Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

Which is why Ku band satellite stuff for two way VSAT terminals/earth
stations has been direct from feed to waveguide for a while now... You need
high quality low loss cable and special N connectors for 11 GHz.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Interesting that if I try to use the Times Microwave calculator for LMR
> cables at 11 GHz, it gives an error that the cable is not suitable for that
> frequency.  Apparently they consider the max to be 6 GHz.
>
>
> *From:* George Skorup 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> The coaxial on an 11GHz radio makes no sense to me. Everybody else
> (mostly?) is waveguide. Different is not always good, even if it's cheaper.
> "Because what f'n antenna am I supposed to use!?" says the entire list.
>
> They might have been better off with a proprietary slip-fit antenna and/or
> interface. Or perhaps two models like the Integra & Integra-S.
>
> On 6/7/2016 8:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>
> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>
> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>> What does the radio have on it?
>>
>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>> heard from a few places.
>>
>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>> like Chuck will build.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan > > wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Interesting that if I try to use the Times Microwave calculator for LMR cables 
at 11 GHz, it gives an error that the cable is not suitable for that frequency. 
 Apparently they consider the max to be 6 GHz.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The coaxial on an 11GHz radio makes no sense to me. Everybody else (mostly?) is 
waveguide. Different is not always good, even if it's cheaper. "Because what 
f'n antenna am I supposed to use!?" says the entire list.

They might have been better off with a proprietary slip-fit antenna and/or 
interface. Or perhaps two models like the Integra & Integra-S.


On 6/7/2016 8:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

  Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
  I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


  On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

[AFMUG] Can cnMaestro Reboot AP's?

[Nate Burke]

I have a 4 sector EPMP Site that has been up for some time with a 
handful of customer on it.  I had it in cnMaestro.  I added about 6 Subs 
to the site today, and suddenly, all 4 AP's started rebooting about 
every 5-6 minutes.  I Disabled the NAT rule that allows them connection 
to the Interwebs, and that seems to have stabilized it. I have no idea 
what else might have triggered it.  The cnMaestro notification screen 
shows that the 4 AP's went offline about an hour after the reboot cycle 
started.  That was about 4 hours before I removed the NAT Rule.


None of the Sub's rebooted, only the AP's.  There were no power issues 
at the site, all other equipment except for the 4 AP's was just fine.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

The coaxial on an 11GHz radio makes no sense to me. Everybody else 
(mostly?) is waveguide. Different is not always good, even if it's 
cheaper. "Because what f'n antenna am I supposed to use!?" says the 
entire list.


They might have been better off with a proprietary slip-fit antenna 
and/or interface. Or perhaps two models like the Integra & Integra-S.


On 6/7/2016 8:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are 
Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, 
Ceragon, SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I 
have no experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed 
up with.
Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with 
feedtubes for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now 
defunct?) McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, 
including one for 5 GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.

I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more 
directly though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan

*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets
i've heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you
make up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up
wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use
dual polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter,
which it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan
 wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. 
I imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade

existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there
an adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our
license dictates. Can they be run in dual polarity? Ideally,
the adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here
is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

Butte Pirates:

https://www.prepsportswear.com/school/us/Idaho/Arco/Butte-County-High-School-Pirates/ProductList.aspx?schoolid=11608=305

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Tong has several meanings and is a surname depending on regionwe made
> some T Shirts when I worked for the Tornillo school  district..we wore them
> a couple of times but some folks got upset..." Tornillo U" 
> On Jun 7, 2016 8:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> A tong is a long fork, right?  So Fork Yu?
>>
>> Or a Chinese criminal gang?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:43 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..."
>> On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Fink 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>> Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to
>>> our slip fit wave guide design on the B11:
>>>
>>> Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
>>> ready now as I understand it from their channel.
>>>
>>> We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main
>>> Commscope series.
>>>
>>> Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
>>> distributors quite soon.
>>>
>>> Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also
>>> making an adapter plate as well.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
>>> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
>>> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
>>> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>>>
>>> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
>>> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
>>> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
>>> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Brian Sullivan 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
>>> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
>>> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
>>> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
 What does the radio have on it?

 *From:* Brian Sullivan
 *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
 heard from a few places.

 Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up
 a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.

 On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

 If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
 polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
 like Chuck will build.

 On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <
 installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
> Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that
> will convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
> Dragonwave interface.
>
>
>
>



>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Solorza]

Tong has several meanings and is a surname depending on regionwe made
some T Shirts when I worked for the Tornillo school  district..we wore them
a couple of times but some folks got upset..." Tornillo U" 
On Jun 7, 2016 8:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> A tong is a long fork, right?  So Fork Yu?
>
> Or a Chinese criminal gang?
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:43 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..."
> On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Cool.
>>
>> Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Fink 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our
>> slip fit wave guide design on the B11:
>>
>> Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
>> ready now as I understand it from their channel.
>>
>> We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main
>> Commscope series.
>>
>> Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
>> distributors quite soon.
>>
>> Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making
>> an adapter plate as well.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
>> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
>> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
>> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>>
>> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
>> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
>> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
>> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Brian Sullivan 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
>> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
>> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
>> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>>> What does the radio have on it?
>>>
>>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>>> heard from a few places.
>>>
>>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>>
>>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>>> like Chuck will build.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>
 UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
 some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
 UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
 Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
 VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
 convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
 rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
 our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
 adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
 Dragonwave interface.




>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

A tong is a long fork, right?  So Fork Yu?

Or a Chinese criminal gang?


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:43 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..." 

On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Cool.

  Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.


  From: Jaime Fink 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our 
slip fit wave guide design on the B11:

  Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel. 

  We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series. 

  Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon. 

  Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well. 

  Hope that helps. 

  Jaime

  On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes 
for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

  On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Solorza]

Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..."
On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Cool.
>
> Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Fink 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our
> slip fit wave guide design on the B11:
>
> Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
> ready now as I understand it from their channel.
>
> We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope
> series.
>
> Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
> distributors quite soon.
>
> Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making
> an adapter plate as well.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>
> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>
> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>> What does the radio have on it?
>>
>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>> heard from a few places.
>>
>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>> like Chuck will build.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan > > wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Cool.

Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.


From: Jaime Fink 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our slip 
fit wave guide design on the B11:

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel. 

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series. 

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon. 

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well. 

Hope that helps. 

Jaime

On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

  Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
  I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


  On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Fink]

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our slip 
fit wave guide design on the B11:

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel.

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series.

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon.

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well.

Hope that helps.

Jaime

On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:

Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly though, 
as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard from 
a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a batch? 
 I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity with 
it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck will 
build.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net>
 wrote:
UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine some 
operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio 
to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.
[cid:]

Re: [AFMUG] New hold music for telemarketers and unsolicited sales calls

[Josh Luthman]

Lol! :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 7, 2016 10:31 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> On my PBX:
>
> Call 1-778-819-8465
>
> As soon as it picks up, enter  to get the extension
>
> It's the ultimate terrible hold music...  Or you can listen to it here:
> https://soundcloud.com/user-237714155/sales-call-abyss
>
>
>

[AFMUG] New hold music for telemarketers and unsolicited sales calls

[Eric Kuhnke]

On my PBX:

Call 1-778-819-8465

As soon as it picks up, enter  to get the extension

It's the ultimate terrible hold music...  Or you can listen to it here:
https://soundcloud.com/user-237714155/sales-call-abyss

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Jaime Solorza]

We have two Magnetrol R82 Pulse Burst Radar level transmitters installed to
give water levels when storm water comes in.  They use 26GHz to send and
receive echo from raising water.   Will share more tomorrow...
On Jun 7, 2016 5:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> here's a bigass tunnel:
>
>
> http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/19/4853636/underground-with-manhattans-new-water-tunnel-three-photo-essay
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> That’s different.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:36 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?
>>
>> Now full of fiber optic cables:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tunnel_Company
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, that sucker’s huge.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of Chicago’s “Deep Tunnel” project though.
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?
>>>
>>> http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I had
 to go down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually invert floats
 to make sure system detects water levelsoh well it's honest work

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

  On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

[AFMUG] OT: fake Windows Update screens

[Colin Stanners]

http://fakeupdate.net/these make great pranks - but the Windows 10 one
is fearsome enough that it could make enemies.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.

I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan

*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets
i've heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you
make up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up
wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan
> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. 
I imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing

11 GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there
an adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a
photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jason McKemie]

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
> What does the radio have on it?
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan
> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
> from a few places.
>
> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>
> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
> Chuck will build.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan  > wrote:
>
>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

If you are right, it sounds like McCownTech to the rescue!

On 6/7/2016 6:15 PM, George Skorup wrote:
They could just spin a new/another hardware revision that will fit 
right onto a Remec circular interface... that we already have a bunch 
of in the field. My guess is, that's not going to happen.


On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, 
also they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce 
other than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm 
ship date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website 
yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT 
Forum.  Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish 
and if they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the 
Dragonwave dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm 
this is playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking 
much about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s 
an Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity 
for the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets 
i've heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up 
wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a
photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

It certainly seems like a defensive maneuver.  Although we have been 
asking for since what, 2011? The radio isn't shipping yet and I believe 
they still have to certify with the FCC before they can put out a spec 
sheet.  One distributor I spoke to said August availability.
I did ask the same question on the forum, hoping to get somewhere with 
an adapter.  I think the UBNT employee that responded doesn't know all 
that much about it either and I agree, came off sounding a little 
strange.  Also strange he would tell us about Jirous, the first I have 
heard mention of it.

A pissing match between Mimosa and UBNT is good for WISPs.  :-)

On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also 
they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other 
than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship 
date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  
Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if 
they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave 
dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is 
playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking much 
about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for 
the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have
2 N connections, one for H + V. Here is a photo of the
Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[George Skorup]

Here's the stats from my SM. It varies a bit, but is still much more 
usable than the UBNT. We have a handful of customers in similar 
situations. Some we've even taken off of 900 FSK. Don't expect miracles, 
but don't say.. oh, there's a tree in the way, it's never going to work. 
Try it and see what you get.


Receive Power : 
-59.2 dB (-61.0 dB B / -64.0 dB A)
Signal Strength Ratio : 
3.0 dB B-A
Signal to Noise Ratio : 
34 B / 37 A dB
Beacons :   
100%
Receive Fragments Modulation :  
Path B:QPSK:65% 16-QAM:17% 64-QAM:8% 256-QAM:10%
Path A:QPSK:30% 16-QAM:26% 64-QAM:23% 256-QAM:22%
Latest Remote Link Test Efficiency Percentage : 
NA%
BER Total Avg Results : 
9.508931e-06


Transmit Power :
24 dBm
Max Transmit Power :
25 dBm
Power Level :   
-58.9 (-63.0 B / -61.0 A) dBm
Signal Strength Ratio : 
0.0 dB B - A
Signal to Noise Ratio : 
31 dB B / 33 dB A
Latest Remote Link Test Efficiency Percentage : 
NA%


Stats for LUID: 3   Test Duration: 2   Pkt Length: 1714   Test Direction 
Bi-Directional


*RF Link Test*
VC  DownlinkUplink  Aggregate   Packet Transmit Packet 
Receive
Actual  Actual
19  40906752 bps
(40.90 Mbps)10936320 bps
(10.93 Mbps)51843072 bps
(51.84 Mbps),  3732 pps)1574 (787 pps)  5891(2945 pps)


*Efficiency*
DownlinkUplink
Efficiency  Fragments
count   Signal to
Noise Ratio Efficiency  Fragments
count   Signal to
Noise Ratio
Actual  ExpectedActual  Expected
100%159792  159792  36 dB B
39 dB A 100%42720   42720   35 dB B
36 dB A

*
Link Quality
Downlink
*
RF Path Modulation  Fragments   Modulation
Percentage  Average Corrected
Bit Errors
B   QPSK19882   25% 1.382
B   16-QAM  19882   25% 1.730
B   64-QAM  19880   25% 2.144
B   256-QAM 19882   25% 1.481
A   QPSK19884   25% 0.469
A   16-QAM  19882   25% 0.745
A   64-QAM  19882   25% 0.903
A   256-QAM 19883   25% 0.481

*Uplink
*
RF Path Modulation  Fragments   Modulation
Percentage  Average Corrected
Bit Errors
B   QPSK635630% 1.741
B   16-QAM  633630% 1.979
B   64-QAM  631130% 2.140
B   256-QAM 229211% 3.737
A   QPSK637930% 0.722
A   16-QAM  637430% 0.861
A   64-QAM  636630% 0.984
A   256-QAM 232711% 2.063



On 6/7/2016 6:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Sounds like it's worth a try...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 7:34 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


My house is on a 3.6 450 SM on a reflector. Almost exactly a mile
away to the tower where the standard Cambium OEM 90 degree sector
is at 225 feet. I have a large maple tree in the way and skimming
another about 150 feet away. I get about -58dBm. When the tree is
wet it'll drop to maybe -67 or so. Compare that with the UBNT 3.65
that I used to be on... it's night and day. The tree would get wet
and I'd be at like -80. Almost unusable. So I think the dual slant
on the 450 helps quite a bit. Even when the tree wasn't wet and
I'd be at like -62 on the UBNT, I still couldn't get more than
15-16Mbps out of it. I mostly sit at 256QAM up and down on the 450
and get about 37x11Mbps. 10MHz channel. We have other sectors in
the area so I can't run a 20MHz channel on that sector. :(

On 6/7/2016 1:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this
discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs
22dBm on a 2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better
pattern on a sector vs omni. A V-pol omni doesn't typically
have a horrible pattern though. Except for vertical
beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models,
etc. So it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go
between the two.

We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not
so much the noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're
going to get rid of it eventually along with all of the other
2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.

On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course. You're probably getting more
than 2 db unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small
sector.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Eric Kuhnke]

here's a bigass tunnel:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/19/4853636/underground-with-manhattans-new-water-tunnel-three-photo-essay

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That’s different.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?
>
> Now full of fiber optic cables:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tunnel_Company
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Wow, that sucker’s huge.
>>
>> Reminds me of Chicago’s “Deep Tunnel” project though.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?
>>
>> http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I had
>>> to go down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually invert floats
>>> to make sure system detects water levelsoh well it's honest work
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

Sounds like it's worth a try...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 7, 2016 7:34 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> My house is on a 3.6 450 SM on a reflector. Almost exactly a mile away to
> the tower where the standard Cambium OEM 90 degree sector is at 225 feet. I
> have a large maple tree in the way and skimming another about 150 feet
> away. I get about -58dBm. When the tree is wet it'll drop to maybe -67 or
> so. Compare that with the UBNT 3.65 that I used to be on... it's night and
> day. The tree would get wet and I'd be at like -80. Almost unusable. So I
> think the dual slant on the 450 helps quite a bit. Even when the tree
> wasn't wet and I'd be at like -62 on the UBNT, I still couldn't get more
> than 15-16Mbps out of it. I mostly sit at 256QAM up and down on the 450 and
> get about 37x11Mbps. 10MHz channel. We have other sectors in the area so I
> can't run a 20MHz channel on that sector. :(
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
>> 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
>> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
>> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
>> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>>
>> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
>> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
>> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
>> 900 to us now.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db
>> unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
>>> Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
>>> width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
>>> FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
>>> impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
>>> ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)
>>>
>>> If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on
>>> 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it.
>>> The 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get
>>> around some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
 that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
 connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.


 > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
 > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
 > have not deployed more then couple test links.
 >
 > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
 > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
 >
 > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[George Skorup]

My house is on a 3.6 450 SM on a reflector. Almost exactly a mile away 
to the tower where the standard Cambium OEM 90 degree sector is at 225 
feet. I have a large maple tree in the way and skimming another about 
150 feet away. I get about -58dBm. When the tree is wet it'll drop to 
maybe -67 or so. Compare that with the UBNT 3.65 that I used to be on... 
it's night and day. The tree would get wet and I'd be at like -80. 
Almost unusable. So I think the dual slant on the 450 helps quite a bit. 
Even when the tree wasn't wet and I'd be at like -62 on the UBNT, I 
still couldn't get more than 15-16Mbps out of it. I mostly sit at 256QAM 
up and down on the 450 and get about 37x11Mbps. 10MHz channel. We have 
other sectors in the area so I can't run a 20MHz channel on that sector. :(


On 6/7/2016 1:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm
on a 2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a
sector vs omni. A V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible
pattern though. Except for vertical beamwidth. Then you play with
electronic downtilt models, etc. So it's probably moot as far as
Rx power levels go between the two.

We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so
much the noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to
get rid of it eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit.
It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.

On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2
db unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a
cluster though. Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two
450 sectors from KP 120 beam width (think 14db) . Was able to
hook up every single customer I has on the FSK to the 450 and
some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the
3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands
except 900)

If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have
FSK up on 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then
do it. You'll love it. The 450 is actually better because you
can run 10-mhz channels to get around some of the noise in
2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt
> wrote:

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4
and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far
though.


> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are
the differences
> you have seen in performance? Interference tolerance
among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was
the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

They could just spin a new/another hardware revision that will fit right 
onto a Remec circular interface... that we already have a bunch of in 
the field. My guess is, that's not going to happen.


On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also 
they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other 
than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship 
date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  
Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if 
they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave 
dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is 
playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking much 
about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for 
the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have
2 N connections, one for H + V. Here is a photo of the
Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_and_Reservoir_Plan


From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

Now full of fiber optic cables: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tunnel_Company


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Wow, that sucker’s huge.

  Reminds me of Chicago’s “Deep Tunnel” project though.

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:28 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

  http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I had to 
go down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually invert floats to make 
sure system detects water levelsoh well it's honest work 

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Robert Andrews]

Makes me think of a place that "Raiders" should shoot...

On 06/07/2016 03:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Wow, that sucker’s huge.
Reminds me of Chicago’s “Deep Tunnel” project though.
*From:* Eric Kuhnke 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:28 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?
http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza > wrote:

Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I
had to go down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually
invert floats to make sure system detects water levelsoh well
it's honest work

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Now full of fiber optic cables:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Tunnel_Company

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Wow, that sucker’s huge.
>
> Reminds me of Chicago’s “Deep Tunnel” project though.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?
>
> http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I had to
>> go down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually invert floats to
>> make sure system detects water levelsoh well it's honest work
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Ken Hohhof]

Wow, that sucker’s huge.

Reminds me of Chicago’s “Deep Tunnel” project though.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I had to go 
down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually invert floats to make 
sure system detects water levelsoh well it's honest work 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also they had 
the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other than the AF4x.  Is 
it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship date?  There doesn’t even seem 
to be brochureware on the website yet.

I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  Their 
answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if they sent you a 
sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave dishes, that seems 
pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is playing defense against Mimosa.  
And they seem to be thinking “disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, 
probably not thinking much about retrofits.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?  
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, Bring-Your-Own(or 
old)-Dish.
How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may be 
worth selling.  



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an Apple 
thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for the color white.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.  

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   
This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
  :-)  
  Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz


  On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] For this I went to college?

[Eric Kuhnke]

http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/g-cans-worlds-largest-drain

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Down to the bowels of he'll...a storm system we are working on...I had to
> go down 40 ft. and then back up 45 I had to manually invert floats to
> make sure system detects water levelsoh well it's honest work
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

The "RF Armor" guy is the same guy who makes Netonix switches as well.
Chris Sisler. Good guy.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> ubnt is not always very fast with copying stuff though, it only took them
> 3.5 years from the time the RF Armor guy started shipping shrouds/radomes
> for nanobridge & rocketdish until they time they created the "ISOBeam"
> shielded/shrouded dishes.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money,
>> they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.
>>
>> From: Brian Sullivan
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?
>> This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
>> :-)
>> Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>> What does the radio have on it?
>>
>> From: Brian Sullivan
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
>> from a few places.
>>
>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
>> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
>> Chuck will build.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT
>>> radio to gain more capacity.
>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate
>>> the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our
>>> license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter
>>> would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may 
be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”. Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert. Along with an affinity for the 
color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

ubnt is not always very fast with copying stuff though, it only took them
3.5 years from the time the RF Armor guy started shipping shrouds/radomes
for nanobridge & rocketdish until they time they created the "ISOBeam"
shielded/shrouded dishes.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money,
> they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?
> This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
> :-)
> Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz
>
> On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
> What does the radio have on it?
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
> from a few places.
>
> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>
> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
> Chuck will build.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <
> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>
>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Corp. Fleet Lease - Who do you use?

[Lewis Bergman]

We have been using Enterprise's fleet division for a few years and like
them.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:34 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Toyota gave us 0% for 4 years on the last 2 Tundras we purchased (2014 &
> 2015)
>
> Hard to lease when they are giving away free money ;-)
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
> Inc  wrote:
>
>> Looking to get two more used or new fleet trucks.  Who do you use?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 Spectrum Analysis?

[George Skorup]

For FSK, it's 8MHz for 900, 20MHz for all other bands. 450 obviously you 
can run the SA at 5MHz width. I wonder if they could shrink that down to 
2.5MHz at some point. That would be cool.


On 6/7/2016 2:30 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
What is the bandwidth used during spectrum analysis on the PMP100 900 
MHz?


It is displayed as though it is measuring in 1 MHz bandwidth and 1 MHz 
increments, but I am curious to know if it is actually 8 MHz bandwidth 
and 1 MHz increments.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an Apple 
thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for the color white.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   This 
would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
:-)  
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan  
wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

Glad to hear.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 7, 2016 4:52 PM, "Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc" <
t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

> Josh,
>
>
>
> We have several customers in that situation.  No issues.  Using 10Mhz
> channel.  Getting ready to deploy the KP dual sectors with 5Ghz and 3.65Ghz.
>
> I can’t speak for everyone, but the 3.65 rocks in our area.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 7, 2016 2:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>
>
>
> Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
> 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>
> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
> 900 to us now.
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db
> unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
> Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
> width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
> FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
> impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
> ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)
>
>
>
> If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4
> and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. The
> 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
> some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
> that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
> connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.
>
>
>
> > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
> > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> > have not deployed more then couple test links.
> >
> > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
> > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
> >
> > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   This 
would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
:-)  
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan  
wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

Would be a from scratch thing, but the cover would have to be an extra piece 
that is removable.  
You will have one SMA pointing down and one pointing to the side.  There would 
have to be room to bend the cable.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The 11X is coming with N connectors from what I have seen.  So we could use 
some LMR200 N-to-SMA adapter cables.  If this is a start from scratch thing, I 
would suggest a way to have the connectors covered up and out of the rain - 
maybe with a screw on door?  I dislike weatherproofing RF cables.


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan  
wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Josh,

 

We have several customers in that situation.  No issues.  Using 10Mhz channel.  
Getting ready to deploy the KP dual sectors with 5Ghz and 3.65Ghz.

I can’t speak for everyone, but the 3.65 rocks in our area.

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 

Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  > wrote:

Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4 450 
AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A V-pol omni 
doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for vertical 
beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So it's probably 
moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.

We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the noise 
at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it eventually along 
with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.

On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db unless it 
was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:

I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though. Went 
from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam width (think 
14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the FSK to the 450 
and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has impressively decent 
nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all the 
450 frequency bands except 900)

 

If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4 and 
nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. The 450 is 
actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around some of the 
noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

 

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt  > wrote:

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.



> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
> you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes? 
  This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

The 11X is coming with N connectors from what I have seen.  So we could 
use some LMR200 N-to-SMA adapter cables.  If this is a start from 
scratch thing, I would suggest a way to have the connectors covered up 
and out of the rain - maybe with a screw on door?  I dislike 
weatherproofing RF cables.


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[David]

Hot Springs Ar,
Small City of 36.6K and inside a county with 110K


On 06/03/2016 09:29 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Which and what type of urban environment?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"David" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, June 3, 2016 9:17:12 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful 
IOT access for all.

Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general.
3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest 
900 450i rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a 
little deeper distance from the tower.


We  have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the 
thickest crap around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little 
more cpe gain we will get this.


With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at 
my dense tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have 
about 15 subs on a single epmp AP in an area that does fine with 
10Mbx10Mb service rate.
The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to 
back on same channel using the gps sync working great.




On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two,
by swapping one of our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping
the exact same antennas and everything else... I just need to
figure out where I can do it that's going to give me some
useful information and not make too many customers angry.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>
wrote:

I do not believe we have had both on the same tower.  We
had diverted to doing epmp 2.4 not long after it came out
as we had lots of problems with ESD on ubnt 2.4 rockets.
Changed some things and they are surviving storms much better.
Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? -
totally same environment) just revealed in dramatically
different results. Not as much speed, maybe, but at least
we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or two away. 
With epmp we're lucky to get a mile way.

Understand we are in THICK tree country.  900 is still our
primary product

- Original Message -
*From:* Mathew Howard 
*To:* af 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on
the same link, or is it maybe just differences in how
they calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any
sense that two different radios running on the same
frequency putting the same amount of power into the
same antennas would give significantly different
signal levels...

The closest thing I've done to a comparison was
playing with a Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there
didn't seem to be a significant difference between it
and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200
2.4, integrated + reflector for CPEs.  Continues
to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[David]

We  cannot deploy any 2.4 in my area due to high noise floors in the 
urban area.



On 06/07/2016 02:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Coming from 2.4 Ubnt do you think it would meet or exceed capacity?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:


I have tried a few, one short link through trees is still in
service, but if the trees are near the customer it is
unimpressive.  You can probably replace any 2.4 FSK customers, but
the NLOS ones are going to be 2X or 4X or MIMO-A, so not taking
advantage of the 450 capabilities and eating up airtime on an
expensive platform with probably a 10 MHz channel.
LOS however it rocks.
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this
discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs
22dBm on a 2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better
pattern on a sector vs omni. A V-pol omni doesn't typically
have a horrible pattern though. Except for vertical beamwidth.
Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So it's
probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.

We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so
much the noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going
to get rid of it eventually along with all of the other 2.4
shit. It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.

On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course. You're probably getting more
than 2 db unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small
sector.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
>
wrote:

I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a
cluster though. Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a
two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam width (think 14db) . Was
able to hook up every single customer I has on the FSK to
the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz
actually has impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot
better than the 3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all the 450
frequency bands except 900)
If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already
have FSK up on 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise
floor then do it. You'll love it. The 450 is actually
better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt
> wrote:

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450
2.4 and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on
near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so
far though.


> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what
are the differences
> you have seen in performance?  Interference
tolerance among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[David]

We have a ton of 3.65 deployed over 600 Subs so far since our first site 
deployment over year ago.

 We have nLOS and a few NLOS.
Waiting for FCC to let us have access to the lower side so we can push 
higher subs per AP.
We run a 5x5 and 7x5 qos on the subs and we happily get about 40+ subs 
on a single AP without a fuss.
Once you hit 50 or more is where the screaming starts. Since we have 
been limited to a 10Mhz wide channel for our area.



On 06/07/2016 01:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm
on a 2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a
sector vs omni. A V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible
pattern though. Except for vertical beamwidth. Then you play with
electronic downtilt models, etc. So it's probably moot as far as
Rx power levels go between the two.

We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so
much the noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to
get rid of it eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit.
It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.

On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2
db unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a
cluster though. Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two
450 sectors from KP 120 beam width (think 14db) . Was able to
hook up every single customer I has on the FSK to the 450 and
some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the
3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands
except 900)

If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have
FSK up on 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then
do it. You'll love it. The 450 is actually better because you
can run 10-mhz channels to get around some of the noise in
2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt
> wrote:

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4
and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far
though.


> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some
Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are
the differences
> you have seen in performance? Interference tolerance
among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was
the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Sean Heskett]

we've been able to go thru a cpl trees at less than 1/2 mile with cambium
450 in 3.65Ghz, thru 1 tree at ~1 mile, thru a branch at greater than 1
mile.

-Sean




On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> In my experience the on the 450 - 3.65 is about in the middle of the 5ghz
> band and 2.4ghz band for near-LOS capabilities.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a
>>> 2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
>>> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
>>> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
>>> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>>>
>>> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
>>> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
>>> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
>>> 900 to us now.
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db
>>> unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
 Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
 width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
 FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
 impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
 ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)

 If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on
 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it.
 The 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get
 around some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

 On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt < 
 matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
> that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
> connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.
>
>
> > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried
> and
> > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> > have not deployed more then couple test links.
> >
> > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the
> differences
> > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
> >
> > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the
> reasoning?
>


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Ken Hohhof]

I doubt it.

Do you feel that adjacent channel interference is affecting you?  I don't 
think it would help same channel interference.


Also, 450i has some features that probably aren't of use in the 2.4 band, 
like more CPU horsepower, 30/40 MHz channels, and wideband (4.9-5.8 GHz) on 
a single SKU.


Not sure if 450m with beamforming would be useful in 2.4.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

So is PMP450i coming too the 2.4GHZ band?  Would certainly help with noise.



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:46 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.

We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just 
like

900 to us now.

On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db 
unless

it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:


I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on 
the

FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for 
NLOS. (

I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)

If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4
and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. 
The

450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt  
wrote:


So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.


> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
> you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Matt]

So is PMP450i coming too the 2.4GHZ band?  Would certainly help with noise.



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:46 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
> 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>
> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
> 900 to us now.
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db unless
> it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
>> Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
>> width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
>> FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
>> impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS. (
>> I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)
>>
>> If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4
>> and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. The
>> 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
>> some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
>>> that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
>>> connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.
>>>
>>>
>>> > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
>>> > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
>>> > have not deployed more then couple test links.
>>> >
>>> > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
>>> > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
>>> >
>>> > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Josh,

In my experience the on the 450 - 3.65 is about in the middle of the 5ghz
band and 2.4ghz band for near-LOS capabilities.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
>> 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
>> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
>> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
>> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>>
>> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
>> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
>> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
>> 900 to us now.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db
>> unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
>>> Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
>>> width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
>>> FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
>>> impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
>>> ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)
>>>
>>> If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on
>>> 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it.
>>> The 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get
>>> around some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
 that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
 connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.


 > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
 > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
 > have not deployed more then couple test links.
 >
 > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
 > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
 >
 > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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[AFMUG] PMP100 Spectrum Analysis?

[Christopher Gray]

What is the bandwidth used during spectrum analysis on the PMP100 900 MHz?

It is displayed as though it is measuring in 1 MHz bandwidth and 1 MHz
increments, but I am curious to know if it is actually 8 MHz bandwidth and
1 MHz increments.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

Witness the power of AFMUG!

From: Dan Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:19 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Dear AFMUG,

 

Cambium Networks performed measurements of ePMP against a competitor recently 
in 2.4 GHz with regard to Tx Power and RSSI.  This is what we found.

 

We set AP transmit power to 21 dBm.  This would allow for total EIRP of 36 dBm 
assuming a 15 dBi antenna was used.

 

We measured actual transmit power out of each AP in 5 MHz steps from 2412 GHz 
to 2467 GHz.  We found ePMP transmit power ranged from 20.05 to 20.78 dBm.  The 
competitor AP transmit power ranged from 21.76 to 22.36 dBm.  The actual 
difference in transmit power ranged from 1.14 dBm to 2.26 dBm with an average 
1.84 dB.

 

We measured the actual RSSI at the AP from -95 dBm to -40 dBm in 5 dB steps.  
ePMP reported values in the 0 to 1 dB higher range.  The competitor AP reported 
values 5 to 6 dB higher than actual up to -65 dBm, 7 dB higher from -60 to -50 
dBm, and 8 to 9 dB higher from -45 to -40 dBm.

 

It appears to us that transmit power should be increased by 2 dB on ePMP or 
decreased by 2 dB on the competitor to get an equal comparison for a test and 
deployment.  With regard to RSSI, a good test would be to compare actual MCS 
used once the transmit power difference is corrected.

 

We also have optimized out transmit power control accuracy in the 3.0 release, 
which is resulting in improved uplink transmit power.  We have release 3.0 
available for limited trial if anyone is interested in trying this out on their 
2.4 GHz ePMP network.  Please send me an email offline for this for this 
software.

 

Daniel Sullivan

ePMP System Architecture and Software Manager

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 

All of the above.

On 6/6/2016 10:52 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

   

   

  What were the symptoms of problems with ubnt?  low modulation? sector 
capacity issues?

  What made your friend and you decide to switch to epmp?

   

   

- Original Message - 

From:Jerry Head

To:af@afmug.com 

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:36 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 

Yup 36 Max ptmp and no I cannot confirm what power levels were being run on 
UBNT.

On 6/6/2016 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  21+15 just checked




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Isn't it 21+18 max?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 6, 2016 10:52 AM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

  only if the power is set wrong.

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Epmp is like 6 dB less power?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 6, 2016 10:47 AM, "Mathew Howard"  
wrote:

  The only direct comparison I've seen with the same antennas at 
the AP was the one Jerry Head mentioned here... and he wasn't able to confirm 
that TX power was the same.

  The other thing that I'm wondering about is if the fact that the 
Cambium sectors are dual slant instead of H/V has something to do with it.

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Ken Hohhof  
wrote:

Someone asked whether the xmt power was apples-to-apples, has 
that been answered?

 

If the antennas are comparable, it would seem the only 
explanations for different rcv signal would be xmt power, or calibration error.

 

 

From:Chuck McCown

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:18 AM

To:af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 

I think if I was cambium, I would have a couple of guys on a 
plane or in a car with a suitcase of equipment to visit you in the field.  

This was not the intended or expected outcome for that product. 
 

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:17 PM

To:af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 

Never really left.  I would have to lose customers with epmp 
2.4 wifi due to lack of signal.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
  

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT and ATPC the Hell freezes

[Ty Featherling]

*thumbs up*



-Ty

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> Newest beta for AF5X gets a ATPC function. You enter the target
>
> RX-Signal and it adapts TX-Power of the other side.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Thanks :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio
Date: Tue, Jun 7, 2016 1:35 PM

Streams are normally on demand.  So they are always available.  

Not sure if you have a live stream, I think you could probably record that 
as well.  




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio



does that include from a stream?

- Original Message - 
From: 
Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:15 
AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio



It will record 4 different real time programs simultaneously.





From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio



I didn't see where you had to pay for the mini's in 
terms of a subscription...
I would probably jump all over this if I felt I'd 
actually use it... lol

If you find CNBC, could i set, say, the tivo to record 
say, mad money, at a certain time via streaming?


- Original Message - 
From: 
Chuck McCown 

To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:11 
AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO 
Roamio



I know you can run it as whole house DVR.  Not sure if it is the 
mini or what that  you use for the other locations.
I don’t believe there is any extra fee, but have not got that far 
yet.  




From: CBB 
- Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio



I see it works with tivo mini - which i just
googled.  Can you run one tivo roamio and say three tivo minis and your 
whole family stream off the main box?   Would there be an extra 
fee?

(yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the 
morning, too)



- Original Message - 
From: 
Chuck McCown 

To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO 
Roamio



No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, 
YouTube and a bunch more.  




From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio



So 
Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop 
on that.

What 
other normally paid services do you get for FREE?



From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCownSent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PMTo: 
af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO 
Roamio




Trying to figure 
out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost method as 
possible.

Showtime is on 
Hulu which is on TIVO.

Not sure about 
AMC yet.

Discovery seems 
to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO product but I 
think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

I made a 
spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the 
following:



TLC, CNBC, 
AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 



I found a 
bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  




From: Hardy, Tim 


Sent: Monday, 
June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio





As I mentioned 
the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is $399 on the
website, including lifetime service for the 
device.







TiVo Roamio™ OTA 
1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman

Sent: Monday, 
June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio







Website looks 
like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?



Josh 
Luthman

Office: 
937-552-2340

Direct: 
937-552-2343

1100 Wayne 
St

Suite 
1337

Troy, OH 
45373







On Jun 6, 2016 
4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  
wrote:







If you buy the 
$399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly subscription into the 
price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay 
$12/month.



Travis











On 6/6/2016 2:09 
PM, Josh Luthman wrote:







How is it you're 
getting around the monthly subscription?

























Josh 
Luthman

Office: 
937-552-2340

Direct: 
937-552-2343

1100 Wayne 
St

Suite 
1337

Troy, OH 
45373















On Mon, Jun 6, 
2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:







Sound and image 
is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have ever seen on 
any device.

[AFMUG] UBNT and ATPC the Hell freezes

[Stefan Englhardt]

Newest beta for AF5X gets a ATPC function. You enter the target

RX-Signal and it adapts TX-Power of the other side.

Re: [AFMUG] Corp. Fleet Lease - Who do you use?

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
We're using Enterprise Fleet Services (their fleet arm of their
  car rental BU).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
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  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 6/7/16 12:49 PM, Tyson Burris @
  Internet Communications Inc wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Looking to get two more used or new fleet
  trucks.  Who do you use?
 
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739 Commerce Dr. 
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Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

Coming from 2.4 Ubnt do you think it would meet or exceed capacity?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 7, 2016 2:59 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I have tried a few, one short link through trees is still in service, but
> if the trees are near the customer it is unimpressive.  You can probably
> replace any 2.4 FSK customers, but the NLOS ones are going to be 2X or 4X
> or MIMO-A, so not taking advantage of the 450 capabilities and eating up
> airtime on an expensive platform with probably a 10 MHz channel.
>
> LOS however it rocks.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>
>
> Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
>> 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
>> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
>> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
>> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>>
>> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
>> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
>> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
>> 900 to us now.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db
>> unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>>
>>> I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
>>> Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
>>> width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
>>> FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
>>> impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
>>> ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)
>>>
>>> If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on
>>> 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it.
>>> The 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get
>>> around some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
 that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
 connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.


 > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
 > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
 > have not deployed more then couple test links.
 >
 > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
 > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
 >
 > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Ken Hohhof]

I have tried a few, one short link through trees is still in service, but if 
the trees are near the customer it is unimpressive.  You can probably replace 
any 2.4 FSK customers, but the NLOS ones are going to be 2X or 4X or MIMO-A, so 
not taking advantage of the 450 capabilities and eating up airtime on an 
expensive platform with probably a 10 MHz channel.

LOS however it rocks.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4 450 
AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A V-pol omni 
doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for vertical 
beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So it's probably 
moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.

  We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the noise 
at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it eventually along 
with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like 900 to us now.


  On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db unless 
it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though. 
Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam width 
(think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the FSK to 
the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has impressively 
decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all 
the 450 frequency bands except 900)

  If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4 
and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. The 450 
is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around some of 
the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.



> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
> you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

[AFMUG] Corp. Fleet Lease - Who do you use?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Looking to get two more used or new fleet trucks.  Who do you use?

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

Has anyone tried 450 3.65 for near Los situations like this discussion?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 7, 2016 2:46 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 2.4
> 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs omni. A
> V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. Except for
> vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt models, etc. So
> it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between the two.
>
> We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the
> noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it
> eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just like
> 900 to us now.
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db
> unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though.
>> Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam
>> width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the
>> FSK to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
>> impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
>> ( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)
>>
>> If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4
>> and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. The
>> 450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
>> some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
>>> that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
>>> connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.
>>>
>>>
>>> > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
>>> > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
>>> > have not deployed more then couple test links.
>>> >
>>> > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
>>> > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
>>> >
>>> > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[George Skorup]

Take into account the 24-25dBm Tx power on a 2.4 FSK AP vs 22dBm on a 
2.4 450 AP. And you'll probably get a better pattern on a sector vs 
omni. A V-pol omni doesn't typically have a horrible pattern though. 
Except for vertical beamwidth. Then you play with electronic downtilt 
models, etc. So it's probably moot as far as Rx power levels go between 
the two.


We get OK penetration on the 2.4 450 sector we have up. Not so much the 
noise at the tower as it is at the SMs. We're going to get rid of it 
eventually along with all of the other 2.4 shit. It's a dead band just 
like 900 to us now.


On 6/7/2016 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Omni to a sector, of course.  You're probably getting more than 2 db 
unless it was a bonkers big omni and super small sector.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:


I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster
though. Went from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors
from KP 120 beam width (think 14db) . Was able to hook up every
single customer I has on the FSK to the 450 and some were
near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has impressively decent nLOS.
I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS. ( I have used all
the 450 frequency bands except 900)

If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up
on 2.4 and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it.
You'll love it. The 450 is actually better because you can run
10-mhz channels to get around some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK
which was stuck at 20mhz

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt > wrote:

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and
how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.


> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we
tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested
but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the
differences
> you have seen in performance? Interference tolerance among
others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the
reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[Chuck McCown]

Streams are normally on demand.  So they are always available.  
Not sure if you have a live stream, I think you could probably record that as 
well.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


does that include from a stream?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  It will record 4 different real time programs simultaneously.


  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  I didn't see where you had to pay for the mini's in terms of a subscription...
  I would probably jump all over this if I felt I'd actually use it... lol

  If you find CNBC, could i set, say, the tivo to record say, mad money, at a 
certain time via streaming?

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

I know you can run it as whole house DVR.  Not sure if it is the mini or 
what that  you use for the other locations.
I don’t believe there is any extra fee, but have not got that far yet.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


I see it works with tivo mini - which i just googled.  Can you run one tivo 
roamio and say three tivo minis and your whole family stream off the main box?  
 Would there be an extra fee?

(yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the morning, too)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube 
and a bunch more.  

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  So Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop on that.

   

  What other normally paid services do you get for FREE?

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

  Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost 
method as possible.

  Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.

  Not sure about AMC yet.

  Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO 
product but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

  I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

   

  TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 

   

  I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  

   

  From: Hardy, Tim 

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

  As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is 
$399 on the website, including lifetime service for the device.

   

   

   

  TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

   

  Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

  On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

   

   

   

  If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay $12/month.

   

  Travis

   

   

   

   

   

  On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

   

   

   

  How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

   

   

   

  Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have 
ever seen on any device.  

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I have moved from pmp100 to 450 on 2.4ghz. Didn't do a cluster though. Went
from a 2.4FSK on a 12db Omni to a two 450 sectors from KP 120 beam width
(think 14db) . Was able to hook up every single customer I has on the FSK
to the 450 and some were near-LOS. The 450 in 2.4ghz actually has
impressively decent nLOS. I think its a lot better than the 3.65 for NLOS.
( I have used all the 450 frequency bands except 900)

If you thinking about going 450 in 2.4 and you already have FSK up on 2.4
and nothing abmormal with your noise floor then do it. You'll love it. The
450 is actually better because you can run 10-mhz channels to get around
some of the noise in 2.4 vs the FSK which was stuck at 20mhz

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Matt  wrote:

> So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
> that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
> connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.
>
>
> > We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
> > some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> > have not deployed more then couple test links.
> >
> > For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
> > you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
> >
> > For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?
>

Re: [AFMUG] hello cambium

[George Skorup]

Yeah, I don't think they could get away with the PTP rule on the 
downlink in 5.7. Talking to two SMs at the same time though, that will 
help with overall capacity.


On 6/7/2016 12:21 PM, Daniel White wrote:


Filtering and beamforming don’t really help in clean RF environments. 
But there is very little virgin 5GHz spectrum… so it should be a 
marked improvement.


The beta testers I’ve spoken with have seen dramatic improvements.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:06 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] hello cambium

I wouldn't say that's just a *little* more upload speed... but yeah, 
this is supposed to deal with a specific problem (noise at the AP).


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:53 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


The beam forming only helps the upload speed.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Keefe John > wrote:

That doesn't seem like that great of an improvement.� Just a
little more upload speed?

On 6/7/2016 10:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

�

I see this a lot on my stream

�

�

�

welcome beam forming?�� I'll watch the whole thing
later tonight

�

�


 
	Virus-free. www.avast.com 
 

Re: [AFMUG] hello cambium

[Daniel White]

Filtering and beamforming don’t really help in clean RF environments.  But 
there is very little virgin 5GHz spectrum… so it should be a marked improvement.



The beta testers I’ve spoken with have seen dramatic improvements.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hello cambium



I wouldn't say that's just a *little* more upload speed... but yeah, this is 
supposed to deal with a specific problem (noise at the AP).



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:53 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
   > wrote:

The beam forming only helps the upload speed.



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Keefe John  > wrote:

That doesn't seem like that great of an improvement.� Just a little more 
upload speed?



On 6/7/2016 10:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

�

I see this a lot on my stream

�



�

�

welcome beam forming?�� I'll watch the whole thing later tonight

�

�









---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Josh Luthman]

World of Warcraft is more of a job.  You play hours, get gold, exchange the
gold for USD.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> You should become a full time investor... LOL. People claimed it was a $75
> stock a couple years ago too.
>
> If you think you have the stock thing figured out, you would be the only
> person in the entire world. Even the big boys often lose millions, but they
> never talk about that... you only hear their success stories (Netflix and
> Icahn, etc.). The stock market has become a big "game" for people to
> play... like World of Warcraft, but with real money. Everyone is just
> playing against everyone else... there is no reason why a stock goes up or
> down at any given time anymore.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 9:54 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) wrote:
>
> Because I told people it was a double down at $27 and meant it.
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>   *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>
>
>
> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:37 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock has
> seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google analytics
> seeing the name come up more often and investors see that as a positive so
> they drop some cash?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Travis Johnson]

You should become a full time investor... LOL. People claimed it was a 
$75 stock a couple years ago too.


If you think you have the stock thing figured out, you would be the only 
person in the entire world. Even the big boys often lose millions, but 
they never talk about that... you only hear their success stories 
(Netflix and Icahn, etc.). The stock market has become a big "game" for 
people to play... like World of Warcraft, but with real money. Everyone 
is just playing against everyone else... there is no reason why a stock 
goes up or down at any given time anymore.


Travis


On 6/7/2016 9:54 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) wrote:

Because I told people it was a double down at $27 and meant it.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr. **
**Franklin, IN 46131 **
***
*317-738-0320  Daytime #*
*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
*Online: **www.surfici.net* 



Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!


On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:37 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their 
stock has seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just 
google analytics seeing the name come up more often and investors see 
that as a positive so they drop some cash?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Matt]

So has anyone moved a PMP100 2.4 cluster too PMP450 2.4 and how did
that go?  With PMP100 in 2.4 we do pretty good on near LOS
connections.  Only deployed PMP450 in 3.6 and 5ghz so far though.


> We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
> some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
> have not deployed more then couple test links.
>
> For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
> you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?
>
> For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?

Re: [AFMUG] i am kinda scared by this whitepaper....

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

ehhh.


https://www.tessco.com/yts/knowledge_center/su/pdfs/casestudybonnaroo.pdf


  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 11:28 AM
  Subject: i am kinda scared by this whitepaper



  ftp://ftp.d-link.co.za/d-linkftp/pdfs/caseStudies/cs_Bonnaroo.pdf

  So, I think i'm going.

  I just checked it out on google maps - looks like a nice tower in the middle 
of the place.
  Looks a lot like a firetower, actually.

  That being said, well, surely DLINK is not the wireless provider

  ?

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Mathew Howard]

Nah... if that happened the distributors would just be out of stock for the
next six months, and they'd still sell the same number :P

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe a flood of orders to replace bricked radios?
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 11:03 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock
>
> I thought maybe it was because of the new AmpliFi thingy... but is there
> ever a logical reason for the stock market to do what it does?
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)
>  wrote:
>
>> Because I told people it was a double down at $27 and meant it.
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>  *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>  *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>  *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>>
>>
>>
>> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:37 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock
>> has seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google analytics
>> seeing the name come up more often and investors see that as a positive so
>> they drop some cash?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe a flood of orders to replace bricked radios?

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 11:03 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

I thought maybe it was because of the new AmpliFi thingy... but is there ever a 
logical reason for the stock market to do what it does?


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
 wrote:

  Because I told people it was a double down at $27 and meant it.  


  Tyson Burris, President 
  Internet Communications Inc. 
  739 Commerce Dr. 
  Franklin, IN 46131 

  317-738-0320 Daytime # 
  317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
  Online: www.surfici.net



  Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!


  On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:37 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock has 
seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google analytics seeing 
the name come up more often and investors see that as a positive so they drop 
some cash?


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] i am kinda scared by this whitepaper....

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

ftp://ftp.d-link.co.za/d-linkftp/pdfs/caseStudies/cs_Bonnaroo.pdf

So, I think i'm going.

I just checked it out on google maps - looks like a nice tower in the middle of 
the place.
Looks a lot like a firetower, actually.

That being said, well, surely DLINK is not the wireless provider

?

Re: [AFMUG] hello cambium

[Mathew Howard]

I wouldn't say that's just a *little* more upload speed... but yeah, this
is supposed to deal with a specific problem (noise at the AP).

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:53 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> The beam forming only helps the upload speed.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> That doesn't seem like that great of an improvement.� Just a little
>> more upload speed?
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 10:32 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> �
>> I see this a lot on my stream
>> �
>> �
>> �
>> welcome beam forming?�� I'll watch the whole thing later tonight
>> �
>> �
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Mathew Howard]

I thought maybe it was because of the new AmpliFi thingy... but is there
ever a logical reason for the stock market to do what it does?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) <
t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

> Because I told people it was a double down at $27 and meant it.
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>  *Internet Communications Inc.*
>  *739 Commerce Dr.*
>  *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>
>
>
> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:37 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock has
> seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google analytics
> seeing the name come up more often and investors see that as a positive so
> they drop some cash?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)]

Because I told people it was a double down at $27 and meant it.  

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:37 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock has 
> seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google analytics seeing 
> the name come up more often and investors see that as a positive so they drop 
> some cash?
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Drop Cable

[David Kunat]

Superior Essex traceable 2 fiber drop, through millennium.

> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:50 AM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> Looking for inexpensive 2 - 6 fiber direct burial drop fiber with
> tracer wire.  1K - 6K foot or so.

Re: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[Adam Moffett]

I guess it means either that investors love malware, or that investors 
are completely unaware of malware.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 6/7/2016 11:37:51 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock 
has seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google 
analytics seeing the name come up more often and investors see that as 
a positive so they drop some cash?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 450i power

[Adam Moffett]

Does anyone happen to know if the PMP450i would work with -48v ?

[AFMUG] ot: ubnt stock

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

can somebody explain to me how since this ubnt fiasco hit, their stock has
seen a faster uptick than its prior trend? Is it just google analytics
seeing the name come up more often and investors see that as a positive so
they drop some cash?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

does that include from a stream?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  It will record 4 different real time programs simultaneously.


  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  I didn't see where you had to pay for the mini's in terms of a subscription...
  I would probably jump all over this if I felt I'd actually use it... lol

  If you find CNBC, could i set, say, the tivo to record say, mad money, at a 
certain time via streaming?

- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

I know you can run it as whole house DVR.  Not sure if it is the mini or 
what that  you use for the other locations.
I don’t believe there is any extra fee, but have not got that far yet.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


I see it works with tivo mini - which i just googled.  Can you run one tivo 
roamio and say three tivo minis and your whole family stream off the main box?  
 Would there be an extra fee?

(yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the morning, too)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube 
and a bunch more.  

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  So Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop on that.

   

  What other normally paid services do you get for FREE?

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

  Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost 
method as possible.

  Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.

  Not sure about AMC yet.

  Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO 
product but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

  I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

   

  TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 

   

  I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  

   

  From: Hardy, Tim 

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

  As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is 
$399 on the website, including lifetime service for the device.

   

   

   

  TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

   

  Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

  On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

   

   

   

  If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay $12/month.

   

  Travis

   

   

   

   

   

  On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

   

   

   

  How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

   

   

   

  Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have 
ever seen on any device.  

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

[AFMUG] hello cambium

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I see this a lot on my stream




welcome beam forming?   I'll watch the whole thing later tonight

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[Chuck McCown]

It will record 4 different real time programs simultaneously.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


I didn't see where you had to pay for the mini's in terms of a subscription...
I would probably jump all over this if I felt I'd actually use it... lol

If you find CNBC, could i set, say, the tivo to record say, mad money, at a 
certain time via streaming?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  I know you can run it as whole house DVR.  Not sure if it is the mini or what 
that  you use for the other locations.
  I don’t believe there is any extra fee, but have not got that far yet.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  I see it works with tivo mini - which i just googled.  Can you run one tivo 
roamio and say three tivo minis and your whole family stream off the main box?  
 Would there be an extra fee?

  (yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the morning, too)


- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube and 
a bunch more.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

So Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop on that.

 

What other normally paid services do you get for FREE?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost 
method as possible.

Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.

Not sure about AMC yet.

Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO product 
but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

 

TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 

 

I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  

 

From: Hardy, Tim 

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

 

As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is $399 
on the website, including lifetime service for the device.

 

 

 

TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

 

 

Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?

 

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

 

 

 

If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay $12/month.

 

Travis

 

 

 

 

 

On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 

 

 

How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 

 

 

Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have ever 
seen on any device.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I didn't see where you had to pay for the mini's in terms of a subscription...
I would probably jump all over this if I felt I'd actually use it... lol

If you find CNBC, could i set, say, the tivo to record say, mad money, at a 
certain time via streaming?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  I know you can run it as whole house DVR.  Not sure if it is the mini or what 
that  you use for the other locations.
  I don’t believe there is any extra fee, but have not got that far yet.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  I see it works with tivo mini - which i just googled.  Can you run one tivo 
roamio and say three tivo minis and your whole family stream off the main box?  
 Would there be an extra fee?

  (yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the morning, too)


- Original Message - 
From: Chuck McCown 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube and 
a bunch more.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

So Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop on that.

 

What other normally paid services do you get for FREE?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost 
method as possible.

Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.

Not sure about AMC yet.

Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO product 
but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

 

TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 

 

I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  

 

From: Hardy, Tim 

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

 

As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is $399 
on the website, including lifetime service for the device.

 

 

 

TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

 

 

Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?

 

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

 

 

 

If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay $12/month.

 

Travis

 

 

 

 

 

On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 

 

 

How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St

Suite 1337

Troy, OH 45373

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 

 

 

Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have ever 
seen on any device.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AFMUG] Fiber Drop Cable

[Matt]

Looking for inexpensive 2 - 6 fiber direct burial drop fiber with
tracer wire.  1K - 6K foot or so.

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[Chuck McCown]

I know you can run it as whole house DVR.  Not sure if it is the mini or what 
that  you use for the other locations.
I don’t believe there is any extra fee, but have not got that far yet.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 12:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


I see it works with tivo mini - which i just googled.  Can you run one tivo 
roamio and say three tivo minis and your whole family stream off the main box?  
 Would there be an extra fee?

(yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the morning, too)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube and a 
bunch more.  

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  So Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop on that.

   

  What other normally paid services do you get for FREE?

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

  Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost method 
as possible.

  Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.

  Not sure about AMC yet.

  Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO product 
but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

  I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

   

  TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 

   

  I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  

   

  From: Hardy, Tim 

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

  As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is $399 on 
the website, including lifetime service for the device.

   

   

   

  TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

   

  Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

  On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

   

   

   

  If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay $12/month.

   

  Travis

   

   

   

   

   

  On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

   

   

   

  How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

   

   

   

  Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have ever 
seen on any device.  

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[Chuck McCown]

I get 51 OTA channels where I live.
There are an infinite number of online, OTT etc sources available.
It makes an excellent box for Netflix, Hulu etc.
It is a good DVR.  

From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 7:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

So how many and what channels. Their website was supper slow to load and I 
didn’t see anything listed other than the products with not much info.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

There isn’t one.

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:09 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

 

How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have ever 
seen on any device.  

 

Re: [AFMUG] hello from Meaux France

[Lewis Bergman]

Say hi to my kid

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 7:37 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Looks like the southern hemisphere, everything is upside down.
>
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:42 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] hello from Meaux France
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] hello from Meaux France

[Ken Hohhof]

Looks like the southern hemisphere, everything is upside down.


From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:42 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] hello from Meaux France

[AFMUG] Looking for pair of mimo 2.4 antennas

[David]

I am looking to buy a used (or new) pair of 2.4ghz mimo antennas. For use
with the AF-2X. Will be a short shot, and the 24dBi rocket dish's are just
too big! Looking for something close to 18 dBi. Can be a directional panel
or a dish.

Thanks.

-- 
David Kunat

Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I see it works with tivo mini - which i just googled.  Can you run one tivo 
roamio and say three tivo minis and your whole family stream off the main box?  
 Would there be an extra fee?

(yes i read through the website but it is 2 in the morning, too)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio


  No, it just has a Hulu client inside and Netflix, Amazon, Vudu, YouTube and a 
bunch more.  

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 3:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

  So Hulu is FREE?   Or is it HULU PLUS?  I am out of the loop on that.

   

  What other normally paid services do you get for FREE?

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 4:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

  Trying to figure out how best to add some channels in the lowest cost method 
as possible.

  Showtime is on Hulu which is on TIVO.

  Not sure about AMC yet.

  Discovery seems to be the most difficult.  There is a Discovery GO product 
but I think I have to use a ROKU for that.  

  I made a spreadsheet of my favorite shows, their premier dates and the 
networks.  I have a few months to find the following:

   

  TLC, CNBC, AMC,  Showtime,  Discovery 

   

  I found a bootleg discovery running on a server in India.  

   

  From: Hardy, Tim 

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 2:44 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

  As I mentioned the other day the Roamio OTA with 500 gb hard drive is $399 on 
the website, including lifetime service for the device.

   

   

   

  TiVo Roamio™ OTA 1TB DVR - No Subscription Fees. Only $399‎

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:41 PM

  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TIVO Roamio

   

   

   

  Website looks like $499 model plus 14.99/mo?

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

  On Jun 6, 2016 4:21 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

   

   

   

  If you buy the $399 model, they have basically bundled the monthly 
subscription into the price. Or you can buy the $150 version and pay $12/month.

   

  Travis

   

   

   

   

   

  On 6/6/2016 2:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

   

   

   

  How is it you're getting around the monthly subscription?

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Josh Luthman

  Office: 937-552-2340

  Direct: 937-552-2343

  1100 Wayne St

  Suite 1337

  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

   

   

   

  Sound and image is better than on a Roku.  Best picture I think I have ever 
seen on any device.