Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Thanks Forest. If you need any testing done by me let me know. The sites is a 
little far away but I can probably get a tech to stop out and plug different 
cables in for me while I monitor remote. 

Just to make things a little more complicated I do have a PowerInjector and a 
SyncInjector at the original trouble site. Being fed from a Sync Box Jr. First 
to the PowerInjector then to the SyncInjector. 

 

Also the SyncInjector today that did work is the old enough version ( sorry 
didn’t get the version) but it’s the old enough one that says only 24 volts on 
it but it can do 48 volts. Its from that transition stage when you were 
shipping with the older label still.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:30 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

Electrically a powerinjector+sync Rev J is identical to a syncinjector Rev H.  
Same circuit, add jumpers.   There are of course some layout differences but 
electrically they're identical.

 

This is exactly the type of weird crap we see with the ePMP, that makes no 
sense at all.   I'm not recommending this, but it wouldn't surprise me if you 
swapped that powerinjector for the syncinjector and it worked perfectly.  I 
also wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

 

I'm traveling the next couple of days, when I get back early next week I'll see 
if I can squeeze out a few hours to get an ePMP on the bench again and see if 
anything else leaps out at me as far as why this might be occuring...   

 

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> 
wrote:

Forest,

We are running the sites on 200 foot wires. Power injector is in fact Gig and 
no jumpers were changed running on 48 volts. We are running through MTOW 
suppression REVD however we have bypassed the suppression to see if it makes a 
difference. It did not. I have also bypassed the suppression and used a 2 foot 
non shielded patch to another AP laying on the desk inside the building with no 
puck installed. It did not receive sync over the CMM3. Last piece of equipment 
is a SyncBox Junior Basic for the sync. Firmware is 2.6.2.1

 

I am at another site today where we did not have our ePMP APs on packetflux for 
power or sync. They were running on OEM power and GPS pucks. I have a 450i 
running at this site on a Gigabit SyncInjector 48 volt powering it. It has a 
SyncPipe Basic for its GPS. Since there is only one 450i on the unit I put one 
of the 2.4 ePMP APs on it and set it to CMM3. It received sync in under 2 
minutes after being physically powered off. Faster on reboot. Firmware is 
2.6.2.1. MTOW suppression is REV A1.  This site is at about 180 feet of wire 
per ap.

 

I was really hoping it would not work here and I could start looking at reasons 
that I had created to cause the issue but no dice.  Is it possible it’s a 
SyncBox Jr or PowerInjector difference causing this? I would assume others are 
using the newer platforms with ePMP and CMM3.

 

Is there any specific grounding requirements for the PowerInjectors that were 
not on the SynInjectors? 

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:10 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

ePMP is frustrating to say the least.

 

My favorite story was of a customer who couldn't make ePMP work with a 
powerinjector.   We sent replacement equipment and they had a full tower of 
spares.   

 

Swapped the entire tower one by one piece.   Still wouldn't work.   Everything 
looks fine, lights blinking, etc

 

They took the original equipment back to the shop.  Hooked it up on the bench, 
worked perfectly.  Mind you this is exactly the gear on the tower which didn't 
work - no configuration changes, etc, other than using patch cables to make it 
work.   

 

Then they took that equipment back out to the tower, swapped it back in so it 
was identical to the original and amazingly it all works perfectly.  As far as 
I know it is still working just fine.

 

I've had exactly one time on the bench that I couldn't get an ePMP to sync up.  
 Could reboot it, swapped cables, etc, still no work.   Grabbed the cable I use 
to hook a cable up to the scope  Plug it in, ePMP immediately starts 
working.   "Fine, it's something which this cable changes".  Put the original 
cable back in place, ePMP *still* receiving sync fine.  No matter what I try I 
can't get it to fail again.   So much for being able to reproduce it.

 

Just out of curiosity, did any of the Jumpers in the PowerInjector+Sync get 
changed?   Is this a gigabit powerinjector?

 

-forrest

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

That’s George and Josh,

We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I can 
figure out. Certa

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Electrically a powerinjector+sync Rev J is identical to a syncinjector Rev
H.  Same circuit, add jumpers.   There are of course some layout
differences but electrically they're identical.

This is exactly the type of weird crap we see with the ePMP, that makes no
sense at all.   I'm not recommending this, but it wouldn't surprise me if
you swapped that powerinjector for the syncinjector and it worked
perfectly.  I also wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

I'm traveling the next couple of days, when I get back early next week I'll
see if I can squeeze out a few hours to get an ePMP on the bench again and
see if anything else leaps out at me as far as why this might be
occuring...

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
wrote:

> Forest,
>
> We are running the sites on 200 foot wires. Power injector is in fact Gig
> and no jumpers were changed running on 48 volts. We are running through
> MTOW suppression REVD however we have bypassed the suppression to see if it
> makes a difference. It did not. I have also bypassed the suppression and
> used a 2 foot non shielded patch to another AP laying on the desk inside
> the building with no puck installed. It did not receive sync over the CMM3.
> Last piece of equipment is a SyncBox Junior Basic for the sync. Firmware is
> 2.6.2.1
>
>
>
> I am at another site today where we did not have our ePMP APs on
> packetflux for power or sync. They were running on OEM power and GPS pucks.
> I have a 450i running at this site on a Gigabit SyncInjector 48 volt
> powering it. It has a SyncPipe Basic for its GPS. Since there is only one
> 450i on the unit I put one of the 2.4 ePMP APs on it and set it to CMM3. It
> received sync in under 2 minutes after being physically powered off. Faster
> on reboot. Firmware is 2.6.2.1. MTOW suppression is REV A1.  This site is
> at about 180 feet of wire per ap.
>
>
>
> I was really hoping it would not work here and I could start looking at
> reasons that I had created to cause the issue but no dice.  Is it possible
> it’s a SyncBox Jr or PowerInjector difference causing this? I would assume
> others are using the newer platforms with ePMP and CMM3.
>
>
>
> Is there any specific grounding requirements for the PowerInjectors that
> were not on the SynInjectors?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:10 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> ePMP is frustrating to say the least.
>
>
>
> My favorite story was of a customer who couldn't make ePMP work with a
> powerinjector.   We sent replacement equipment and they had a full tower of
> spares.
>
>
>
> Swapped the entire tower one by one piece.   Still wouldn't work.
> Everything looks fine, lights blinking, etc
>
>
>
> They took the original equipment back to the shop.  Hooked it up on the
> bench, worked perfectly.  Mind you this is exactly the gear on the tower
> which didn't work - no configuration changes, etc, other than using patch
> cables to make it work.
>
>
>
> Then they took that equipment back out to the tower, swapped it back in so
> it was identical to the original and amazingly it all works perfectly.  As
> far as I know it is still working just fine.
>
>
>
> I've had exactly one time on the bench that I couldn't get an ePMP to sync
> up.   Could reboot it, swapped cables, etc, still no work.   Grabbed the
> cable I use to hook a cable up to the scope  Plug it in, ePMP
> immediately starts working.   "Fine, it's something which this cable
> changes".  Put the original cable back in place, ePMP *still* receiving
> sync fine.  No matter what I try I can't get it to fail again.   So much
> for being able to reproduce it.
>
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, did any of the Jumpers in the PowerInjector+Sync
> get changed?   Is this a gigabit powerinjector?
>
>
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
> wrote:
>
> That’s George and Josh,
>
> We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I
> can figure out. Certainly is frustrating. I reached out to Forest to see
> his thoughts as well.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench.
> Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on P

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Forest,

We are running the sites on 200 foot wires. Power injector is in fact Gig and 
no jumpers were changed running on 48 volts. We are running through MTOW 
suppression REVD however we have bypassed the suppression to see if it makes a 
difference. It did not. I have also bypassed the suppression and used a 2 foot 
non shielded patch to another AP laying on the desk inside the building with no 
puck installed. It did not receive sync over the CMM3. Last piece of equipment 
is a SyncBox Junior Basic for the sync. Firmware is 2.6.2.1

 

I am at another site today where we did not have our ePMP APs on packetflux for 
power or sync. They were running on OEM power and GPS pucks. I have a 450i 
running at this site on a Gigabit SyncInjector 48 volt powering it. It has a 
SyncPipe Basic for its GPS. Since there is only one 450i on the unit I put one 
of the 2.4 ePMP APs on it and set it to CMM3. It received sync in under 2 
minutes after being physically powered off. Faster on reboot. Firmware is 
2.6.2.1. MTOW suppression is REV A1.  This site is at about 180 feet of wire 
per ap.

 

I was really hoping it would not work here and I could start looking at reasons 
that I had created to cause the issue but no dice.  Is it possible it’s a 
SyncBox Jr or PowerInjector difference causing this? I would assume others are 
using the newer platforms with ePMP and CMM3.

 

Is there any specific grounding requirements for the PowerInjectors that were 
not on the SynInjectors? 

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:10 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

ePMP is frustrating to say the least.

 

My favorite story was of a customer who couldn't make ePMP work with a 
powerinjector.   We sent replacement equipment and they had a full tower of 
spares.   

 

Swapped the entire tower one by one piece.   Still wouldn't work.   Everything 
looks fine, lights blinking, etc

 

They took the original equipment back to the shop.  Hooked it up on the bench, 
worked perfectly.  Mind you this is exactly the gear on the tower which didn't 
work - no configuration changes, etc, other than using patch cables to make it 
work.   

 

Then they took that equipment back out to the tower, swapped it back in so it 
was identical to the original and amazingly it all works perfectly.  As far as 
I know it is still working just fine.

 

I've had exactly one time on the bench that I couldn't get an ePMP to sync up.  
 Could reboot it, swapped cables, etc, still no work.   Grabbed the cable I use 
to hook a cable up to the scope  Plug it in, ePMP immediately starts 
working.   "Fine, it's something which this cable changes".  Put the original 
cable back in place, ePMP *still* receiving sync fine.  No matter what I try I 
can't get it to fail again.   So much for being able to reproduce it.

 

Just out of curiosity, did any of the Jumpers in the PowerInjector+Sync get 
changed?   Is this a gigabit powerinjector?

 

-forrest

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

That’s George and Josh,

We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I can 
figure out. Certainly is frustrating. I reached out to Forest to see his 
thoughts as well.

 

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench. 
Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no jumper 
changes.

Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio laying face 
down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and power-cycled. CMM sync 
status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a lat, long and height. 2 sats 
visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes up after 3 minutes and 15 seconds or 
so. If the radio comes up with a good on-board GPS lock, it will receive CMM 
sync pretty fast. If I simply reboot the radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds 
after it lets me log in. A power-cycle resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but 
a soft reboot does not.

I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months ago. 
Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing, regardless 
if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the sync-over-power pulse is fed 
into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy, this is all done in the FPGA. So I 
suppose if the on-board GPS locks up, then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. 
I don't really know.

I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.

On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we have a 
failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will w

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

ePMP is frustrating to say the least.

My favorite story was of a customer who couldn't make ePMP work with a
powerinjector.   We sent replacement equipment and they had a full tower of
spares.

Swapped the entire tower one by one piece.   Still wouldn't work.
Everything looks fine, lights blinking, etc

They took the original equipment back to the shop.  Hooked it up on the
bench, worked perfectly.  Mind you this is exactly the gear on the tower
which didn't work - no configuration changes, etc, other than using patch
cables to make it work.

Then they took that equipment back out to the tower, swapped it back in so
it was identical to the original and amazingly it all works perfectly.  As
far as I know it is still working just fine.

I've had exactly one time on the bench that I couldn't get an ePMP to sync
up.   Could reboot it, swapped cables, etc, still no work.   Grabbed the
cable I use to hook a cable up to the scope  Plug it in, ePMP
immediately starts working.   "Fine, it's something which this cable
changes".  Put the original cable back in place, ePMP *still* receiving
sync fine.  No matter what I try I can't get it to fail again.   So much
for being able to reproduce it.

Just out of curiosity, did any of the Jumpers in the PowerInjector+Sync get
changed?   Is this a gigabit powerinjector?

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
wrote:

> That’s George and Josh,
>
> We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I
> can figure out. Certainly is frustrating. I reached out to Forest to see
> his thoughts as well.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench.
> Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no
> jumper changes.
>
> Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio laying
> face down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and power-cycled.
> CMM sync status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a lat, long and
> height. 2 sats visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes up after 3
> minutes and 15 seconds or so. If the radio comes up with a good on-board
> GPS lock, it will receive CMM sync pretty fast. If I simply reboot the
> radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds after it lets me log in. A power-cycle
> resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but a soft reboot does not.
>
> I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months ago.
> Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing,
> regardless if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the
> sync-over-power pulse is fed into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy,
> this is all done in the FPGA. So I suppose if the on-board GPS locks up,
> then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. I don't really know.
>
> I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.
>
> On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>
> I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we
> have a failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to
> drop back to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and
> the epmp wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24
> volts went to 29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff.
> No difference.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> 24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5
> GHz.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary
> GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary
> GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in
> order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the
> puck GPS was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned
> on CMM3 and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and
> moved the puck and its receiving GPS now.
>
>
>
> Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

That’s George and Josh,

We are running 2.6.2.1. Ill do some more testing on a bench and see what I can 
figure out. Certainly is frustrating. I reached out to Forest to see his 
thoughts as well.

 

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench. 
Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no jumper 
changes.

Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio laying face 
down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and power-cycled. CMM sync 
status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a lat, long and height. 2 sats 
visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes up after 3 minutes and 15 seconds or 
so. If the radio comes up with a good on-board GPS lock, it will receive CMM 
sync pretty fast. If I simply reboot the radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds 
after it lets me log in. A power-cycle resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but 
a soft reboot does not.

I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months ago. 
Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing, regardless 
if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the sync-over-power pulse is fed 
into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy, this is all done in the FPGA. So I 
suppose if the on-board GPS locks up, then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. 
I don't really know.

I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.

On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we have a 
failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to drop back 
to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and the epmp 
wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24 volts went to 
29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff. No difference. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5 GHz.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> 
wrote:

Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary GPS 
for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary GPS and 
just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in order to 
provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the puck GPS was 
blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3 and 
never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the puck 
and its receiving GPS now. 

 

Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the 
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the cables 
from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no problem on the 
450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed an extra AP off the 
truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded Ethernet to the packetflux and 
still no GPS on CMM3.

 

We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using them out 
of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just fine to 
the450i.

 

 

So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we are all 
just using the puck.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[George Skorup]

I have a PowerInjector+Sync w/ a SyncBox attached running on the bench. 
Receiving sync just fine. 48VDC supply on PowerA. New out of the box, no 
jumper changes.


Plugged in a 5GHz GPS radio running 3.2.2. Puck disconnected, radio 
laying face down on the table. Set sync source to CMM3. Saved and 
power-cycled. CMM sync status is down. On-board GPS status shows n/a 
lat, long and height. 2 sats visible, 0 tracked. CMM sync finally comes 
up after 3 minutes and 15 seconds or so. If the radio comes up with a 
good on-board GPS lock, it will receive CMM sync pretty fast. If I 
simply reboot the radio, CMM sync is up a few seconds after it lets me 
log in. A power-cycle resets the on-board GPS (obviously), but a soft 
reboot does not.


I remember someone from Cambium explained some of this several months 
ago. Maybe Sriram or Dan Sullivan? They use the on-board GPS for timing, 
regardless if a CMM is in use or not, but if it is, then the 
sync-over-power pulse is fed into the on-board GPS. Whereas with Canopy, 
this is all done in the FPGA. So I suppose if the on-board GPS locks up, 
then perhaps CMM sync won't work either. I don't really know.


I don't know what to tell you other than ask Cambium for help.

On 3/28/2017 4:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until 
we have a failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will 
want to drop back to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i 
works fine and the epmp wont. Its seems like they should be the same. 
We started on 24 volts went to 29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to 
match the 450i stuff. No difference.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and 
four 5 GHz.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
<li...@gogebicrange.net <mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:


Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the 
primary GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as 
the primary GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites 
with Packetflux in order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one 
site we has an AP that the puck GPS was blocked during install and 
would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3 and never were able to get 
GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the puck and its 
receiving GPS now.


Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the 
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the 
cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no 
problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and 
grabbed an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none 
shielded Ethernet to the packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.


We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using 
them out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS 
just fine to the450i.


So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if 
we are all just using the puck.


Thanks,

Brandon

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Josh Luthman]

Make sure you're on the later firmware versions.  I think it was a 2.3.x
bug where it would say no sync but it actually was.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
wrote:

> I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we
> have a failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to
> drop back to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and
> the epmp wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24
> volts went to 29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff.
> No difference.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux
>
>
>
> 24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5
> GHz.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net>
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary
> GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary
> GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in
> order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the
> puck GPS was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned
> on CMM3 and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and
> moved the puck and its receiving GPS now.
>
>
>
> Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
> packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the
> cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no
> problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed
> an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded
> Ethernet to the packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.
>
>
>
> We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using
> them out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just
> fine to the450i.
>
>
>
>
>
> So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we
> are all just using the puck.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I figured someone had to be doing it. Its not that big of deal until we have a 
failure on one of the pucks in bad weather and then we will want to drop back 
to the packetflux. I can’t figure out why the 450i works fine and the epmp 
wont. Its seems like they should be the same. We started on 24 volts went to 
29.5 volts and then to 48 volts just to match the 450i stuff. No difference. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 3:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

 

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5 GHz.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> 
wrote:

Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary GPS 
for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary GPS and 
just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in order to 
provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the puck GPS was 
blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3 and 
never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the puck 
and its receiving GPS now. 

 

Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the 
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the cables 
from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no problem on the 
450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed an extra AP off the 
truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded Ethernet to the packetflux and 
still no GPS on CMM3.

 

We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using them out 
of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just fine to 
the450i.

 

 

So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we are all 
just using the puck.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Josh Luthman]

24v Power Injector has worked for ages here.  CMM3 on four 2.4 and four 5
GHz.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary
> GPS for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary
> GPS and just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in
> order to provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the
> puck GPS was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned
> on CMM3 and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and
> moved the puck and its receiving GPS now.
>
>
>
> Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
> packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the
> cables from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no
> problem on the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed
> an extra AP off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded
> Ethernet to the packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.
>
>
>
> We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using
> them out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just
> fine to the450i.
>
>
>
>
>
> So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we
> are all just using the puck.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>

[AFMUG] 2.4 epmp and packetflux

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Is anyone successfully running epmp 2.4 aps on packetflux as the primary GPS
for them? We have our sites with the onboard GPS puck as the primary GPS and
just recently started powering the newest sites with Packetflux in order to
provide a secondary GPS signal. At one site we has an AP that the puck GPS
was blocked during install and would not receive sync so we turned on CMM3
and never were able to get GPS. Eventually we just did a climb and moved the
puck and its receiving GPS now. 

 

Last week when installing a new site I decided to try GPS through the
packetflux again and was not able to receive it. If I swap one of the cables
from a 450i into the same port on the packetflux we get GPS no problem on
the 450i AP but no joy on the epmp. I even went out and grabbed an extra AP
off the truck plugged it in with a 2 foot none shielded Ethernet to the
packetflux and still no GPS on CMM3.

 

We are using power injector plus at the newest sites. No changes using them
out of the box on 48 volts and like I mentioned they provide GPS just fine
to the450i.

 

 

So I am wondering if anyone is running this setup successfully of if we are
all just using the puck.

 

Thanks,

Brandon