Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[David Milholen]

Good stuff Transtector , Tripplite

We use these guys for any AC outlet our gear get plugged into.

https://www.zoro.com/tripp-lite-surge-protector-15a-2-outlet-light-gray-iblok2-0/i/G4579531/?gclid=CLHnst2ewc4CFQioaQodrcQPsg=aw.ds

Youll find similar products used at the big boy sites like verizon and att

We have had a bunch of storms blow thru arkansas in the last year and so 
far [knocks on wood] we have not lost any live sites.
We did how ever lose a 450i AP on a site that wasnt fully turned up and 
we found a loose ground on the radio. Stainless and Potmetal which is 
stronger :)

Do not over torque your ground lugs

On 8/13/2016 9:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
It's not our site. But we're going to recommend a surge suppressor at 
the panel. If they won't do it, then we'll buy the stuff and do it 
ourselves. One of those and a 20A double pole breaker under $100. I 
forget what we normally use, probably Square D.


On 8/13/2016 8:58 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Did you use an ISO-BLok on your Main AC Line to your gear down stairs??



On 8/13/2016 5:55 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A 
couple were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and 
another only the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but 
dead. Lost that port on the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. 
I'm going to rebuild everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at 
least at the bottom.


What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same 
tower, albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the 
trouble of running dedicated power and optical, only to have some 
cheap Ubiquiti stuff outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on 
the Mimosa went through the SS and knocked out a port on my CCR - 
guess that will have to be replaced as well.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the
Phantom up first to see if those antennas were vaporized.
Surprisingly they were still there. The Cyclone still worked,
but the timing port was dead. Power port timing died on it last
year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly fine.
Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the
inverter in the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility
after discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers
after that. Yeah, that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS.
And a whole panel surge suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were
properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated
power wires as well.  Also had a couple customer's routers
get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather be at
Lake Shelbyville...






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Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[George Skorup]

It's not our site. But we're going to recommend a surge suppressor at 
the panel. If they won't do it, then we'll buy the stuff and do it 
ourselves. One of those and a 20A double pole breaker under $100. I 
forget what we normally use, probably Square D.


On 8/13/2016 8:58 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Did you use an ISO-BLok on your Main AC Line to your gear down stairs??



On 8/13/2016 5:55 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A 
couple were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and 
another only the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. 
Lost that port on the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm 
going to rebuild everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least 
at the bottom.


What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same 
tower, albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the 
trouble of running dedicated power and optical, only to have some 
cheap Ubiquiti stuff outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on 
the Mimosa went through the SS and knocked out a port on my CCR - 
guess that will have to be replaced as well.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the
Phantom up first to see if those antennas were vaporized.
Surprisingly they were still there. The Cyclone still worked,
but the timing port was dead. Power port timing died on it last
year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly fine. Some
stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the inverter in
the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after
discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers after
that. Yeah, that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a
whole panel surge suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were
properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power
wires as well.  Also had a couple customer's routers get
fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather be at Lake
Shelbyville...






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Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[David Milholen]

Imagine it happening in the dead of winter with ice hanging off the 
tower :::ARG!




On 8/13/2016 6:18 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I started hearing more and more thunder to the south (from home about 
15 miles away). Alarms started going nuts. Whole tower down? WTF! Sure 
enough, looking at the radar showed an orange/red-ish blob over the site.


I want to say I've seen this before. It was raining for 4-5 hours 
straight so the ground was very saturated. Like a pond saturated. 
Perhaps that acts as some kind of barrier and the lightning seeks 
structures and utility poles more often. All I know is when we get 
good rains in the spring and the soil is fairly wet throughout the 
summer, we have a lot less damage to gear on towers. Very dry and very 
wet soil seems to be bad. Maybe some dielectric effect. Those are my 
theories anyway.


On 8/13/2016 6:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This lightning storm was an oddly destructive one.  I had what 
appeared to be a fried PoE injector at a customer's house - the power 
supply and RB260GS were both OK, but the customer's router had a 
fried WAN port as well (fiber customer).  I'm going to do some 
testing on the PoE injector to see if that was the problem - it did 
smell a bit burnt though.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


GIGE-APC on the Mimosa.  I don't have anything SS wise up-top. 
I'm a bit torn on whether or not that does any good, plus

manufacturers don't like recommending anything.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:55 PM, George Skorup > wrote:

The surge suppressors we have at that site are
L-com/Hyperlinks. A couple were blown top and bottom. Another
radio was only the top and another only the bottom. The 900
AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. Lost that port on the
MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going to rebuild
everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the bottom.

What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the
same tower, albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to
all of the trouble of running dedicated power and optical,
only to have some cheap Ubiquiti stuff outlive it - makes
you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went through the SS and
knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will have to be
replaced as well.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew
the Phantom up first to see if those antennas were
vaporized. Surprisingly they were still there. The
Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead.
Power port timing died on it last year. 450 sectors,
AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly fine. Some stuff and
not others, I don't get it. It killed the inverter in
the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after
discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers
after that. Yeah, that'll be the next tower to get a DC
UPS. And a whole panel surge suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both
were properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with
dedicated power wires as well.  Also had a couple
customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun
day.  I would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...










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Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[David Milholen]

Did you use an ISO-BLok on your Main AC Line to your gear down stairs??



On 8/13/2016 5:55 PM, George Skorup wrote:
The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A 
couple were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and 
another only the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. 
Lost that port on the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going 
to rebuild everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the 
bottom.


What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same tower, 
albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the trouble of 
running dedicated power and optical, only to have some cheap Ubiquiti 
stuff outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went 
through the SS and knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will 
have to be replaced as well.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the
Phantom up first to see if those antennas were vaporized.
Surprisingly they were still there. The Cyclone still worked, but
the timing port was dead. Power port timing died on it last year.
450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly fine. Some stuff
and not others, I don't get it. It killed the inverter in the APC
UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after discovering that.
And then all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah, that'll be
the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were
properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power
wires as well.  Also had a couple customer's routers get
fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather be at Lake
Shelbyville...






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Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[George Skorup]

Haven't had any problems with Chuck's outdoor SS units regarding 
weathering or rain. But the problem we have been having with them 
(specifically the GIGE-SS-HV since that's all we've used) is 
intermittent ethernet link. I'm 99.9% sure that it's because of the way 
the cables enter the box. Especially with the thicker/stiffer Shireen 
gel tape cable we started using. The cables come in the center rubber 
grommet thingamajig. Then it's a pretty sharp angle to get them over to 
the ports. I believe pin #1 and possibly #2 on the left port (because 
the tab faces down) is just barely making contact. Not really sure how 
to solve that. Had the idea of installing small feed-thrus directly 
under the ports, but the box is too small for that.


We rebuilt a grain leg last month and ended up having to bypass them 
with couplers. I know the SS's weren't doing any clamping or other 
oddities because I sent a guy up two separate times to debug it. Both 
times, he'd get up there and start cutting cable ties and moving things 
around a bit and it would magically start working fine again. I had him 
bypass them anyway and we haven't had a problem since. We're using the 
GIGE-APC-HV's at the bottom and they work fine. I do see CRC errors 
during storms which I assume is them doing their job. I see that across 
a dozen sites where we have Chuck's suppressors, so it's pretty typical.


Anybody else seen this?

On 8/13/2016 6:37 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I haven't put any on the SIAE's DC line as of yet. Strangely, the 
power supply appears to be fine, the radio is what got toasted.  I'll 
probably be putting one inside now that the APC DC version is 
available.  Again, the manufacturer does not recommend anything 
outside.  Maybe I'm over-analyzing, but the closure's for Chuck's 
single SS units don't look robust enough for tower use to me.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Seth Mattinen > wrote:


On 8/13/16 3:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly
grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as
well.  Also
had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun
day.  I
would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...



Were you using any DC line surge suppressors?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

For almost a decade, I've had two cellphones in my pockets 24x7. Normally
I'd offer some help for anybody near me. Just not until Wednesday

On Aug 13, 2016 6:37 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I haven't put any on the SIAE's DC line as of yet.  Strangely, the power
> supply appears to be fine, the radio is what got toasted.  I'll probably be
> putting one inside now that the APC DC version is available.  Again, the
> manufacturer does not recommend anything outside.  Maybe I'm
> over-analyzing, but the closure's for Chuck's single SS units don't look
> robust enough for tower use to me.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 8/13/16 3:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly
>>> grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also
>>> had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I
>>> would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Were you using any DC line surge suppressors?
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Jason McKemie]

I haven't put any on the SIAE's DC line as of yet.  Strangely, the power
supply appears to be fine, the radio is what got toasted.  I'll probably be
putting one inside now that the APC DC version is available.  Again, the
manufacturer does not recommend anything outside.  Maybe I'm
over-analyzing, but the closure's for Chuck's single SS units don't look
robust enough for tower use to me.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/13/16 3:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly
>> grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also
>> had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I
>> would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...
>>
>
>
> Were you using any DC line surge suppressors?
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I don't know, but I agree.  Next to no rain in June, then July and BAM!

  - Original Message - 
  From: George Skorup 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down


  I started hearing more and more thunder to the south (from home about 15 
miles away). Alarms started going nuts. Whole tower down? WTF! Sure enough, 
looking at the radar showed an orange/red-ish blob over the site.

  I want to say I've seen this before. It was raining for 4-5 hours straight so 
the ground was very saturated. Like a pond saturated. Perhaps that acts as some 
kind of barrier and the lightning seeks structures and utility poles more 
often. All I know is when we get good rains in the spring and the soil is 
fairly wet throughout the summer, we have a lot less damage to gear on towers. 
Very dry and very wet soil seems to be bad. Maybe some dielectric effect. Those 
are my theories anyway.


  On 8/13/2016 6:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

This lightning storm was an oddly destructive one.  I had what appeared to 
be a fried PoE injector at a customer's house - the power supply and RB260GS 
were both OK, but the customer's router had a fried WAN port as well (fiber 
customer).  I'm going to do some testing on the PoE injector to see if that was 
the problem - it did smell a bit burnt though.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  GIGE-APC on the Mimosa.  I don't have anything SS wise up-top.  I'm a bit 
torn on whether or not that does any good, plus manufacturers don't like 
recommending anything. 


  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:55 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A 
couple were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and another 
only the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. Lost that port on 
the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going to rebuild everything at 
that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the bottom.

What SS did you have on the Mimosa?


On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same tower, 
albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the trouble of running 
dedicated power and optical, only to have some cheap Ubiquiti stuff outlive it 
- makes you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went through the SS and knocked 
out a port on my CCR - guess that will have to be replaced as well.


  On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> 
wrote:

Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the Phantom 
up first to see if those antennas were vaporized. Surprisingly they were still 
there. The Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead. Power port 
timing died on it last year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly 
fine. Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the inverter in the 
APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after discovering that. And then 
all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah, that'll be the next tower to get 
a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge suppressor. 


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly 
grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also had a 
couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather 
be at Lake Shelbyville...

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/13/16 3:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly
grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also
had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I
would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...



Were you using any DC line surge suppressors?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[George Skorup]

I started hearing more and more thunder to the south (from home about 15 
miles away). Alarms started going nuts. Whole tower down? WTF! Sure 
enough, looking at the radar showed an orange/red-ish blob over the site.


I want to say I've seen this before. It was raining for 4-5 hours 
straight so the ground was very saturated. Like a pond saturated. 
Perhaps that acts as some kind of barrier and the lightning seeks 
structures and utility poles more often. All I know is when we get good 
rains in the spring and the soil is fairly wet throughout the summer, we 
have a lot less damage to gear on towers. Very dry and very wet soil 
seems to be bad. Maybe some dielectric effect. Those are my theories anyway.


On 8/13/2016 6:04 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
This lightning storm was an oddly destructive one. I had what appeared 
to be a fried PoE injector at a customer's house - the power supply 
and RB260GS were both OK, but the customer's router had a fried WAN 
port as well (fiber customer).  I'm going to do some testing on the 
PoE injector to see if that was the problem - it did smell a bit burnt 
though.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


GIGE-APC on the Mimosa.  I don't have anything SS wise up-top. 
I'm a bit torn on whether or not that does any good, plus

manufacturers don't like recommending anything.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:55 PM, George Skorup > wrote:

The surge suppressors we have at that site are
L-com/Hyperlinks. A couple were blown top and bottom. Another
radio was only the top and another only the bottom. The 900 AP
board wasn't burned up, but dead. Lost that port on the
MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going to rebuild
everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the bottom.

What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the
same tower, albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to
all of the trouble of running dedicated power and optical,
only to have some cheap Ubiquiti stuff outlive it - makes you
wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went through the SS and
knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will have to be
replaced as well.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew
the Phantom up first to see if those antennas were
vaporized. Surprisingly they were still there. The
Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead. Power
port timing died on it last year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a
Force200 were perfectly fine. Some stuff and not others,
I don't get it. It killed the inverter in the APC UPS. No
doubt it came in on the utility after discovering that.
And then all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah,
that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole
panel surge suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both
were properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with
dedicated power wires as well.  Also had a couple
customer's routers get fried. Overall, not a fun
day.  I would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Jason McKemie]

This lightning storm was an oddly destructive one.  I had what appeared to
be a fried PoE injector at a customer's house - the power supply and
RB260GS were both OK, but the customer's router had a fried WAN port as
well (fiber customer).  I'm going to do some testing on the PoE injector to
see if that was the problem - it did smell a bit burnt though.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> GIGE-APC on the Mimosa.  I don't have anything SS wise up-top.  I'm a bit
> torn on whether or not that does any good, plus manufacturers don't like
> recommending anything.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:55 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A couple
>> were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and another only
>> the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. Lost that port on
>> the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going to rebuild everything
>> at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the bottom.
>>
>> What SS did you have on the Mimosa?
>>
>> On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same tower,
>> albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the trouble of
>> running dedicated power and optical, only to have some cheap Ubiquiti stuff
>> outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went through the SS
>> and knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will have to be replaced as
>> well.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the Phantom up
>>> first to see if those antennas were vaporized. Surprisingly they were still
>>> there. The Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead. Power port
>>> timing died on it last year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were
>>> perfectly fine. Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the
>>> inverter in the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after
>>> discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah,
>>> that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge
>>> suppressor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
 I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly
 grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also
 had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I
 would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...

>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Jason McKemie]

GIGE-APC on the Mimosa.  I don't have anything SS wise up-top.  I'm a bit
torn on whether or not that does any good, plus manufacturers don't like
recommending anything.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:55 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A couple
> were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and another only
> the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. Lost that port on
> the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going to rebuild everything
> at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the bottom.
>
> What SS did you have on the Mimosa?
>
> On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same tower,
> albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the trouble of
> running dedicated power and optical, only to have some cheap Ubiquiti stuff
> outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went through the SS
> and knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will have to be replaced as
> well.
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the Phantom up
>> first to see if those antennas were vaporized. Surprisingly they were still
>> there. The Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead. Power port
>> timing died on it last year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were
>> perfectly fine. Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the
>> inverter in the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after
>> discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah,
>> that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge
>> suppressor.
>>
>>
>> On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>>> I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly
>>> grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also
>>> had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I
>>> would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[George Skorup]

The surge suppressors we have at that site are L-com/Hyperlinks. A 
couple were blown top and bottom. Another radio was only the top and 
another only the bottom. The 900 AP board wasn't burned up, but dead. 
Lost that port on the MikroTik. Both SS's on that were dead. I'm going 
to rebuild everything at that site and use GIGE-APCs at least at the bottom.


What SS did you have on the Mimosa?

On 8/13/2016 5:47 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same tower, 
albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the trouble of 
running dedicated power and optical, only to have some cheap Ubiquiti 
stuff outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went 
through the SS and knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will have 
to be replaced as well.


On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the
Phantom up first to see if those antennas were vaporized.
Surprisingly they were still there. The Cyclone still worked, but
the timing port was dead. Power port timing died on it last year.
450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were perfectly fine. Some stuff
and not others, I don't get it. It killed the inverter in the APC
UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after discovering that.
And then all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah, that'll be
the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were
properly grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power
wires as well.  Also had a couple customer's routers get
fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather be at Lake
Shelbyville...

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I had a Ubiquiti Rocket and some nanobridges on the same tower,
albeit lower, that didn't skip a beat.  I go to all of the trouble of
running dedicated power and optical, only to have some cheap Ubiquiti stuff
outlive it - makes you wonder.  The surge on the Mimosa went through the SS
and knocked out a port on my CCR - guess that will have to be replaced as
well.

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:43 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the Phantom up
> first to see if those antennas were vaporized. Surprisingly they were still
> there. The Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead. Power port
> timing died on it last year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 were
> perfectly fine. Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It killed the
> inverter in the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility after
> discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers after that. Yeah,
> that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge
> suppressor.
>
>
> On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly grounded,
>> the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also had a couple
>> customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather be
>> at Lake Shelbyville...
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[George Skorup]

Had a 5.7 Cyclone omni and a Antel 900 omni. So we flew the Phantom up 
first to see if those antennas were vaporized. Surprisingly they were 
still there. The Cyclone still worked, but the timing port was dead. 
Power port timing died on it last year. 450 sectors, AF24 and a Force200 
were perfectly fine. Some stuff and not others, I don't get it. It 
killed the inverter in the APC UPS. No doubt it came in on the utility 
after discovering that. And then all of the tripped breakers after that. 
Yeah, that'll be the next tower to get a DC UPS. And a whole panel surge 
suppressor.


On 8/13/2016 5:28 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly 
grounded, the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  
Also had a couple customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun 
day.  I would rather be at Lake Shelbyville...

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Jason McKemie]

I lost a SIAE radio as well as a Mimosa A5 - both were properly grounded,
the SIAE was optical with dedicated power wires as well.  Also had a couple
customer's routers get fried.  Overall, not a fun day.  I would rather be
at Lake Shelbyville...

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 4:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Ended up replacing radios and surge suppressors at a tower all afternoon.
> Must've came in through power. Almost every breaker including the main was
> tripped. GFI recept with nothing plugged into it was tripped.
>
>
> On 8/13/2016 4:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> Lake Shelbyville tells me I don't
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[Josh Luthman]

I had to get up at 7 on a Saturday to get a good spot at Cars and Coffee =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Ended up replacing radios and surge suppressors at a tower all afternoon.
> Must've came in through power. Almost every breaker including the main was
> tripped. GFI recept with nothing plugged into it was tripped.
>
>
> On 8/13/2016 4:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> Lake Shelbyville tells me I don't
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who cares if the network is down

[George Skorup]

Ended up replacing radios and surge suppressors at a tower all 
afternoon. Must've came in through power. Almost every breaker including 
the main was tripped. GFI recept with nothing plugged into it was tripped.


On 8/13/2016 4:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


Lake Shelbyville tells me I don't