Re: [AFMUG] PRTG icons
Like towers, buildings, etc? You could probably use Visio, and then use a capture tool to turn them into images. Jerry R From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Stump Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 6:13 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] PRTG icons Does anyone happen to have or know where I can find a decent WISP friendly icon set for PRTG maps? I've searched a bit with no luck... Thanks, Joshua
Re: [AFMUG] loving these AF5X's so far!
Sync that works? Jerry On Apr 24, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Why would they buy Cambium? What would they gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: My prediction is Ubiquiti buys Cambium some day with some spare change :) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 24, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: If the AF team came out with multipoint Cambium's going to be hurtin Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: No plans at this stage for white space. As for anything additional coming from AF team...They are always working on something (or many things)... On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Is multipoint in the future? white space? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Thanks for the great feedback! More units will be arriving next week. Regards, Ben On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: These things are amazing! I just finished converting to dual slant. 34dbi dish on one side, 30dbi dish on the other, 7.75 miles, RX -57 (all chains), 40Mhz channel width, modulation hovering between QAM16 and QAM64. Seeing 260-275Mbps down by 60Mbps up on a 75% duty cycle. The lights don't seem to work right as far as alignment goes. I spent forever fine tuning through the gui and the lights are still blinking red, one signal level. I wouldn't align with lights anyway. I am extremely impressed with these. Now if only anywhere still had them in stock On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'd suggest you try the upgrade. I haven't had any DFS problems outside. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: shipped release Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Apr 19, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you on 3.0 or the shipped release? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Josh, I did set it while in the DFS bands and still didn't make any difference. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Definitely set it in the DFS band! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 10:06 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Ken, This is V/H polarity. Don't really see any need for slant on this link. I'm limited for antenna options right now anyway. But these are working great so I don't think I'm going to mess with them. Josh, No I did not set antenna gain. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: There isn't really ATPC per say. There are some.. Similar options in 3.x firmware. Have you read Chuck's post on how the AF won't really let you cheat on EIRP? Has to do with distance calculations, tx power, etc. On April 18, 2015 5:05:43 PM AKDT, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The EIRP is messed up unless the ATPC brought mine down to to -60. I've got it at 25eirp with 19dbi antenna. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:58 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: looks to me like the antenna gain is at 0db, since it's saying it's limiting it to 15dbm EIRP... not that it actually makes any difference, since the TX power is going to be at 15dbm either way... it'll just be showing 38 on the interface. On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you set 23dbi gain? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 18, 2015 8:40 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: First link up. Havn't even fine tuned anything yet. ARC panels on both
Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
Or we are just getting royally screwed... Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It does show how little value those towers have, though. 1M towers and their total value was something around $23B? American Tower has 87k towers and has a market cap of $40B. Crown Castle has 40k towers and a market cap of $28B. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 2:50:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers Shows how lack of infrastructure can drive wireless. Also shows our relative importance to the rest of the world Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China and India. On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers
Shows how lack of infrastructure can drive wireless. Also shows our relative importance to the rest of the world Jerry On Apr 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China and India. On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Edgerouter X
Bullet-proof Jerry R From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:42 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Edgerouter X may I recommend. http://www.moxa.com/product/EDR-G903.htm Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: This is great except for the temperature limits. We were considering the using the 850’s but in Phoenix instead of the 2011s. It’s 113 degrees in the NEMA boxes by breakfast and hit 140+ during the day. Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542 tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/ It is better to walk alone, than with a crowd going the wrong direction.
Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers
That right there made my week
Jerry
On Apr 2, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Here ya go guys! It should be obvious what “variables” that you need to
change
:global MAXTX 2000;
:global MAXRX 2000;
:global THRESHHOLD 20;
:global STARTTIME 9:58:00;
:global USERNAME admin;
:global PASSWORD mypassword;
:global TESTDEST 8.8.8.8;
/system scheduler
add disabled=no name=bwtest2 on-event=:global \tx-total-average\;\
\n\
\n:global \rx-total-average\;\
\n\
\n:global upspeed 0;\
\n\
\n:global downspeed 0;\
\n\
\n/tool bandwidth-test $TESTDEST user=$USERNAME password=$PASSWORD
protocol=tcp duration=4s direction=both local-tx-speed=$MAXTX \
remote-tx-speed=$MAXRX do={\
\n\
\n :set upspeed (\$\tx-total-average\/(1024*1024));\
\n\
\n :set downspeed (\$\rx-total-average\/(1024*1024));\
\n\
\n :log warning \TX is \$\upspeed\M, RX is \$\downspeed\M\; \
\n}\
\n\
\n\
\n\
\n/tool e-mail send to=\b...@aol.com\ subject=([/system identity get
name] . \ bwtest results \ . [/system clock get date]) body=\
\Upload \$\upspeed\M,Download \$\downspeed\M\ \
\n\
\n policy=read,write,test start-date=jan/01/1970 start-time=$STARTTIME
interval=24:00:00;
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers
Can you share this script? Something similar has been on my todo list for
far too long.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers
And, its easy to have an automated BW test script on a Mikrotik to test back
to another TIK at a preset interval.. say once every 30 minutes do a 10 or 30
second BW test.
We have insisted on Tik’s at every install since Jan 2014. GREATLY improved
abilities to troubleshoot. If say a business customer has a VPN router that
they manage etc, then we put a 951-2n (now the cheaper replacement even) in
with all interfaces bridged that we can monitor. Its worth the $ 40 (now $
20) in those instances.
Most customers get a 951-2HnD or a 2011 at their house or business with the
radio bridged.
Paul
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Drop in monitoring device for troubleshooting customers
I drop in a Mikrotik RB941 to customers that have suspected issues. I can
comptletely monitor their entire network that way, WIFI and all.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
Im dealing with a customer with what appears to be a legitimate complaint of
slowness, high latency.
The biggest problem is its happenning at night so its not like we can go to
his house and troubleshoot. The issue doesnt appear to be visible in any of
our monitoring, but we are limited to viewing from this end and not his
I had him download pingplotter and leave it running to a specific IP so show
us his outbound path when this is going on, but so far it hasnt resulted in
anything useful.
I do have an air router set up as a monitoring bridge between his 450 and his
router from when we were troubleshooting his 2.4 fsk before we switch him to
3.65. As far as I can tell this isnt a radio issue, hes always 8x/8x
Is there any custom load to drop into this air router that would give me some
tools like iperf or any other nifty networking tools that would give me the
equivalent of a console at his house to troubleshoot from?
We have a bunch of old thin clients laying around here I have considered
dropping some lightweight linux onto for a drop in toolset, is anyone aware
of any specific load for that purpose?
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye....
I know what you mean We have been assimilated. Jerry On Mar 31, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well I’m back! J I moved into a new job/company and didn’t think I’d be seeing much more wireless … and well, surprise!While I’m not prime on wireless at the new company I’m working for, I still need to keep in touch… quite honestly, I was missing some of the great conversations/people on this list…. Cheers, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye i thought this list was like the hotel California...you can check out but you can never leave?!?! On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: No need to leave the list. Much more fun here than FB... From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Goodbye Hey folks…. I’ve really enjoyed this list for quite a long time … really helpful folks here. It’s time for me to make a career change (moving to a different company) and with this change I will have no involvement with wireless. Wish everyone the best and happy holidays! Paul Stewart
Re: [AFMUG] Google Maps
Don't know if this helps: https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/ Jerry On Mar 31, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net wrote: Rory, let me know if they work out for you, I might also hire them if the price is right. I have a couple of projects requiring this, one for internal viewing, status etc. on sort of a live view of network status maybe. The other for external use to overlay a percentage and color block/polygon on a few neighborhoods. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Maps We would like to do the same thing. I have a couple of programmers looking at it now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 8:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Maps Sounds like we are thinking along the same lines...I haven't gotten anywhere yet though. https://storage.googleapis.com/support-kms-prod/BB0864B3FF4593A5424C90DB5B23B59E2255 Regards, Chuck On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I interfaced a spreadsheet with Google Earth Pro a while back. Can't remember exactly how I did it but it was pretty easy. -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 4:50 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Google Maps Anyone ever tied in a database to google maps and earth? I want to define a boundary area on the map and then take address fields from a database and put them in there, on the map as I'm viewing it.
Re: [AFMUG] Speed questions
Lift your limiters for a night and see what the network does. That will give you an idea of where you need to upgrade You may have a choke point between the AP's and the Internet you aren't aware of so the user traffic is being limited but not in the way you might think. Jerry R From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Speed questions I've got a handful of customers that are requesting higher speeds. We currently offer 4Mbps to the customer. Only a few even come close to using that. I've got three towers that don't even hit 4Mbps on a 5 minute average, much less individual customers. I've got three customers in particular that hardly ever use the Internet and constantly harrang me for higher speeds. I'm upgrading everything anyway, so it is just a matter of time, but how do you guys handle that? I could turn up their speed and sell them 10Mbps fairly easily, but they're not even hitting my 4Mbps limit 99% of the time. I'm seeing this biting me in the ass either way I go.
Re: [AFMUG] OT - The Slow Mo Guys
These are cool, another nice time waster :-) Jerry On Mar 25, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Apparently I'm the last person in the world to come upon this Youtube channel. Kind of like Will It Blend. Here's their latest, disintegrating a CD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7x1Hu29Wc I know, you're asking what's a CD? Well, before Netflix there was Blu-Ray, before that was DVD, and before that was CD. Before that were VHS, cassette and 8-track tapes, and floppy disks. And records. And before that, you made your kids take music lessons so they could entertain you. Not sure why people have kids today. There's Netflix.
Re: [AFMUG] 10 GHz Ubiquiti radios
My first though was “that’s a long shot” Second thought was “math is math…” so it would depend on the Tx power, noise floor (probably non-existent), Rx sensitivity, and the antenna gain. Jerry R From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:45 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10 GHz Ubiquiti radios Thanks Mike for reading what I wroteI know allot of folks think El Paso is part of Mexico, even Texas treats us as a step child, but alas I am in the US. This list is international and not US-only as far as I know. The question was to those in other countries that might have used these radios. As far as I know the 10GHz is allowed in Mexico under a licensing process via CofeTel and SCT. I was hired to configure them and make sure they talked to each other passed traffic before they go to customs and get exported to Mexico. The integrator hired me due to recommendation from the Syscom/Epcom distributors sales representative. I don't know about the conversion but case was huge! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: He did say Maxico and Chihuahua... ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:03:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10 GHz Ubiquiti radios What country are you in? Here in the US we can't use that band except maybe under HAM radio operations so your not going to find very many people that have used that radio... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com/ http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I configured a pair of 10GHz PTP Ubiquiti radios and 3 2.4GHz M2 with sectors for a cement company outfit out of Mexico that is going to install them in a canyon. I had never played with the 10GHz product before and it was same interface as M5 pretty much. The box with dishes was good size. I didn't take them out as the radios connected to each other on bench. What kind of distance can these radios provide? The integrator installing the radios, cameras, UniFi and phones says they are going to shoot from a tower on mountain to quarry about 16 miles down the canyon. Can these work that far? I asked why they didn't use 5GHz and told me someone at Syscom in Chihuahua recommended these for long distance. Any one use these before? Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt 24V PS - 802.1af?
Not sure you will find something that can take 24V PoE in and give you 48V PoE out If you have 24VDC, this might be a solution: http://www.air802.com/dc-dc-converter-poe-injector-adapter-with-10-26vdc-input-48vdc-poe-output-din-rail-mount.html Jerry On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:50 AM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: I know Ubnt sells a device that goes from 802.1af to 24V passive but does anyone know of something that can do it the other way around?
Re: [AFMUG] Severe solar storm today
A ha!
Explains our morning
Jerry
On Mar 17, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We started losing subs on 4 of 7 sectors in 5 GHz today right about the time
this thing was hitting. This happens to be on a site where the RF conditions
are challenging anyway. I was baffled until our tower manager sent me this
story.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/03/17/severe-solar-storm-hitting-earth/24930105/
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bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com mailto:vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 tel:1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance
I was pointing out the circumstances under which WDS would cut the throughput From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance He has three stations talking to one AP. They're not doing WDS repeater. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:26 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com mailto:vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure you will see much benefit from WDS. I thought, and I could be wrong, that WDSing all the clients on one AP halves the bandwidth of the clients. I could be wrong. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 tel:1-888-364-4232 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 7:21 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short term will I get better performance from site to site if I change the stations into WDS APs? My feeling is probably, but I wonder if someone who's already done this can tell me.
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)
We have been extremely happy with PRTG. No, not free but you don’t need up upgrade as often as they want you to. If you are really budget limited, CACTI is really quite good. If you are not Linux savvy, CactiEZ would be a great way to go – you’ll need a dedicated server for it, but it will run on almost anything. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we are looking to try and standardize, Cambium, and Ligowave are the most used. Ill just use one site because they are all evolved in a similar way. But we have several different sites that are all very similar. The site I would like to do first is Tower one, 5 FSK APs (PMP450 coming soon) This site has a shed no heat and my equipment at the base is secured in a locking large steel box. Think of a truck tool box. Backhauled to Tower 2 through Ligowave and tower two has 5 FSK APs and one PMP450. This site is really remote no roads and its all tied together in a weatherproof box. So no managed switches, Single IP and DHCP. Never went then way of NAT. We have no real monitoring for customers date use, we limit up and down speeds at the SM. We don’t shape no caps you get the idea. So existing equipment is useless for this process. Our customers are quite happy with the services but I am blind. I will most likely double my size in the next 6 months and I can’t keep doing it this way. Brandon From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is how you assign IP addresses to customers. Static with NAT in CPE? DHCP? PPPoE? Do you NAT multiple customers to one public IP? This may determine which approach is easiest to migrate to. Router at each tower with block of public IPs? VLANs to central site with big central router? From: That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers deployed, let me tell you, a 50/50 network sucks a great deal to manage. whatever you do, make sure you have all your routers on your desk before you begin On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally, one router with VLANS to each AP via managed switches would be my preference. From: Brandon Yuchasz mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don’t
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
$100 service call From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it? Me: Sure, no problem. *customer's husband immediately goes outside and takes the unit off the pole* Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception. Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke. Wonder how it broke... grrr...
Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meter Collection device
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Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant
Isn’t there a S/N improvement? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant slant just confuses multipath/reflections a little. Signal doesn't change. On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Uh if both sides are slant wouldn't it be the same? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2015 12:34 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: Looking at using AF5X for a link with the 34dB 45* slants What kind of improvement would you expect to see over standard V/H polarization? +3dB? +6dB? Thanks!
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power
Thanks, This statement from Wikipedia made me pause. 200 watts (+53 dBm) point-to-point. [1] However, strict out-of-band emission rules limit practical point-to-point power to lower levels. I can work with 17dB From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Sorry, 17 db.. Miscalculated by a decimal point Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Anyone know what the AF5X max Tx power is for the UNII-1 band? My understanding is that in PTP the rules are the same as for 5.7-5.8.
[AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power
Anyone know what the AF5X max Tx power is for the UNII-1 band? My understanding is that in PTP the rules are the same as for 5.7-5.8.
[AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant
Looking at using AF5X for a link with the 34dB 45* slants What kind of improvement would you expect to see over standard V/H polarization? +3dB? +6dB? Thanks!
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power
Thanks, Planning a 11.2 mile link with 34dB antennas in UNII-1 I get the following theoretical levels: UNII-1: 17dB ~Rx -43dB (right at the recommended max - probably would turn it down) UNII-2: 5dB~Rx -58dB UNII-3: 27dB ~Rx -36db (obviously too hot - would turn down) With 75% duty cycle we should see roughly 375/125 although I'd take 80% of that. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power You can reach 48db with a 3' dish Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:45 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Thanks, This statement from Wikipedia made me pause. 200 watts (+53 dBm) point-to-point. [1] However, strict out-of-band emission rules limit practical point-to-point power to lower levels. I can work with 17dB From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Sorry, 17 db.. Miscalculated by a decimal point Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Anyone know what the AF5X max Tx power is for the UNII-1 band? My understanding is that in PTP the rules are the same as for 5.7-5.8.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power
You are correct on the UNII-2 limit Wont be running there since we have triggered in the past by the weather radar on Mt Vaca Jerry On Mar 7, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: With a 34dBi antenna you would actually have to be running at -4dBm in UNII-2, so that would be more like -67. If I'm reading that FCC cert. right, it looks like they're able to do something like 27dBm in 5.8ghz... why are they able to do higher power than in UNII-1? Were they still able to get it certified under the old rules? Mimosa stuff is stuck with the same 17dbm in UNII-3 as it is in UNII-1, since they're only certified under the new rules. On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: Thanks, Planning a 11.2 mile link with 34dB antennas in UNII-1 I get the following theoretical levels: UNII-1: 17dB ~Rx -43dB (right at the recommended max – probably would turn it down) UNII-2: 5dB~Rx -58dB UNII-3: 27dB ~Rx -36db (obviously too hot – would turn down) With 75% duty cycle we should see roughly 375/125 although I’d take 80% of that. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power You can reach 48db with a 3’ dish Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:45 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Thanks, This statement from Wikipedia made me pause… 200 watts (+53 dBm) point-to-point. [1] However, strict out-of-band emission rules limit practical point-to-point power to lower levels. I can work with 17dB From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Sorry, 17 db.. Miscalculated by a decimal point Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Anyone know what the AF5X max Tx power is for the UNII-1 band? My understanding is that in PTP the rules are the same as for 5.7-5.8.
Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant
Looking to put in an AF5X with the 45deg slant antennas. Was curious if we would see any additional link improvements over the H/V Rockets. I’m just assuming we won’t to error on the side of caution. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant if you have any links with oddball H/V signals, dual slant would level them out a bit to be about the same on each polarity. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: Looking at using AF5X for a link with the 34dB 45* slants What kind of improvement would you expect to see over standard V/H polarization? +3dB? +6dB? Thanks!
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power
According to the certification, it’s 28dB in the upper band https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPYRequestTimeout=500tcb_code=application_id=222677fcc_id=SWX-AF5X RequestTimeout=500tcb_code=application_id=222677fcc_id=SWX-AF5X Or 17 7 7 28 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 3:03 PM To: Mathew Howard Cc: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power The AF5X was just submitted in January. It is certified under the new rules. On Mar 7, 2015 1:06 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: With a 34dBi antenna you would actually have to be running at -4dBm in UNII-2, so that would be more like -67. If I'm reading that FCC cert. right, it looks like they're able to do something like 27dBm in 5.8ghz... why are they able to do higher power than in UNII-1? Were they still able to get it certified under the old rules? Mimosa stuff is stuck with the same 17dbm in UNII-3 as it is in UNII-1, since they're only certified under the new rules. On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: Thanks, Planning a 11.2 mile link with 34dB antennas in UNII-1 I get the following theoretical levels: UNII-1: 17dB ~Rx -43dB (right at the recommended max – probably would turn it down) UNII-2: 5dB~Rx -58dB UNII-3: 27dB ~Rx -36db (obviously too hot – would turn down) With 75% duty cycle we should see roughly 375/125 although I’d take 80% of that. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power You can reach 48db with a 3’ dish Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:45 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Thanks, This statement from Wikipedia made me pause… 200 watts (+53 dBm) point-to-point. [1] However, strict out-of-band emission rules limit practical point-to-point power to lower levels. I can work with 17dB From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:42 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Sorry, 17 db.. Miscalculated by a decimal point Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 2:36 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x UNII-1 Tx power Anyone know what the AF5X max Tx power is for the UNII-1 band? My understanding is that in PTP the rules are the same as for 5.7-5.8.
Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant
For clarity, we are planning an AF5X link on 34dB slants On these towers are Rocket sectors H/V I was curious what, if any additional S/N might be realized since they are not on tbe same polarity. Very little if any it would seem, and probably not enough to make any real difference Jerry On Mar 7, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Yes, all true. But I thought Jerry was talking about a V/H Rocket interfering into a +/- Rocket, where both are dual pol. From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 8:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant I thought the whole idea of slant was chain equalization and certain types of multipath are handled better. Take the PMP450 for example. On 5GHz (H/V), if we get a strong interferer on v-pol (all the FSK out there) and V SNR is 15 while H SNR is 30, you get MIMO-A. With the slant, now your V pol interferer affects both - and + 45 equally, so you might get a SNR of 18 on both polarities, but you're still getting MIMO-B. Dual 16QAM is better than single. On 3/7/2015 7:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m not sure that’s true unless the AF does some sort of noise cancelling algorithm, which maybe it does. But I don’t see where the antennas alone accomplish that. Yes, +45 would see V at –3dB, but it would also see H at –3dB, and assuming they are uncorrelated, the addition puts you right back where you started. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 6:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant Ahh I see what you're saying. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2015 7:53 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: The slants will be for the AF5X which will see the rockets -3dB less than if the AF5X was on H/V From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 4:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant Rockets don't decide the slant/linear. The antenna does. So those HV Rockets on the 45* antenna aren't HV at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: I see I’m not ‘splaining myself adequately On a given tower, if I have some rockets (H/V) and I use a 45 degree antenna, I should see additional S/N of x (3dB was my guess) between the two systems. While that +3db would be welcome, I’m not counting it. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 3:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant Radios are different, but slant vs pol won't get you different signals. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2015 6:38 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: Looking to put in an AF5X with the 45deg slant antennas. Was curious if we would see any additional link improvements over the H/V Rockets. I’m just assuming we won’t to error on the side of caution. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Typical improvement when using 45* slant if you have any links with oddball H/V signals, dual slant would level them out a bit to be about the same on each polarity. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: Looking at using AF5X for a link with the 34dB 45* slants What kind of improvement would you expect to see over standard V/H polarization? +3dB? +6dB? Thanks!
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Fortunately we did not have a lot of users on 900, we were using it for distance but once we found the WARM grid antennas we were able to get stable links on 2.4 Just wasn’t worth the fight. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 9:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Did you ever talk to any of your state reps in congress? - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Sounds like Netonix is the best package, Just not feeling it with regards to availability. Looks like Edgeswitch is the best bet and just power AirFibers separately. Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:22 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Check Amazon John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:18pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions Tried to order, not in stock even though the order button is active Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispswitch is shippping, Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Call bullshit all you want. We placed an order for a switch that had an order now button. Called to follow up on said order to make sure it was shipping. Were told they are NOT shipping. So, if they have other switches that are in stock and shipping I would be interested in considering them. Jerry -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds [mailto:j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:03 PM To: Jerry Richardson Cc: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions Uh I just got a pallet of switches yesterday from them, so I'm calling bullshit on your comment. People don't realize how new some of this equipment is though, the products haven't been shipping for more than a few months. The DC fed and several other designs were a pipe dream three months ago and now they have already been in beta testers hands for a month or two and are now starting to ship. Three months from talk to to shipping is a VERY fast TTM. I need to get Chris on this list. He needs to be able to comment on situations like this.On Mar 4, 2015 2:07 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
[AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
We have an Edgeswitch at the core, really nice switch Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:30 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Post back how they work. I know the Toughswitches are hated... John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:26pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions Sounds like Netonix is the best package, Just not feeling it with regards to availability. Looks like Edgeswitch is the best bet and just power AirFibers separately. Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:22 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Check Amazon John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:18pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions Tried to order, not in stock even though the order button is active Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispswitch is shippping, Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Admittedly I was not the one that ordered. The order was placed, only to find out that the switches are not available. If there are switches available, we would be interested in getting them – we have three towers with immediate need. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 5:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions It's very much real, so I guess I don't know what you're talking about. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 5:07:01 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Tried to order, not in stock even though the order button is active Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:11 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wispswitch is shippping, Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
We tried to order a switch that has an active order now button. Didn't see the fine print at the bottom. Our mistake. Cant wait, need a solid solution now. Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Jerry The reason why you cant order it chris just came out with these switches geez. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 6:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions Importance: Low Cant order it.. Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: What happened to the netonix stuff? I had only heard good things about it Craig - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 5:07:01 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions
Cant order it.. Jerry On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: What happened to the netonix stuff? I had only heard good things about it Craig - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 5:07:01 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Tower switch solutions So much for Netonix, its just vaporware Any other solutions for powering 24/48/48HP gigabit devices in a tidy way? We will have everything off tower cabinets and into racks shortly so rack devices are in play. Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Even in a small cell deployment, it's going add a whole bunch of noise in an increasingly overused band. At a minimum this will require WISPs to modify our minimum signal level standards. It will be interesting to see who has more difficulty. They are trying to talk to handsets and are used to operating in sub -100dB ranges. When they realize they need to get -70 against the background they might give up as there is no way the handset will ever be able to put out enough power. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Interesting. It does say small cell deployments though. https://www.qualcomm.com/invention/technologies/lte/unlicensed https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/02/26/qualcomm-extends-lte-unlicensed-spectrum-enhance-mobile-experiences-and If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/
Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
LTE has magic awesome sauce, but then they have been playing in their own ultra-quiet licensed bands listening down below -100 against a background of -150+. Noise for them is -140… We can cope with narrower/beam forming sectors, higher gain at the CPE, etc. GPS sync will be a must for channel re-use (Ubi – are you listening?) No doubt if they go through with it that this is going to be a pain in the ass for everyone. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. its meaning interference On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com mailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com wrote: LTE has interference mitigation techniques most WISPs are not familiar with. Many are used to gear that performs poorly in its presence. One customer at our training recently explained to others how even as the noise got worse, the link chugged right along, staying consistent. It does much better than WiMAX. Remember, LTE is designed to handle people traveling at 80 mph talking on devices where the interference environment is completely dynamic. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: Even in a small cell deployment, it's going add a whole bunch of noise in an increasingly overused band. At a minimum this will require WISPs to modify our minimum signal level standards. It will be interesting to see who has more difficulty. They are trying to talk to handsets and are used to operating in sub -100dB ranges. When they realize they need to get -70 against the background they might give up as there is no way the handset will ever be able to put out enough power. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Interesting. It does say small cell deployments though. https://www.qualcomm.com/invention/technologies/lte/unlicensed https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/02/26/qualcomm-extends-lte-unlicensed-spectrum-enhance-mobile-experiences-and If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/ -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 tel:727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com mailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com [this is my corporate address] -- Patrick Leary Director BD, North America, Telrad 727.501.3735 patrickleary.af...@gmail.com mailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com [this address is only for AFMUG] patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com [this is my corporate address]
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
Shit. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. The handset isn't putting out any power in 5 GHz. 5 GHz is downlink only. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 10:45:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Even in a small cell deployment, it's going add a whole bunch of noise in an increasingly overused band. At a minimum this will require WISPs to modify our minimum signal level standards. It will be interesting to see who has more difficulty. They are trying to talk to handsets and are used to operating in sub -100dB ranges. When they realize they need to get -70 against the background they might give up as there is no way the handset will ever be able to put out enough power. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ::: More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Interesting. It does say small cell deployments though. https://www.qualcomm.com/invention/technologies/lte/unlicensed https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/02/26/qualcomm-extends-lte-unlicensed-spectrum-enhance-mobile-experiences-and If systems like this end up rolling out on cell sites across the nation we are going to see some tough times getting clear channels. I’ve seen several proposals now for tower based systems that use very large swaths of 5Ghz as alternative LTE data paths to cell phones with multi-channel BW designed to suck up every free piece of 5Ghz spectrum found. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/02/t-mobile-alcatel-wifi-and-4g-fight/
Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz..
It is. All we can do is plan the best we can and react when no-one else does. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:23 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. Here in the border we have to deal with interference on licensed and unlicensed bands from another country! Even our Public Safety system was interfered with and had to be dealt with. Like Gino says, Its part of doing business in these bands! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: Yep, lived it. The discussions PGE ended with “Our lawyers say we are in compliance, take it up with them”. OK then…. We managed to keep some links up, but ultimately it relegated 900 to very low density neighborhoods and links that needed to be -65 or better at both ends. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:02 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More LTE tradgedy of the commons on 5 GHz.. I think the point some are missing is the lesson learned from 900Mhz and smart meters. While 900Mhz is unlicensed spectrum, a single operator has managed to take it over in California to the point where no other user has any chance of using the spectrum for commercial purposes. By this I mean that PGE’s deployment of smart meters on every power meter in the area, and on top of power poles, and other high sites, has raised the noise floor on this band to unusable levels for high speed communications. So by means of overwhelming numbers, PGE managed to take over 900Mhz for its own users, stranding the investment of ISPs in this spectrum in affected markets. I don’t think the commissions initial concept of unlicensed spectrum was that a single operator would do this, I think they expected operators by this to use licensed spectrum. I’d like to see a limit on how many systems a particular entity can deploy in an unlicensed band. It could be some high number, like 1 million units. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields
I can see a point in the very near future where we will need to get well over 100Mbps through a single AP. Spectrum limitations and user bandwidth requirements will force it. It’s going to take bigger/better processors, more bits/Hz and improved S/N. The Ti’s are an improvement over the Rockets, but clearly still fall somewhat short. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 9:27 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields I don't see a lot of point in bothering with the Titanium Rockets... the standard Rockets are XW hardware now, so you get the faster processor. if you want the better shielding just get those RF elements shields and it will still be cheaper than a Ti or if you're using RF armor, it's irrelevant anyway. If you need more than 100M ethernet, get a real backhaul. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: What’s funny is that I’ve got the original Titaniums still up over 2 years with no problems and no downtime. They were still on 5.3 but I’ll be upgrading them tomorrow. However, I don’t see any reason to pay the difference between the Rocket 5M and the Titanium with 20MHz channels, especially if you have RF Armor shields. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 9:52 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We have two up. I can say they are better than the Rockets they replaced but can’t speak to failure rates. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We see a very high failure rate on Titanium radios...even the new XW version. On 3/2/2015 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The new ones with XW hardware are working great? How long have they been in service? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:35:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Working great. No GPS of course but immediately saw throughput improvements. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:29 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields Are the Tis actually working for you? They have a troubled past and the outlook on the new ones is still uncertain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 10:26:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields We are replacing Rockets with Titanium AP and antennas. We see instant performance improvements particularly with links over 12 miles. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 9:08 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Rocket series shields How many of you are using the RF armor shields or similar on your Rocket radios? Do you have a before and after scenario in real world applications? Thanks Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 tel:915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] WANTED!!!
Very few are able to do it, and even fewer can do it well. Those that can do it well can make some serious dough… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 5:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WANTED!!! “Sales Engineer” sounds like an oxymoron. Oh wait, I should consult Dilbert: http://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=sales+engineer http://dilbert.com/search_results?terms=sales+engineer= = From: Patrick Leary mailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:21 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WANTED!!! Both pre and post sales engineer. Such a roll is specifically required to stay away from commercial discussions (i.e. dollars and cents). However, such a person would be expected to present the tech when and of the respective sales person needs help. On Feb 27, 2015 5:21 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Is this a sales rep position or a support rep position with onsite response? The description could go either way or even in a different direction. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Patrick Leary patrickleary.af...@gmail.com mailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com wrote: Care to layer in any more stereotypes? On Feb 27, 2015 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com mailto:e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Tacos with hummous and matzo balls in them. On 2/27/15 10:03 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Mr Hohhof, on that point I did not stutter. We do have a support center in Mexico City. No problem with PR either. On Feb 27, 2015 3:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: And when you say “anywhere in North America”, that includes lots of countries. Not just US Canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_American_countries_by_population How about Mexico or Cuba? Puerto Rico? From: Patrick Leary mailto:patrickleary.af...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WANTED!!! This Irish Catholic is not sure of that, but I can tell you that after working for 3 different Israeli companies, they take better care of their employees than any other employers I've had the experience working for. If you value being left alone and treated with respect, and where family ALWAYS comes first, you could do much worse. On Feb 27, 2015 3:32 PM, Eric Kuhnke e...@kuhnke-international.com mailto:e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: If I sign up to work for a .IL company do we get a monthly allowance for falafel and hummous? On 2/27/15 9:19 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Servant-hearted, ambitious, smart, knowledge engineer with excellent RF skills, but also LINUX. Must be willing to travel, but able to function in a self-directed way from your home office. Must work well with a small dedicated crackerjack team. Good humor is valued. The individual would be reporting to one of the very best engineers in the business. You can live anywhere in North America to be eligible for this position. Pay is respectable and our engineers participate in the upside. MUST BE PASSIONATE ABOUT WIRELESS BROADBAND. This is a chance to work with one of the hottest companies in the space, with one of the best teams in the business. If you are interested, or know someone who may be a good fit, please send me a note off list directly to patrick.le...@telrad.com mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com . -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Air fiber lockup
Yeah, thats where we are at this point I should have looked at the spec too, did not realize the 23w per port linit. Netonix... Jerry On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Take your TS8s and throw them in the garbage. Use anything else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 10:50:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Air fiber lockup Let me know what you find. We had the exact same thing happen. In our case I suspect the TS8 was overloaded. The TS8 is rated for 60W. We have an AC-Lite (which PoE was off), AF5, and 5 Rockets which would put the power at about 80W. Pretty sure the switch ran out of juice and the AF5 rebooted. Currently running on the AC until our new switch arrives. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Air fiber lockup Thanks. Contacting offlist :) Chuck On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: In this case it was the slave. The master lost all communication to the slave. I also could not access it via Ethernet or the management port. There was power to the unit as the red lights were on and indicated the correct signal level, and the ports indicated a connection. It simply wouldn't do anything at all. A power cycle got it responding again. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 26, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Right, well the symptom was described as locked up, but maybe he lost ethernet connection, or maybe the power supply tripped an internal breaker, it's not always easy to tell the difference. He said his AF locked up and a power cycle resolved it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 25, 2015 10:38 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, I don't really have enough details to help here yet. We do not see lock-ups...if that is what is happening, I would like to know about it. Chuck On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like line conditioning might make sense for Air Fibers? Jaime Solorza On Feb 25, 2015 8:19 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: Thanks guys. I'll check the voltage and if it's good I won't worry about it. I only two links of af24's, so I doubt I'll see this too often. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Normally power issues at the site. Voltage sags can do that. We see them do it, but it's very rare. Maybe one every year out of the 2 or 3 dozen links we have. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/25/2015 03:12 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: Hey whenever have an air five or 20 more lockup on them? My main back all just locked up and I can't figure out what happened. A simple power cycle resolve the issue. Definitely time to switch to fiber to the tower. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Air fiber lockup
Let me know what you find. We had the exact same thing happen. In our case I suspect the TS8 was overloaded. The TS8 is rated for 60W. We have an AC-Lite (which PoE was off), AF5, and 5 Rockets which would put the power at about 80W. Pretty sure the switch ran out of juice and the AF5 rebooted. Currently running on the AC until our new switch arrives. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Macenski Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Air fiber lockup Thanks. Contacting offlist :) Chuck On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: In this case it was the slave. The master lost all communication to the slave. I also could not access it via Ethernet or the management port. There was power to the unit as the red lights were on and indicated the correct signal level, and the ports indicated a connection. It simply wouldn't do anything at all. A power cycle got it responding again. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 26, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Right, well the symptom was described as locked up, but maybe he lost ethernet connection, or maybe the power supply tripped an internal breaker, it's not always easy to tell the difference. He said his AF locked up and a power cycle resolved it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 25, 2015 10:38 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, I don't really have enough details to help here yet. We do not see lock-ups...if that is what is happening, I would like to know about it. Chuck On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like line conditioning might make sense for Air Fibers? Jaime Solorza On Feb 25, 2015 8:19 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: Thanks guys. I'll check the voltage and if it's good I won't worry about it. I only two links of af24's, so I doubt I'll see this too often. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Normally power issues at the site. Voltage sags can do that. We see them do it, but it's very rare. Maybe one every year out of the 2 or 3 dozen links we have. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 02/25/2015 03:12 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: Hey whenever have an air five or 20 more lockup on them? My main back all just locked up and I can't figure out what happened. A simple power cycle resolve the issue. Definitely time to switch to fiber to the tower. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] Webhosting
I definitely agree with #2. **If you have the team to support it** or are willing to build one around it, there is a HUGE need for SMB technical support and a huge opportunity. BUT it's extremely hands on, requires a high degree of patience and competence, the ability to react immediately (same or next day pricing options) and a willingness to stick to your pricing structure - they'll grumble but they'll pay it. Phones Internet Networking Websites Email AV/Conferencing Jerry -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Webhosting It's pretty difficult to do it for the price people want to pay these days and still provide any kind of support. I feel like there are two markets for hosting. You can do totally hands off $5/month CPanel (or similar) with little or no support, but then why would anybody pick you over GoDaddy? You can also go for higher priced, but with support from a web developer who can basically do full service hosting/development. I think the 2nd option is the only way small businesses make decent money at it anymore. Doing an update to the servers again. Is anyone else out there doing web hosting and what are you charging? Seems like this is kind of a pain with very little pay back anymore. I think its time to raise rates on it or cancel altogether.
Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
Good luck,
What a PITA
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
Meeting with ATT on Friday..
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:59 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
Any updates
Jaime Solorza
On Feb 24, 2015 11:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Yep, however the chart does have warnings. I just wanted to take a close look.
From: Bruce Robertson mailto:br...@pooh.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
They let you get that close in Class B? Hmmm...
On 02/24/2015 09:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Probably 300 feet but probably right in the center of the lobe too.
From: Ty Featherling mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
Cool. How far from it did you get?
-Ty
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All the aircraft radios noised up and became unusable and I was in class B
airspace at the time flying with a clearance.
From: Ty Featherling mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
What happened?
-Ty
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
EIRP.
That is a 100 kW transmitter and a 10 dB antenna.
Don’t fly your plane too close to those. I did it once.
From: Ty Featherling mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
1mil Watts? Whoa!
-Ty
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I read somewhere about lots of intermod issues with the transition to DTV a few
years back. Probably more pronounced with the kind of power levels they are
using on some DTV stations. I know that at least a couple of DTV stations are
transmitting at 90 dBm up on Sutro in SF.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/24/2015 6:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The inadvertent diode story has been around for a long time. I think it was
much more of a problem when you had two broadcasters at a site where the
difference between their frequencies was on a 2 way FM repeater input
frequency. Every active electronic device on the whole site could do the same
thing. Remember how everyone used to obsess about intermod products at tower
sites. Doesn’t seem to be much of a problem any more. Or perhaps it is but we
are all on cell phones now.
From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?
Oh I know. Our tower manager at Black Mt. goes semi-ballistic when he sees
anything on the tower that is not HDG or stainless or silicon-bronze. Then
tells the story of rusting bolts/nuts/washers turning into diodes in the
presence of higher-power RF. I don't know how high the power needs to get, but
we have seen some interesting side-effects on unshielded cable and other
unshielded components.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/23/2015 4:04 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Noise can come from most unexpected places. CQ rag had a story on spark plug
caused noise on motorcycle knocking out a satellite system on bank building.
Chucks advise is good
And that would be my first step
Jaime Solorza
On Feb 23, 2015 3:08 PM, Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com
mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com wrote:
Had an ATT contractor show up at one of our datacenter sites today and claim
that one of our radio systems was emitting a carrier at 711Mhz and he pointed
at where we have a Dragonwave Compact 18Ghz system and Redline AN-80i 5Ghz
system mounted on the building.
711Mhz doesn’t sound like an IF of either of these systems to me, but I’ve got
tickets in with the equipment manuf. It looks like they are some 3rd party ATT
has sweeping buildings downtown. Anyone dealt with these guys before? He told
me he measured a -87 with his directional antenna 10 feet away from the
equipment and acted like that was a really big deal, sounds like a pretty low
level to me honestly. Anyone know what the legal limits for spurious emissions
are in the 700-800Mhz band?
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
[AFMUG] In-cabinet 12 port modular keystone bracket
Looking for a bracket that can securely hold 12 shielded modular Cat6 keystones Thanks in advance
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
The risk is dropping 24VDC across the Ethernet…
The power supply might be able to take it but the NIC chip might not.
Plastic crimps just have a much shorter lifespan on the dies, but if they are
only used to crimp hot connections they should last a while
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:12 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
I'm pretty sure I've seen plastic crimpers, but I don't know that I'd trust
them to do a decent crimp...
It doesn't seem to hurt most power supplies, but I always try to be quick about
it when I do it... it all depends on the situation though, in some cases it
isn't worth the risk even if it is small.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
That's just the first issue. As someone else mentioned, you also short all the
pins together when you crimp the RJ45 on. Are there plastic or ceramic
crimpers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I guess you could buy ceramic scissors like these:
http://www.mtesolutionsinc.com/11802-Ceramic-Scissors-5-p/11802.htm
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
Gotta be careful. If you cut across all the pairs at the same time, you
will definitely short the output of the POE injector. Newer ones might
be able to deal with that as long as the short doesn't last too long.
However, you can usually cut each color separately without doing any
harm. The challenge is getting them the same length.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/19/2015 10:13 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff?
I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet
port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too?
I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the
splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I
didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the
outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live?
If you are careful when you open the jacket and only cut the blue, then brown pair and don't short them it can be done. Problem is when you re-crimp you short the PoE to the Ethernet and there is no way to avoid that unless you are punching it down or using the crimp caps. In general I would do it in a pinch, but I don't trust installers to do it... -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:13 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5/6 POE splicing while live? Is it possible to cut into a POE injected Cat5/6 run without frying stuff? I think I've done it on regular Ethernet without causing damage to the Ethernet port, but maybe I'm pushing it with that too? I know the safest way is to unplug the Ethernet cable, then do the splice/work/end on it, then plug it back in, but would be really nice if I didn't have to bother the home owner when fixing/splicing a live run to the outside of the house.
Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions
http://www.aaronia.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions Can anyone recommend a hand held spectrum analyzer that a novice could operate effectively? Must be capable of connecting external antennas and must support 2ghz up to 6ghz.
Re: [AFMUG] Simple SNMP monitoring for traffic usage
PRTG is well worth the cost if you want something that is robust, easy to setup and manage and just works, every day. MRTG, and CACTI are good free (donations suggested) solutions but require a bit more hands on. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple SNMP monitoring for traffic usage if he wants to pay PRTG free you can do MRTG On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: A customer of mine is needing a simple program for monitoring custom OIDs for traffic(Mikrotik Queues). Software needs to be able to display total GB usage on a monthly basis maybe even 95th percentile. Any suggestions? Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 tel:630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 tel:630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions
We have one. Works well, the LCD is kinda poopy but works in a pinch. The real power is with the software. I’d buy another. thanks From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions Jerry, do you have any personal experience with this unit? On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: http://www.aaronia.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:46 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions Can anyone recommend a hand held spectrum analyzer that a novice could operate effectively? Must be capable of connecting external antennas and must support 2ghz up to 6ghz.
Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Splicing
We’ve been using these – the are bit less that the Bulgin and work as well: http://www.vpi.us/wtp-rj45-coupler.html Not sure how I feel about using crimp splice but if they are reliable I might try it From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Splicing Look up 3M ScotchLok. Our guys use them all the time. I once used them to splice together a 300ft. CAT5 cable running up the tower that was cut at the base by a tower climber. Worked great for temporary use. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I was curious about that product as well. Nate Burke wrote: I emailed him directly, but didn't hear back. Thought maybe he'd see it on the list. Nate On 2/19/2015 10:54 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: Wasn't it the guy that toured Sterling's facility with us? I didn't get his card but I think Jay Fuller did. Nate Burke wrote: I wouldn't use the pictured one either, but supposedly there is a product like this, but specific for Cat5/6 where the pair go into the connector. It would replace doing a punchdown splice block or RJ45 coupler. On 2/19/2015 10:50 AM, That One Guy wrote: we have come across a few customer splices using the redcaps, if theyre going to splice themselves, at least theyre using a quality product to do it wrong On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: There's a shielded one at Mouser. I would never use what's in that picture for ethernet. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 19, 2015 11:42 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Do you have a partnumber/distributor? On 2/19/2015 10:40 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote: We use them. Gel filled so they are water resistant. Adam *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2015 8:38 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cat5 Splicing Out at AF I was talking to some who said that they were using a Cat5 splice product. They described it as being similar to a butt connector Image result for cat5 splice keep twist but was specifically made to accept the Cat5 twist, so that the twist went all the way into the unit to splice with another twist. I've been searching around, but haven't been able to find them. I can see this being better than trying to do an RJ45 coupler in some situations. Anybody use something similar to this? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions
Its been a while so I doubt the pricing is the same. I think we were in for around 1,800 This is 2GHz to 6GHz. Isn’t powerline below 1MHz? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions What is the price? I would like to find something to look for noise on electrical outlets to help ethernet powerline adapters work better. From: Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:15 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions We have one. Works well, the LCD is kinda poopy but works in a pinch. The real power is with the software. I’d buy another. thanks From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions Jerry, do you have any personal experience with this unit? On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote: http://www.aaronia.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:46 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Hand Held Spectrum Analyzer suggestions Can anyone recommend a hand held spectrum analyzer that a novice could operate effectively? Must be capable of connecting external antennas and must support 2ghz up to 6ghz.
Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
Here’ a real 120deg dual pol sector.
http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5821SD1_DS_061312.pdf
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
This needs to sync with a full cluster of Canopy APs that is only 3 miles away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 5:09 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
There is always the business case to use another vendor with lower ROI.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
On 2/17/2015 3:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector; 120° wide,
with about 15 subs. About as low as you can go. The problem is that most of the
subs are near the outer edges of a 120° sector. Dividing it into 2 sectors
would be an option if we had (or expected) more subs, but this one I don't
think that will happen. I'm not inclined to burn a Canopy AP (or two even) on 7
or 8 subs each.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I think asking for 3 dB down at 120 degrees in dual pol with matching patterns,
good F/B and good sidelobes is not going to happen. I’d plan on ABAB and look
for a 90 degree sector.
H, the published patterns for the KPP “Gen III” are kind of ugly, aren’t
they? Plus the HPOL and VPOL azimuth patterns don’t match very well.
From: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost
everything is rated at -6db now.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
The new 120 is the old 90search for something advertised as wider than 120
I guess?
What I'm looking for is a 120° sector that drops off no more than 3db at the
edges. The 6 db bull that seems to be common these days is not what I'm
looking for.
Also want good F/B ratio, good cross-pol performance, and tiny side lobes. In
perfect world, it would drop off 30db at 121°.
I want a pony too.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Good drop off is a good thing IMO.
If you want less drop off probably go with an original Airmaxsector. Those
things bleed for days and the f/b isn't verygood. We installed half a dozen
people 180* off one ofthem.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
No one?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Has anyone found a decent TRUE 120° dual-polarity sector in 5 GHz? We're
using a KP on one of our POPs and the drop-off at the edge of the 120°
is just too much for ourtaste.
Re: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas
Satellite was, is, and always will be second tier to WISPs. Satellite has a bad rep. Market accordingly. Go for the jugular and expose every flaw that satellite has. Latency, historically crappy customer service, excruciating bandwidth caps, can’t play games, VPN connections terminating, etc, etc, etc. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas That is true, average data usage increases about 50% per year. So over a 2 year contract, usage can be expected to more than double. Just like your new cellphone that you love today, will seem slow and outdated at the end of the 2 year contract. Again, it’s marketing, we need to get people to think ahead to how much data they will use 24 months from now, and how much they will regret signing a 2 year contract. Unfortunately, the big companies tend to be better at slick marketing than I could ever hope to be. I do remember a Boost Mobile commercial of people in cellphone contract jail. Something like that would be cute. Maybe work in some kind of visual illustration of something that was fine 2 years ago but now is way too small. But really, 2 years is beyond most peoples planning horizon, that’s how the cable company gets them to sign up for a plan that doubles in price in 12 months. From: Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:26 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas What happens when customers actually start using several times their current amount though? They do only have a finite amount of available bandwidth after all - will their jitter go through the roof and voice become unusable? Will speeds drop dramatically? -Jason On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Ken Hohhof javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com'); wrote: That’s something like 10 times their current limit. If true, that’s a big change. If they get all the 150GB/mo customers and we only get the 150GB ones, that’s probably bad for us and good for them. I guess it comes down to marketing. If they can convince people it’s “virtually unlimited”, then we lose one of the 2 selling points we have against satellite (the other being gaming). If we can convince people there’s a risk they will go over and get a “talking to” whatever that entails, then we win. That argument is easier to make against cellular, where people want a fixed price and dread getting a $1000 cellphone bill even if they never even approach their data cap, just the uncertainty is a big negative. Not sure how much they would dread a “talking to”. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:54 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Excede changing to Virtually Unlimited in certain areas If you exceed 150GB, which nobody ever does according to their literature, then they will have a talk with you because 150GB is such a huge amount according to their literature. They did say they are putting up another satellite in 2016 which probably covers the areas they missed with the existing satellite. They are also offering voice for $10 per month. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
That’s what I was basing my first reply on, but then I saw that note.
So, which to believe? The hand drawn plot or the note? LOL
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:12 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
If the pattern in the spec sheet is accurate, this one looks like it's actually
a bit more than 120 at -3db
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=HW-SA58-120-16D
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=HW-SA58-120-16Deq=Tp=o1=0
eq=Tp=o1=0
These also look to be a full 120 at -3db
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SA4958-120-19-D
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SA4958-120-19-Deq=Tp=o1=0
eq=Tp=o1=0
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote:
You are right, there’s a little note that says 120* is -6dB. Bastards…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 9:11 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
That's the one I was talking about, but it's not exactly a real 120 either...
* All beam widths are listed at the 3dB point except for 120° beam
on horizontal polarization is listed at 6dB point
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz
mailto:je...@richardson.bz wrote:
Here’ a real 120deg dual pol sector.
http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5821SD1_DS_061312.pdf
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
This needs to sync with a full cluster of Canopy APs that is only 3 miles away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 5:09 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
There is always the business case to use another vendor with lower ROI.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
On 2/17/2015 3:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
This site is not ABAB. It's not even AB. It is merely A. One sector; 120° wide,
with about 15 subs. About as low as you can go. The problem is that most of the
subs are near the outer edges of a 120° sector. Dividing it into 2 sectors
would be an option if we had (or expected) more subs, but this one I don't
think that will happen. I'm not inclined to burn a Canopy AP (or two even) on 7
or 8 subs each.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 12:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I think asking for 3 dB down at 120 degrees in dual pol with matching patterns,
good F/B and good sidelobes is not going to happen. I’d plan on ABAB and look
for a 90 degree sector.
H, the published patterns for the KPP “Gen III” are kind of ugly, aren’t
they? Plus the HPOL and VPOL azimuth patterns don’t match very well.
From: Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:05 PM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]Decent true DP 120° sector in 5 GHz
I thought the KP sectors were suppose to be -3db at 120... I think almost
everything is rated at -6db now.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
The new 120 is the old 90search for something advertised as wider than 120
I guess?
What I'm looking for is a 120° sector that drops off no more than 3db at the
edges. The 6 db bull that seems to be common these days is not what I'm
looking for.
Also want good F/B ratio, good cross-pol performance, and tiny side lobes. In
perfect world, it would drop off 30db at 121°.
I want a pony too.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Good drop off is a good thing IMO.
If you want less drop off probably go with an original Airmaxsector. Those
things bleed for days and the f/b isn't verygood. We installed half a dozen
people 180* off one ofthem.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
No one?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 2/17/2015 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Has anyone found a decent TRUE 120° dual-polarity sector in 5 GHz? We're
using a KP on one of our POPs and the drop-off at the edge of the 120°
is just too much for ourtaste.
Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch
Looks like the WS-12-250 would be a much better alternative for our sites than the TS8-Pro we are using now. I presume the AC and DC versions are identical with the AC version having the internal 250W power supply? It's a bit disconcerting that they can't seem to keep them in stock. Jerry -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix switch Take a look at page 6 of the manual--they have that exact sample config: http://store.netonix.com/media/wysiwyg/ws-specsheet.pdf On 2/15/2015 1:44 PM, Craig House wrote: Can you manage traffic across the air fiber backhaul port and brought it to another switch port so that you may plug it directly into a router as opposed to the network being bridged? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 15, 2015, at 13:12, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: They are awesome. We are replacing all of our cisco and ubnt toughswitches with netonix switches. The fact that they can power airfibers and some microwave radios is great too. They also have way more port statistics that a toughswitch so you can better troubleshoot issues. On 2/14/2015 9:41 PM, Craig House wrote: Who is using them? Better than UBNT Toughswitch? Are the ports all both 24 or 48v like the tough switch and can they be turned on / off for POE or are they on POE all the time? thanks Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Employee Breaks and Phone Use
My insurance carrier gives me a break for requiring drug testing as a condition of employment. I’m not paying a premium for my employees poor choices. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Employee Breaks and Phone Use Preemptive drug testing should not be legal. But that's another argument... On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, it is legal. Some companies have added nicotine testing to their drug test panels. On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: Is it legal to not hire someone just because they smoke? On 2/13/2015 2:42 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Smoke Free. Jaime Solorza On Feb 13, 2015 12:39 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: If they smoke they find happiness elsewhere. (Yes, you can fire smokers). Or a policy of no smoking on the clock, while at work, on company property, in company vehicles etc. (Sorry smokers, you get no love from me, and I was a smoker and chewer. You drive up insurance rates, stink up vehicles and smell bad yourself when you come into the office). They get a small stipend and pay their own phone bill. Supervisors need to have the balls to tell them to put the phone away and get to work. From: mailto:t...@franklinisp.net Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 12:01 PM To: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Employee Breaks and Phone Use Employee Question: How does your organization handle excessive smoke breaks and constant smart phone usage? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net http://www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality
Net Neutrality means an ISP cannot favor one service over another. It does not mean the ISP has to ensure enough bandwidth to access every service available. If Hughes is forced to launch more satellites, then we might have a problem. Make your TOS explicit without naming any specific type of service. “Residential service provides burst speeds up to 50Mbps depending on location and hardware. During periods of heavy download activity, the speed will automatically regulate to 2.5Mbps x 1Mbps until the download is complete. Examples of heavy download activity include computer software upgrades, books, music, and video.” Customer agrees to the TOS or finds another service. Problem solved. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality That's what got us into the mess we're now in. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:br...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 11:20:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality It may be legal, but why should I be required to provide someone access to a paid service without getting anything from it? It’s like telling a retailer that they can sell their product in the mall without having to pay any rent. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield Silver Lake Internet On Feb 11, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Block legal content? No. -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality I was kind of wondering another thing about this proposal. I know it will make it so we cannot have fast and slow lanes, but can we block a service completely? For example, the new sling TV? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:46 AM, GW List gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I've sent letters to my senator and representative. We'll see. -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:28 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Net neutrality I just ready yet another article on the so called net neutrality the FCC will be voting on Feb 26th. This government overreach is going to force me to have to register to collect taxes on all of my customers, which I'll need to pay someone to do for me to make sure I stay in compliance, which will require that I raise prices to cover my increased costs. It will also prevent me from being able to run any kind of QoS on my network, so goodbye to any decent VoIP calls. I for one would like to keep the government out of my business beyond what they already are. The article I read stated that it will likely pass. If it does, I think something very extreme may need to be done. If in protest every ISP in the USA shut down their networks either until the law was repealed or for just a day or two strike I think the government would get the picture, and if they didn't then the millions of people complaining to them about it would certainly help. I know that is very extreme, but just a thought. Anyone else have any ideas? Perhaps if we just threaten to do so may help? I'm just spitballing here, so please don't think I'm being to crazy. I just want the discussion to begin of what we could really do to stop this. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
[AFMUG] First attempt with AF5 a bust
11.2 miles 160ASL - 3450ASL 5.7 too crowded DFS under power Not usable for this application. Looking forward to testing it for a shorter link in a less congested area. We should have been on a licensed link a long time ago. At least we are going that way now.
Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450....
My experience was that PGE took over the entire 30MHz spectrum to about -72dB at our AP’s. Essentially ran us off 900MHz. “Talk to our attorneys” was their response… Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 10:34 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450 Some hoppers can be programmed to skip chunks of spectrum.Not sure on smart meter Jaime Solorza On Feb 5, 2015 12:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I thought they were using FHSS across the entire 28 MHz to send a very low bit rate, plus they have essentially a mesh network that gives them multiple paths for redundancy. So because they are using a sledgehammer to kill a mosquito, they should be very immune to interference. More of a problem for them is probably people who opt out of having a smartmeter on their house, although they are allowed to charge those customers an additional fee for manual meter reading. In my case I refused the smartmeter, but they just came back and got my wife to let them put it on the house. Now my 900 MHz cordless phone has a buzzing sound in the background. But there is a repeater on the pole in front of my next door neighbor, so it probably would have buzzed anyway. From: Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450 Perhaps a stupid question; but what if ComEd deploys in an area that is already very noisy due to WISPs? Will they see issues? Will it be enough to convince them not to use that particular technology in the area? Josh On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I wonder how secure smartgrid is, given they seem to be taking the cheap approach at the physical layer. I’m waiting for the news stories about hackers in North Korea turning peoples electricity on and off via their smartmeters. (Remember on Big Bang Theory when they put their lamp and stereo on the Internet?) And if you think smartmeters are read only and don’t have the ability to shut you off remotely for nonpayment, I have a bridge to sell you. Of course, hackers for hire are so hard to find. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/hacker-for-hire-job-board-reveals-hack-requests/ From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:59 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450 You guys know I'm happy to see this happen, but we might never be able to use it because of ComEd's planned smart grid roll-out this year. I hate my life. On 2/4/2015 5:08 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Just to correct something glaringly wrong here…. The 900 MHz PMP 450 product is expected to launch in Q4, 2015, with a 5! Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory McCann Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:22 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450 That's exactly it. This isn't a product aimed towards the guys that advertise streaming, nor is it aimed towards a user base that wants to do solely that. It's a product designed for the customer with no other good options. With the data caps on cellular 4G and the all around piss-poor performance of satellite, some customers only have 900MHz Canopy as another viable option aside from dialup. In our area it's going to be big for the company that purchased our WISP - especially since the group they are a part of who owns their 700MHz spectrum is flirting with selling it to ATT. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net http://www.mkap.net On 2/4/2015 12:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: In fairness, some WISPs have consistently said they are deep in trees and 900 MHz spectrum is clean for them and also their customer base doesn’t need to stream 4K, they just want more throughput than 900 FSK will give them. Via wider channels, higher modulation, or magic. I know many of us can’t make the same statements about noise floor or customer expectations, but some people consistently say they want such a product. And who knows, maybe there’s some magic, too? Like maybe more robustness to multipath, which seems to bother 900 FSK quite a bit. From: Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450 40Mbps by late 2016 should be just in time so we can hook up 1 customer to it because 4K TV will be streaming 50Mbps on Netflix From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz 450 Perhaps as much as 40 Mbps Dontcha wish you were at Animal Farm
Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality
My understanding is that there are loopholes for small businesses with revenue under several million. Jerry -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 10:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Net neutrality I just ready yet another article on the so called net neutrality the FCC will be voting on Feb 26th. This government overreach is going to force me to have to register to collect taxes on all of my customers, which I'll need to pay someone to do for me to make sure I stay in compliance, which will require that I raise prices to cover my increased costs. It will also prevent me from being able to run any kind of QoS on my network, so goodbye to any decent VoIP calls. I for one would like to keep the government out of my business beyond what they already are. The article I read stated that it will likely pass. If it does, I think something very extreme may need to be done. If in protest every ISP in the USA shut down their networks either until the law was repealed or for just a day or two strike I think the government would get the picture, and if they didn't then the millions of people complaining to them about it would certainly help. I know that is very extreme, but just a thought. Anyone else have any ideas? Perhaps if we just threaten to do so may help? I'm just spitballing here, so please don't think I'm being to crazy. I just want the discussion to begin of what we could really do to stop this. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
Considering the description was for worldwide support, I assume this is for the other 6.8 billion inhabitants of earth… LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X Yes that would be a shame. I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising. On 2/2/2015 1:42 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Well we couldn't yet use that here in the states. Not yet, anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Keefe John mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com keefe...@ethoplex.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 2, 2015 1:39:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X airfiber 10 ghz? On 2/2/2015 1:38 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: Yes. � Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:23 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X � Anyone have any ideas what it is? On 2/2/2015 1:20 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Is this being announced at Animal Farm??? �
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
Considering this comes on the heels of the AF24-HD, best guess so far is the radio section of the airFiber5 with external (4x) connectors. It solves the problem of trying to with bigger dishes to get an AF5-HD. Could you imagine trying to hang a dual dish version of this thing with a 4’ and 3’ dish? Thing would be 7’ tall! From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 1:17 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X I don't think it's a Nanostation form factor... it says world-breaking range, range would be pretty limited with something like that. Then again, I'm not sure how much range you need to break the world, but it sounds like a bad idea anyway. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com mailto:ericm...@gmail.com wrote: If the picture in the email ad is any indication, it looks more like a nanostation form factor. Wouldn't that limit it's antenna size back down into sub 5ghz land? On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: If not Streakwave, I would bet that you could find someone else that would be willing to sell them to a HAM... worst case, you could probably buy one from a reseller in another country. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Wonder if streakwave would even sell it to a ham operator if they show them the HAMlicense? Might be worth experimenting with the band anyways... So we would know if its worth pushing regulatory changes over. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Feb 2, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us mailto:se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today? Yep, for noncommercial use. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Pin out on 430 AP to take 24vdc?
Brown and Blue are reversed 1- Or/Wh 2- Or 3- Grn/Wh 4- Brn 5- Brn/Wh 6- Grn 7- Blu/Wh 8- Blu From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 2:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pin out on 430 AP to take 24vdc? You say it should be like this? o O g B br G b B 1 2 3 5 7 6 4 8 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried that and no go. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Swap the stripes at one end ie: blu/wht and brwn/wht SHHH... I need to encrypt this :) On 02/02/2015 02:38 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: I have looked on the list and can't find anything. I did it once and promptly forgot how to do it. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Pin out on 430 AP to take 24vdc?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson (airCloud) Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 2:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pin out on 430 AP to take 24vdc? Brown and Blue are reversed 1- Or/Wh 2- Or 3- Grn/Wh 4- Brn 5- Brn/Wh 6- Grn 7- Blu/Wh 8- Blu From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 2:41 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pin out on 430 AP to take 24vdc? You say it should be like this? o O g B br G b B 1 2 3 5 7 6 4 8 On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: I just tried that and no go. On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:42 PM, David dmilho...@wletc.com mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: Swap the stripes at one end ie: blu/wht and brwn/wht SHHH... I need to encrypt this :) On 02/02/2015 02:38 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: I have looked on the list and can't find anything. I did it once and promptly forgot how to do it. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Small 48VDC to 120VAC inverter
Looks like 240VAC out. Need 110/120VAC Any experience with samlex? http://www.samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=442 Not liking the fan... A fanless version with about the same power would be ideal. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com wrote: Iota http://www.iotaengineering.com/power.htm Erich Kaiser North Central Tower Consulting er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Need about 250W Recommendations for reliable unit that we can put in a cabinet. Thanks in advance! Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications
[AFMUG] Small 48VDC to 120VAC inverter
Need about 250W Recommendations for reliable unit that we can put in a cabinet. Thanks in advance! Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications
Re: [AFMUG] Small 48VDC to 120VAC inverter
Turns out TS Pro 8 has a 120VAC to 48VDC power supply inside...
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/ToughSwitch/ToughSwitch-Pro-Teardown-1/td-p/360656
DC-DC converter to regulate 48V into the switch and problem solved.
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
On Jan 30, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
That unit is actually made by Taiwanese company Cotek. I have one of their
ST1000-148 units in service for about 3 years with no problems, probably the
same unit with a transfer switch. I think you’ll find the fan only runs when
needed.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small 48VDC to 120VAC inverter
We have a bunch of samlex chargers. Never had one fail. Don't know about
their inverters
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/30/2015 2:10 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
Looks like 240VAC out. Need 110/120VAC
Any experience with samlex?
http://www.samlexamerica.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=442
Not liking the fan...
A fanless version with about the same power would be ideal.
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com
wrote:
Iota
http://www.iotaengineering.com/power.htm
Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower Consulting
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Need about 250W
Recommendations for reliable unit that we can put in a cabinet.
Thanks in advance!
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
[AFMUG] AirFiber PoE off DC
Has anyone come up with a nifty way to power an AirFiber off 50VDC? No AC at the base of the tower. Thanks! Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber PoE off DC
Bingo! Packetflux... Thanks Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:27 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Two options I think. Packetflux definitely and WBMFG probably (not sure about the whole gigabit/POE thing). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Has anyone come up with a nifty way to power an AirFiber off 50VDC? No AC at the base of the tower. Thanks! Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Wherever you buy Ubiquity.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of joseph marsh
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where is a good place to get it
On Jan 22, 2015 12:22 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Joseph,
Get the airControl appliance. It’s ready to go out of the box, you can install
it at your office or in one of your towers. It does not matter where it is as
long as it has internet and a static IP.
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of joseph marsh
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Mike who u recommend?
On Jan 21, 2015 8:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of VM providers. Amazon is the biggest and
Google, Microsoft, Rackspace and many others are big, but almost every hosting
company offers them. I'm not sure of their pros\cons because I run my own
environment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where u get the VM or vps
On Jan 21, 2015 5:15 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, just get a cheap VPS from somewhere. Problem solved.
On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One {VM provider of choice} instance for all UniFis everywhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I don't think he has a VM cluster set up. Not worth setting up one for just
Unifi.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One VM anywhere in the world with Internet access is all you need.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:00:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Can I set up a PC at the tower and mange it that way
On Jan 21, 2015 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No. You need it when you make changes only. Once it's configured you can turn
the machine off. It obviously won't be able to do reporting and such, but
it'll function like a normal AP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time
On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning? Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not... Our new Unifi AP has been running
about 24 hours without a hitch. I started up the controller on my desktop,
and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi. I had not pushed any
buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.
Is this a known issue?
Not nice.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.
On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW), but
I didn't have a lot of choices. When Unifi didn't work, I googled
around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.
But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
memory.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
manage it.
On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
With all the talk, we got some of these. Put one up in our office
this
morning. It seems to work OK.
Controller takes a century to load
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Video/Can-the-AirVision-NVR-also-be-a-Unifi-controller/td-p/496965
Read the whole thread
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
The AirVision units will control Unifi APs?
-Ty
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=UVC-NVR
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:52 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't seen the controllers as soon as I get back in office. I'll look
around at the vendors I use
On Jan 22, 2015 12:51 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Wherever you buy Ubiquity.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of joseph marsh
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where is a good place to get it
On Jan 22, 2015 12:22 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Joseph,
Get the airControl appliance. It’s ready to go out of the box, you can install
it at your office or in one of your towers. It does not matter where it is as
long as it has internet and a static IP.
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of joseph marsh
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Mike who u recommend?
On Jan 21, 2015 8:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of VM providers. Amazon is the biggest and
Google, Microsoft, Rackspace and many others are big, but almost every hosting
company offers them. I'm not sure of their pros\cons because I run my own
environment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where u get the VM or vps
On Jan 21, 2015 5:15 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, just get a cheap VPS from somewhere. Problem solved.
On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One {VM provider of choice} instance for all UniFis everywhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I don't think he has a VM cluster set up. Not worth setting up one for just
Unifi.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One VM anywhere in the world with Internet access is all you need.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:00:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Can I set up a PC at the tower and mange it that way
On Jan 21, 2015 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No. You need it when you make changes only. Once it's configured you can turn
the machine off. It obviously won't be able to do reporting and such, but
it'll function like a normal AP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time
On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning? Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not... Our new Unifi AP has been running
about 24 hours without a hitch. I started up the controller on my desktop,
and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi. I had
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] the future of being an ISP
Anyone have a link to the proposal? I understand that there are loopholes for small utilities. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] the future of being an ISP Ok, since I sort of started this…I posted something similar on my personal Facebook page and corrected it later in the day. I didn’t really expect it to take on a life of it’s own. The video of the house hearing is here: http://www.c-span.org/video/?323888-1/hearing-open-internet Mark On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: Is there a link or anything to see the details? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:02 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: This posted on the facebook page of Athena Broadband of TN today: Chairman Powell of the FCC plans to reclassify the Internet as a regulated utility on Feb 26th. The chairman has confirmed in a house hearing today that USF fees WILL apply to Internet service. The current USF collection rate is 16.8% and adjusts automatically depending on how much money the government spends. If the FCC does this everyone's bill is going up by at least 16.8%. Be on the lookout as we may need your help again supporting our cause in DC against these types of actions! Looks like i've confirmed most the points of this post: * Unless we REALLY make some noise, we are probably being reclassified as a utility (title II). Yuk * Folks screaming on the radio tonight (talk radio) - internet bills go up by 16.8%. Comments? How do we break this to our customers? When will it take effect? How do we stop it? Can we stop it? How will you answer customer questions about this? ___ Members mailing list mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Joseph,
Get the airControl appliance. It’s ready to go out of the box, you can install
it at your office or in one of your towers. It does not matter where it is as
long as it has internet and a static IP.
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of joseph marsh
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Mike who u recommend?
On Jan 21, 2015 8:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of VM providers. Amazon is the biggest and
Google, Microsoft, Rackspace and many others are big, but almost every hosting
company offers them. I'm not sure of their pros\cons because I run my own
environment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where u get the VM or vps
On Jan 21, 2015 5:15 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, just get a cheap VPS from somewhere. Problem solved.
On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One {VM provider of choice} instance for all UniFis everywhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I don't think he has a VM cluster set up. Not worth setting up one for just
Unifi.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One VM anywhere in the world with Internet access is all you need.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:00:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Can I set up a PC at the tower and mange it that way
On Jan 21, 2015 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No. You need it when you make changes only. Once it's configured you can turn
the machine off. It obviously won't be able to do reporting and such, but
it'll function like a normal AP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time
On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning? Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not... Our new Unifi AP has been running
about 24 hours without a hitch. I started up the controller on my desktop,
and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi. I had not pushed any
buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.
Is this a known issue?
Not nice.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.
On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW), but
I didn't have a lot of choices. When Unifi didn't work, I googled
around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.
But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
memory.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
manage it.
On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
With all the talk, we got some of these. Put one up in our office
this
morning. It seems to work OK.
Controller takes a century to load initially.
I had to time-travel back from 2115 to write this.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/13/2015 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/13/15 13:49, Daniel White wrote:
I have a Unifi AC AP at my house. Have not been overly impressed.
I have two at the office. They don't do much more than basic office
wireless stuff though and seem to be fine so far. What have you
found
lacking?
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
that it prohibits what he did? I see your restriction on reviews etc but unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t specify posts or reviews on sites other that http://towercoverage.com towercoverage.com. IANAL of course so maybe it’s implied, but what I read there seems to only apply to actions on your site. James Howard LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. From: Af [mailto: mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:49 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Yep.. bout the truth.. lol. :) Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. mailto:den...@linktechs.net den...@linktechs.net – tel:314-735-0270 314-735-0270 – http://www.linktechs.net www.linktechs.net From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson (airCloud) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:46 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Well aren’t you monitoring every list and every forum all the time? Sheesh, slacker.. Jerry From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:46 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? What I love about this, is a person posted to this forum several hours PRIOR to sending in a support e-mail asking or telling us his account had an issue. If he would have sent the email quickly, I’m sure the issue would have been fixed much quicker. Typical end user issue, let’s not go through the normal support channels to get help. Going around support channels is quicker right! Guess you can’t win them all. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. mailto:den...@linktechs.net den...@linktechs.net – tel:314-735-0270 314-735-0270 – http://www.linktechs.net www.linktechs.net From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:19 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Buyer beware Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: http://www.towerocverage.com www.towerocverage.com :) Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. mailto:den...@linktechs.net den...@linktechs.net – tel:314-735-0270 314-735-0270 – http://www.linktechs.net www.linktechs.net From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:58 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Probably a couple months ago, someone posted a link (or name) of software that can lay out your Frequency usage on a map. Been searching this AM for it, without success. Anyone recall that software name? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 tel:772-564-6800 772-564-6800 office tel:772-473-0352 772-473-0352 cell http://www.pdmnet.com/ www.pdmnet.com mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net pa...@pdmnet.net _ Total Control Panel https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net Login To: https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net ja...@litewire.net From: https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2997040152domain=litewire.net 014b0d65ddb3-fb830839-331c-48e0-a7b1-fd0653e97534-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2997040152domain=litewire.net Remove http://amazonses.com amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain http://amazonses.com amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
Well aren’t you monitoring every list and every forum all the time? Sheesh, slacker.. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? What I love about this, is a person posted to this forum several hours PRIOR to sending in a support e-mail asking or telling us his account had an issue. If he would have sent the email quickly, I’m sure the issue would have been fixed much quicker. Typical end user issue, let’s not go through the normal support channels to get help. Going around support channels is quicker right! Guess you can’t win them all. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Buyer beware Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: www.towerocverage.com http://www.towerocverage.com :) Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:58 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Probably a couple months ago, someone posted a link (or name) of software that can lay out your Frequency usage on a map. Been searching this AM for it, without success. Anyone recall that software name? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
By the way used the service last week and found it to match damn close to RM Nice job. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson (airCloud) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Well aren’t you monitoring every list and every forum all the time? Sheesh, slacker.. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:46 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? What I love about this, is a person posted to this forum several hours PRIOR to sending in a support e-mail asking or telling us his account had an issue. If he would have sent the email quickly, I’m sure the issue would have been fixed much quicker. Typical end user issue, let’s not go through the normal support channels to get help. Going around support channels is quicker right! Guess you can’t win them all. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Buyer beware Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: www.towerocverage.com http://www.towerocverage.com :) Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 7:58 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Probably a couple months ago, someone posted a link (or name) of software that can lay out your Frequency usage on a map. Been searching this AM for it, without success. Anyone recall that software name? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn
Do what the rest of us do. Sit down with two mikrotiks and work through it. No better way to support the things you sell than to build it yourself. Paying someone to do it for you sets up a situation where you will always be paying them. As a startup, time is cheaper than money. Start here: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=13t=54691view=next Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 15, 2015, at 10:39 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Sweet I have mikrotiks, I just need the expert now!! On Jan 15, 2015 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Sure you can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 15, 2015 1:29 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: Can I do multiple sites? Or just point A to point B On Jan 15, 2015 12:09 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Link technologies or butch evans can set this up for you Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site to site vpn Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2015 11:42 AM What us the best way to do a site to site vpn. I have a site 30 miles and 17 miles from my office and would like to make radio changes from my office if possible
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
If there is a better value than unifi I don't know what it is.
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
On Jan 13, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:
Unifi is not hard to set up at all. I put about 20 of them in my kid's school
and it works great. VLAN'd 3 separate networks, one for teachers, one for
students, and one for guests. I don't use the payments stuff of course and
access is still controlled by a CCR behind it all, but it has not even had so
much as a hiccup in over a year since it went in. This is not even the
enterprise version as it was not out yet when I put the system in.
Cameron
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Gino,
What do like (and dislike?) about Meraki, and which others have you tried?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/13/2015 6:47 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Meraki
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com ��
@aeronetpr
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Doing WiFi for a restaurant��� what would be good for deploying
WiFi�
Ubnt unifi, meraki or something else?
Re: [AFMUG] FCC Changes the way device certification is done
Love it! Might get shit done. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Changes the way device certification is done Wow! Talk about privatizing guvmnt. This looks good to me. From: Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@spitwspots.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:54 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com ; WISPA General List mailto:wirel...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Changes the way device certification is done http://community.ubnt.com/ubnt/attachments/ubnt/Business_Talk/42403/1/FCC-14-208A1.pdf -- josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions
I am so over email... Most users that had an airCloud.net email address have long since gone to a free email address. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 7:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISP solutions So... Has anyone found a good solution for Gmail yet? If so I would love to hear it. Also does anyone know if the free service is also going away or was it just Apps for ISP's paid? We have one domain that was grandfathered in and one that is paid. Just wondering if we'll have to migrate the free account as well. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] New WISP
A big one is to know where your bandwidth will come from, initially and when you need more. If possible a source that can be increased as needed as changing ISPs is a huge PITA Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:16 PM, cstann...@gmail.com wrote: Have high installation standards - good signal level, well-attached mounts and cabling, everything high is grounded, and don't use temporary/weird/hard-to-access wood poles or popups. No exceptions to those since almost every one will bite you in the butt later, some of our competitors and super-cheap wifi guys and many of the times we swap customers a complete reinstall is required. From: Trevor Bough trevorbo...@gmail.com Sender: Af af-boun...@afmug.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 00:21:09 + To: af@afmug.com ReplyTo: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] New WISP Hi guys, long time listener, first time caller. I'm looking at starting a new rural WISP and was wondering if you guys could share some of the things you wish you had known when you started out. Things to absolutely stay away from, things that you didn't think of first, but made your life 10x easier, etc. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS
Honestly, PRTG has been rock solid and does everything. 2 hour, 1 day, 2 day, 30 day, 1 year graphing Alerting/alarms for unusual/down nodes (excess traffic, latency, interface errors) Mapping NTOP Group alerting/notification Custom Dashboards Report emailed automatically Sensor views by highest/lowest latency, bandwidth, etc -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS Speaking of NMS, is there a consensus as to what is the favorite? -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS If you just need to know when the power goes out, get a Site Monitor for $99. It has two power inputs. Connect input 1 to your battery backed power, and input 2 to a wall wart on an A/C outlet. Monitor the voltage on the two power inputs in your NMS. When input 2 has zero voltage, then the power is out. Add a current shunt for $20 more and then you can measure your load and voltage, from there you can estimate your expected run time. Probably not as easy as the APC management card. I'm at my end. I've been looking at this for a while now and it's obvious that no one makes an industrial APC UPS that works. We've tried the Alpha Cordex (DIN rail) and the ICT (19 rack) and neither one can do what a APC management card can. We just need it to provide 24vDC to a load and when the AC power goes out, send an alert and let us monitor the system status via SNMP. Alpha: PROS: DIN rail mounted CONS: Web interface is IE only, SNMP requests are completely broken, have not tested SNMP traps, cost is about $700. ICT: PROS: It works well as a dumb power supply/charger with UPS functionality, web interface works in all browsers. CONS: SNMP is limited to about 6 values, all remote communication is lost when AC is removed, no battery monitoring at all other than the voltage for use with LV cutoff which is one of the values that is not available via SNMP. Also costs about $700 I have to give it to Alpha at this point, at least their unit remains intelligent when AC power is removed. If they would fix their web interface and SNMP it would be perfect. So... Does anyone have a solution that works that isn't completely cobbled together? I need to know when we lose/regain AC power, that the battery is draining, what the battery voltage is so that I know when it's about to cut off, it needs a LV cut off to protect the batteries, and all this information needs to be available via SNMP and web. Am I asking for too much or does something of this nature exist outside of TrippLite and APC?
Re: [AFMUG] What polarity is this panel?
Depends on orientation. IIRC there is an arrow on the label that shows which way is horizontal http://www.antennas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ARC-PA0913B01_DS_090811.pdf From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What polarity is this panel? Probably hpol Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 5, 2015 6:40 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: How do you know how this Arc Wireless panel is polarized? I don't have any packing information handy, the spec sheets I found on line don't say and there is nothing written on the panel besides the label. My guess is the panel in the picture is horizontally polarized.
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
Android has a few apps for this. Perhaps a tablet in a hard case? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.metageek.inSSIDer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.metageek.inSSIDerhl=en hl=en From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. From: mailto:af@afmug.com Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:42 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Nanobeam for tight focal point. Picostation for a 6dbi omni (or if you want to change antenna). Both run AirOS/Airview which is a real spectrum analyzer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com wrote: What is a good lower cost spectrum analyzer to help techs sniff out customer’s wifi coverage?
Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer
Just put this app on a cheap nook tablet and it’s actually pretty good. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzerhl=en From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer I don’t want the spam. From: Josh Luthman via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Need to request a quote =/ http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Spectrum/BumbleBee-EX/bumblebee-exRFQ.htm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Looking at everything. Fluke has a nice one. Cannot find a price for this device: BumbleBee-EX Spectrum Analyzer From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:53 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer If you're just looking for Wifi stuff I'd use this too. Doesn't sound like you need 2.4, just Wifi. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Android cell phone app. Free! Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:32 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Looking for something under $300 -Original Message- From: Daniel White via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Compared to what ;-) Certainly a lot less than an Agilent/Keysight Fieldfox or Anritsu Sitemaster. Honestly I doubt it’s the tool you want for this job. I think you pick your poison - WiFi based are thinks like WiSpy, or even an app on an Android phone... or you go all out for a spectrum analyzer like Aaronia or SAF (which is a whole different debate). Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer Spendy as I recall. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer On 12/30/14 9:45, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Looking more for a handheld device that has a nice screen, dual band. SAF Spectrum Compact has a model for 2.000 - 8.000 GHz. ~Seth
[AFMUG] Rocket AC lite CPU and Memory OID
Walked it several time. Looks like they just aren't there Wonder when Ubiquity will truly understand what it means to be enterprise. SNMP is not optional, it's mandatory. Sent from my iPad
[AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improvement on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
I have been an iPhone uer for a while - 3, 4, 5, 5s. I'll get a 6 next year. Main reasons for not changing: - Stability. These things just keep working much like yours. - Consistency. I know iOS, the apps are proofed and generally work as expected - Investment. Got a lot of $$ ties up in apps and music. It's easier to stay with iPhone I'm on ATT, wife is on Verizon. Both have excellent coverage and few holes. I used to burn through data faster when I was commuting and in the field. Now that I'm at a home office on WiFi I use much less. Hope that helps. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go mobile value share plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated.
[AFMUG] AirFiber 5 experiences - good/bad/ugly
Looking for some feedback on AF5. Looking at a 11.5 mile shot 40MHz channel. Thanks
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
Pretty sure MikroTik routers will spit out a Trap when then interfaces change state. Loopback wiring to a magnetic or button switch would do the trick, you wouldn’t even need a relay. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this. However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let's count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringi ng-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
iMovix shot the Ryder Cup in UHD It’s coming. I suspect we will see some further incremental improvements in CODECs but I see this as a good thing, nothing drives bandwidth capacity improvements like content :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
