Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Paul Stewart]

(catching up on emails) … 

 

Strange .. I’ve asked them on several occasions in US and Canada locations and 
been told it’s not something they do … most times though it was Canadian 
locations I was asking – perhaps they only do it where they are not utilizing 
3rd party transport (which rules all of their Canadian POP’s out)… 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

 

They have for a very long time between their POPS.

On 4/13/2016 8:37 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Since when does HE do wavelength or ethernet transport?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

 

There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of BGP 
communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering.



-
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 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log that 
contract is.

I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.

I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb

On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Hey guys,

 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

 

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

 

Thanks


 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com> 

507-634-WiFi

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<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Paul Stewart]

Don’t’ assume … ask them…. One POP I can think of didn’t get any redundancy 
until it hit pretty significant levels of traffic… that’s some time ago but 
still .. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

 

Luckily in our area, there are diverse routes to the POP we are in. I'm not 
positive about dual routers but I know there is enough traffic running through 
our POP that I assume they have two now since there are diverse routes to other 
POPs. 

 

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Agreed, just something to be aware of. And never, ever singlehome to HE or 
Cogent. I was typing on my phone so I didn't want to spend a lot of time, but 
another detail in addition to the single router is non diversity of routes. 

There's places where HE has a router and will sell IP transit in a non-major 
city (usually in the single largest IX point/carrier hotel) but they don't have 
diverse transport routes in and out of that city. An aerial fiber cut can take 
things out completely. Whereas a more expensive transit provider such as 
GTT/Nlayer might reach the same city via two diverse routes.

 

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us 
<mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 4/11/16 10:13, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If you've physically laid eyes on an HE POP in a non major city, another
issue is they frequently deploy with 1 router, not a redundant core pair.


Not really an "issue" as much as what it's worth to do or what you get at a 
certain price point.

~Seth

 





 

-- 

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Minnesota WiFi

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507-634-WiFi

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Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Paul Stewart]

Yes very true… smaller POP’s I have seen have zero redundancy … that’s what 
separates HE as an example from some other players (whom cost more)…. Although 
if multihomed and the quality of their routes/connectivity are ok then it’s 
still not bad.. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

 

If you've physically laid eyes on an HE POP in a non major city, another issue 
is they frequently deploy with 1 router, not a redundant core pair. 

On Apr 11, 2016 5:22 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of BGP 
communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log that 
contract is.

I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.

I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb

On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Hey guys,

 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

 

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

 

Thanks


 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> 

507-634-WiFi

 <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>  Like us on Facebook 
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Keefe John]

They have for a very long time between their POPS.

On 4/13/2016 8:37 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:


Since when does HE do wavelength or ethernet transport?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 8:23 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of 
BGP communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>

*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log 
that contract is.


I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.

I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb

On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:


Hey guys,

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of
us, what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms?
I'm told I should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or
ethernet transport to an on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

Thanks

-- 


Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/>

507-634-WiFi

<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Josh Reynolds]

When they're selling you a content and transport bundle.
On Apr 13, 2016 8:37 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Since when does HE do wavelength or ethernet transport?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 8:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
>
>
> There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of BGP
> communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log
> that contract is.
>
> I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.
>
> I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb
>
> On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>
>
>
> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Paul Stewart]

Since when does HE do wavelength or ethernet transport?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

 

There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of BGP 
communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 




  _  

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log that 
contract is.

I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.

I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb

On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com 
<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Hey guys,

 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

 

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

 

Thanks


 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> 

507-634-WiFi

 <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>  Like us on Facebook 
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Darin Steffl]

Luckily in our area, there are diverse routes to the POP we are in. I'm not
positive about dual routers but I know there is enough traffic running
through our POP that I assume they have two now since there are diverse
routes to other POPs.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Agreed, just something to be aware of. And never, ever singlehome to HE or
> Cogent. I was typing on my phone so I didn't want to spend a lot of time,
> but another detail in addition to the single router is non diversity of
> routes.
>
> There's places where HE has a router and will sell IP transit in a
> non-major city (usually in the single largest IX point/carrier hotel) but
> they don't have diverse transport routes in and out of that city. An aerial
> fiber cut can take things out completely. Whereas a more expensive transit
> provider such as GTT/Nlayer might reach the same city via two diverse
> routes.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/11/16 10:13, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>>> If you've physically laid eyes on an HE POP in a non major city, another
>>> issue is they frequently deploy with 1 router, not a redundant core pair.
>>>
>>
>> Not really an "issue" as much as what it's worth to do or what you get at
>> a certain price point.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Eric Kuhnke]

Agreed, just something to be aware of. And never, ever singlehome to HE or
Cogent. I was typing on my phone so I didn't want to spend a lot of time,
but another detail in addition to the single router is non diversity of
routes.

There's places where HE has a router and will sell IP transit in a
non-major city (usually in the single largest IX point/carrier hotel) but
they don't have diverse transport routes in and out of that city. An aerial
fiber cut can take things out completely. Whereas a more expensive transit
provider such as GTT/Nlayer might reach the same city via two diverse
routes.


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/11/16 10:13, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
>> If you've physically laid eyes on an HE POP in a non major city, another
>> issue is they frequently deploy with 1 router, not a redundant core pair.
>>
>
> Not really an "issue" as much as what it's worth to do or what you get at
> a certain price point.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/11/16 10:13, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If you've physically laid eyes on an HE POP in a non major city, another
issue is they frequently deploy with 1 router, not a redundant core pair.


Not really an "issue" as much as what it's worth to do or what you get 
at a certain price point.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Eric Kuhnke]

If you've physically laid eyes on an HE POP in a non major city, another issue is they frequently deploy with 1 router, not a redundant core pair. 
On Apr 11, 2016 5:22 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of BGP communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing SolutionsMidwest Internet ExchangeThe Brothers WISPFrom: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.comSent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet PricingHE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log that contract is.
I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.
I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb
On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:Hey guys,If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.Thanks-- Darin StefflMinnesota WiFiwww.mnwifi.com507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Darin Steffl]

1,700 feet to their nearest manhole but 15 miles or so to the datacenter.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> It may or may not be worth it to do the buildout...
>
> Depending on a number of factors... how much the contractor will charge  ?
> and who will be taking responsibility etc etc...
> One time pay out vs financed into the monthly ...
>
> But it cannot hurt to price it out...
>
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 11, 2016 10:44:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> 1700 foot...
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 8:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> the 1700 ft build to their hand hole  or the 15 mile build to the
> datacenter ?
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ------
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 11, 2016 10:37:35 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> Why don’t you build it?
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 8:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> Josh and Mike,
>
> I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are
> happy with pricing and performance.
>
> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
> datacenter where we pick up HE there.
>
> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot
> build. We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from
> engineering. This is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout
> shouldn't be overly high versus being in a metro area.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to
>> see $8000 for that..
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth
>> charge.  Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some
>> point in the near future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port
>> charge which will be based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would
>> see less than $2500.
>>
>> *From:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
>> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
>> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
>> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>>
>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>
>
>


-- 
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Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
<http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Faisal Imtiaz]

It may or may not be worth it to do the buildout... 

Depending on a number of factors... how much the contractor will charge ? and 
who will be taking responsibility etc etc... 
One time pay out vs financed into the monthly ... 

But it cannot hurt to price it out... 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:44:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

> 1700 foot...
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
> the 1700 ft build to their hand hole or the 15 mile build to the datacenter ?
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:37:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

>> Why don’t you build it?
>> From: Darin Steffl
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:22 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>> Josh and Mike,
>> I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are 
>> happy
>> with pricing and performance.
>> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
>> datacenter where we pick up HE there.
>> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
>> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build.
>> We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. 
>> This
>> is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly 
>> high
>> versus being in a metro area.
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>>> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see
>>> $8000 for that..

>>> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>>>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.
>>>> Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance. At some point in the 
>>>> near
>>>> future, it will be free. You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
>>>> based
>>>> on the size of the pipe. I would hope you would see less than $2500.
>>>> From: Darin Steffl
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, 
>>>> what is a
>>>> good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be
>>>> seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net
>>>> datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>>>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> --
>>>> Darin Steffl
>>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>> Like us on Facebook

>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Faisal Imtiaz]

the 1700 ft build to their hand hole or the 15 mile build to the datacenter ? 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:37:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

> Why don’t you build it?
> From: Darin Steffl
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
> Josh and Mike,
> I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are 
> happy
> with pricing and performance.
> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
> datacenter where we pick up HE there.
> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build.
> We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. This
> is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly high
> versus being in a metro area.
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see
>> $8000 for that..

>> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.
>>> Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance. At some point in the 
>>> near
>>> future, it will be free. You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
>>> based
>>> on the size of the pipe. I would hope you would see less than $2500.
>>> From: Darin Steffl
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>>> Hey guys,
>>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what 
>>> is a
>>> good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be
>>> seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net
>>> datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>> Like us on Facebook

> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Ken Hohhof]

You get some of that back every time they hook a customer along the 1700 feet 
of fiber you paid to install, right?  j/k

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

Why don’t you build it?

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

Josh and Mike, 

I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are happy 
with pricing and performance.

I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a 
datacenter where we pick up HE there.

One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for 
5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build. 
We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. This 
is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly high 
versus being in a metro area.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

  I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see 
$8000 for that.. 




  On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.  
Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some point in the near 
future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would see less than $2500.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

Hey guys, 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what 
is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

Thanks


-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook






-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Josh Reynolds]

I would say that's similar pricing that we pay for our two 10Gbps to the
data center, however our stretch is... roughly 30 miles.

Two different carrier networks.

That said, each market is vastly different and we told our transit
providers we would be looking for >10Gbps in the near future.
On Apr 11, 2016 9:22 AM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Josh and Mike,
>
> I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are
> happy with pricing and performance.
>
> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
> datacenter where we pick up HE there.
>
> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot
> build. We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from
> engineering. This is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout
> shouldn't be overly high versus being in a metro area.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David  wrote:
>
>> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to
>> see $8000 for that..
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth
>> charge.  Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some
>> point in the near future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port
>> charge which will be based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would
>> see less than $2500.
>>
>> *From:* Darin Steffl 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
>> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
>> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
>> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>>
>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Chuck McCown]

1700 foot...

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

the 1700 ft build to their hand hole  or the 15 mile build to the datacenter ?

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:37:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

  Why don’t you build it?

  From: Darin Steffl
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:22 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

  Josh and Mike, 

  I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are 
happy with pricing and performance.

  I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a 
datacenter where we pick up HE there.

  One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for 
5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build. 
We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. This 
is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly high 
versus being in a metro area.

  On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to 
see $8000 for that.. 




On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge. 
 Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some point in the 
near future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would see less than $2500. 

  From: Darin Steffl
  Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

  Hey guys, 

  If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, 
what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I 
should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

  Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

  Thanks


  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook






  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Pricing greatly depends on how you ask for it, who you ask, and who is asking.. 

ATT is the most expensive, however they may also be the carrier of last resort, 
only recently they have started doing ICB on 10g ports. 

I believe, the results from Windstream dealings indicate a similar behavior. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "David" <dmilho...@wletc.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:16:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see
> $8000 for that..

> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.
>> Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance. At some point in the 
>> near
>> future, it will be free. You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
>> based
>> on the size of the pipe. I would hope you would see less than $2500.
>> From: Darin Steffl
>> Sent: Sunday, April 10 , 2016 11:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>> Hey guys,
>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what 
>> is a
>> good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be
>> seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net
>> datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>> Thanks
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Chuck McCown]

Why don’t you build it?

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

Josh and Mike, 

I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are happy 
with pricing and performance.

I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a 
datacenter where we pick up HE there.

One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for 
5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build. 
We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. This 
is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly high 
versus being in a metro area.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

  I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see 
$8000 for that.. 




  On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.  
Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some point in the near 
future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would see less than $2500.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

Hey guys, 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what 
is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

Thanks


-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook






-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Faisal Imtiaz]

BTW 
The questions to ask would be as follows:- 
What would be the 10g wave pricing if both locations were on-net ? 
What happens to the pricing after the initial term is over ? 

--- 
Keep in mind, the initial term pricing is going to pay for the the build out... 
After which, technically, the pricing can be re-negotiated, but only if you 
have some sort of leverage 
--- 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:33:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

>>> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
> >> datacenter...

> There is no such thing as a 'ballpark' those are all ICB pricing
> Having said that...

>>>> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
>>>> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot 
>>>> build.
>>>> We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. 
>>>> This
>>>> is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly 
>>>> high
> >>> versus being in a metro area.

> The above quote would be considered very much in-line.
> Obviously, if you can have choice between two providers who could compete then
> you could go shopping.
> Also you can ask them what they would lease the dark fiber for .

> Regards.

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:22:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

>> Josh and Mike,
>> I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are 
>> happy
>> with pricing and performance.

>> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
>> datacenter where we pick up HE there.

>> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
>> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build.
>> We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. 
>> This
>> is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly 
>> high
>> versus being in a metro area.

>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>>> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see
>>> $8000 for that..

>>> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>>>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.
>>>> Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance. At some point in the 
>>>> near
>>>> future, it will be free. You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
>>>> based
>>>> on the size of the pipe. I would hope you would see less than $2500.
>>>> From: Darin Steffl
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, 
>>>> what is a
>>>> good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be
>>>> seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net
>>>> datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>>>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> --
>>>> Darin Steffl
>>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>> Like us on Facebook

>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a 
>> datacenter... 

There is no such thing as a 'ballpark' those are all ICB pricing 
Having said that... 

>>> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for 
>>> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot 
>>> build. We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from 
>>> engineering. This is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout 
>>> shouldn't be overly high versus being in a metro area. 

The above quote would be considered very much in-line. 
Obviously, if you can have choice between two providers who could compete then 
you could go shopping. 
Also you can ask them what they would lease the dark fiber for . 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:22:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

> Josh and Mike,
> I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are 
> happy
> with pricing and performance.

> I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
> datacenter where we pick up HE there.

> One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
> 5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build.
> We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. This
> is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly high
> versus being in a metro area.

> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see
>> $8000 for that..

>> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>>> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.
>>> Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance. At some point in the 
>>> near
>>> future, it will be free. You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
>>> based
>>> on the size of the pipe. I would hope you would see less than $2500.
>>> From: Darin Steffl
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>>> Hey guys,
>>> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what 
>>> is a
>>> good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be
>>> seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net
>>> datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>>> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>> Like us on Facebook

> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Mike Hammett]

I know that's what you were looking for. That's why my first message answered 
your question directly. 

That pricing is reasonable. I've certainly seen less, but I've also seen more. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 9:22:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing 


Josh and Mike, 


I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are happy 
with pricing and performance. 


I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a 
datacenter where we pick up HE there. 


One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for 
5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot build. 
We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from engineering. This 
is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout shouldn't be overly high 
versus being in a metro area. 


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: 



I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to see 
$8000 for that.. 





On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge. 
Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance. At some point in the near 
future, it will be free. You just pay the fixed port charge which will be based 
on the size of the pipe. I would hope you would see less than $2500. 




From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing 


Hey guys, 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us. 

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect. 

Thanks 

-- 


Darin Steffl 
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Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Darin Steffl]

Josh and Mike,

I'm not looking for internet service. We already purchase from HE and are
happy with pricing and performance.

I'm looking at ballpark transport pricing for 10G wave or ethernet to a
datacenter where we pick up HE there.

One provider has given a ballpark of $3,300 for 3-year term and $2,550 for
5-year term pending approval from engineering. They have a 1,700 foot
build. We'll see if their pricing changes after they come back from
engineering. This is a small town with grassy right of ways so buildout
shouldn't be overly high versus being in a metro area.

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:16 AM, David  wrote:

> I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to
> see $8000 for that..
>
>
>
> On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.
> Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some point in the
> near future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port charge which
> will be based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would see less
> than $2500.
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> Hey guys,
>
> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>
> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[David]

I have a Windstream Fiber HUB and ATT fiber in my office and Im lucky to 
see $8000 for that..



On 04/11/2016 08:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth 
charge.  Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some 
point in the near future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed 
port charge which will be based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope 
you would see less than $2500.

*From:* Darin Steffl 
*Sent:* Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
Hey guys,
If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, 
what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm 
told I should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet 
transport to an on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
Thanks
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Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Chuck McCown]

More and more, I am seeing a port charge and a very low bandwidth charge.  
Bandwidth pricing is going the way of long distance.  At some point in the near 
future, it will be free.  You just pay the fixed port charge which will be 
based on the size of the pipe.  I would hope you would see less than $2500.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

Hey guys, 

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us.

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

Thanks


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Minnesota WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Erich Kaiser]

It depends on the carriers Darin, I just send you an Email.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Yes.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 11, 2016 12:11:16 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> Hey guys,
>
> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>
> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Mike Hammett]

There is more to that $0.22/meg, though, than is advertised. A lack of BGP 
communities is a big one as is a high chance of congested peering. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:40:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing 


HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log that 
contract is. 
I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore. 
I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb 
On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 



Hey guys, 


If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us. 


Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect. 


Thanks 


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Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Mike Hammett]

Yes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 12:11:16 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing 


Hey guys, 


If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us, what is 
a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I should be 
seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an on-net 
datacenter within 15 miles of us. 


Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect. 


Thanks 


-- 


Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Josh Reynolds]

HE is advertising $0.22/MB for 10G currently, but I don't know how log that
contract is.

I don't like doing contracts for more than 2 years anymore.

I think our current providers are between 0.36/Mb and 0.42/Mb
On Apr 11, 2016 12:11 AM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>
> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Trey Scarborough]

If the Fiber is not already in your building you might not see that kind 
of price. This is all dependent on where the closest access point is to 
you. Even if your only 2500 feet from the fiber it could be another 2500 
feet to the closest access point. This could make the cost for the drop 
very high. $2500 is a standard price for on-net to on-net lower if they 
are major datacenters, but if there is any build it will probably be 
higher. I have seen the cost for that last 1/4 mile be 20k up to 600k 
just depends on the area and they will either put it in the NRC or break 
it out over the term.



Trey

On 4/11/2016 12:11 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hey guys,

If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told
I should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to
an on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.

Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.

Thanks

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Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook