Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Rory Conaway]

And what channel are you on?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

U.  What?

Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:39, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different than 
the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as possible for 
fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The highest channel 
has the least amount of rain fade.

Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be 
part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to 
protect the environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly 
reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less 
so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and 
others.




On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience.  
So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces.

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up.

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours.

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly.

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all.

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP







From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

 
From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Robert]

http://accesspoint.hu/files/xinha/radio_full_.png

Is that really it?  Doubt it's hot glue, but still?

On 10/19/17 3:36 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Good stuff, Rory, good stuff..


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No
different than the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as
much headroom as possible for fade.  Second, is the issue of which
channel you select. The highest channel has the least amount of rain
fade.

Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t
even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was
a feature to protect the environment.

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 


*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

__ __

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but
expensive. Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz
competition from SIAE, Siklu and others.

__ __

__ __

__ __

__ __

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a
good experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that
band.  And I am in Utah



*From:*Eric Kuhnke 

*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by
IgniteNet's silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap
stuff... 



Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive,
carrier grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good
for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a
Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that
have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that
take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have
dedicated management interfaces. 



"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as
$15,000 80 GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of
whom don't consider themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that
happen to use PTP millimeter wave when it is necessary or
justified.



I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen
photos of one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad
60 GHz dongle hot glued to a plastic thing in front of a
reflector. Scary.











On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this
band.  Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the
switchover mechanism it would be a contender. 



*From:*Matt Hoppes 

*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Let me back up. __ __



We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally
holds up during torrential down pours. 



Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 



The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to
time. The problem for me is the fail over does not happen
properly. 



It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish.
Don't expect too much out of it. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway
>
wrote:

How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And
 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

I appreciate all the intel.  Thanks everyone.


-- Original Message --
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 6:38:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Let me back up.

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up 
during torrential down pours.


Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The 
problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.


It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect 
too much out of it.


On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does 
not fail over seemleasly at all.




There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then 
it sometimes flips.



On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this 
stuff and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable 
data.




From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly 
more than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to 
fade, but at 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden 
himself took offense to your client.




http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for 
rain?






-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq




Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Josh Baird]

Good stuff, Rory, good stuff..


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different
> than the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as
> possible for fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The
> highest channel has the least amount of rain fade.
>
> Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even
> be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to
> protect the environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
> highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive.
> Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from
> SIAE, Siklu and others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good
> experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am
> in Utah
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>
>
>
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
> have dedicated management interfaces.
>
>
>
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>
>
>
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would
> be a contender.
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Let me back up.
>
>
>
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
> torrential down pours.
>
>
>
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>
>
>
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>
>
>
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too
> much out of it.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>
>
>
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
> sometimes flips.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
> complaining.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> *Midwest Internet Exchange*
>
> *The Brothers WISP*
>
>
>
> 
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <*ch...@wbmfg.com *>
> *To: **af@afmug.com *
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>
> *To:* *af@afmug.com *
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> *https://transition.fcc.gov/
> Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf*
>
> page 7 vs. page 15
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> *Intelligent Computing Solutions*
>

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

[Mathew Howard]

That's been driving me nuts too... I just started pointing SNMP to an IP on
a specific interface instead of the loopback IP (like the IP address on
ether1 in George's example), and that's mostly worked, but it's not ideal.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I haven't tried this method yet, I'll have to test it out.  What I do is
> just set a Static 0.0.0.0/0 route with the gateway on each Backhaul with
> a different routing mark.
>
> firewall/mangle
> mark Connection, chain Input, UDP port 161, set In Interface of Backhaul
> Mark Routing, Chain Output, Check Connection mark from above.
>
> 2 rules for Each backhaul link  Since it's only looking at Input 161, no
> extra CPU overhead.
>
>
>
> On 10/19/2017 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> SRC NAT the SNMP port to the loopback IP.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup" 
> 
> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:12:12 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP
>
> I know Nate has mentioned this before. Wondering if there's a solution.
> This has been driving me nuts for years.
>
> A large/complicated OSPF design may have some asymmetric paths between A
> and Z. But the problem comes down to asymmetry at the router you're
> trying to poll.
> For example, SNMP polling a router to its loopback IP, requests come in
> on say ether1, but the replies go out ether2 = SNMP timeout. In and out
> same interface works fine.
> Everything else to the router works fine, like WWW, telnet, winbox, etc.
> but obviously those are TCP, so this has me wondering if it's a UDP
> thing or just SNMP...?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

U.  What?

Our links are aligned. The issue is the failover does not work properly. 

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 19:39, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different 
> than the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as 
> possible for fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The 
> highest channel has the least amount of rain fade.
> 
> Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be 
> part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to 
> protect the environment.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly 
> reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less 
> so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and 
> others.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience. 
>  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah
>  
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
> USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... 
>  
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
> fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability 
> at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in 
> places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that 
> take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated 
> management interfaces.
>  
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
> links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter 
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>  
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
> disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
> plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be 
> a contender. 
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Let me back up.
>  
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
> torrential down pours.
>  
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>  
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>  
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
> much out of it.
> 
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>  
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
> sometimes flips.
> 
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
> complaining.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
> 
> page 7 vs. page 15
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Between 50-80GHz, 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[Mathew Howard]

I could see it making sense to move management gear to IPv6 eventually, but
the only real reason that I could see why I'd want to do that would be if I
wasn't using IPv4 for management at all... and it's probably not something
that's going to be in widespread use any time soon.

Currently, the vast majority of our device management is on private IPv4
addresses, and I like it that way. If for some reason, I needed to have
management interfaces on public IPs, then I would certainly want to start
looking at using IPv6 for that, but at this point, I really have no desire
to put things on public IPs that don't need to be, anyway.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 6:34 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> IMO, dual stack or forget IPv6 entirely.
>
> On 10/19/2017 6:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> So, after the response to me mentioning https:// for device management, I
> figured I'd ask about the following:
>
> How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...Does anyone see
> any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4, at
> least in the near term?
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[can...@believewireless.net]

I don't think we'd use it for management on our equipment. I think sticking
with v4 for it's simplicity
is better. Much easier to remember a v4 private address space over a v6
address. Once we get
over a couple billion devices, I'm sure we'll reconsider.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/19/17 16:20, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...Does anyone
>> see any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4,
>> at least in the near term?
>>
>
>
> I use it. Probably the minority though.
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mathew Howard]

I don't believe that anyone could align these properly just using the
scopes. On a 1 mile link, you pretty much have to use the scope to even get
them to link, but you need to fine tune them after that, and in my
experience anyway, the scope doesn't align exactly the same on any two
radios. If I had just centered the crosshairs on the opposite end and
called it a day, I would've been at least 10db below what I ended up with.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Sam Beiler is able to align these using scopes at one mile without
> revisiting either side.
>
> 
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 15:18, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
> I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a
> variety of mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel
> like is dozens of times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the
> platforms I'm on.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for
> the mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless
> suffering.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
> make everyone order the decent ones.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Chris Wright" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets
> and alignment scope.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>
>
>
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>
>
>
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/19/17 16:39, Rory Conaway wrote:
Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t 
even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a 
feature to protect the environment.


Burn.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Rory Conaway]

I echo what Eric is saying.  Part of the issue is alignment.  No different than 
the AirFibers.  You have to make sure you have as much headroom as possible for 
fade.  Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The highest channel 
has the least amount of rain fade.

Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even be 
part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to 
protect the environment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly 
reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat less 
so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu and 
others.




On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience.  
So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces.

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up.

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours.

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly.

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all.

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP




From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mathew Howard]

We have two Metrolinq links running at slightly under a mile each... rain
fade is a bit worse than an airfiber 24ghz link running going twice the
distance. At 300 meters, I would be surprised if it ever had any major
issues... also, keep in mind that there's a very big difference between the
highest and lowest channels on these things, as far as oxygen absorption
goes.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
> highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive.
> Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from
> SIAE, Siklu and others.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good
>> experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am
>> in Utah
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
>> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>>
>> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
>> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
>> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
>> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
>> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
>> have dedicated management interfaces.
>>
>> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
>> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
>> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
>> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>>
>> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
>> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
>> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.
>>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it
>>> would be a contender.
>>>
>>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>>
>>> Let me back up.
>>>
>>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
>>> torrential down pours.
>>>
>>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>>
>>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The
>>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>>
>>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect
>>> too much out of it.
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>>
>>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does
>>> not fail over seemleasly at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then
>>> it sometimes flips.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
>>> complaining.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>>
>>> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
>>> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[George Skorup]

IMO, dual stack or forget IPv6 entirely.

On 10/19/2017 6:20 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
So, after the response to me mentioning https:// for device 
management, I figured I'd ask about the following:


How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at... Does anyone 
see any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of 
IPv4, at least in the near term?


--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/19/17 16:20, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...    Does anyone 
see any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of 
IPv4, at least in the near term?



I use it. Probably the minority though.

[AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So, after the response to me mentioning https:// for device management, I
figured I'd ask about the following:

How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...Does anyone see
any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4, at
least in the near term?

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite https: cert implementation for managed gear

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Alright, sounds like I can deprioritize https://

One less thing on the plate for right now.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:58 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> HTTPS is the least of my concerns for on-net gear. If I'm remote, it's
> over an IPsec VPN to the NOC. And the other reasons stated for HTTPS
> management on devices with self-signed certs, screw that.
>
>
> On 10/18/2017 8:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/17 5:36 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> talking to the world is zero issue if you limit the world talking to them
>>>
>>
>>
>> I do both ways, no traffic out and no traffic in unless it's to/from a
>> subnet.
>>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Eric Kuhnke]

I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and highly
reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. Somewhat
less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from SIAE, Siklu
and others.




On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good
> experience.  So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am
> in Utah
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
> have dedicated management interfaces.
>
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.
>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it
>> would be a contender.
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> Let me back up.
>>
>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
>> torrential down pours.
>>
>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>
>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The
>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>
>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect
>> too much out of it.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does
>> not fail over seemleasly at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
>> sometimes flips.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
>> complaining.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
>> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/
>> Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
>>
>> page 7 vs. page 15
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good experience.  
So far nothing has changed my mind about that band.  And I am in Utah

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly 
USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...  

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, 
fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability at 
500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places 
that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take 
direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management 
interfaces. 

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz 
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider 
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter wave 
when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one 
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to a 
plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds 
like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  

  From: Matt Hoppes 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Let me back up. 

  We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

  Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

  The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem 
for me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

  It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too 
much out of it. 

  On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
fail over seemleasly at all. 



There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff 
and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  



  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  
https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

  page 7 vs. page 15



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chris Wright" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more 
than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
your client.



  http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Mike Hammett" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Eric Kuhnke]

Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...

Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
have dedicated management interfaces.

"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz
links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
wave when it is necessary or justified.

I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one
disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued to
a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.





On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would
> be a contender.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Let me back up.
>
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
> torrential down pours.
>
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too
> much out of it.
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>
>
>
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
> sometimes flips.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
> complaining.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/
> bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
>
> page 7 vs. page 15
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more
> than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at
> 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took
> offense to your client.
>
>
>
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Bill Prince]

For the record, birds don't "pee". Their #1 and #2 are combined into one
outlet, so they do something like 1-1/2 (neither 1 nor 2).

-bp

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds
> like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would
> be a contender.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Let me back up.
>
> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
> torrential down pours.
>
> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>
> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem
> for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>
> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too
> much out of it.
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not
> fail over seemleasly at all.
>
>
>
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
> sometimes flips.
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
> complaining.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff
> and start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/
> bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
>
> page 7 vs. page 15
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chris Wright" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more
> than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at
> 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took
> offense to your client.
>
>
>
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.  Sounds like 
if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be a 
contender.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:


  How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

  I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
fail over seemleasly at all. 

   

  There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 


  On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 


https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.

 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

  Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Is rain fade an issue?  

   

  I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz 
is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.

   

   

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Carl Peterson" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.

   

  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Let me back up. 

We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during 
torrential down pours. 

Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. 

The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem for 
me is the fail over does not happen properly. 

It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too much 
out of it. 

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not 
> fail over seemleasly at all. 
>  
> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
> sometimes flips. 
> 
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
> complaining.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
> 
> page 7 vs. page 15
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
> water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
> meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
> your client.
>  
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Is rain fade an issue? 
>  
> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
> so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
> insignificant.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
> everyone order the decent ones. 
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
> alignment scope.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>  
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>  
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Carl Peterson
> PORT NETWORKS
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> (410) 637-3707
>  
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Rory Conaway]

How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all.

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips.

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15


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From: "Chris Wright" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

Now that’s more like it.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 

On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:


  If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
complaining.  ;-)




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


  I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  
https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

  page 7 vs. page 15




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Chris Wright" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


  Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.



  http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Mike Hammett" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?  



I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz 
is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.





-- Original Message --

From: "Carl Peterson" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and 
make everyone order the decent ones.  



  On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Chris Wright" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.



Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.











  -- 

  Carl Peterson

  PORT NETWORKS

  401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

  Baltimore, MD 21202

  (410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not fail 
over seemleasly at all. 

There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it 
sometimes flips. 

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be 
> complaining.  ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
> start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data. 
>  
> From: Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
> 
> page 7 vs. page 15
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
> water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 
> meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to 
> your client.
>  
> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Is rain fade an issue? 
>  
> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
> so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
> insignificant.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
> everyone order the decent ones. 
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
> alignment scope.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>  
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>  
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Carl Peterson
> PORT NETWORKS
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> (410) 637-3707
>  
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

Spoken like a true evangelist.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining.  
;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.



http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Is rain fade an issue?  



  I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Carl Peterson" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and 
make everyone order the decent ones.  



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.



  Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



  I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.











-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Jaime Solorza]

Having installed tons of Siklu and Bridgewave links at Fort Bliss and ICE
compound in Artesia, here are my tips. Make sure mounts are level and plumb
with solid anchors...no movement.  Align azimuth first and then elevation
in slow precise movements.  The Siklu alignment tool works well even though
it is just plastic.  Easy to fabricate one or if Chuck still makes his, buy
one.

On Oct 19, 2017 2:16 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Is rain fade an issue?
>
> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz
> is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is
> insignificant.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
> make everyone order the decent ones.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Wright" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy
>> with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range”
>> brackets and alignment scope.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an
>> option.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be complaining. 
;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 




I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client. 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Is rain fade an issue? 



I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 

To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 


Carl Peterson 
PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chuck McCown]

I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and 
start complaining about it.  Then we will have believable data.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf

page 7 vs. page 15




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.



http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif



Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Is rain fade an issue?  



  I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is 
so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant.





  -- Original Message --

  From: "Carl Peterson" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and 
make everyone order the decent ones.  



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



  I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.



  Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



  I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.











-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf
 

page 7 vs. page 15 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client. 

http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

Is rain fade an issue? 



I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 

To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 


Carl Peterson 
PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than 
water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters 
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to your 
client.

 

  
http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain? 

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Mike Hammett" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?  

 

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is insignificant.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Carl Peterson" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 





 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

[Nate Burke]

I haven't tried this method yet, I'll have to test it out.  What I do is 
just set a Static 0.0.0.0/0 route with the gateway on each Backhaul with 
a different routing mark.


firewall/mangle
mark Connection, chain Input, UDP port 161, set In Interface of Backhaul
Mark Routing, Chain Output, Check Connection mark from above.

2 rules for Each backhaul link  Since it's only looking at Input 161, no 
extra CPU overhead.




On 10/19/2017 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

SRC NAT the SNMP port to the loopback IP.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"George Skorup" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:12:12 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

I know Nate has mentioned this before. Wondering if there's a solution.
This has been driving me nuts for years.

A large/complicated OSPF design may have some asymmetric paths between A
and Z. But the problem comes down to asymmetry at the router you're
trying to poll.
For example, SNMP polling a router to its loopback IP, requests come in
on say ether1, but the replies go out ether2 = SNMP timeout. In and out
same interface works fine.
Everything else to the router works fine, like WWW, telnet, winbox, etc.
but obviously those are TCP, so this has me wondering if it's a UDP
thing or just SNMP...?

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Oxygen absorption peaks near the 60 GHz point at around 11 dB/km. Per NOAA in 
my area, we'll see a rain that is at least 4.76"/hr measured on a 5 minute 
interval every year. That's often enough for me. That's about 120 mm/hr. That's 
about 30 - 40 dB/km. 

Yes, rain does have a significant impact on 60 GHz. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:17:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Weird. I thought dumb people weren't allowed to write articles on The Internet. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Is rain fade an issue? 


I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Very unlikely. 

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917 


https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/1152763711515746 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:19:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Is rain fade an issue? 


I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

On your 1300m link, does it sometimes switch to 5ghz?  How much of a hit 
do you take when it switches from radio to the other?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

This link would be just under 300 meters.  Will I ever go down for rain?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 
60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain 
fade is insignificant.



-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very 
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long 
range” brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.










--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Weird.  I thought dumb people weren't allowed to write articles on The 
Internet.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Is rain fade an issue?

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 
60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain 
fade is insignificant.



-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very 
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long 
range” brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.










--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Is rain fade an issue? 


I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so 
great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is 
insignificant. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 





Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Is rain fade an issue?

I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 
60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain 
fade is insignificant.



-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket 
and make everyone order the decent ones.


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.










--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

[Mike Hammett]

SRC NAT the SNMP port to the loopback IP. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:12:12 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP 

I know Nate has mentioned this before. Wondering if there's a solution. 
This has been driving me nuts for years. 

A large/complicated OSPF design may have some asymmetric paths between A 
and Z. But the problem comes down to asymmetry at the router you're 
trying to poll. 
For example, SNMP polling a router to its loopback IP, requests come in 
on say ether1, but the replies go out ether2 = SNMP timeout. In and out 
same interface works fine. 
Everything else to the router works fine, like WWW, telnet, winbox, etc. 
but obviously those are TCP, so this has me wondering if it's a UDP 
thing or just SNMP...? 

[AFMUG] Stupid MikroTik SNMP

[George Skorup]

I know Nate has mentioned this before. Wondering if there's a solution. 
This has been driving me nuts for years.


A large/complicated OSPF design may have some asymmetric paths between A 
and Z. But the problem comes down to asymmetry at the router you're 
trying to poll.
For example, SNMP polling a router to its loopback IP, requests come in 
on say ether1, but the replies go out ether2 = SNMP timeout. In and out 
same interface works fine.
Everything else to the router works fine, like WWW, telnet, winbox, etc. 
but obviously those are TCP, so this has me wondering if it's a UDP 
thing or just SNMP...?

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Sam Beiler is able to align these using scopes at one mile without revisiting 
either side. 



> On Oct 19, 2017, at 15:18, Chris Wright  wrote:
> 
> I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety 
> of mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is 
> dozens of times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms 
> I'm on.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
> Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
> mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
> suffering.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
> everyone order the decent ones.  
>  
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
> alignment scope.
>  
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>  
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>  
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>  
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Carl Peterson
> 
> PORT NETWORKS
> 
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
> (410) 637-3707 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

I guess that makes me one of today’s lucky 10,000.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety of 
mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is dozens of 
times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms I'm on.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
suffering.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 





 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

It's already a done deal. Radio comes without mounts and they have a variety of 
mounts separately available. This has been stated what I feel like is dozens of 
times, but maybe that's in aggregate across all of the platforms I'm on. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chris Wright"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:59:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 



Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
suffering. 

Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 


Carl Peterson 
PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Mike Hammett]

The "regular" bracket is good for high angles. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Carl Peterson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:58:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 


Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones. 


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chris Wright" < ch...@velociter.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 






I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. 



Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? 



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. 











-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity scales 
with frequency.  

  From: Chris Wright 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

  Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

  Yes


  On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

  I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets 
and alignment scope.

   

  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

  I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.

   

  Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

   

  I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[George Skorup]

Yeah, what he said.

On 10/19/2017 2:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.

*From:* Chris Wright
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing 
the alignment rethink their profession.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61.
Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash.
Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems
like an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it
to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[George Skorup]

Yeahbut what size antenna? Try a 10+ footer that's <1 degree 3dB beamwidth.

On 10/19/2017 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.

*From:* Chris Wright
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing 
the alignment rethink their profession.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] 
*On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes

*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61.
Very happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash.
Get the “long range” brackets and alignment scope.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems
like an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it
to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Ah.  I haven't done anything bigger than 4'.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:08:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq


Depends on the gain.  A 10 footer is always hard.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:03 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.


From:Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing 
the alignment rethink their profession.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very 
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long 
range” brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Dustin Jurman]

True!

DSJ

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes

On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

Except 6ghz at 13km isn't very hard at all.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 3:01:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.


From:Chris Wright
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:


At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?





-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be 
up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Robert]

I waited almost 5 months for my LR brackets to be in stock..

On 10/19/17 9:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity 
scales with frequency.

*From:* Chris Wright
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very
happy with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the
“long range” brackets and alignment scope.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like
an option.

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to
be up.

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[chuck]

I would guess it would be as fussy as a 6 GHz @ 13 kM.  Directivity scales with 
frequency.  

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

   

   

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Chris Wright" 

  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

   

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Carl Peterson]

Glad its not just me that can't align these things.  I can align a
bridgwave or siklu in 15 minutes tops, and know exactly when it is aligned,
but budget at least 4 hours for an ignite and even then I have no idea if
it is really aligned right.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
> make everyone order the decent ones.
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Wright" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy
>> with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range”
>> brackets and alignment scope.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an
>> option.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Agreed. Drop the radio price by however many pennies they’re paying for the 
mounts + added shipping weight and prevent a lot of noobs from needless 
suffering.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and make 
everyone order the decent ones.  

 

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 





 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Carl Peterson]

Yes, and the LR brackets.  They should just drop the regular bracket and
make everyone order the decent ones.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with
> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets
> and alignment scope.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>
>
>
> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>
>
>
> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

Absolutely yes. 60GHz for the first time will make whoever is doing the 
alignment rethink their profession.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

Yes


On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Chris Wright" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 14:46, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Wright" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> 
>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
>> them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
>> alignment scope.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Chris Wright
>> 
>> Network Administrator
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Wright" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy 
with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” 
brackets and alignment scope.




Chris Wright

Network Administrator



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq



I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.




Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?



I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[Josh Luthman]

Here's a thought about though, and I hate security through obscurity, but
it's worth pointing out.  If there is a flaw in whatever software.  If it's
hosted in one place, it's easy to exploit and get everything.  If it's
hosted in 1000 places, you might get a few customers but there's no way
you'll find all of them.

I agree, there's no sense in pushing someone to cloud vs local or
whatever.  It's funny how computers were all cloud, then all had to be
local, and now everything has to be cloud, and back and forth.  Ultimately
it comes down to many other things than simply where the stuff is installed.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> Experian is an interesting point. They were hacked because of a flaw in
> Apache Struts. So, no matter where it's hosted, the flaw exists and can be
> exploited. If you host it locally, you can't patch the software any
> differently, you're reliant on the vendor. So the only difference is, do
> you have better security in place than somebody else? Maybe. My experience
> in dealing with people in general has been that they do not.
>
> I am not really trying to convince anyone of anything, it is not a right
> and wrong answer. You want things locally, there are solutions. But I think
> a lot of these examples aren't really that valid in most cases.
>
> If you can backup your data the same, then it makes no difference from a
> backup perspective.
> If you can't keep using the software without a licensing server being
> available, then it makes no difference, unless your intention is to try to
> reverse engineer the software and remove the licensing requirement.
> If you are not implementing stronger security than the company who would
> otherwise be hosting it for you, then you are worse off than you would be.
>
> If you want it locally because you are going to secure the hell out of it,
> back it up better than the vendor, and you can keep using it if they go out
> of business, then it's a good decision for you.
>
> I am really not pushing people to use cloud hosted stuff if they don't
> want to though. Anyone's desire to host locally is perfectly valid. Sonar
> is just the totally wrong product to look at if that's what you want. If
> you need to hammer in a nail, there's a hammer store down the street, don't
> come buy one of my wrenches and then yell at me because it sucks for
> hitting nails.
>
> On 10/18/2017 9:53 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Is no one going to bring up Experian and the cloud hosting all of your
> data?  That's a concern.
>
> If the "one" cloud hosting server has problems, your entire billing and
> operational system goes down.
>
> Maybe it's simply the piece of mind that everything I have is within arms
> reach.
>
> Like I said before, it all comes down to what people are actually buying.
> No one needs a Ferrari when a Toyota well outlasts them in every objective
> manner and yet people are buying them.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:43 AM, James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Am I missing something here?  What difference does it make if the
>> software is cloud hosted or locally hosted if the license model is
>> subscription either way?  Mike might have been able to keep running it if
>> he had a local copy but he wouldn’t have owned the license to do it legally.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:13 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sonar
>>
>>
>>
>> That's my point Josh. Wisp mon was cloudy only, so when the acquisition
>> occurred Mike has no choice but to go to sonar. With a local he hosted
>> application he could choose to run the old Wispmon software until he
>> decides he wants to upgrade to something.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 09:22, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> IIRC, version 3 you could have some of their services (not billing)
>> on-prem. Version 4 had an on-prem ability, due to the very reasons I
>> stated...  a VM on your host is no different than a VM on my host from an
>> OS\application perspective.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
>> [image:
>> http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]
>> [image:
>> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
>> [image:
>> http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] 
>> Midwest 

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Chris Wright]

I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with 
them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and 
alignment scope.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

 

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option.

 

Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

 

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[Adam Moffett]

Thread == Dead

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:37:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I seriously doubt there is one database for all customers.  It makes 
way more sense for so many reasons to do one db per customer.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
Simon, I guess here's my argument as well. On a locally installed 
instance I can firewall the heck out of the server to only my IP 
address is, and other various security measures like that.


If I posted in the cloud on the shared server, I would suspect that 
has to be more wide open to the world because you don't know where all 
people will be accessing the server is from. Is this a. Incorrect 
assumption?


I would also assume that on the cloud system all data is stored in one 
master database which if it were hacked for some reason would allow 
access to everyone's data as opposed to only a subset on the hacked 
system.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[Josh Luthman]

I seriously doubt there is one database for all customers.  It makes way
more sense for so many reasons to do one db per customer.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Simon, I guess here's my argument as well. On a locally installed instance
> I can firewall the heck out of the server to only my IP address is, and
> other various security measures like that.
>
> If I posted in the cloud on the shared server, I would suspect that has to
> be more wide open to the world because you don't know where all people will
> be accessing the server is from. Is this a. Incorrect assumption?
>
> I would also assume that on the cloud system all data is stored in one
> master database which if it were hacked for some reason would allow access
> to everyone's data as opposed to only a subset on the hacked system.
>

[AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

[Adam Moffett]

I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an 
option.


Have any of you tried IgniteNet?  Has it been reliable for you?

I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up.

Re: [AFMUG] which gear resets, and which gear reboots?

[Adam Moffett]

It never occurred to me that a soft reboot would disconnect power from 
the board.  There's no reason it couldn't.  It's news to me if the 
anything does that though.




-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/19/2017 1:36:01 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] which gear resets, and which gear reboots?

I know Epmp never does a clean power disconnect, I believe  the ptp 
(orthogon) series does.


Anybody have a running list of the gear that actually does a full power 
disconnect when rebooted from the web GUI?

Re: [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

[Jaime Solorza]

Nice write up.

On Oct 19, 2017 8:45 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> Shared on social media ; thanks for the link!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Zach Underwood 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:53 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt
>
> *https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/airFiber24-Radios-Restore-Internet-Service-to-Puerto-Rico-After/cns-p/2104859
> *
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
> advance-networking.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Shared on social media ; thanks for the link!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Zach Underwood 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:53 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt


  
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/airFiber24-Radios-Restore-Internet-Service-to-Puerto-Rico-After/cns-p/2104859



  -- 

  Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
  My website

  advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Chuck McCown]

Not so fast.  Like to have more info.  Drawings, photos, etc.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

So far, I would say that is a resounding "no".



On Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:18 AM Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  I bought some DDB cabinets decked out with A/C and a bunch of other goodies 
from a surplus seller a couple years ago for around $800. This is what Telecom 
Surplus used to specialize in, now days they are just another reseller. I think 
they buy them from the same place I got these and just mark them up a few 
hundred percent.

  On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After 
looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.  

I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent 
degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the Hitachi air 
conditioners are well supported here in the states.

Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post 
for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a 48vdc 
power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED light 
would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if enough 
people had to have it that way.

So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus 
bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery 
compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am 
still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker 
compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening, high 
temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an auxillary 
generator plug but I could.

Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am 
still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I 
believe I'll be able to work this out.

Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to 
cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Have you looked at Charles?  They are out of the Chicago area.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 8:58 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never received a quote from them either. Pestered them for months and 
> they never quoted me.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Adair Winter  
>> wrote:
>> Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>> I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they 
>>> never gave me a quote.
>>> 
 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter  
 wrote:
 I'm pretty sure that an 
 https://amprod.us/products/outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/
 would be about the same cost, maybe a little more and made in the USA. If 
 you need a number of them I'm sure they would work with you.
 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Lewis Bergman  
> wrote:
> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After 
> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive. 
> 
> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent 
> degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the 
> Hitachi air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
> 
> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post 
> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a 
> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and 
> LED light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC 
> if enough people had to have it that way.
> 
> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus 
> bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery 
> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I 
> am still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker 
> compatible.. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door 
> opening, high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not 
> specified an auxillary generator plug but I could.
> 
> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am 
> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I 
> believe I'll be able to work this out.
> 
> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to 
> cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Adair Winter
 VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
 Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
 C: 806.231.7180
 http://www.amarillowireless.net
 
 
 
 
> 

[AFMUG] Gino gets some help from ubnt

[Zach Underwood]

*https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/airFiber24-Radios-Restore-Internet-Service-to-Puerto-Rico-After/cns-p/2104859
*

-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[can...@believewireless.net]

I've never received a quote from them either. Pestered them for months and
they never quoted me.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience.
>
> On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they
>> never gave me a quote.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that an https://amprod.us/products/
>>> outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/
>>> would be about the same cost, maybe a little more and made in the USA.
>>> If you need a number of them I'm sure they would work with you.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
 I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
 looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.

 I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a
 decent degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the
 Hitachi air conditioners are well supported here in the states.

 Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4
 post for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
 light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
 enough people had to have it that way.

 So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground
 bus bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
 compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
 still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
 compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
 high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
 auxillary generator plug but I could.

 Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
 still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
 believe I'll be able to work this out.

 Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely
 to cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Adair Winter]

Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience.

On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they
> never gave me a quote.
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that an https://amprod.us/products/
>> outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/
>> would be about the same cost, maybe a little more and made in the USA. If
>> you need a number of them I'm sure they would work with you.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
>>> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.
>>>
>>> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a
>>> decent degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the
>>> Hitachi air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
>>>
>>> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post
>>> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
>>> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
>>> light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
>>> enough people had to have it that way.
>>>
>>> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground
>>> bus bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
>>> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
>>> still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
>>> compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
>>> high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
>>> auxillary generator plug but I could.
>>>
>>> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
>>> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
>>> believe I'll be able to work this out.
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely
>>> to cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: new guy to the list

[Robert]

Agreed, Loyalty to those who deserve/earn Loyalty...

On 10/18/17 4:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If you are loyal to lying cheating business partners well that is a 
whole other kettle of ...  stupidity


-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: new guy to the list

my 60+ years has taught me there isn't an unhealthy level of loyalty..

On 10/18/17 3:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
A guy named doug k may be joining our soiree. Hes a proficient IT guy. 
Friendly, eager to know more.  Hes a UBNT guy, not a fanboy, but its 
the gear hes going with.


He works for a company around us that has asked me to work for them, 
and I would gladly work for if I didnt have an unhealthy level of 
loyalty.


Lets pretend that Im the professional he believes I am and that you 
are all the professionals I told him you all are.


Hide the degeneracy and the wives.

Actually, If he chooses to join our ranks, please make sure to give 
him a warm welcome and let him know I wasnt lying this is the best 
industry resource for vendor agnostic information. also, talk him out 
of this Ubiquiti nonsense 

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Steve Jones]

whats your resounding about surplus resellers? when we first got with our
guy, we assumed he just found a parked truck, but having gone to the
warehouse and the boss talking to him about his warehouse space all around
the country, we found out corporate joints just spend money
bureaucratically, and our guy found out

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> So far, I would say that is a resounding "no".
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:18 AM Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
>> I bought some DDB cabinets decked out with A/C and a bunch of other
>> goodies from a surplus seller a couple years ago for around $800. This is
>> what Telecom Surplus used to specialize in, now days they are just another
>> reseller. I think they buy them from the same place I got these and just
>> mark them up a few hundred percent.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
>>> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.
>>>
>>> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a
>>> decent degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the
>>> Hitachi air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
>>>
>>> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post
>>> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
>>> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
>>> light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
>>> enough people had to have it that way.
>>>
>>> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground
>>> bus bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
>>> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
>>> still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
>>> compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
>>> high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
>>> auxillary generator plug but I could.
>>>
>>> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
>>> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
>>> believe I'll be able to work this out.
>>>
>>> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely
>>> to cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Lewis Bergman]

So far, I would say that is a resounding "no".

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:18 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I bought some DDB cabinets decked out with A/C and a bunch of other
> goodies from a surplus seller a couple years ago for around $800. This is
> what Telecom Surplus used to specialize in, now days they are just another
> reseller. I think they buy them from the same place I got these and just
> mark them up a few hundred percent.
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
>> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.
>>
>> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent
>> degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the Hitachi
>> air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
>>
>> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post
>> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
>> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
>> light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
>> enough people had to have it that way.
>>
>> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus
>> bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
>> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
>> still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
>> compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
>> high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
>> auxillary generator plug but I could.
>>
>> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
>> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
>> believe I'll be able to work this out.
>>
>> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to
>> cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Jason McKemie]

I bought some DDB cabinets decked out with A/C and a bunch of other goodies
from a surplus seller a couple years ago for around $800. This is what
Telecom Surplus used to specialize in, now days they are just another
reseller. I think they buy them from the same place I got these and just
mark them up a few hundred percent.

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.
>
> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent
> degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the Hitachi
> air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
>
> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post
> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
> light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
> enough people had to have it that way.
>
> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus
> bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
> still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
> compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
> high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
> auxillary generator plug but I could.
>
> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
> believe I'll be able to work this out.
>
> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to
> cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Lewis Bergman]

I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they
never gave me a quote.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that an
> https://amprod.us/products/outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/
> would be about the same cost, maybe a little more and made in the USA. If
> you need a number of them I'm sure they would work with you.
>
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
>> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.
>>
>> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent
>> degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the Hitachi
>> air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
>>
>> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post
>> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
>> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
>> light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
>> enough people had to have it that way.
>>
>> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus
>> bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
>> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
>> still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
>> compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
>> high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
>> auxillary generator plug but I could.
>>
>> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
>> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
>> believe I'll be able to work this out.
>>
>> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to
>> cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
>>
>
>
>
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>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
> C: 806.231.7180
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Colin Stanners]

Lewis, one of our suppliers in the US has a big stock of used high-quality
telecom cabinets. I will forward their e-mail to you tomorrow.

On Oct 18, 2017 11:44 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.

I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent
degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the Hitachi
air conditioners are well supported here in the states.

Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post
for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
enough people had to have it that way.

So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus
bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
auxillary generator plug but I could.

Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
believe I'll be able to work this out.

Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to
cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.