Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
If what I remember of Alpha pricing is accurate, it would cost more than everything else at the site combined. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sat, 09 May 2015 18:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Looks sweet. Price? Anyone used one? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Seems to have all you want plus more! http://www.alpha.ca/web2/products/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
I had thrown this out to FB earlier: Thoughts the different systems. These would be for smaller sites. Bigger sites would likely get a 48v plant, 4x 100 aH batteries, etc. 1 === Traco TSP090-124 Traco BCM24 2x 12v 22 aH batteries First idea Electronics roughly same cost as #2, but larger capacity 2 === Traco TBL060-124BC 1x 12v 22aH battery Repeater site Electronics roughly same cost as #1, but has a battery testing system, could add second battery to match uptime 3 === Traco TSP090-124 Traco TSP-BCMU360 2x 12v 22 aH batteries Mostly costly option (by about $50), but could upgrade to full site without changing out BCM, can accommodate two power supplies for redundancy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:03:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Looks sweet. Price? Anyone used one? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Seems to have all you want plus more! http://www.alpha.ca/web2/products/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Seems to have all you want plus more! http://www.alpha.ca/web2/products/standard-systems/dc-power-solutions/item/cordex-psu From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 6:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The install instructions for it also mention a battery test, but like the other BCM units there's minimal information on how the test operates. I asked Traco for more information on the test it does. Maybe it's the same process as the TLB-BC I mentioned earlier today, just not documented as such. If that's the case, the BCMU seems like a slam dunk. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)mailto:geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
That's what it looks like. Seems they've refined the product brochures and datasheets. If the connected supply fails, the battery is then connected to the load (buffer mode), a step up converter is used to maintain the selected output voltage level, Vnom - 6% (typical). They also lead you to believe that it still has the TSP remote control. The module provides two inputs to connect two power supplies to facilitate a redundant system. If one of the two connected sources fails then the second supply will provide energy to load maintaining the desired operation of the unit. The unit is designed to function with the TRACO POWER TSP series, but due to its standalone nature it can be used with any type of fully stabilized 24V or 48V power supply On 5/9/2015 4:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
[AFMUG] Another DC Question
Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Powerbox? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
http://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf The BCM datasheet doesn't say anything about battery tests. The part the TBL-BC seems to do differently is: = The unit incorporates full automatic monitoring for the presence and condition of the battery. Two different battery tests are carried out (passive or active) depending on the battery voltage. Both types of test are carried out once every 60 seconds and the tests last ~2 seconds. If the battery voltage is between ~21.4V and ~25.5V a passive battery test is carried out which only tests the battery voltage but does not draw any current from the battery. Between 25.5V and the maximum battery voltage, an active battery test is carried out in which a current of ~1.2A is drawn from the battery through an internal load for ~2s. If the battery voltage is determined to be below ~23.8 V after any of these tests, then a battery fail notification is given. The battery tests are only carried while the mains voltage is ok. The unit also produces a failure notification in the event of a disconnected or short-circuited battery. In the event of a battery failure in any of these modes, the LED will turn constant RED and a built in open-Collector circuit stops sinking current from to the FAIL output pin. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:16:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
$176 As far as PowerBox, are you talking about the Australians? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
The Mikrotik outdoor Poe router, powerboard? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: $176 As far as PowerBox, are you talking about the Australians? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
It has a battery OK contact closure output, and a jumper to set the battery test interval to 10 minutes (default) or 15 seconds. The installation instructions say the battery test current is 2.5A for 60ms. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 1:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question http://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf The BCM datasheet doesn't say anything about battery tests. The part the TBL-BC seems to do differently is: = The unit incorporates full automatic monitoring for the presence and condition of the battery. Two different battery tests are carried out (passive or active) depending on the battery voltage. Both types of test are carried out once every 60 seconds and the tests last ~2 seconds. If the battery voltage is between ~21.4V and ~25.5V a passive battery test is carried out which only tests the battery voltage but does not draw any current from the battery. Between 25.5V and the maximum battery voltage, an active battery test is carried out in which a current of ~1.2A is drawn from the battery through an internal load for ~2s. If the battery voltage is determined to be below ~23.8 V after any of these tests, then a battery fail notification is given. The battery tests are only carried while the mains voltage is ok. The unit also produces a failure notification in the event of a disconnected or short-circuited battery. In the event of a battery failure in any of these modes, the LED will turn constant RED and a built in open-Collector circuit stops sinking current from to the FAIL output pin. = - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:16:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
Oh, I forgot about that as it didn't interest me when it came out. I would have the opposite problem as the SyncInjector, though without the sync. On the SyncInjector I'd have to wire non-Cambium devices backwards. With the PowerBox I'd have to wire Cambium devices backwards. That's not that big of a deal. Would lose the redundant timing ability. Would have to go to another method of power injection when I exceeded the capabilities of the built-in 750. Would still need to arrange surge suppression. Chuck's GigE-TWR is a bit out of my budget. ;-) Certainly a viable solution for everything at the site other than the initial question posed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:23:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question The Mikrotik outdoor Poe router, powerboard? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: $176 As far as PowerBox, are you talking about the Australians? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 1:06:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Price? I believe there are better options Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Right, which is why I mentioned it for repeater sites, not full sites. Something where you have like an RB750, a Force110 feed coming in and maybe a couple integrated units for APs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question Only 60w Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 9, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote /blockquote
