>> presume I have one.
>>
>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
>> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
>> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>>
>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>>
>> I dunno, any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

2016-01-09 Thread Ken Hohhof

But you need to know what to tell customers when they call and ask if the 
Internet is broken.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

I honestly could care less. :)   I think i vaguely know who she is... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Well, you want to know in case Kim Kardashian breaks the Internet again.
  #BreakTheInternet

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  And to think i might have missed something.
  i caught CNN reporting on el chapo at lunch briefly, couldn't hear the audio.
  oh well.

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Prince 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

It's the 24x7 news cycle. When you live in a relatively boring world, and 
the news cycle MUST go on, you can run out of real stories after a a couple of 
hours, What the heck are you going to do with the other 22? I know, run this 
sex with a lobbyist story!

Yeah! That's a great idea!

Oh, and cat videos. Oh yeah!

bp

On 1/8/2016 4:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  News is out of control today.  Missouri wants to make sex with a lobbyist 
reportable as a gift.  Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan temple.  Man arrested 
for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog.  Segway shows robot hoverboard.  And isn’t 
“passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Read that.

  Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the 
Philadelphia cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about 
punks getting shot in the butt.

  Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make 
me doubt his motivation was religious:

  “Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded 
guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He 
was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he 
was found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Ha

  On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Yes, they are a pain to align. Our recent experience in aligning the Metrolinq 
(beta/test) unit confirms that. 
Even though they provided us with scopes to assist. bit it still required a lot 
of patience and very slow fine adjustments. 

As to the band becoming a commodity, that is the best part about this band. 
Since 60ghz-80ghz don't go far, pencil thin beam width and the signals 
attenuate with distance (oxygen absorption) , an angular separation of 5-10deg 
and or separation of a few feet or so, allows for channel reuse. Plus there is 
a large swath of spectrum available. All of these features, make them an ideal 
choice for short distance fat pipe deployment. Don't expect 60ghz to go thru 
anything, such a walls, have not tested Glass...so they all need a good LOS. 
(the beamforming, self steering antennas in consumer devices for this band 
become very important ). 

I am excited to see the new chip set developments, which is making new products 
in this band at a very different price point possible. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:39:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

> I have installed Bridgewave and Siklu ptp links and they are tougher to
> align...but once done , they are fast. This band will soon be a commodity
> On Jan 9, 2016 11:10 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> For those with inquiring minds !

>> http://www.perasotech.com/

>> http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ

>> Regards

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

>> > I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.

>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Stefan Englhardt
>> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

>> > Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset so 
>> > you
>> > will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
>> > Just starting.

>> > -Ursprï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
>> > Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
>> > Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
>> > An: af@afmug.com
>> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

>> > Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?

>> > Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps? So you can watch 200
>> >> of them at once!
>> >> And notice it only has gigabit ports. Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
>> >> one
>> >> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired? Maybe this is for the person who has
>> >> their own media server in their house (but hates wires). It had
>> >> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
>> >> to penetrate walls very wall.
>> >> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
>> >> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
>> >> sort of thin client. Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
>> >> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
>> >> Chromecast concept.
>> >> *From:* Bill Prince 
>> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
>> >> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
>> >> funny!

>> >> Interesting statement:

>> >> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
>> >> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
>> >> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
>> >> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
>> >> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
>> >> problem.

>> >> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...


>> >> bp
>> >> 

>> >> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
>> >>> ï¿½
>> >>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
>> >>> -almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Nate Burke

There are usually only 2 types of NonPen's that we use, either a 6' mast 
sturdy enough to put a reflector dish on (Flat roof that has a 4' 
kneewall around the roof, very common in our area) or something in the 
20-30' range.  We don't usually have a need for something in between.


Definitely have the need to slightly level the mount in some way.

It would also be really cool to come up with a way to get ballast to the 
roof.  Maybe a smaller and lighter version of one of these that only 
needs to do 40 or 50lb at a time. 
http://www.garlockequip.com/garlock-hand-power-hoist-300-lb/  Run a 
Garden hose up to fill up some plastic water tanks for the ballast.   
Obviously, this would only be used when you need to lift more than like 
10 blocks to the roof.  Bonus points if you could hook a drill up to it 
to make it a powered lift.



On 1/9/2016 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a 
non-standard size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top.

http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html
Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that 
take J-pipes.

http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply 
your own mast?
I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, 
probably could not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played 
with the design a bit.

*From:* Jaime Solorza 
*Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with 
degrees on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The 
screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now 
you can tilt mast as needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to 
accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method 
but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work 
whether support base is traditional or hinged.  Easy enough to make 
telescoping arms if you have a machine shop.  I waive my consulting 
fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that 
wall brace idea I sent you?


On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" > wrote:


How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it
work for larger & smaller setups…
Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 
supp...@joshaven.com 



On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have
always resisted because there are a ton of them out there
already.  But I get almost daily searches for this term on my
website.  It appears folks presume I have one.
If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be
locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts.
Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using
greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha.  Just add a O to ending...I promise not to laugh at your dancing if you
don't laugh at my English.
On Jan 9, 2016 12:06 PM,  wrote:

>
> http://www.nytimes.com/video/movies/10003393598/the-mexican-scene-i-need-a-lift-in-your-el-trucko.html
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
>
> No U bolts.. let me sketch it out...my English is not good.  Ha
> On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM,  wrote:
>
>> So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your
>> own mast?
>>
>> I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably
>> could not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the
>> design a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>>
>>
>> OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with
>> degrees on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw
>> and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can
>> tilt mast as needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate
>> different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer
>> screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is
>> traditional or hinged.  Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a
>> machine shop.  I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey
>> Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you?
>> On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for
>>> larger & smaller setups…
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Joshaven Potter
>>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
>>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
>>> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
>>> presume I have one.
>>>
>>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
>>> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
>>> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>>>
>>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
>>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>>>
>>> I dunno, any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

Should not be a problem.  Thanks

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:27 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

Che kit out see Holmes...orale 

On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM,  wrote:

  So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your own 
mast?

  I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably 
could not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the design a 
bit.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

  OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees 
on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt 
serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can tilt mast as 
needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and 
by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to 
position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged.  Easy 
enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop.  I waive my 
consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that 
wall brace idea I sent you? 

  On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  wrote:

How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for 
larger & smaller setups… 

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com

  On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always 
resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost 
daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have 
one.  

  If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

  Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

  I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

You can get ideas from Ronards web pages
On Jan 9, 2016 2:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’ll have to take a picture of one at my office.  The ones we bought on
> Amazon have a four bolt ring at the top that is the same as the old 3’
> Tripods we used to buy at Radio Shack.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
>
>
> Is the 36 inch square base large enough?
>
> Adjustment is easy to add.
>
>
>
> Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast?
> Not sure I am familiar with that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
>
>
> We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can
> handle up to 3” pipes.  At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center
> sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks.  We put
> omni’s on top of them.  Our complaint with them is that they don’t have
> enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees.  In that case,
> we use boards to get them close to level.  Then we run into flimsy bottoms
> that flex and bend when you try to adjust them.  On a level, flat roof,
> they are fine.  But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water
> runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with.
>
>
>
> My suggestion is a heavier duty base  with some way to adjust the pitch on
> the pole by up to 10 degrees or more.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
>
>
> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
> presume I have one.
>
>
>
> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>
>
>
> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>
>
>
> I dunno, any ideas?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Mike Hammett

My favorite ones are the ones Baltic sells. They can accommodate flat or 
pitched roofs. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:05:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts 




I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. 

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates 
it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak 
mounts. 

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. 

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Lewis Bergman

Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never
liked how long they took to put together.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
> presume I have one.
>
> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>
> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>
> I dunno, any ideas?
>

[AFMUG] MTI Omni Antenna, 5.725-5.875GHz

2016-01-09 Thread Justin Aldridge

i have 8 MTI Omni Antenna, 5.725-5.875GHz, any interest hit me off list. 

-- 
Justin Aldridge 
Total Highspeed
417-300-3534

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-09 Thread Keefe John


Think Ubiquiti will come out with a 60 ghz PTMP Airmax AD solution?

On 1/9/2016 12:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

For those with inquiring minds !

http://www.perasotech.com/

http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ

Regards



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.

-Original Message-
From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset so you
will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
Just starting.

-Ursprï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?

Ken Hohhof wrote:

And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200
of them at once!
And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
one
SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has
their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had
better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
to penetrate walls very wall.
Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
Chromecast concept.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
funny!

Interesting statement:

 Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
 consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
 new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
 problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...


bp


On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
ï¿½
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Rory Conaway

I’ll have to take a picture of one at my office.  The ones we bought on Amazon 
have a four bolt ring at the top that is the same as the old 3’ Tripods we used 
to buy at Radio Shack.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

Is the 36 inch square base large enough?
Adjustment is easy to add.

Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast?  Not 
sure I am familiar with that.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up 
to 3” pipes.  At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 
2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks.  We put omni’s on top of them.  
Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we 
could really use 10 degrees.  In that case, we use boards to get them close to 
level.  Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to 
adjust them.  On a level, flat roof, they are fine.  But most residential roofs 
have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to 
work with.

My suggestion is a heavier duty base  with some way to adjust the pitch on the 
pole by up to 10 degrees or more.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates 
it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak 
mounts.

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Mike Hammett

Sand bags will deteriorate over time, leaving you with a pile of sand for 
ballast. Not so good when it actually gets some leverage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "jay weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:40:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts 


Who doesn't love carrying 50 pound sand bags up a ladder to the second floor? 
Over and over. 



On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 



There are usually only 2 types of NonPen's that we use, either a 6' mast sturdy 
enough to put a reflector dish on (Flat roof that has a 4' kneewall around the 
roof, very common in our area) or something in the 20-30' range. We don't 
usually have a need for something in between. 

Definitely have the need to slightly level the mount in some way. 

It would also be really cool to come up with a way to get ballast to the roof. 
Maybe a smaller and lighter version of one of these that only needs to do 40 or 
50lb at a time. http://www.garlockequip.com/garlock-hand-power-hoist-300-lb/ 
Run a Garden hose up to fill up some plastic water tanks for the ballast. 
Obviously, this would only be used when you need to lift more than like 10 
blocks to the roof. Bonus points if you could hook a drill up to it to make it 
a powered lift. 



On 1/9/2016 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 





There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a non-standard 
size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top. 
http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html
 

Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take 
J-pipes. 
http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html 





From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts 




So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own 
mast? 

I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could 
not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. 






From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts 


OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on 
it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves 
two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. 
The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using 
same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This 
will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make 
telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the 
good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent 
you? 
On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" < lis...@joshaven.com > 
wrote: 



How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger 
& smaller setups… 







Sincerely, 
Joshaven Potter 
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 
supp...@joshaven.com 






On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 





I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. 

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates 
it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak 
mounts. 

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. 

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-09 Thread Chuck McCown

I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.

-Original Message- 
From: Stefan Englhardt

Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset so you 
will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.

Just starting.

-Ursprï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?

Ken Hohhof wrote:

And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200
of them at once!
And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
one
SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has
their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had
better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
to penetrate walls very wall.
Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
Chromecast concept.
*From:* Bill Prince 
*Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
funny!

Interesting statement:

Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
problem.

Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...

bp

On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
ï¿½
http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
-almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] Always have a spare

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

The cab is tiny...saw one for sale in Clint
On Jan 9, 2016 7:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I looked at buying ten of those at a time to resell them. They packed ten
> in one container.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016, 6:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

For those with inquiring minds !

http://www.perasotech.com/

http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ

Regards



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

> I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stefan Englhardt
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
> 
> Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset so you
> will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
> Just starting.
> 
> -Ursprï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
> Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
> 
> Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?
> 
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200
>> of them at once!
>> And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
>> one
>> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has
>> their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had
>> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
>> to penetrate walls very wall.
>> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
>> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
>> sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
>> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
>> Chromecast concept.
>> *From:* Bill Prince 
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
>> funny!
>>
>> Interesting statement:
>>
>> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
>> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
>> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
>> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
>> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
>> problem.
>>
>> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7 Gbps...
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
>>> ï¿½
>>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
>>> -almo-1749163152

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

Hmmm, modular expandability.  I like that.  

From: Joshaven Mailing Lists 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger 
& smaller setups… 

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com

  On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.  

  If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

  Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

  I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

I have installed Bridgewave and Siklu ptp links and they are tougher to
align...but once done , they are fast.   This band will soon be a
commodity
On Jan 9, 2016 11:10 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> For those with inquiring minds !
>
> http://www.perasotech.com/
>
>
> http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Chuck McCown" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>
> > I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stefan Englhardt
> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
> >
> > Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset so
> you
> > will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
> > Just starting.
> >
> > -Ursprï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
> > An: af@afmug.com
> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
> >
> > Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?
> >
> > Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200
> >> of them at once!
> >> And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
> >> one
> >> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has
> >> their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had
> >> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
> >> to penetrate walls very wall.
> >> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
> >> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
> >> sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
> >> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
> >> Chromecast concept.
> >> *From:* Bill Prince 
> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
> >> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
> >> funny!
> >>
> >> Interesting statement:
> >>
> >> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
> >> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
> >> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
> >> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
> >> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7
> Gbps...
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks cool.ï¿½ Price?
> >>> ï¿½
> >>> http://gizmodo.com/the-first-802-11ad-router-makes-your-wi-fi-network
> >>> -almo-1749163152
>

Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

'Cept for Bridgewave.  Same frequency on them from what I am told.  I was
the antenna mounter and alignment vato...never seen what their
configuration page looks like.
On Jan 9, 2016 12:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Yes, they are a pain to align. Our recent experience in aligning the
> Metrolinq (beta/test) unit confirms that.
> Even though they provided us with scopes to assist. bit it still required
> a lot of patience and very slow fine adjustments.
>
> As to the band becoming a commodity, that is the best part about this
> band. Since 60ghz-80ghz don't go far, pencil thin beam width and the
> signals attenuate with distance (oxygen absorption) , an angular separation
> of  5-10deg and or  separation of a few feet or so, allows for channel
> reuse. Plus there is a large swath of spectrum available.  All of these
> features, make them an ideal choice for short distance fat pipe deployment.
> Don't expect 60ghz to go thru anything, such a walls, have not tested
> Glass...so they all need a good LOS. (the beamforming, self steering
> antennas in consumer devices for this band become very important ).
>
> I am excited to see the new chip set developments, which is making new
> products in this band at a very different price point possible.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:39:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>
> I have installed Bridgewave and Siklu ptp links and they are tougher to
> align...but once done , they are fast.   This band will soon be a
> commodity
> On Jan 9, 2016 11:10 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> For those with inquiring minds !
>>
>> http://www.perasotech.com/
>>
>>
>> http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2016/01/04/peraso-wigig%C2%AE-chipset-powers-ignitenet-wireless-ptp-links#axzz3wIi9ZODJ
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:49:16 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>>
>> > I cannot imagine integrating 60 GHz on standard silicon.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Stefan Englhardt
>> > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 11:27 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>> >
>> > Some Dell Notebooks. It will be integrated into standard WIFI Chipset
>> so you
>> > will see combined 2,4/5/60GHz Chips.
>> > Just starting.
>> >
>> > -Ursprï¿½ngliche Nachricht-
>> > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jay Weekley
>> > Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 07:18
>> > An: af@afmug.com
>> > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router
>> >
>> > Are there any consumer devices that have a 60 GHz adapter?
>> >
>> > Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >> And 4K video takes what, something like 25 Mbps?  So you can watch 200
>> >> of them at once!
>> >> And notice it only has gigabit ports.  Shouldnï¿½t it have at least
>> >> one
>> >> SFP+ port for 10 gig wired?  Maybe this is for the person who has
>> >> their own media server in their house (but hates wires).  It had
>> >> better be in the same room with the router, since 60 GHz is not going
>> >> to penetrate walls very wall.
>> >> Perhaps people are going to have gaming and multimedia PCs that stream
>> >> the raw video over the home wireless network to their tablet or some
>> >> sort of thin client.  Kind of along the lines of the wireless TV
>> >> receivers you get with satellite and cable now, or an extension of the
>> >> Chromecast concept.
>> >> *From:* Bill Prince 
>> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 08, 2016 1:19 PM
>> >> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TP-Link Talon AD7200 first AD router Very
>> >> funny!
>> >>
>> >> Interesting statement:
>> >>
>> >> Thereï¿½s quite a few technical reasons as to why the jump to
>> >> 60GHz is a good thing, but the most important for the average
>> >> consumer is speed. The 5GHz band maxes out at 1,733Mbps, but the
>> >> new 60GHz band can achieve wireless transfer speeds of up to
>> >> 4,600Mbps. So streaming 4K video without a network cable? Not a
>> >> problem.
>> >>
>> >> Oh right. Like all of us have 4.6 Gbps to the home... or even 1.7
>> Gbps...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 1/8/2016 10:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >>> Well, you gotta admit, it looks

Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solarpanels

2016-01-09 Thread Chuck McCown

Almost horizontal facing down.   

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 10:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solarpanels

How much do you estimate they were tilted towards the ground, beyond vertical?  
100 degree?  115-120?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  It was accidental.  We had a strong wind storm one night, next morning the 
telemetry indicated one set of panels only putting out about half power.  Then 
we got a snow storm and the next day that one set was still putting out half 
power but the formerly good set was putting out almost nothing.

  So jumped in the 210 and took a flight down to that particular mountain top.  
Clouds obscured the tower but there were holes now and then.  I circled a bunch 
of times and shot a bunch of photos.  Got the film processed and one of the 
prints told the tale.  The set of panels that were producing  half power had 
been blown forward (these were all mounted on a tower).  They were facing the 
ground and the sunlight bouncing off the snow up into them kept them running at 
about half power.

  I always figured that if I had a site where I needed super high availability 
like if the power went out nuclear missiles would launch or somebodies iron 
lung would shut down I would put up an array like that and I would cover the 
ground with white gravel or white panels of some sort.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solarpanels

  Chuck,

  Didn't you try mounting the panels upside down one time?

bp

On 1/8/2016 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

20 years.
Styrofoam glued did not last long.  Maybe  a year or two.  But the frothpak 
foam has been there for years and years.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Expanding foam or styrofoam glued to rear of solar panels

Those of you who have done this for snow/ice buildup reasons, how are your 
panel temperatures in mid summer, and how are the panels holding up?  How many 
years has the insulation been in place?

Re: [AFMUG] Jason Pond and Grizzly Internet

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

Good for him!!!  Wish him continued success
On Jan 9, 2016 8:13 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> Since Jason probably won't post this, I'll do it for him!  I'll never
> forget a elevator ride with him a few years ago at Wispapalooza.  He told
> me that he had just about reached the end his rope with his WISP, and that
> his wife had encouraged him to come to the show.  After Fiber Weekend and
> the rest of the show he was completely fired up to build his business
> again!  This merger and his continuing fiber work are a direct outgrowth of
> that!  He's a great guy and I'm proud to call him my friend!
>
>
> http://m.westyellowstonenews.com/mobile/news/article_99753158-b598-11e5-bfb4-c37d3631d05c.html
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>

[AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Chuck McCown

I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.  

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates 
it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak 
mounts.  

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Bill Prince


Two things.

The one you mentioned about being switchable between flat and peaked roofs.

The second thing would be HDG. Almost every one of the "economy" ones 
I've seen start rusting to pieces after a couple of years.


Maybe an easy way to change the mast size would be a plus. Some of the 
ones on Tessco have 10 different models just to accommodate the mast 
differences.


bp


On 1/9/2016 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always 
resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get 
almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks 
presume I have one.
If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or 
hinged for flat or peak mounts.
Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using 
greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

Is the 36 inch square base large enough?
Adjustment is easy to add.  

Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast?  Not 
sure I am familiar with that.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up 
to 3” pipes.  At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 
2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks.  We put omni’s on top of them.  
Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we 
could really use 10 degrees.  In that case, we use boards to get them close to 
level.  Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to 
adjust them.  On a level, flat roof, they are fine.  But most residential roofs 
have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to 
work with.

My suggestion is a heavier duty base  with some way to adjust the pitch on the 
pole by up to 10 degrees or more.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one.  

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates 
it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak 
mounts.  

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

2016-01-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

hah.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  I am more interested in North Korea:
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 8:20 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Well, you want to know in case Kim Kardashian breaks the Internet again.
  #BreakTheInternet

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  And to think i might have missed something.
  i caught CNN reporting on el chapo at lunch briefly, couldn't hear the audio.
  oh well.

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Prince 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

It's the 24x7 news cycle. When you live in a relatively boring world, and 
the news cycle MUST go on, you can run out of real stories after a a couple of 
hours, What the heck are you going to do with the other 22? I know, run this 
sex with a lobbyist story!

Yeah! That's a great idea!

Oh, and cat videos. Oh yeah!

bp

On 1/8/2016 4:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  News is out of control today.  Missouri wants to make sex with a lobbyist 
reportable as a gift.  Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan temple.  Man arrested 
for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog.  Segway shows robot hoverboard.  And isn’t 
“passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Read that.

  Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the 
Philadelphia cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about 
punks getting shot in the butt.

  Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make 
me doubt his motivation was religious:

  “Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded 
guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He 
was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he 
was found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Ha

  On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

2016-01-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I honestly could care less. :)   I think i vaguely know who she is... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Well, you want to know in case Kim Kardashian breaks the Internet again.
  #BreakTheInternet

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  And to think i might have missed something.
  i caught CNN reporting on el chapo at lunch briefly, couldn't hear the audio.
  oh well.

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Prince 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

It's the 24x7 news cycle. When you live in a relatively boring world, and 
the news cycle MUST go on, you can run out of real stories after a a couple of 
hours, What the heck are you going to do with the other 22? I know, run this 
sex with a lobbyist story!

Yeah! That's a great idea!

Oh, and cat videos. Oh yeah!

bp

On 1/8/2016 4:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  News is out of control today.  Missouri wants to make sex with a lobbyist 
reportable as a gift.  Bieber gets kicked out of a Mayan temple.  Man arrested 
for plotting to kidnap Obama’s dog.  Segway shows robot hoverboard.  And isn’t 
“passenger drone” an oxymoron?

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/take-a-look-at-the-worlds-first-passenger-drone-598506563616

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 6:28 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Read that.

  Not to hijack your thread, but I liked the news report that the 
Philadelphia cop shot the guy in the butt.  I want to read more stories about 
punks getting shot in the butt.

  Oh, and buried at the bottom of the article are these items, which make 
me doubt his motivation was religious:

  “Archer was arrested in 2012 after a domestic dispute and later pleaded 
guilty to assault and carrying a gun without a license, court records show. He 
was out on probation Thursday and was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after he 
was found guilty on charges of careless driving, forgery and driving with a 
suspended or revoked license in a 2014 case.”

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:28 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 'El Chapo' caught, Mexico says - CNN.com

  Ha

  On Jan 8, 2016 4:23 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

Shoulda just put a bullet in his head and been done with it.

On 1/8/2016 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread jay weekley

I was actually conjuring ways to modify a non penetrating mount with
extensions at the corners for extra leverage recently.   Being able to buy
it versus designing it and finding someone to build it would be great.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
> presume I have one.
>
> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>
> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>
> I dunno, any ideas?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread chuck

http://www.nytimes.com/video/movies/10003393598/the-mexican-scene-i-need-a-lift-in-your-el-trucko.html

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

No U bolts.. let me sketch it out...my English is not good.  Ha 

On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM,  wrote:

  So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your own 
mast?

  I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably 
could not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the design a 
bit.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

  OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees 
on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt 
serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can tilt mast as 
needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and 
by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to 
position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged.  Easy 
enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop.  I waive my 
consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that 
wall brace idea I sent you? 

  On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  wrote:

How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for 
larger & smaller setups… 

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com

  On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always 
resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost 
daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have 
one.  

  If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

  Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

  I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Joshaven Mailing Lists

How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger 
& smaller setups…


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always resisted 
> because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost daily 
> searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have one. 
>  
> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
> for flat or peak mounts. 
>  
> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. 
>  
> I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with
degrees on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw
and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can
tilt mast as needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate
different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer
screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is
traditional or hinged.  Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a
machine shop.  I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey
Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you?
On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
wrote:

> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for
> larger & smaller setups…
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
> presume I have one.
>
> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>
> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>
> I dunno, any ideas?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Ken Hohhof

There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a non-standard 
size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top.
http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html

Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take J-pipes.
http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your own 
mast?

I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could 
not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the design a bit.  



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on 
it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt 
serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can tilt mast as 
needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and 
by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to 
position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged.  Easy 
enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop.  I waive my 
consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that 
wall brace idea I sent you? 

On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists"  wrote:

  How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for 
larger & smaller setups… 


  Sincerely,
  Joshaven Potter
  Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
  Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
  supp...@joshaven.com




On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always 
resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get almost 
daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks presume I have 
one.  

If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that 
differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged 
for flat or peak mounts.  

Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater 
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.  

I dunno, any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread jay weekley

Who doesn't love carrying 50 pound sand bags up a ladder to the second
floor? Over and over.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> There are usually only 2 types of NonPen's that we use, either a 6' mast
> sturdy enough to put a reflector dish on (Flat roof that has a 4' kneewall
> around the roof, very common in our area) or something in the 20-30'
> range.  We don't usually have a need for something in between.
>
> Definitely have the need to slightly level the mount in some way.
>
> It would also be really cool to come up with a way to get ballast to the
> roof.  Maybe a smaller and lighter version of one of these that only needs
> to do 40 or 50lb at a time.
> http://www.garlockequip.com/garlock-hand-power-hoist-300-lb/  Run a
> Garden hose up to fill up some plastic water tanks for the ballast.
> Obviously, this would only be used when you need to lift more than like 10
> blocks to the roof.  Bonus points if you could hook a drill up to it to
> make it a powered lift.
>
>
> On 1/9/2016 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a
> non-standard size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top.
>
> http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html
>
> Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take
> J-pipes.
> http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
> So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts?  Then you supply your
> own mast?
>
> I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably
> could not build it for a competitive price.  I know I played with the
> design a bit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
>
> OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with
> degrees on it.  Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw
> and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation.  So now you can
> tilt mast as needed.   The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate
> different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer
> screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is
> traditional or hinged.  Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a
> machine shop.  I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey
> Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you?
> On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" 
> wrote:
>
>> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for
>> larger & smaller setups…
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
>> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
>> presume I have one.
>>
>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
>> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
>> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>>
>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>>
>> I dunno, any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Also, forgot to mention.. 
Depending on what brand of switch you are using... check to see if the as RPS 
optional connector...
 (RPS = Redundant Power Supply, most of the mfg have a 1u unit with dual AC 
input that can power the switch via the RPS connector (which is DC) )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:31:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

> No, you cannot split AC power from two input sources in a passive manner !
> 
> here are some suggestions:-
> (These things are called Redundant power strip or Automatic Transfer Switch)
> 
> APC-SU041 or APC-SU042  (check the specs to make sure it is the right unit for
> you)
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SU041-Rackmount-Redundant-Automatic-Transfer-Switch-/291650457280?hash=item43e7b8cec0:g:4TAAAOSwsB9WDcBs
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-Redundant-Switch-Model-SU042-4-/121638358667?hash=item1c52360e8b:g:0WMAAOSwBLlVQ7GS
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:24:36 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter
> 
>> I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.
>> 
>> Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the other
>> into non-ups regular AC power.
>> 
>> I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC power
>> without interruption.
>> Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.
>> 
>> Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two AC
> > sources into one plug and fail between the sources?

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Jeremy

Just thinking out loud herehow much extra work would it be to make it
also able to be used on a peak? I mean, if you are making "one non-pen to
rule them all", it would be adjustable for pitch, pipe size, and for peaks.

https://www.talleycom.com/images/MTSRT-PM-B_big.jpg

Also, perhaps it would be able to have some type of add-on purchase which
could add a larger ballast for 3-4" pipes 10' tall. Like, if you had this
(but adjustable)
http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_JRM23855_800x600t.jpg

...with the ability to add an outer ring and make it into this:
 http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_25GBRM_800x600t.jpg

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:40 PM,  wrote:

> Yeah, that is always a problem.  The more assembly you do during
> fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is,
> the more expensive packing is etc etc.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>
> Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I
> never liked how long they took to put together.
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
>> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
>> presume I have one.
>>
>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
>> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
>> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>>
>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>>
>> I dunno, any ideas?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts

2016-01-09 Thread Jeremy

(not for a 25g in the last example.  That was just a good ballast ring
example)

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Just thinking out loud herehow much extra work would it be to make it
> also able to be used on a peak? I mean, if you are making "one non-pen to
> rule them all", it would be adjustable for pitch, pipe size, and for peaks.
>
> https://www.talleycom.com/images/MTSRT-PM-B_big.jpg
>
> Also, perhaps it would be able to have some type of add-on purchase which
> could add a larger ballast for 3-4" pipes 10' tall. Like, if you had this
> (but adjustable)
> http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_JRM23855_800x600t.jpg
>
> ...with the ability to add an outer ring and make it into this:
>  http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_25GBRM_800x600t.jpg
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:40 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that is always a problem.  The more assembly you do during
>> fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is,
>> the more expensive packing is etc etc.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
>>
>> Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I
>> never liked how long they took to put together.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount.  I have always
>>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already.  But I get
>>> almost daily searches for this term on my website.  It appears folks
>>> presume I have one.
>>>
>>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
>>> differentiates it from the rest.  Perhaps a unit that can be locked or
>>> hinged for flat or peak mounts.
>>>
>>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
>>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
>>>
>>> I dunno, any ideas?
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.

Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the other 
into non-ups regular AC power.

I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC power 
without interruption.
Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.

Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two AC 
sources into one plug and fail between the sources?

Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Josh Luthman

You can't just wire them together if that's what you're thinking.  AC isn't
that "easy".

There are products out there that enable you to do what you're talking
about - you clip them on the plug that's in the outlet and then switch it
to a battery (and vice versa).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.
>
> Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the
> other into non-ups regular AC power.
>
> I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC power
> without interruption.
> Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.
>
> Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two
> AC sources into one plug and fail between the sources?
>

Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

No, you cannot split AC power from two input sources in a passive manner !

here are some suggestions:-
(These things are called Redundant power strip or Automatic Transfer Switch)

APC-SU041 or APC-SU042  (check the specs to make sure it is the right unit for 
you)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SU041-Rackmount-Redundant-Automatic-Transfer-Switch-/291650457280?hash=item43e7b8cec0:g:4TAAAOSwsB9WDcBs

http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-Redundant-Switch-Model-SU042-4-/121638358667?hash=item1c52360e8b:g:0WMAAOSwBLlVQ7GS

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:24:36 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

> I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.
> 
> Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the other
> into non-ups regular AC power.
> 
> I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC power
> without interruption.
> Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.
> 
> Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two AC
> sources into one plug and fail between the sources?

Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Sterling Jacobson

No, I’m not that much of a power newb ☺

I’m thinking there is a ‘power strip’ that takes two AC sources, has 4-12 
outlets and automatically switches between sources.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 8:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

You can't just wire them together if that's what you're thinking.  AC isn't 
that "easy".

There are products out there that enable you to do what you're talking about - 
you clip them on the plug that's in the outlet and then switch it to a battery 
(and vice versa).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.

Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the other 
into non-ups regular AC power.

I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC power 
without interruption.
Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.

Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two AC 
sources into one plug and fail between the sources?

Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

How about this?

http://www.zonit.com/products/micro-ats/

> On Jan 9, 2016, at 8:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.
> 
> Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the other 
> into non-ups regular AC power.
> 
> I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC power 
> without interruption.
> Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.
> 
> Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two AC 
> sources into one plug and fail between the sources?

Re: [AFMUG] AC power redundancy splitter

2016-01-09 Thread Josh Luthman

WOW that's so cool!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:

> How about this?
>
> http://www.zonit.com/products/micro-ats/
>
> > On Jan 9, 2016, at 8:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have a switch I want to use, but it only has one AC power plug.
> >
> > Most of my equipment has dual power input, one plugged into UPS and the
> other into non-ups regular AC power.
> >
> > I like it that way so I can change things around with the UPS and AC
> power without interruption.
> > Plus sometimes UPS modules fail.
> >
> > Is there a Y dongle or power strip or something that I can take from two
> AC sources into one plug and fail between the sources?
>
>

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