Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Mathew Howard]

If you want a 900mhz spectrum analyzer, there are lots of options. You
could get a UBNT radio pretty cheap or Canopy FSK radio for next to nothing
that'll do the job just fine.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Midpoints is what we try to get in these situations. If the customer is
> worth having, it's great, they handle the funny business with the midpoint
> property owner (usually they pay for that customers service) and it leaves
> you the ability to serve other customers on the other side of the tree line.
>
> Fyi Ubnt used to have a 900 mhz USB spectrum analyzer. I put mine in a
> small project box with 10' usb and small adapter to N on an 11dbi yagi with
> a screwdriver through the hole as a handle. Worked great for checking noise
> and tracing interference for under 60 bucks. Better than investing in 450
> and it sitting on your shelf because the electric company wants to remotely
> rape people.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:52 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Maybe leapfrog with some back to back rockets or picos or whatever is
>> cheap at the treeline.  Solar powered.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 12:49 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>>
>> Yeah... but that only works if you have property access.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> 700’ of cable and use as high capacity radios as you want.  It really is
>>> not that far if you have property access.
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:46 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link
>>>
>>> Probably worth getting a spectrum analyzer that has 900 in its range,
>>> and a 900 yagi, before spending the $2700+ on a 450i 900 AP and antenna.
>>>
>>> For the original poster's problem I would try, if possible, moving up to
>>> 3' dishes on both ends, and ac based radios. And using a 10 MHz channel.
>>> Might have a better chance of getting a signal like -61 (not -71) and
>>> through "some" trees.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The problem with 900mhz, is that you never know if it's actually going
 to work in any given area until you try it.  If there are 900mhz smart
 meters around, don't even bother... but even if there aren't, 900mhz can be
 pretty unpredictable in my experience. If you do go 900mhz, PTP450 is
 definitely the best option.

 On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erich Kaiser <
 er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:

> 900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles
> completely NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain
> and through heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick
>> How much bandwidth do you need?
>> The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy environment
>> on 8x/4xmimoB rate.
>> If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
>>
>>
>> On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to
>> the new AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even better,
>> but I haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.
>>>
>>> What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? you
>>> could probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or 
>>> Rocket
>>> 2AC radios... and maybe a bigger dish.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 900 PTP 450 from Cambium

 Jeff Broadwick
 CTIconnect
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

 > On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson 
 wrote:
 >
 > Hi,
 >
 > I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be
 shooting through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of 
 the
 link. Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the 
 winter,
 but once the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual
 throughput. Would be nice to get 20Mbps.
 >
 > Any suggestions? The trees are 80f

Re: [AFMUG] OT PSAP callworx

[Dave]

Kinda where I was headed.
So for example if voip phone A gets a call and then does a transfer to 
an external number
and phone A gets another call is when the cross talk occurs which all 
this sounds like its pointing to the centrix because this cannot be 
replicated from internal phones or external to internal.
What it sounds like is the centrix isnt smart enough to know that phone 
A let go of that first line.





On 05/22/2018 02:35 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
You are on the right track. The vast majority of the time when you get 
"crosstalk" on a voip system it has to do with a call put on park or 
hold. most transfers happen by placing a call on hold. Make a note of 
the call details like to, from, and exact times for all involved 
calls. You should then be able to run a SIP trace on those and see 
where they are both assigned to the same resource. Most of the times 
the callers can actually hold conversations together as well as if in 
a conference.


After you get this you should be able to tell what platform is doing 
it but I have never seen a callworks do it.


On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:13 PM Dave > wrote:


Has anyone had any experience with Callworx ?
I am trying to help to resolve a crosstalk with callworx when
grabbing an outside line on a centrex system using digitel voip
phones and when transferring
back into an internal phone there is some crosstalk once another
call comes in.
I tend to believe the crosstalk is happening at the centrex system
because the system doesnt realize the line still in play during
transfer has not released almost creating a conference call on all
lines connected at the time

If anyone has any insight for me would be great or maybe point to
a place to start troubleshooting this.
thanks

Dave

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Re: [AFMUG] OT PSAP callworx

[Lewis Bergman]

You are on the right track. The vast majority of the time when you get
"crosstalk" on a voip system it has to do with a call put on park or hold.
most transfers happen by placing a call on hold. Make a note of the call
details like to, from, and exact times for all involved calls. You should
then be able to run a SIP trace on those and see where they are both
assigned to the same resource. Most of the times the callers can actually
hold conversations together as well as if in a conference.

After you get this you should be able to tell what platform is doing it but
I have never seen a callworks do it.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:13 PM Dave  wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with Callworx ?
> I am trying to help to resolve a crosstalk with callworx when grabbing an
> outside line on a centrex system using digitel voip phones and when
> transferring
> back into an internal phone there is some crosstalk once another call
> comes in.
> I tend to believe the crosstalk is happening at the centrex system because
> the system doesnt realize the line still in play during transfer has not
> released almost creating a conference call on all lines connected at the
> time
>
> If anyone has any insight for me would be great or maybe point to a place
> to start troubleshooting this.
> thanks
>
> Dave
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Josh Luthman]

We love the bigger Powerlink (wouldn't waste time on the smaller one)

Work trucks have Toughbooks.  There are some holes in them and all kinds of
dropped on concrete scuffs.  They still work.  We'll replace them when they
get super slow/battery doesn't last a work day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> +1 we also use Powerlink, and they are amazing.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> We started using the Powerlink from link technologies.
>> So far our guys love em. The POE and wireless are built in.
>> a full charge will last them the whole day.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/21/2018 01:10 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>>
>> Very true.   However, we found that if we have to carry the USB dongle
>> anyway, that carrying the mAP instead gave us much more freedom and
>> reliability (the USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled
>> sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could even sit in the truck
>> and work on the equipment without having to run a cable to cabinet, etc.
>> Or have two techs connected to the cabinet at the same time.   However,
>> there are lots of ways to skin this cat as you mention 😊  Probably the
>> biggest thing is that you can connect to the network using a phone rather
>> than just an ethernet port based device like a laptop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *
>> Dave
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> USB ethernet fixes that :)
>>
>> On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>>
>> We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same fashion as Steve mentions
>> with some pretty good results.   Put IP addresses on the one interface as
>> needed and then connect wirelessly.   We were killing EIthernet ports too
>> often due to the stiffer shielded patch cables and cable runs on our tower
>> sites.   They just put too much pressure on kinds of Ethernet ports many
>> laptops have.  Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin laptop
>> with an Ethernet port anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally the techs are doing everything they can from their phones
>> these days.   Normal Mimosa installs are entirely phone based.   Our main
>> tech avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can firmware update the client
>> radios, configure the radio, make the customer active in Powercode, etc all
>> from the phone.   We really only use the laptop and mAP for tower work now,
>> and much of that has moved to the phones too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *
>> Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
>> mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.
>>
>> I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one of those
>> up and see how it works.
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years ago,
>> it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, rain, drops,
>> left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth
>> keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has serial port. Price
>> could have been less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time
>> I was running multiple VMs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The keys
>> fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but God only
>> knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to
>> connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has allowed me to do 99
>> percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our base config to dump in, we
>> can test, allocate and finalize a customers installation directly from the
>> top of their tower.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on
>> an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute,
>> then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
>> course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
>> really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.
>> Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag
>> for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are
>> very nice as well.
>>
>> It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is
>> program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.
>>
>> The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Jeremy]

+1 we also use Powerlink, and they are amazing.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Dave  wrote:

> We started using the Powerlink from link technologies.
> So far our guys love em. The POE and wireless are built in.
> a full charge will last them the whole day.
>
>
>
> On 05/21/2018 01:10 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> Very true.   However, we found that if we have to carry the USB dongle
> anyway, that carrying the mAP instead gave us much more freedom and
> reliability (the USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled
> sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could even sit in the truck
> and work on the equipment without having to run a cable to cabinet, etc.
> Or have two techs connected to the cabinet at the same time.   However,
> there are lots of ways to skin this cat as you mention 😊  Probably the
> biggest thing is that you can connect to the network using a phone rather
> than just an ethernet port based device like a laptop.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *
> Dave
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> USB ethernet fixes that :)
>
> On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same fashion as Steve mentions
> with some pretty good results.   Put IP addresses on the one interface as
> needed and then connect wirelessly.   We were killing EIthernet ports too
> often due to the stiffer shielded patch cables and cable runs on our tower
> sites.   They just put too much pressure on kinds of Ethernet ports many
> laptops have.  Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin laptop
> with an Ethernet port anyway.
>
>
>
> Additionally the techs are doing everything they can from their phones
> these days.   Normal Mimosa installs are entirely phone based.   Our main
> tech avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can firmware update the client
> radios, configure the radio, make the customer active in Powercode, etc all
> from the phone.   We really only use the laptop and mAP for tower work now,
> and much of that has moved to the phones too.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *
> Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>
>
>
> I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
> mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.
>
> I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one of those
> up and see how it works.
>
> On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years ago,
> it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, rain, drops,
> left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth
> keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has serial port. Price
> could have been less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time
> I was running multiple VMs.
>
>
>
> Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The keys
> fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but God only
> knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.
>
>
>
> Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to
> connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has allowed me to do 99
> percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our base config to dump in, we
> can test, allocate and finalize a customers installation directly from the
> top of their tower.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on
> an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute,
> then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
> course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
> really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.
> Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag
> for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are
> very nice as well.
>
> It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is
> program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.
>
> The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
> Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11" Thinkpad is
> ~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago.  I also
> don't like that all the connections are on the sides of machines now,
> instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console with things
> connected, that makes it a lot wider.  The Thinkpads also specify that
> they have an 'Anti-glare' Screen.  Would that make it easier or harder
> to see outside?
>
> Is there a brand or Type that I missed?  $700 for a field laptop is a
> little more than I'd like to 

[AFMUG] OT PSAP callworx

[Dave]

Has anyone had any experience with Callworx ?
I am trying to help to resolve a crosstalk with callworx when grabbing 
an outside line on a centrex system using digitel voip phones and when 
transferring
back into an internal phone there is some crosstalk once another call 
comes in.
I tend to believe the crosstalk is happening at the centrex system 
because the system doesnt realize the line still in play during transfer 
has not released almost creating a conference call on all lines 
connected at the time


If anyone has any insight for me would be great or maybe point to a 
place to start troubleshooting this.

thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Dave]

We started using the Powerlink from link technologies.
So far our guys love em. The POE and wireless are built in.
a full charge will last them the whole day.


On 05/21/2018 01:10 PM, David Coudron wrote:


Very true. However, we found that if we have to carry the USB dongle 
anyway, that carrying the mAP instead gave us much more freedom and 
reliability (the USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled 
sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could even sit in the 
truck and work on the equipment without having to run a cable to 
cabinet, etc.  Or have two techs connected to the cabinet at the same 
time. However, there are lots of ways to skin this cat as you mention 
😊  Probably the biggest thing is that you can connect to the network 
using a phone rather than just an ethernet port based device like a 
laptop.


Regards,

David Coudron

**

**

**

*From:*Af  *On Behalf Of *Dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

USB ethernet fixes that :)

On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:

We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same fashion as Steve
mentions with some pretty good results.   Put IP addresses on the
one interface as needed and then connect wirelessly.   We were
killing EIthernet ports too often due to the stiffer shielded
patch cables and cable runs on our tower sites.   They just put
too much pressure on kinds of Ethernet ports many laptops have. 
Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin laptop with an
Ethernet port anyway.

Additionally the techs are doing everything they can from their
phones these days.   Normal Mimosa installs are entirely phone
based.   Our main tech avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can
firmware update the client radios, configure the radio, make the
customer active in Powercode, etc all from the phone.   We really
only use the laptop and mAP for tower work now, and much of that
has moved to the phones too.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:*Af   *On
Behalf Of * Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.

I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one
of those up and see how it works.

On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7
years ago, it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain
elevators, rain, drops, left running in the bag and getting
hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth keyboard, but runs strong
and never fails, even has serial port. Price could have been
less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time I
was running multiple VMs.

Lenovo are decent, the antiglare is still visiblish in the
sun. The keys fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is
questionable, but God only knows what the techs stuck into it
or settings they jacked up.

Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air
router to connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has
allowed me to do 99 percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs
our base config to dump in, we can test, allocate and finalize
a customers installation directly from the top of their tower.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years
bit the dust on
an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working
fine one minute,
then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows
anymore.  Of
course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet
adapter, I'd
really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle
everywhere.
Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in
a canvas bag
for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour
battery life are
very nice as well.

It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing
that it does is
program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.

The only new machines I've found so far that fits this
bill are the
Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11"
Thinkpad is
~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years
ago.  I also
don't like that all the connections are on the sides of
machines now,
instead of the back

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Mathew Howard]

It can be poe powered and do poe out... I've tested that.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:50 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I've been thinking about switching to the map but haven't verified it can
> be poe powered and do poe out. I'd like the tools in the mikrotik right
> there. Romon could keep the mac winbox access, but I don't know if the tik
> phone app does that.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 1:10 PM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
>> Very true.   However, we found that if we have to carry the USB dongle
>> anyway, that carrying the mAP instead gave us much more freedom and
>> reliability (the USB dongles seemed a little flaky, if they got pulled
>> sideways in the port, they didn’t work).   We could even sit in the truck
>> and work on the equipment without having to run a cable to cabinet, etc.
>> Or have two techs connected to the cabinet at the same time.   However,
>> there are lots of ways to skin this cat as you mention 😊  Probably the
>> biggest thing is that you can connect to the network using a phone rather
>> than just an ethernet port based device like a laptop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Dave
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 11:55 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> USB ethernet fixes that :)
>>
>> On 05/21/2018 09:12 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>>
>> We have been using the Mikrotik mAP in the same fashion as Steve mentions
>> with some pretty good results.   Put IP addresses on the one interface as
>> needed and then connect wirelessly.   We were killing EIthernet ports too
>> often due to the stiffer shielded patch cables and cable runs on our tower
>> sites.   They just put too much pressure on kinds of Ethernet ports many
>> laptops have.  Now, it is getting tougher to find a decently thin laptop
>> with an Ethernet port anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally the techs are doing everything they can from their phones
>> these days.   Normal Mimosa installs are entirely phone based.   Our main
>> tech avoids the laptop like the plague.   We can firmware update the client
>> radios, configure the radio, make the customer active in Powercode, etc all
>> from the phone.   We really only use the laptop and mAP for tower work now,
>> and much of that has moved to the phones too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af   *On Behalf Of *
>> Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop
>>
>>
>>
>> I've thought about the air-router approach, but probably 90% of my
>> mikrotik work is with MAC-Winbox, setting up new routers.
>>
>> I just found the Acer Travelmate Spin B1.  $330.  Might pick one of those
>> up and see how it works.
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 8:53 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I paid 1500 for my Toshiba tecra (not toughbook) like 6 or 7 years ago,
>> it's been through he'll in the field, roofs, grain elevators, rain, drops,
>> left running in the bag and getting hot. It's on its 3rd battery, fourth
>> keyboard, but runs strong and never fails, even has serial port. Price
>> could have been less but I wanted the biggest processor because at the time
>> I was running multiple VMs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lenovo are decent, the antiglare  is still visiblish in the sun. The keys
>> fall off and batteries don't last, Ether net is questionable, but God only
>> knows what the techs stuck into it or settings they jacked up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other than the need for wireshark occasionally, a cheap air router to
>> connect to the device with a ton of ip aliases has allowed me to do 99
>> percent from my phone now. Onedrive syncs our base config to dump in, we
>> can test, allocate and finalize a customers installation directly from the
>> top of their tower.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on
>> an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute,
>> then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
>> course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
>> really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.
>> Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag
>> for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are
>> very nice as well.
>>
>> It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is
>> program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.
>>
>> The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
>> Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11" Thinkpad is
>> ~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago.  I also
>> don't like that all the connections are on the sides of machines now,
>> instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console with things
>> connected, that makes it a lot wider. 

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Chuck McCown]

CAT IIIC even does automatic braking too.  So you end up stopped on the 
centerline.  Totally hands off.  Almost as good as a Tesla.  

From: Ron M. 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Correct, we were in a CR7, not Cat IIIc capable. I think those things are only 
rated to Cat II.


On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  In the case of SLC, you cannot blame the airport or the weather.  The airport 
was upgraded for the Olympics to CAT-IIIC which means you can land as long as 
you have good enough visibility to taxi.  It is full auto land capable.  But 
the aircraft and crew must also be capable and not all are.  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthcuZV8agI

  From: Ron M. 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:05 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

  Actually, I almost had one of those a couple months ago, ceilings and fog in 
SLC just barely lifted above minimums enough to let us get in. Otherwise it 
would have been a DEN-PVU-SLC trip.


  On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

That is one long flight!

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Never been on a flight with this segment before. .. 

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Ron M.]

Correct, we were in a CR7, not Cat IIIc capable. I think those things are
only rated to Cat II.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:15 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> In the case of SLC, you cannot blame the airport or the weather.  The
> airport was upgraded for the Olympics to CAT-IIIC which means you can land
> as long as you have good enough visibility to taxi.  It is full auto land
> capable.  But the aircraft and crew must also be capable and not all are.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthcuZV8agI
>
> *From:* Ron M.
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC
>
> Actually, I almost had one of those a couple months ago, ceilings and fog
> in SLC just barely lifted above minimums enough to let us get in. Otherwise
> it would have been a DEN-PVU-SLC trip.
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> That is one long flight!
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PVU-SLC
>>
>> Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Chuck McCown]

In the case of SLC, you cannot blame the airport or the weather.  The airport 
was upgraded for the Olympics to CAT-IIIC which means you can land as long as 
you have good enough visibility to taxi.  It is full auto land capable.  But 
the aircraft and crew must also be capable and not all are.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gthcuZV8agI

From: Ron M. 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Actually, I almost had one of those a couple months ago, ceilings and fog in 
SLC just barely lifted above minimums enough to let us get in. Otherwise it 
would have been a DEN-PVU-SLC trip.


On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  That is one long flight!

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

  Never been on a flight with this segment before. .. 

Re: [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR

[Jeremy]

You are a better man than me.  We do not support third-party products
without a $44.95 service call.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Except there is a never ending stream of those people. You would have to
> hire an entire fleet of people to help them and I'm pretty sure your thanks
> would be that they would only remember you when their crap breaks again.
>
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 11:04 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> You should have politely assisted them in solving their problem. Then
>> offered kind words about spectrum followed up with "I just wish their
>> service and support were as good as ours so you would have to go through
>> inconveniences like this"
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 10:45 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> You could have posed as a spectrum CRS and told the guy he was too
>>> stupid to own a DVR and hung up the phone.  Or said we don’t support DVRs,
>>> only the WISPs do... or  or
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 7:34 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR
>>>
>>> I had a person call me and just start telling me how their DVR wasn't
>>> working on their remote view app anymore, finally figured out they had
>>> Spectrum internet service and not my WISP service. I told him that since
>>> spectrum is a competitor i Wouldn't be able to help him with that and told
>>> him if he had service through me that I would definitely be able to help
>>> him with that. He got pissed and said he's not switching and hung up the
>>> phone. SMH
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Ron M.]

Actually, I almost had one of those a couple months ago, ceilings and fog
in SLC just barely lifted above minimums enough to let us get in. Otherwise
it would have been a DEN-PVU-SLC trip.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That is one long flight!
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PVU-SLC
>
> Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Chuck McCown]

That is one long flight!

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:10 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

Never been on a flight with this segment before. .. 

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I really could have used the negative duration flight last night.



On Tue, May 22, 2018, 8:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Time travel!
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/21/2018 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Bill Prince]

Time travel!

bp


On 5/21/2018 8:10 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..

Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Microburst diversion.

Ended up sitting on the tarmac for a couple of hours and missing my
connection home.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2943/history/20180522/Z/KOAK/KPVU

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2943/history/20180522/0355Z/KPVU/KSLC


On Tue, May 22, 2018, 7:29 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Huh?  Computer problems maybe?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 11:10 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [AFMUG] PVU-SLC

[Josh Luthman]

Huh?  Computer problems maybe?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 11:10 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Never been on a flight with this segment before. ..
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR

[Lewis Bergman]

Except there is a never ending stream of those people. You would have to
hire an entire fleet of people to help them and I'm pretty sure your thanks
would be that they would only remember you when their crap breaks again.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 11:04 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You should have politely assisted them in solving their problem. Then
> offered kind words about spectrum followed up with "I just wish their
> service and support were as good as ours so you would have to go through
> inconveniences like this"
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018, 10:45 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> You could have posed as a spectrum CRS and told the guy he was too stupid
>> to own a DVR and hung up the phone.  Or said we don’t support DVRs, only
>> the WISPs do... or  or
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2018 7:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] spectrum customer calls me to fix their DVR
>>
>> I had a person call me and just start telling me how their DVR wasn't
>> working on their remote view app anymore, finally figured out they had
>> Spectrum internet service and not my WISP service. I told him that since
>> spectrum is a competitor i Wouldn't be able to help him with that and told
>> him if he had service through me that I would definitely be able to help
>> him with that. He got pissed and said he's not switching and hung up the
>> phone. SMH
>>
>