Re: [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious

[Steve Jones]

...never sent me any

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> From Chile pods
>
> On May 5, 2017 8:32 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I finished off the bag last night.  What are the little seeds/grain in
>> the masa?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:40 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious
>>
>> Just warmed up a couple from batch wife made for you...Yum... Salud
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[Steve Jones]

do I read this correct, cambium shipped a product that didn't meet their
own spec?
are they making right, as in shipping replacements at no cost?
not being a dick, their reuse has always been phenomenal, even though they
to this day refuse to admit the Motorola 320 doesn't sync for ABAB


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:00 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Slide didn't come though. Picture the new ePMP 2000 sector antenna with a
> 450i AP turned backwards and mounted directly on the back of the sector.
> It's hawt. I want 3GHz too, Matt!
>
> On 5/5/2017 9:42 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>
> I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.
>
>
>
> Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90
> degree Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good
> enough to do frequency re-use.
>
>
>
> However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers
> ending in “B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed antenna
> attached (more like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 14”
> square flat panel).  This antenna was built with frequency re-use in mind,
> and is optimized for use with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 degree
> sector, and eliminates the need for jumper cables as George mentions.
>
>
>
> I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>
>
>
> Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough
> for gps sync according to cambium.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
> 5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
> pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
> redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
> trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
> really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
> another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
> just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
> to worry about with that.
>
> On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Yes.
> > But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> > Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
> >
> > So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> > greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
> >
> > Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> > 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
> > type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
> >
> > On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
> >> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
> >>
> >> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
> >> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
> >> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
> >> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
> >
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Steve Jones]

I like LAN players
They respect the fact that no matter what new wireless magic sauce comes
out, a string of copper will always beat it, and if they call me saying
theyre having an issue gaming I don't have to go over the kazillion reasons
why "no, your xbox in the basement connecting to your wireless router in
the garage wont work well"

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> That sounds like fun.
>
>
>
> I’m an Overwatch player myself.
>
>
>
> I used to ladder in HOTS at Platinum level 2v2, but now StarCraft II is
> pretty much dead to me.
>
>
>
> UT, that cracks me up. I was the champion at that FPS. And Quake and Doom,
> lol.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 5:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?
>
>
>
> LAN parties are alive and well in my town. Next LAN is in five weeks!
> Honestly, LAN party weekends beat out Thanksgiving for my favorite holiday.
>
>
>
> The atmosphere of LANs has definitely changed though. Ten years ago it was
> quite easy to get 30 nerds to play a particular game like Savage or UT
> together. Today gamer culture has become divided as genres are better
> defined.  You’ll have a few guys in one area playing Overwatch, Halo, or
> Call of Duty, more groups playing MOBAs like Dota/LoL, and then you have
> RPGs – WoW being the most popular. Gamers are no longer “Gamers.” They’re
> “RTS Gamers” or “MOBA Gamers” or “FPS Gamers”. Still, getting a bunch of
> people who abhor sunlight as much as I do for a weekend of nostalgia amidst
> a tangle of Cat5 is just as fun as it’s ever been.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?
>
>
>
> I do miss the communities and hidden adventure around BBSes, BBS
> gatherings, and LAN parties.
>
> - Josh
>
>
>
> On May 4, 2017 7:40 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Kermit
>
> Dial up
>
> BBSs
>
> Floppys
>
>
>
> Nah, not really, I don’t really miss any of that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:37 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?
>
>
>
> I miss the days when all you needed was Procomm with the fuchsia and
> yellow screen.
>
>
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:24 PM
>
> *To:* af
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?
>
>
>
> Just noticed this thread.
>
>
>
> I use "Bitvise SSH client" for my unix terminal needs.   I use Putty and
> TeraTerm as well.
>
>
>
> I also have used SecureCRT in the past, but I have a hard time paying what
> they're asking, especially since I found Bitvise (and the fact I'm not in a
> terminal window nearly as much as I used to be).
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that.
> Is there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
>
> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these
> two applications, just curious if there are even better solutions
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Water jet

[Steve Jones]

I am needing to have this right this moment
I wish I still had my ghetto paycheck from the IRS

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> And the best part is it is affordable.  I wish it would cut a little
> bigger.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017, 10:12 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> That's pretty awesome.
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > Have I been asleep?  This thing is way cool.
>> > https://www.wazer.com/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Jason McKemie]

I wouldn't say it is loud, just audible in a quiet room. Definitely sounds
like a transformer hum.

On Friday, May 5, 2017, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> We have a few of those, some of which I’ve gotten off Ebay, and even one
> locally that I picked up.
>
>
>
> I wouldn’t say they hum, but maybe I didn’t notice that.
>
>
>
> There might be something off with yours if it’s really loud while on AC
> power.
>
>
>
> You can purchase the harness kits from vendors or Alpha I think.
>
>
>
> I’ve gotten the battery harness kit and the temperature RJ14/11 cable
> after the fact.
>
>
>
> The only thing I couldn’t really find extra was the network module since
> it’s a module that has the whole fan/wiring assembly inside.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Keefe
> John
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 6:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000
>
>
>
> They have a large transformer so they might hum a bit. The battery
> connector is an Anderson connector.
>
> Keefe
>
> On May 5, 2017 5:49:23 PM CDT, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
> Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions though.
>
>
>
> Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?
>
>
>
> Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that is
> supposed to come with it.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Steve Jones]

I just ordered a bunch of various spinners, cause my kids into them, I got
them from china, I am not afraid of lead
but these things retail between 5 and 10 bucks... or more each. I can find
them for more than 150 for 100 in any of the models
good markup for any retail shop or ebay store when you only need to dump
10-20 percent of your inventory to ensure profit on a product
as long as youre insured for lead poisoning.

Looking at my desk, which is cluttered, I assume there are three guys on
this list whos desks aren't cluttered, the bulk of stuff in my desk, aside
from the reams of printouts I intend on reading but couldn't anyway because
Ive jotted so many notes on them are project components, a nut with a
bolts, a mechanical pencil stripped to its parts, a gigeapc with a couple
cutoff patch cables, some rj45 ends with the clips shoved inside each
other, a paperclip holder with a bunch of ferrous shit in it, a couple rare
earths, broken ink pens whose clickers still work, in other words a bunch
of junk I fidget with. 4 bearings in a housing with a set of bearing covers
is genius, even if they don't even have the complexity of two legos

anybody remember finger boards, the little skateboards... somebody became a
millionaire off those because back then china pretended they weren't
ripping everybody off. I just bought a 65 dollar raspberry pi 3 kit with
case, power supply, heat sinks, Bluetooth remote, 16gb card (think its a
bootleg?... lol)

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I bought a travel trailer about two months ago. It was only 5 years old
> but tires were sun rotted. Blew all four. Tore the crap out of everything.
>
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017, 5:17 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> It's amazing how much better car tires are
>>
>> Not just the grip/traction, but the reliability.   I remember how it was
>> not uncommon to have tire problems while growing up...it seemed like you
>> were changing a tire somewhere along the road way too often. Yet somehow
>> today it seems like I never have to change a tire.
>>
>> With that and the improved vehicle reliability, long road trips aren't
>> quite the adventure they used to be
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:52 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Some things are certainly better.  Car tires for one thing.
>>>
>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 1:49 PM
>>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
>>>
>> All you guys romancing about the good'ol days…
>>>
>>> Know what, today is better than yesterday!  Remember when slavery was a
>>> thing? When people traveled continents by boat? Hey even when you had to
>>> defend yourself against predators….
>>>
>>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:44 PM
>>>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
>>>
>> Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope toys at
>>> my grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy
 than this fidget spinner thingy.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Water jet

[Lewis Bergman]

And the best part is it is affordable.  I wish it would cut a little
bigger.

On Fri, May 5, 2017, 10:12 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> That's pretty awesome.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > Have I been asleep?  This thing is way cool.
> > https://www.wazer.com/
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Lewis Bergman]

I bought a travel trailer about two months ago. It was only 5 years old but
tires were sun rotted. Blew all four. Tore the crap out of everything.

On Fri, May 5, 2017, 5:17 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> It's amazing how much better car tires are
>
> Not just the grip/traction, but the reliability.   I remember how it was
> not uncommon to have tire problems while growing up...it seemed like you
> were changing a tire somewhere along the road way too often. Yet somehow
> today it seems like I never have to change a tire.
>
> With that and the improved vehicle reliability, long road trips aren't
> quite the adventure they used to be
>
> -forrest
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:52 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Some things are certainly better.  Car tires for one thing.
>>
>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 1:49 PM
>>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
>>
> All you guys romancing about the good'ol days…
>>
>> Know what, today is better than yesterday!  Remember when slavery was a
>> thing? When people traveled continents by boat? Hey even when you had to
>> defend yourself against predators….
>>
>>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:44 PM
>>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>
>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
>>
> Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope toys at
>> my grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.
>>
>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy than
>>> this fidget spinner thingy.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Water jet

[Josh Reynolds]

That's pretty awesome.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> Have I been asleep?  This thing is way cool.
> https://www.wazer.com/

[AFMUG] Water jet

[Lewis Bergman]

Have I been asleep?  This thing is way cool.
https://www.wazer.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Sterling Jacobson]

We have a few of those, some of which I’ve gotten off Ebay, and even one 
locally that I picked up.

I wouldn’t say they hum, but maybe I didn’t notice that.

There might be something off with yours if it’s really loud while on AC power.

You can purchase the harness kits from vendors or Alpha I think.

I’ve gotten the battery harness kit and the temperature RJ14/11 cable after the 
fact.

The only thing I couldn’t really find extra was the network module since it’s a 
module that has the whole fan/wiring assembly inside.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

They have a large transformer so they might hum a bit. The battery connector is 
an Anderson connector.

Keefe
On May 5, 2017 5:49:23 PM CDT, Jason McKemie 
> 
wrote:
Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions though.

Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?

Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that is 
supposed to come with it.


--
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Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Sterling Jacobson]

That sounds like fun.

I’m an Overwatch player myself.

I used to ladder in HOTS at Platinum level 2v2, but now StarCraft II is pretty 
much dead to me.

UT, that cracks me up. I was the champion at that FPS. And Quake and Doom, lol.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

LAN parties are alive and well in my town. Next LAN is in five weeks! Honestly, 
LAN party weekends beat out Thanksgiving for my favorite holiday.

The atmosphere of LANs has definitely changed though. Ten years ago it was 
quite easy to get 30 nerds to play a particular game like Savage or UT 
together. Today gamer culture has become divided as genres are better defined.  
You’ll have a few guys in one area playing Overwatch, Halo, or Call of Duty, 
more groups playing MOBAs like Dota/LoL, and then you have RPGs – WoW being the 
most popular. Gamers are no longer “Gamers.” They’re “RTS Gamers” or “MOBA 
Gamers” or “FPS Gamers”. Still, getting a bunch of people who abhor sunlight as 
much as I do for a weekend of nostalgia amidst a tangle of Cat5 is just as fun 
as it’s ever been.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

I do miss the communities and hidden adventure around BBSes, BBS gatherings, 
and LAN parties.
- Josh

On May 4, 2017 7:40 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
Kermit
Dial up
BBSs
Floppys

Nah, not really, I don’t really miss any of that.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

I miss the days when all you needed was Procomm with the fuchsia and yellow 
screen.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:24 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

Just noticed this thread.

I use "Bitvise SSH client" for my unix terminal needs.   I use Putty and 
TeraTerm as well.

I also have used SecureCRT in the past, but I have a hard time paying what 
they're asking, especially since I found Bitvise (and the fact I'm not in a 
terminal window nearly as much as I used to be).

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that. Is 
there any better set of tools for the windows environment?
Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these two 
applications, just curious if there are even better solutions



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Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Keefe John]

They have a large transformer so they might hum a bit. The battery connector is 
an Anderson connector.

Keefe

On May 5, 2017 5:49:23 PM CDT, Jason McKemie  
wrote:
>Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions
>though.
>
>Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?
>
>Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that
>is
>supposed to come with it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Josh Luthman]

Oh gotcha, thanks

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 5, 2017 5:13 PM, "Darren Shea"  wrote:

> There is a known bug which truncates the uptime in the home page to chop
> off the days. That would account for the uptime/session uptime discrepancy
> (actually 9 days, 15 minutes, which gets rounded to 9 days in the
> Monitor->Wireless screen
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, May 05, 2017 8:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?
>
>
>
> Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?
>
>
>
> http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Chris Wright]

LAN parties are alive and well in my town. Next LAN is in five weeks! Honestly, 
LAN party weekends beat out Thanksgiving for my favorite holiday.

 

The atmosphere of LANs has definitely changed though. Ten years ago it was 
quite easy to get 30 nerds to play a particular game like Savage or UT 
together. Today gamer culture has become divided as genres are better defined.  
You’ll have a few guys in one area playing Overwatch, Halo, or Call of Duty, 
more groups playing MOBAs like Dota/LoL, and then you have RPGs – WoW being the 
most popular. Gamers are no longer “Gamers.” They’re “RTS Gamers” or “MOBA 
Gamers” or “FPS Gamers”. Still, getting a bunch of people who abhor sunlight as 
much as I do for a weekend of nostalgia amidst a tangle of Cat5 is just as fun 
as it’s ever been.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

 

I do miss the communities and hidden adventure around BBSes, BBS gatherings, 
and LAN parties.

- Josh

 

On May 4, 2017 7:40 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Kermit

Dial up 

BBSs

Floppys

 

Nah, not really, I don’t really miss any of that.  

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:37 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

 

I miss the days when all you needed was Procomm with the fuchsia and yellow 
screen.  

 

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:24 PM

To: af 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

 

Just noticed this thread. 

 

I use "Bitvise SSH client" for my unix terminal needs.   I use Putty and 
TeraTerm as well.

 

I also have used SecureCRT in the past, but I have a hard time paying what 
they're asking, especially since I found Bitvise (and the fact I'm not in a 
terminal window nearly as much as I used to be).

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will own that. Is 
there any better set of tools for the windows environment?

Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done with these two 
applications, just curious if there are even better solutions





 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com |   http://www.packetflux.com

  
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[AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Jason McKemie]

Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions though.

Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?

Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that is
supposed to come with it.

Re: [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious

[Jaime Solorza]

>From Chile pods

On May 5, 2017 8:32 AM,  wrote:

> I finished off the bag last night.  What are the little seeds/grain in the
> masa?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:40 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious
>
> Just warmed up a couple from batch wife made for you...Yum... Salud
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Bill Prince]

I concur on the tires. Way, way better.

However. In the other direction is the quality of land line phone 
service. I don't know about elsewhere, but in our rural setting, the 
landline phone service has completely fallen off the cliff. It's worse 
because whatever phone company does not want to spend a dime on 
repairing the old phone lines. Even worse than that, many of the places 
it's impossible to get any kind of internet service (including ours). 
People buried in acres of 200-300+ foot tall trees and it's nearly 
impossible to get POTS, or internet, or even satellite-type service.



bp


On 5/5/2017 3:17 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

It's amazing how much better car tires are

Not just the grip/traction, but the reliability.   I remember how it 
was not uncommon to have tire problems while growing up...it seemed 
like you were changing a tire somewhere along the road way too often. 
Yet somehow today it seems like I never have to change a tire.


With that and the improved vehicle reliability, long road trips aren't 
quite the adventure they used to be


-forrest

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:52 PM, > wrote:


Some things are certainly better.  Car tires for one thing.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 1:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
All you guys romancing about the good'ol days…
Know what, today is better than yesterday! Remember when slavery
was a thing? When people traveled continents by boat? Hey even
when you had to defend yourself against predators….
From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:44 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope
toys at my grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:

I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much
better toy than this fidget spinner thingy.




--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Cameron Crum]

Was just talking to my son about this today as an enterprise he could make
into a little business.



On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> I purchased two 3D printers about three months ago and started making
> various spinners and selling them at my wife's toy store. We have sold over
> 1,000 of them and more than paid for the printers and made a profit. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 5/5/2017 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.� I think that was a much better toy than
> this fidget spinner thingy.�
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

It's amazing how much better car tires are

Not just the grip/traction, but the reliability.   I remember how it was
not uncommon to have tire problems while growing up...it seemed like you
were changing a tire somewhere along the road way too often. Yet somehow
today it seems like I never have to change a tire.

With that and the improved vehicle reliability, long road trips aren't
quite the adventure they used to be

-forrest

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:52 PM,  wrote:

> Some things are certainly better.  Car tires for one thing.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 1:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
>
> All you guys romancing about the good'ol days…
>
> Know what, today is better than yesterday!  Remember when slavery was a
> thing? When people traveled continents by boat? Hey even when you had to
> defend yourself against predators….
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:44 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy
>
> Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope toys at
> my grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy than
>> this fidget spinner thingy.
>>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Robert Andrews]

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On 05/05/2017 02:22 PM, Darren Shea wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

[Darren Shea]

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-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 9:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?

Where's the thumbs up icon in email...?


On 5/4/17 6:04 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
> Some of us still use xterm under Linux... What is this Windows thing 
> you speak of?
>
> On 5/4/17 5:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Kermit
>> Dial up
>> BBSs
>> Floppys
>>
>> Nah, not really, I don’t really miss any of that.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?
>>
>> I miss the days when all you needed was Procomm with the fuchsia and 
>> yellow screen.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:24 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Putty, is there any better?
>>
>> Just noticed this thread.
>>
>> I use "Bitvise SSH client" for my unix terminal needs.   I use Putty
>> and TeraTerm as well.
>>
>> I also have used SecureCRT in the past, but I have a hard time paying 
>> what they're asking, especially since I found Bitvise (and the fact 
>> I'm not in a terminal window nearly as much as I used to be).
>>
>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Steve Jones 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I use the shit out of putty (and winSCP) I'm a GUI gimp, I will
>> own that. Is there any better set of tools for the windows
>> environment?
>> Not Complaining at all, or looking to change, I get a ton done
>> with these two applications, just curious if there are even better
>> solutions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 
>>   
>>  
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Darren Shea]

There is a known bug which truncates the uptime in the home page to chop off 
the days. That would account for the uptime/session uptime discrepancy 
(actually 9 days, 15 minutes, which gets rounded to 9 days in the 
Monitor->Wireless screen

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 8:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

 

Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?

 

http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Rory McCann]

Go to your Amazon "My Account" page, go to "Prime" and at the bottom you 
should see "Share your Prime benefits"


You can only share it with 4 other people, however you can add/revoke at 
any time.


Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 5/5/2017 11:55 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so I know 
it works.  I think it's called 'Household.'


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke > wrote:


That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?

On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main
account holder gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though. 
All friends/family receive other Prime benefits with their own

logins.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:

I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone
have amazon setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk
between multiple people.  Like the boss and I and the wife
can all order things and get free shipping?  We've done it
before with just sharing the login, but now with 2 step
authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not
to mention, it skews the search and recommended results since
we all search for different things.  I tried setting up
Amazon business, but it doesn't let the Prime shipping flow
down to users other than the primary. Amazon household looks
like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of Amazon?

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[George Skorup]

Slide didn't come though. Picture the new ePMP 2000 sector antenna with 
a 450i AP turned backwards and mounted directly on the back of the 
sector. It's hawt. I want 3GHz too, Matt!


On 5/5/2017 9:42 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:


I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.

Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 
degree Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not 
good enough to do frequency re-use.


However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers 
ending in “B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed 
antenna attached (more like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather 
than a 14” square flat panel).  This antenna was built with frequency 
re-use in mind, and is optimized for use with the 450i platform.  It 
is a true 90 degree sector, and eliminates the need for jumper cables 
as George mentions.


I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).

Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good 
enough for gps sync according to cambium.


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup > wrote:


Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity.
Really
trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll
probably
just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No
coaxes
to worry about with that.

On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Yes.
> But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>
> So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
>
> Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular
amp/repeater
> type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with
bi-directional Tx.
>
> On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>>
>> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a
good
>> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
>> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
>> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
>

--

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com 



507-634-WiFi

 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] problems sending to the list

[George Skorup]

Yup. Our domain is on G Suite, so SPF and DKIM are mandatory and it 
works fine.


I think the suggestion in the past has been to unsubscribe from the 
list, subscribe again and make sure you follow the Amazon instructions 
to allow posting from your address.


On 5/5/2017 8:26 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Never had an issue since we started on Amazon's service.  I use Gmail.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Ryan Ray > wrote:


Nope

Sent while mobile


> On May 4, 2017, at 10:24 PM, dsd gfryh > wrote:
>
> Has anyone had problems sending to AFMUG?
> I can see the emails in the archive but they don't send to other
users. (from a different address obviously.) I have checked RDNS
and ensured the records match. I have included the AFMUG Amazon
email server in the SPF records.

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[chuck]

Need to make an electric version using a HDD motor.  Little power pack to spin 
it up.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

I purchased two 3D printers about three months ago and started making various 
spinners and selling them at my wife's toy store. We have sold over 1,000 of 
them and more than paid for the printers and made a profit. :)

Travis



On 5/5/2017 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.� I think that was a much better toy than 
this fidget spinner thingy.� 

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Travis Johnson]

I purchased two 3D printers about three months ago and started making 
various spinners and selling them at my wife's toy store. We have sold 
over 1,000 of them and more than paid for the printers and made a profit. :)


Travis


On 5/5/2017 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy 
than this fidget spinner thingy.

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[chuck]

Some things are certainly better.  Car tires for one thing.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

All you guys romancing about the good'ol days… 

Know what, today is better than yesterday!  Remember when slavery was a thing? 
When people traveled continents by boat? Hey even when you had to defend 
yourself against predators…. 

From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:44 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy


Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope toys at my 
grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.



  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:

  I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy than this 
fidget spinner thingy.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Gino A. Villarini]

All you guys romancing about the good'ol days…

Know what, today is better than yesterday!  Remember when slavery was a thing? 
When people traveled continents by boat? Hey even when you had to defend 
yourself against predators….

From: Af > on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:44 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope toys at my 
grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM, > wrote:
I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy than this 
fidget spinner thingy.

Re: [AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[Jason McKemie]

Definitely. I remember playing with one of my dad's old gyroscope toys at
my grandma's.  Wish I knew what happened to that.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:35 PM,  wrote:

> I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy than
> this fidget spinner thingy.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTish: Voucher Design

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

https://www.fiverr.com/search/gigs?utf8=%E2%9C%93=doers-guest-homepage-search=en_in=everywhere=gift+certificate+

https://www.amazon.com/Richards-Company-Numbering-Impression-SPR80057/dp/B0008GQILG/ref=sr_1_1?s=office-products=UTF8=1494013127=1-1=numbering+machine=p_72%3A1248946011

On May 5, 2017 9:26 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

The old lady is a hairdresser, or cosmetologist, or whatever they made me
pay 16 grand to get her a license to cut hair and do nails is called.

I need to make her some marketing vouchers for services. Id much prefer
better than ms paint and a printer.

Is there a decent, sub 100 dollar software package to design these (need
serials on the vouchers), or a good online service that does quality
product with quick turnaround like one of the 40 billion business card
websites. I do need to have them serialized if possible.

[AFMUG] OT spinner toy

[chuck]

I had a toy gyroscope as a kid.  I think that was a much better toy than this 
fidget spinner thingy.  

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Lewis Bergman]

I habe a  Amazon prime business account. Every employee has a separate
login and credit card.  A few have different shipping addresses.  I have it
set so they can buy whatever they want valued less than $50. More than that
and it requires my approval.

On Fri, May 5, 2017, 1:52 PM  wrote:

> We are all brothers.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 12:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime
>
>
> Who says a relative is a friend?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/5/2017 11:39 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Who says the friend doesn't live in the same house?
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Is it a violation of the terms to let non family non household use it?
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so I know it
>>> works.  I think it's called 'Household.'
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?

 On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

 You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account
 holder gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family
 receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.

 On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon
> setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple people.
> Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free
> shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 
> 2
> step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
> mention, it skews the search and recommended results since we all search
> for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't
> let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon
> household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of
> Amazon?
>




>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[chuck]

We are all brothers.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

Who says a relative is a friend?


bp


On 5/5/2017 11:39 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

  Who says the friend doesn't live in the same house?

  On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

Is it a violation of the terms to let non family non household use it?

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

  No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so I know it 
works.  I think it's called 'Household.'

  On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?


On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

  You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account 
holder gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family 
receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.

  On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  
wrote:

I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have 
amazon setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple 
people.  Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free 
shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 2 
step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to mention, 
it skews the search and recommended results since we all search for different 
things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't let the Prime 
shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon household looks 
like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of Amazon?

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Bill Prince]

Who says a relative is a friend?

bp


On 5/5/2017 11:39 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

Who says the friend doesn't live in the same house?

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


Is it a violation of the terms to let non family non household use it?

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Baird > wrote:

No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so
I know it works.  I think it's called 'Household.'

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke
> wrote:

That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?

On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

You can share accounts with family/friends. Only the main
account holder gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music,
though.  All friends/family receive other Prime benefits
with their own logins.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke
> wrote:

I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does
anyone have amazon setup to be able to share the
prime shipping perk between multiple people.  Like
the boss and I and the wife can all order things and
get free shipping?  We've done it before with just
sharing the login, but now with 2 step authentication
and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
mention, it skews the search and recommended results
since we all search for different things.  I tried
setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't let the
Prime shipping flow down to users other than the
primary. Amazon household looks like it only allows 2
users.  Is this just the nature of Amazon?

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Josh Baird]

Who says the friend doesn't live in the same house?

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is it a violation of the terms to let non family non household use it?
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so I know it
>> works.  I think it's called 'Household.'
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?
>>>
>>> On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>
>>> You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account
>>> holder gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family
>>> receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon
 setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple people.
 Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free
 shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 2
 step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
 mention, it skews the search and recommended results since we all search
 for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't
 let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon
 household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of
 Amazon?

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Steve Jones]

Is it a violation of the terms to let non family non household use it?

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so I know it
> works.  I think it's called 'Household.'
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?
>>
>> On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account holder
>> gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family
>> receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.
>>
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon
>>> setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple people.
>>> Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free
>>> shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 2
>>> step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
>>> mention, it skews the search and recommended results since we all search
>>> for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't
>>> let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon
>>> household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of
>>> Amazon?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Josh Baird]

No idea - but I'm actually on someone else's Prime account, so I know it
works.  I think it's called 'Household.'

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?
>
> On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account holder
> gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family
> receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon
>> setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple people.
>> Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free
>> shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 2
>> step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
>> mention, it skews the search and recommended results since we all search
>> for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't
>> let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon
>> household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of
>> Amazon?
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Nate Burke]

That's exactly what I want.  Where do you set that?

On 5/5/2017 11:00 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account 
holder gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All 
friends/family receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.


On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have
amazon setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between
multiple people.  Like the boss and I and the wife can all order
things and get free shipping?  We've done it before with just
sharing the login, but now with 2 step authentication and the
extra security, it's just a pain. Not to mention, it skews the
search and recommended results since we all search for different
things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't let
the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary. 
Amazon household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just

the nature of Amazon?

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Josh Baird]

You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account holder
gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family
receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon
> setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple people.
> Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free
> shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 2
> step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
> mention, it skews the search and recommended results since we all search
> for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't
> let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon
> household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of
> Amazon?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Josh Baird]

You can share accounts with family/friends.  Only the main account holder
gets access to Amazon Prime Video/Music, though.  All friends/family
receive other Prime benefits with their own logins.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon
> setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple people.
> Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get free
> shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but now with 2
> step authentication and the extra security, it's just a pain.  Not to
> mention, it skews the search and recommended results since we all search
> for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, but it doesn't
> let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the primary.  Amazon
> household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this just the nature of
> Amazon?
>

[AFMUG] Sharing Amazon Prime

[Nate Burke]

I don't think I'm trying to cheat Amazon, but does anyone have amazon 
setup to be able to share the prime shipping perk between multiple 
people.  Like the boss and I and the wife can all order things and get 
free shipping?  We've done it before with just sharing the login, but 
now with 2 step authentication and the extra security, it's just a 
pain.  Not to mention, it skews the search and recommended results since 
we all search for different things.  I tried setting up Amazon business, 
but it doesn't let the Prime shipping flow down to users other than the 
primary.  Amazon household looks like it only allows 2 users.  Is this 
just the nature of Amazon?

Re: [AFMUG] OTish: Voucher Design

[Cameron Crum]

might be better to do them at something like vistaprint and then make
mailing labels or something with the serial numbers on them and stick them
to each one.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Simplest would be to use MS Word (or similar) and mail-merge.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/5/2017 8:26 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> The old lady is a hairdresser, or cosmetologist, or whatever they made me
>> pay 16 grand to get her a license to cut hair and do nails is called.
>>
>> I need to make her some marketing vouchers for services. Id much prefer
>> better than ms paint and a printer.
>>
>> Is there a decent, sub 100 dollar software package to design these (need
>> serials on the vouchers), or a good online service that does quality
>> product with quick turnaround like one of the 40 billion business card
>> websites. I do need to have them serialized if possible.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OTish: Voucher Design

[Bill Prince]

Simplest would be to use MS Word (or similar) and mail-merge.


bp


On 5/5/2017 8:26 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The old lady is a hairdresser, or cosmetologist, or whatever they made 
me pay 16 grand to get her a license to cut hair and do nails is called.


I need to make her some marketing vouchers for services. Id much 
prefer better than ms paint and a printer.


Is there a decent, sub 100 dollar software package to design these 
(need serials on the vouchers), or a good online service that does 
quality product with quick turnaround like one of the 40 billion 
business card websites. I do need to have them serialized if possible.

[AFMUG] OTish: Voucher Design

[Steve Jones]

The old lady is a hairdresser, or cosmetologist, or whatever they made me
pay 16 grand to get her a license to cut hair and do nails is called.

I need to make her some marketing vouchers for services. Id much prefer
better than ms paint and a printer.

Is there a decent, sub 100 dollar software package to design these (need
serials on the vouchers), or a good online service that does quality
product with quick turnaround like one of the 40 billion business card
websites. I do need to have them serialized if possible.

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[Matt Mangriotis]

I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.

Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 degree 
Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good enough to 
do frequency re-use.

However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers ending in 
“B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed antenna attached (more 
like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 14” square flat panel).  
This antenna was built with frequency re-use in mind, and is optimized for use 
with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 degree sector, and eliminates the need 
for jumper cables as George mentions.

I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for gps 
sync according to cambium.
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup 
> wrote:
Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
to worry about with that.

On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Yes.
> But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>
> So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
>
> Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
> type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
>
> On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
>> Behalf Of George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>>
>> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
>> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
>> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
>> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
>
--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious

[chuck]

I finished off the bag last night.  What are the little seeds/grain in the masa?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:40 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious

Just warmed up a couple from batch wife made for you...Yum... Salud

Re: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Steve Jones]

I think that the whole issue has to do with the nanobots they have running
the controls in the radios, theyve achieved self awareness. This time thing
and the fact that the distances fluctuates by a half mile or more is
evidence enough that the units are actually moving and self generating
power, its only a matter of time until they discover an unpatched UBNT on
our networks and create a C to control our customers IOT and we all
become enslaved by the cambium radio mites

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's not cool :(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I think this is Holy Grail of RF Software.  The radios can now tell us
>> when in the future they will have problems.  You have 9 days until this SM
>> will have problems.
>>
>> On 5/5/2017 8:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Uptime from beyond the 5th dimension
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com"  
>> Sent: 5/5/2017 9:46:06 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?
>>
>> Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Josh Luthman]

That's not cool :(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I think this is Holy Grail of RF Software.  The radios can now tell us
> when in the future they will have problems.  You have 9 days until this SM
> will have problems.
>
> On 5/5/2017 8:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Uptime from beyond the 5th dimension
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com"  
> Sent: 5/5/2017 9:46:06 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?
>
> Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

[Darin Steffl]

Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for
gps sync according to cambium.
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
> 5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
> pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
> redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
> trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
> really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
> another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
> just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
> to worry about with that.
>
> On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Yes.
> > But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> > Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
> >
> > So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> > greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
> >
> > Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> > 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
> > type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
> >
> > On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
> >> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
> >>
> >> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
> >> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
> >> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
> >> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
> >
>
> --
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Nate Burke]

I think this is Holy Grail of RF Software.  The radios can now tell us 
when in the future they will have problems.  You have 9 days until this 
SM will have problems.


On 5/5/2017 8:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Uptime from beyond the 5th dimension


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 5/5/2017 9:46:06 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?


Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?

http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Adam Moffett]

Uptime from beyond the 5th dimension


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/5/2017 9:46:06 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?


Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?

http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Uptime bug with ePMP?

[Josh Luthman]

Booted 15 minutes ago, scanned 2 days ago, connected for 9 days.  What?

http://i.imgur.com/FpMBjrg.png

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] problems sending to the list

[Josh Luthman]

Never had an issue since we started on Amazon's service.  I use Gmail.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Nope
>
> Sent while mobile
>
>
> > On May 4, 2017, at 10:24 PM, dsd gfryh  wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone had problems sending to AFMUG?
> > I can see the emails in the archive but they don't send to other users.
> (from a different address obviously.) I have checked RDNS and ensured the
> records match. I have included the AFMUG Amazon email server in the SPF
> records.
>

Re: [AFMUG] On Topic: Yes Chuck they are delicious

[Josh Luthman]

Hah :)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Nope...I enjoy my Tecate...I will not stay quiet on this topic...ever
>
> On May 4, 2017 10:08 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> But you ruined it with thatwhatever they call that drink (it ain't
>> beer!)
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Just warmed up a couple from batch wife made for you...Yum... Salud
>>>
>>
>>