Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Lewis Bergman]

I think Reid gives him a run but they are both put excuses for statesman.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 2:04 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with them, I'm
> not convinced it's about left or right.  If I had to single out one person
> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would be
> Mitch
> McConnell.  All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about their
> own
> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch.
>
> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but I
> like
> what he has said since being elected Speaker.  I would like to see if they
> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions.  I don't think
> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him
> irrelevant.  And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with someone
> actually interested in governing.  I wonder what conservative goals could
> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make Obama
> fail no matter how much damage it causes.  Tort reform?  Modifications to
> Obamacare?  Fix sequestration?  Tax reform?  Immigration reform?  Mitch
> doesn't care.  Mitch cares about Mitch.  That's the problem with the
> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and staying
> in
> power, they don't even pretend to do their job.  And let me be clear, I'm
> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just McConnell
> is
> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel he is
> giving me the finger.
>
> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I don't
> think we'll find out.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's idea
> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a deal.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Lewis Bergman]

The sad parts is the only real arguement is which side is less crappy than
the other. They are both undeniably crappy.

Thank God most campaign promises go unfulfilled. We would have been unable
to pay the interest on the debt ages ago.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 1:40 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's
> > idea of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make
> > a deal.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Ken Hohhof]

I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with them, I'm 
not convinced it's about left or right.  If I had to single out one person 
as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would be Mitch 
McConnell.  All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about their own 
power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch.


I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but I like 
what he has said since being elected Speaker.  I would like to see if they 
are just words, or if he would translate them into actions.  I don't think 
we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him 
irrelevant.  And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with someone 
actually interested in governing.  I wonder what conservative goals could 
have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make Obama 
fail no matter how much damage it causes.  Tort reform?  Modifications to 
Obamacare?  Fix sequestration?  Tax reform?  Immigration reform?  Mitch 
doesn't care.  Mitch cares about Mitch.  That's the problem with the 
establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and staying in 
power, they don't even pretend to do their job.  And let me be clear, I'm 
not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just McConnell is 
the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel he is 
giving me the finger.


I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I don't 
think we'll find out.



-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's idea 
of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a deal.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Bill Prince]

IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right.

bp


On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's 
idea of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make 
a deal.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jon Langeler]

I'm not saying Trump is a 1 or a 10, but if he wins, it's his team that is 
making decisions. Also who's going to be the running mate...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Mar 13, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Because Trump is not world smart...he knows real estate he sure doesn't 
> know Scripture or history... unless he smarter than us and is using 
> nationalists handbook from Europe circa 1920 to 45 ..
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2016 10:55 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> Do you know anyone who can duplicate Neil Young’s harmonics on “For What 
>> It’s Worth”?  Amazing to make that sound come out of a guitar, like a bell 
>> ringing.
>>  
>> I was a big Buffalo Springfield fan.  Steve Stills is no slouch on guitar 
>> either.  Not a fan of Young’s high pitched singing, “Rockin’ in the Free 
>> World” is good.  It’s hilarious that Trump used it as a theme song.
>>  
>> Paranoia strikes deep
>> Into your life it will creep
>> It starts when you’re always afraid
>> Step out of line, the men come and take you away
>>  
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:08 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
>> Chicago Violence
>>  
>> "And a voice came out of the darkness, crying, tear the system down...tear 
>> it down, down to the ground."   
>> State of The Union...by Chicago
>> When they were CTA they recorded a song about 1968 convention drama.  Later 
>> on   While the City Sleeps and Dialogueall pertinent today especially 
>> Dialogue... my favorite is Mother.   The guys my age and older probably 
>> remember these songsChicago even had Go out and Vote leaflets inside 
>> album covers...it was during another pathological liars term..Nixon...
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few 
>>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever 
>>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>> 
>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good 
>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither 
>>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just 
>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>> 
>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
>>>> Chicago Violence
>>>> 
>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>>> supporting?
>>>> 
>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
>>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them 
>>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an 
>>>>> exit strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources 
>>>>> for better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem 
>>>>> starts. They have no clue what they're in for with these professional 
>>>>> rabblerousers.  I fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left 
>>>>> wing terror cells and not even realize it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jaime Solorza]

Because Trump is not world smart...he knows real estate he sure doesn't
know Scripture or history... unless he smarter than us and is using
nationalists handbook from Europe circa 1920 to 45 ..
On Mar 13, 2016 10:55 AM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Do you know anyone who can duplicate Neil Young’s harmonics on “For What
> It’s Worth”?  Amazing to make that sound come out of a guitar, like a bell
> ringing.
>
> I was a big Buffalo Springfield fan.  Steve Stills is no slouch on guitar
> either.  Not a fan of Young’s high pitched singing, “Rockin’ in the Free
> World” is good.  It’s hilarious that Trump used it as a theme song.
>
> Paranoia strikes deep
> Into your life it will creep
> It starts when you’re always afraid
> Step out of line, the men come and take you away
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:08 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
> After Chicago Violence
>
>
> "And a voice came out of the darkness, crying, tear the system down...tear
> it down, down to the ground."
> State of The Union...by Chicago
> When they were CTA they recorded a song about 1968 convention drama.
> Later on   While the City Sleeps and Dialogueall pertinent today
> especially Dialogue... my favorite is Mother.   The guys my age and older
> probably remember these songsChicago even had Go out and Vote leaflets
> inside album covers...it was during another pathological liars
> term..Nixon...
> On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>
>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>
>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>
>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>> supporting?
>>>
>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>
>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com &l

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Ken Hohhof]

Do you know anyone who can duplicate Neil Young’s harmonics on “For What It’s 
Worth”?  Amazing to make that sound come out of a guitar, like a bell ringing.

I was a big Buffalo Springfield fan.  Steve Stills is no slouch on guitar 
either.  Not a fan of Young’s high pitched singing, “Rockin’ in the Free World” 
is good.  It’s hilarious that Trump used it as a theme song.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:08 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

"And a voice came out of the darkness, crying, tear the system down...tear it 
down, down to the ground."   
State of The Union...by Chicago
When they were CTA they recorded a song about 1968 convention drama.  Later on  
 While the City Sleeps and Dialogueall pertinent today especially 
Dialogue... my favorite is Mother.   The guys my age and older probably 
remember these songsChicago even had Go out and Vote leaflets inside album 
covers...it was during another pathological liars term..Nixon...

On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few 
Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever president 
is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

  I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good candidate, 
but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of the two on 
the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just continue focusing 
on dividing the nation like the current mope.

  I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.

  On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


  He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them 
they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit 
strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for better 
preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no 
clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot 
of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even 
realize it.

  On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Yes   great idea

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
  <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

  The Solorza Summit.

  On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
  <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
  wrote:

  Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
  points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
  on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
  can be a good place to start over.

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
  <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

  Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

  I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
  the guy
  deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
  these rallies
  regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
  Jaime you kind of
  hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
  around at the
  tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
  country. It's a
  shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
  to labeling
  ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
  "birther", etc) /
  name calling.

  I never considered a difference of opinion in
  politics, in religion,
  in philosophy, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jason McKemie]

much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>>>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>>>> supporting?
>>>>>
>>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an 
>>>>>> exit
>>>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. 
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');> >>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','par...@cyberbroadband.net');>
>>>>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','par...@cyberbroadband.net');>
>>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','par...@cyberbroadband.net');>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');> >>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>>>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>>>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>>>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');> >>>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>>>>> the guy
>>>>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>>>>> these rallies
>>>>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>>>>> Jaime you kind of
>>>>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>>>>>> around at the
>>>>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>>>>>> country. It's a
>>>>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>>>>>> to labeling
>>>>>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>>>>>> "birther", etc) /
>>>>>> name calling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never considered a difference of opinion in
>>>>>> politics, in religion,
>>>>>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>> Jefferson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>
>>>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>>>>>> excuse my
>>>>>> brevity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','forre...@imach.com');>
>> | http://www.packetflux.com
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>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jaime Solorza]

But he didn't release the complete stores on Roswell, Aztec or Corona,
NM!!! Real bumper  man.
On Mar 13, 2016 10:23 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Another nugget:
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> “Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. “
>
> You know, the first 6 months a new president is in the chair, they learn a
> crap ton of new and sensitive stuff that forces them to move away from the
> extreme positions they had during the campaign.  Why is Gitmo still open,
> why do we  have boots on the ground in (pick the location).  Why would a
> president from the party of doves, peace, love and flower power launch more
> drone strikes than all other presidents in history?  The job changes them.
>
> Every president leaves a long list of unfulfilled campaign promises.
>
> Any promise a presidential candidate makes during a campaign is
> meaningless.  It is like a 6 year old saying that they are going to be when
> they grow up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Chuck McCown]

Another nugget:
From: Lewis Bergman 
“Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. “

You know, the first 6 months a new president is in the chair, they learn a crap 
ton of new and sensitive stuff that forces them to move away from the extreme 
positions they had during the campaign.  Why is Gitmo still open, why do we  
have boots on the ground in (pick the location).  Why would a president from 
the party of doves, peace, love and flower power launch more drone strikes than 
all other presidents in history?  The job changes them.  

Every president leaves a long list of unfulfilled campaign promises.  

Any promise a presidential candidate makes during a campaign is meaningless.  
It is like a 6 year old saying that they are going to be when they grow up.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jaime Solorza]

"And a voice came out of the darkness, crying, tear the system down...tear
it down, down to the ground."
State of The Union...by Chicago
When they were CTA they recorded a song about 1968 convention drama.  Later
on   While the City Sleeps and Dialogueall pertinent today especially
Dialogue... my favorite is Mother.   The guys my age and older probably
remember these songsChicago even had Go out and Vote leaflets inside
album covers...it was during another pathological liars term..Nixon...
On Mar 12, 2016 9:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>
> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>
> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>> After Chicago Violence
>>
>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>> supporting?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>> not even realize it.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes   great idea
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>
>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>
>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>> the guy
>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>> these rallies
>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>> Jaime you kind of
>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>>> around at the
>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>>> country. It's a
>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>>> to labeling
>>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>>> "birther", etc) /
>>> name calling.
>>>
>>> I never considered a difference of opinion in
>>> politics, in religion,
>>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
>>> Thomas
>>> Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>>> >
>>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>>> excuse my
>>> brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Chuck McCown]

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
. . . “at least there will still be workboots in the looted stores” . . . 


Now, there’s a nugget!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Lewis Bergman]

Democrats and Republicans regularly gerrymander when they are in power.
Voting districts ought to be by zipcodet. If choose then the politicians
would just change your zipcodet which would be a real PITA. moveon.org had
got to go as well.
All of these things are just part of the symptom of the real root issue.

I think it is very much like the drug problem. The users are the driver for
the rest of the bad behavior. In politics, the voters are the drivers. We
the voters are to blame for rejecting people to the hill for decades on end
based on how much wasteful spending they bring back to us. I wish we had
someone else to blame but every people deserve the government they allow to
rule over them.
I don't care what party they are from, I vote for whomever is not the
incumbent, excluding the president which is protected from eternal
government office wealth building. How is it that most of these guys show
up to one of the most expensive cities on America on a decent but not
extravagant salary and leave decades later wealthy. Yet nobody ever looks
into the money trail of how that happened.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 11:55 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Correction: redistricting not rezoning
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> > Rider bills have to go. Citizens United has to go. FISA courts have to
> > go. Rezoning every few years has to go. Career politicians have to go.
> > ETC.
> >
> > Elected officials are there to perform a public service, not make a
> > career out of selling their soul to the highest bidders multiple times
> > on a daily basis.
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson
> > <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> >> Yeah, that's maybe the only upside to any of this, people waking up to
> politics.
> >>
> >> I don't know anything from anything, but I know what I don't want and
> do want based on policy.
> >>
> >> I also hate that the stuff pushed through congress is so aggregated and
> manipulated.
> >>
> >> It's a wonder anything works at all?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:49 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
> After Chicago Violence
> >>
> >> Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald
> >>
> >> then
> >>
> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident
> >>
> >> I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish
> people would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though -
> that's where a large portion of the problems currently exist.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think
> >>> if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly
> >>> or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come
> >>> clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support
> >>> him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows
> where the money trail leads.
> >>> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable.
> >>> That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature,
> >>> it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> >>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a
> >>>>> few Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support
> >>>>> whichever president is on the bills they are paid with, but
> predominately Bernie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> >>>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
> >>>>> neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive
> >>>>> direction, they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation
> like the current mope.
> >>>>>
> >&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Lewis Bergman]

The "my wife" syndrome. She always views for the candidate she likes best
which also has the best chance to win, rather than who she likes best.
Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's idea
of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a deal.
I really wish the libertarian party could produce a real candidate. Neither
party wants smaller government and we can't afford what we have. The feds,
and for that matter, nearly every government level, screws up whatever it
touches.
STOSSEL FOR PRESIDENT!
Maybe that's too much but how much worse could anything get than what we
have now. These guys are simply dysfunctional. If Washington was
Thanksgiving nobody would drive to it to spend a day there.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 11:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> One of the big problems I see with voting in the US is the fact that
> people feel that they have to vote republican or democrat even if their
> heart is somewhere else.
>
> I'm sort of a 'moderate libertarian'.   I find a lot of people are of this
> temperament - probably right up there with the number of democrats.   I
> believe the government should stay out of most things, but some of the
> things the libertarian party thinks should be deregulated or privatized
> presupposes that greedy corporations and individuals will do the right
> thing.  But back to the point, many people would find themselves more
> aligned with a party which isn't the republicans or democrats.
>
> Because of the system we have, there's no way for me to vote ' I really
> want the libertarian, but If I can't have that, I'd settle for this other
> candidate.  So I have to look at the republicrat candidates and decide if I
> should help weight the election towards one or another of them.
>
> I suspect if people could vote what their conscience dictated without
> feeling like their vote wasn't likely to count we'd start seeing more third
> parties in office.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have voted libertarian in the past.  Multiple people told me I was
>> "wasting my vote".
>> I tell them the only way you waste your vote is by voting for something
>> you didn't really believe in.
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/2016 12:07 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
> This is looking like a year that I may end up voting libertarian again.
>>
>> I voted for Obama the last two go arounds mainly because I had hoped he
>> could bring both sides to the table.  That didn't happen and so I'm a bit
>> dissapointed.
>>
>> I'm a single issue voter at this point.   Whoever can act as a catalyst
>> to get our politics working like it was described in elementary school
>> social studies gets my vote.I feel the most important thing a president
>> can do is get everyone in a room and hammer out a deal.   This whole
>> refusal to come to a middle ground has to stop.  I thought Obama might be
>> it.   Boy was I wrong.  The Republicans dug in even more.
>>
>> I don't see any of the presidential candidates being this person.   So
>> I'm likely voting for the third party unless something changes.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>>
>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>>
>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>>
>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>>> supporting?
>>>>
>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Bill Prince]

98% of what comes out of Trump's mouth is a lie.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 3/12/2016 10:25 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Trump thinks thatI'm not sure I believe it.
Trump does make a good point that most of the people there protesting 
had Bernie signs...


- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:31 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
More After Chicago Violence

Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?

On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly
Bernie, a few Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid
protesters support whichever president is on the bills they
are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual
good candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the
left, and neither of the two on the left will take us in any
positive direction, they'll just continue focusing on dividing
the nation like the current mope.

I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.

On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him
Even More After Chicago Violence

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the
paid protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been
monitoring the local protester chatter, their plans to
go and protest. I've been warning them they're going
to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have
an exit strategy if things go south. And also pointed
them to some resources for better preparedness in the
event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have
no clue what they're in for with these professional
rabblerousers.  I fear a lot of them will be recruited
into these left wing terror cells and not even realize it.

On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Yes   great idea

On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley"
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote:

The Solorza Summit.

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I
have different
points of view from many but I also listen
and learn allot
on this list...a cold beer or cup of
coffee across a table
can be a good place to start over.

On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just
broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not
like Trump, but
the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own
merit. Breaking up
these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat
to democracy.
Jaime you

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Yes, those are "vegas bets".

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
> a good point
>
> and - i don't agree with it (i hope i don't!) - but have you seen this
> website?
>
> https://electionbettingodds.com/
>
> It isn't like polls...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Reynolds
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> No, no, no.
>
> He said it, it doesn't mean he actually believes it. Totally different thing
> :)
>
> It is best for the GOP if Hillary wins the democratic nomination.
> Polling data and the GOP believe it is their best path to the
> Presidency, as they can smear her all the way until election day.
> Sanders is a different story. I have not seen any recent polls that
> predict a win for any GOP candidate against Sanders. Tactically
> speaking, they need to smear Sanders as much as possible now so that
> they can deal with Hillary later.
>
> Trump isn't stupid.
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>> Trump thinks thatI'm not sure I believe it.
>> Trump does make a good point that most of the people there protesting had
>> Bernie signs...
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
>> Chicago Violence
>>
>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>>
>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>>> of
>>> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>>
>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>>
>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>>> supporting?
>>>>
>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning
>>>>> them
>>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an
>>>>> exit
>>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources
>>>>> for
>>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts.
>>>>> They
>>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.
>>>>> I
>>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells
>>>>> and
>>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

a good point

and - i don't agree with it (i hope i don't!) - but have you seen this website?

https://electionbettingodds.com/

It isn't like polls...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 12:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


  No, no, no.

  He said it, it doesn't mean he actually believes it. Totally different thing 
:)

  It is best for the GOP if Hillary wins the democratic nomination.
  Polling data and the GOP believe it is their best path to the
  Presidency, as they can smear her all the way until election day.
  Sanders is a different story. I have not seen any recent polls that
  predict a win for any GOP candidate against Sanders. Tactically
  speaking, they need to smear Sanders as much as possible now so that
  they can deal with Hillary later.

  Trump isn't stupid.

  On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
  <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
  >
  > Trump thinks thatI'm not sure I believe it.
  > Trump does make a good point that most of the people there protesting had
  > Bernie signs...
  >
  >
  > - Original Message -
  > From: Josh Reynolds
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:31 PM
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
  > Chicago Violence
  >
  > Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
  >
  > On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
  > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
  >> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
  >> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
  >>
  >> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
  >> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither 
of
  >> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
  >> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
  >>
  >> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
  >>
  >> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
  >>>
  >>> Singing songs and carrying signs
  >>> Mostly say hooray for our side
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
  >>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
  >>> To: af@afmug.com
  >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
  >>> After Chicago Violence
  >>>
  >>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
  >>> supporting?
  >>>
  >>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
  >>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
  >>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an 
exit
  >>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
  >>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. 
They
  >>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  
I
  >>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells 
and
  >>>> not even realize it.
  >>>>
  >>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
  >>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> Yes   great idea
  >>>>
  >>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
  >>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> The Solorza Summit.
  >>>>
  >>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
  >>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
  >>>> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
  >>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
  >>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
  >>>> can be a good place to start over.
  >>>>
  >>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
  >>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com &

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Diane Fieinstein and Nancy Pelosi are both garbage and need to go.

Same for Kentucky's own Mitch The Turtle.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:34 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish
> people would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though -
> that's where a large portion of the problems currently exist.
>
> Yessir it is - - and what most of us forget is that we are a very diverse
> country.  Here in the "deep red south" we yell obscenities and any of you
> "yeller dawg democrats" and can't understand how you'd ever think any of
> those policies are good.  Ya'll are clearly insane lunatic people. :)
>
> We loathe people like Diane Fieinstein and Nancy Pelosi.
>
> I had some friends I met on a high school trip that were from Rhode Island
> (make that Rhawd Dialand),  I got unfriended on facebook because my postings
> were leaning to the right and I'm more in the center than the right - - I
> mean if they were offended by MY comments, geez, they should read other
> posts.  I've talked with many of you - I've heard the opinions of "the other
> side", and I appreciate comments from both sides.  There are usually two
> sides to every story.  I even have a tendency to read and watch comments
> from both the left and the right - -  just to hear both narratives.  I don't
> think I'd ever vote democratic tho...
>
> Back to the discussion at handwe don't understand why YA'LL won't vote
> out all of your idiotic representatives who clearly don't represent OUR
> values.   and by the same token, YA'LL probably don't understand why WE
> don't vote out our representatives who represent OUR valueswhich
> couldn't be further from yours.   And thus - you understand where gridlock
> comes from.  Until 50% of our country agrees on an issue, we'll have
> deadlock in congress.
>
> We do need compromise.  We do need deal making.  That is how it works.  When
> you don't have that.it don't work.
>
> **steps off soapbox**
>
> :)
>
> You know, I've been on this list 12 years now.  I didn't think politics were
> ever allowed... lol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Reynolds
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald
>
> then
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident
>
> I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish
> people would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though -
> that's where a large portion of the problems currently exist.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if
>> he
>> were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or
>> indirectly
>> funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on it. But he
>> definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling money into
>> it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money trail leads.
>> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable. That's a
>> company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature, it's isolated
>> from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>>>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>>>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>>>
>>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
>>>> neither of
>>>> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>>> Mostly say h

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish
people would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though -
that's where a large portion of the problems currently exist.


Yessir it is - - and what most of us forget is that we are a very diverse 
country.  Here in the "deep red south" we yell obscenities and any of you 
"yeller dawg democrats" and can't understand how you'd ever think any of those 
policies are good.  Ya'll are clearly insane lunatic people. :)

We loathe people like Diane Fieinstein and Nancy Pelosi.  

I had some friends I met on a high school trip that were from Rhode Island 
(make that Rhawd Dialand),  I got unfriended on facebook because my postings 
were leaning to the right and I'm more in the center than the right - - I mean 
if they were offended by MY comments, geez, they should read other posts.  I've 
talked with many of you - I've heard the opinions of "the other side", and I 
appreciate comments from both sides.  There are usually two sides to every 
story.  I even have a tendency to read and watch comments from both the left 
and the right - -  just to hear both narratives.  I don't think I'd ever vote 
democratic tho...

Back to the discussion at handwe don't understand why YA'LL won't vote out 
all of your idiotic representatives who clearly don't represent OUR values.   
and by the same token, YA'LL probably don't understand why WE don't vote out 
our representatives who represent OUR valueswhich couldn't be further from 
yours.   And thus - you understand where gridlock comes from.  Until 50% of our 
country agrees on an issue, we'll have deadlock in congress.

We do need compromise.  We do need deal making.  That is how it works.  When 
you don't have that.it don't work.

**steps off soapbox**

:)

You know, I've been on this list 12 years now.  I didn't think politics were 
ever allowed... lol







  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


  Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald

  then

  http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident

  I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish
  people would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though -
  that's where a large portion of the problems currently exist.

  On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
  <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
  > Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if he
  > were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or indirectly
  > funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on it. But he
  > definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling money into
  > it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money trail leads.
  > Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable. That's a
  > company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature, it's isolated
  > from wrongdoing by it's participants.
  >
  > On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
  >>
  >> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
  >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >>>
  >>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
  >>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
  >>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
  >>>
  >>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
  >>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither 
of
  >>> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
  >>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
  >>>
  >>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
  >>>
  >>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
  >>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
  >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
  >>>> To: af@afmug.com
  >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
  >>>> After Chicago Violence
  >>>>
  >>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
  >>>> supporting?
  >>>>
  >>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
  >>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

No, no, no.

He said it, it doesn't mean he actually believes it. Totally different thing :)

It is best for the GOP if Hillary wins the democratic nomination.
Polling data and the GOP believe it is their best path to the
Presidency, as they can smear her all the way until election day.
Sanders is a different story. I have not seen any recent polls that
predict a win for any GOP candidate against Sanders. Tactically
speaking, they need to smear Sanders as much as possible now so that
they can deal with Hillary later.

Trump isn't stupid.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:25 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
> Trump thinks thatI'm not sure I believe it.
> Trump does make a good point that most of the people there protesting had
> Bernie signs...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Reynolds
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>
>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of
>> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>
>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>
>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>> supporting?
>>>
>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>
>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>>
>>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>>> the guy
>>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>>> these rallies
>>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Already happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy
https://www.rt.com/usa/hack-voting-system-dc-593/
http://thehackernews.com/2015/12/us-voter-database-hacked.html
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/01/21/are-u-s-rivals-hacking-the-american-electoral-system-why-its-impossible-to-know/

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:12 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If it were possible to move the vote online, which its not, and it never
> will be, we would easily be able to move away from a party system, eliminate
> delegations and electoral college and go fully to popular vote. But we can't
> even get voting machines fraud free and have a government whom the vast
> majority think its funny they can't operate a cellphone effectively and
> don't understand email, an online systems vote outcome would be dictated by
> which 12 year old hacked in last between games of call of duty.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 11:55 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I've done those, but it should be the new system.
>>
>> Why in this day and age can't we take a step beyond and use this system to
>> star rate candidates on an individual basis?
>>
>> But also reverse the weighting so those that 'win' by choosing the
>> eventual winning candidates that ALSO are higher rated through their term
>> are priority from others that vote in people that suck and have a bad star
>> rating over their term?
>>
>> Does that make sense?
>>
>> I like shopping on Amazon, lol!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:51 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
>> Chicago Violence
>>
>> https://www.isidewith.com/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Isn’t this just a problem of money?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > When did our whole political system design itself so much around those
>> > that can move money?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Isn’t there a way to re-invent our system such that we all go online,
>> > identify ourselves with political ideals and resolutions we like, then
>> > get a list of candidates that have volunteered for presidency? With
>> > weighting based on MERIT, not MONEY or PARTY.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m so sick of party politics, but not to the point of voting for
>> > assholes, extremist and incompetents.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Maybe I’ll just do a write in.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is that still allowed?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Worthless, but alleviates my conscious by voting still, but not voting
>> > for someone I really don’t care for, which currently are all of the
>> > “candidates”.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
>> > /sarcasm
>> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:44 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>> > After Chicago Violence
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think
>> > if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly
>> > or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come
>> > clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support
>> > him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows
>> > where the money trail leads.
>> > Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable.
>> > That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature,
>> > it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>> >
>> > On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>> >
>> > On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>> > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>> > Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Trump thinks thatI'm not sure I believe it.
Trump does make a good point that most of the people there protesting had 
Bernie signs...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


  Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters? 

  On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few 
Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever president 
is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good 
candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of 
the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just 
continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.

I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.

On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  Singing songs and carrying signs
  Mostly say hooray for our side


  -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More 
After Chicago Violence

  Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
  supporting?

  That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them 
they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit 
strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for better 
preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no 
clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot 
of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even 
realize it.

On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes   great idea

On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

The Solorza Summit.

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
can be a good place to start over.

On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
Jaime you kind of
hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
around at the
tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
country. It's a
shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
to labeling
("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
"birther", etc) /
name calling.

I never considered a difference of opinion in
politics, in religion,
in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
Thomas
Jefferson

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>
> Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?


-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please 
excuse my
brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

and then there is this:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/14/george-soros-funds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all


  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


  I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few 
Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever president 
is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

  I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good candidate, 
but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of the two on 
the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just continue focusing 
on dividing the nation like the current mope.

  I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.

  On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


  He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them 
they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit 
strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for better 
preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no 
clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot 
of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even 
realize it.

  On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Yes   great idea

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
  <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

  The Solorza Summit.

  On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
  <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
  wrote:

  Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
  points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
  on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
  can be a good place to start over.

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
  <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

  Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

  I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
  the guy
  deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
  these rallies
  regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
  Jaime you kind of
  hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
  around at the
  tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
  country. It's a
  shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
  to labeling
  ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
  "birther", etc) /
  name calling.

  I never considered a difference of opinion in
  politics, in religion,
  in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
  Thomas
  Jefferson

  On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
  <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
  <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  >

  
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
  >
  > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?


  -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please 
excuse my
  brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Just a prime example of paid protestors ... um ... not getting paid (quick 
google search)

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ferguson-Missouri-paid-protesters/2015/05/25/id/646587/


  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


  I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few 
Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever president 
is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

  I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good candidate, 
but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of the two on 
the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just continue focusing 
on dividing the nation like the current mope.

  I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.

  On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


  He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them 
they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit 
strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for better 
preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no 
clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot 
of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even 
realize it.

  On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  Yes   great idea

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
  <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

  The Solorza Summit.

  On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
  <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
  wrote:

  Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
  points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
  on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
  can be a good place to start over.

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
  <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

  Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

  I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
  the guy
  deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
  these rallies
  regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
  Jaime you kind of
  hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
  around at the
  tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
  country. It's a
  shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
  to labeling
  ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
  "birther", etc) /
  name calling.

  I never considered a difference of opinion in
  politics, in religion,
  in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
  Thomas
  Jefferson

  On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
  <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
  <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
  >

  
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
  >
  > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?


  -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please 
excuse my
  brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Sterling Jacobson]

Maybe it would work on a phase in basis.

With the block chain technology.

We practice the full cycle rating system for the next 10 years, then switch 
over.

Again, if people were rated along with the candidates, policies and reform they 
voted for, to create a ‘reliability of rated success’ we could transform 
politics.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


If it were possible to move the vote online, which its not, and it never will 
be, we would easily be able to move away from a party system, eliminate 
delegations and electoral college and go fully to popular vote. But we can't 
even get voting machines fraud free and have a government whom the vast 
majority think its funny they can't operate a cellphone effectively and don't 
understand email, an online systems vote outcome would be dictated by which 12 
year old hacked in last between games of call of duty.
On Mar 12, 2016 11:55 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I've done those, but it should be the new system.

Why in this day and age can't we take a step beyond and use this system to star 
rate candidates on an individual basis?

But also reverse the weighting so those that 'win' by choosing the eventual 
winning candidates that ALSO are higher rated through their term are priority 
from others that vote in people that suck and have a bad star rating over their 
term?

Does that make sense?

I like shopping on Amazon, lol!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

https://www.isidewith.com/


On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
> Isn’t this just a problem of money?
>
>
>
> When did our whole political system design itself so much around those
> that can move money?
>
>
>
> Isn’t there a way to re-invent our system such that we all go online,
> identify ourselves with political ideals and resolutions we like, then
> get a list of candidates that have volunteered for presidency? With
> weighting based on MERIT, not MONEY or PARTY.
>
>
>
> I’m so sick of party politics, but not to the point of voting for
> assholes, extremist and incompetents.
>
>
>
> Maybe I’ll just do a write in.
>
>
>
> Is that still allowed?
>
>
>
> Worthless, but alleviates my conscious by voting still, but not voting
> for someone I really don’t care for, which currently are all of the
> “candidates”.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
> Of That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
> After Chicago Violence
>
>
>
> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think
> if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly
> or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come
> clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support
> him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where 
> the money trail leads.
> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable.
> That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature,
> it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> <j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>
> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>
> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
> neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction,
> they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>
> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken H

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If it were possible to move the vote online, which its not, and it never
will be, we would easily be able to move away from a party system,
eliminate delegations and electoral college and go fully to popular vote.
But we can't even get voting machines fraud free and have a government whom
the vast majority think its funny they can't operate a cellphone
effectively and don't understand email, an online systems vote outcome
would be dictated by which 12 year old hacked in last between games of call
of duty.
On Mar 12, 2016 11:55 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:

> Yeah, I've done those, but it should be the new system.
>
> Why in this day and age can't we take a step beyond and use this system to
> star rate candidates on an individual basis?
>
> But also reverse the weighting so those that 'win' by choosing the
> eventual winning candidates that ALSO are higher rated through their term
> are priority from others that vote in people that suck and have a bad star
> rating over their term?
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> I like shopping on Amazon, lol!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> https://www.isidewith.com/
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
> > Isn’t this just a problem of money?
> >
> >
> >
> > When did our whole political system design itself so much around those
> > that can move money?
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn’t there a way to re-invent our system such that we all go online,
> > identify ourselves with political ideals and resolutions we like, then
> > get a list of candidates that have volunteered for presidency? With
> > weighting based on MERIT, not MONEY or PARTY.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m so sick of party politics, but not to the point of voting for
> > assholes, extremist and incompetents.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe I’ll just do a write in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is that still allowed?
> >
> >
> >
> > Worthless, but alleviates my conscious by voting still, but not voting
> > for someone I really don’t care for, which currently are all of the
> > “candidates”.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
> > /sarcasm
> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
> > After Chicago Violence
> >
> >
> >
> > Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think
> > if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly
> > or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come
> > clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support
> > him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows
> where the money trail leads.
> > Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable.
> > That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature,
> > it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> > Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> > president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
> >
> > I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> > candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
> > neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction,
> > they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current
> mope.
> >
> > I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >
> > Singing songs and carrying signs
> > Mostly say hooray for our side
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] O

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Correction: redistricting not rezoning

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> Rider bills have to go. Citizens United has to go. FISA courts have to
> go. Rezoning every few years has to go. Career politicians have to go.
> ETC.
>
> Elected officials are there to perform a public service, not make a
> career out of selling their soul to the highest bidders multiple times
> on a daily basis.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson
> <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>> Yeah, that's maybe the only upside to any of this, people waking up to 
>> politics.
>>
>> I don't know anything from anything, but I know what I don't want and do 
>> want based on policy.
>>
>> I also hate that the stuff pushed through congress is so aggregated and 
>> manipulated.
>>
>> It's a wonder anything works at all?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:49 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
>> Chicago Violence
>>
>> Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald
>>
>> then
>>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident
>>
>> I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish people 
>> would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though - that's where 
>> a large portion of the problems currently exist.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think
>>> if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly
>>> or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come
>>> clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support
>>> him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where 
>>> the money trail leads.
>>> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable.
>>> That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature,
>>> it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a
>>>>> few Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support
>>>>> whichever president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately 
>>>>> Bernie.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
>>>>> neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive
>>>>> direction, they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation like the 
>>>>> current mope.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
>>>>>> More After Chicago Violence
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid
>>>>>> protesters supporting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the
>>>>>>> local protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been
>>>>>>> warning them they're going to be outnumbered by the paid
>>>>>>> protesters and to have an exit strategy if things go south. And
>>>>>>> also pointed them to some resources for b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Rider bills have to go. Citizens United has to go. FISA courts have to
go. Rezoning every few years has to go. Career politicians have to go.
ETC.

Elected officials are there to perform a public service, not make a
career out of selling their soul to the highest bidders multiple times
on a daily basis.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> Yeah, that's maybe the only upside to any of this, people waking up to 
> politics.
>
> I don't know anything from anything, but I know what I don't want and do want 
> based on policy.
>
> I also hate that the stuff pushed through congress is so aggregated and 
> manipulated.
>
> It's a wonder anything works at all?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
> Chicago Violence
>
> Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald
>
> then
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident
>
> I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish people 
> would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though - that's where 
> a large portion of the problems currently exist.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think
>> if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly
>> or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come
>> clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support
>> him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where 
>> the money trail leads.
>> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable.
>> That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature,
>> it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a
>>>> few Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support
>>>> whichever president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately 
>>>> Bernie.
>>>>
>>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
>>>> neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive
>>>> direction, they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation like the 
>>>> current mope.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
>>>>> More After Chicago Violence
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid
>>>>> protesters supporting?
>>>>>
>>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the
>>>>>> local protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been
>>>>>> warning them they're going to be outnumbered by the paid
>>>>>> protesters and to have an exit strategy if things go south. And
>>>>>> also pointed them to some resources for better preparedness in the
>>>>>> event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no clue what
>>>>>> they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a
>>>>>> lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and not 
>>>>>> even realize it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com &l

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yeah, that's maybe the only upside to any of this, people waking up to politics.

I don't know anything from anything, but I know what I don't want and do want 
based on policy.

I also hate that the stuff pushed through congress is so aggregated and 
manipulated.

It's a wonder anything works at all?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald

then

http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident

I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish people 
would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though - that's where a 
large portion of the problems currently exist.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think 
> if he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly 
> or indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come 
> clean on it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support 
> him funneling money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where 
> the money trail leads.
> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable. 
> That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature, 
> it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a 
>>> few Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support 
>>> whichever president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately 
>>> Bernie.
>>>
>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good 
>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and 
>>> neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive 
>>> direction, they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation like the 
>>> current mope.
>>>
>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even 
>>>> More After Chicago Violence
>>>>
>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid 
>>>> protesters supporting?
>>>>
>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the 
>>>>> local protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been 
>>>>> warning them they're going to be outnumbered by the paid 
>>>>> protesters and to have an exit strategy if things go south. And 
>>>>> also pointed them to some resources for better preparedness in the 
>>>>> event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no clue what 
>>>>> they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a 
>>>>> lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and not 
>>>>> even realize it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

https://www.isidewith.com/


On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson
<sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> Isn’t this just a problem of money?
>
>
>
> When did our whole political system design itself so much around those that
> can move money?
>
>
>
> Isn’t there a way to re-invent our system such that we all go online,
> identify ourselves with political ideals and resolutions we like, then get a
> list of candidates that have volunteered for presidency? With weighting
> based on MERIT, not MONEY or PARTY.
>
>
>
> I’m so sick of party politics, but not to the point of voting for assholes,
> extremist and incompetents.
>
>
>
> Maybe I’ll just do a write in.
>
>
>
> Is that still allowed?
>
>
>
> Worthless, but alleviates my conscious by voting still, but not voting for
> someone I really don’t care for, which currently are all of the
> “candidates”.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
>
>
> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if he
> were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or indirectly
> funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on it. But he
> definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling money into
> it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money trail leads.
> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable. That's a
> company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature, it's isolated
> from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>
> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of
> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>
> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Singing songs and carrying signs
> Mostly say hooray for our side
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
> supporting?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>
> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
> not even realize it.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes   great idea
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>
> The Solorza Summit.
>
> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
> can be a good place to start over.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>
> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>
> I don't cond

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Sterling Jacobson]

Isn’t this just a problem of money?

When did our whole political system design itself so much around those that can 
move money?

Isn’t there a way to re-invent our system such that we all go online, identify 
ourselves with political ideals and resolutions we like, then get a list of 
candidates that have volunteered for presidency? With weighting based on MERIT, 
not MONEY or PARTY.

I’m so sick of party politics, but not to the point of voting for assholes, 
extremist and incompetents.

Maybe I’ll just do a write in.

Is that still allowed?

Worthless, but alleviates my conscious by voting still, but not voting for 
someone I really don’t care for, which currently are all of the “candidates”.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 10:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if he 
were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or indirectly 
funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on it. But he 
definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling money into it. 
This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money trail leads. Anonymous 
donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable. That's a company that 
needs to be investigated, but by it's nature, it's isolated from wrongdoing by 
it's participants.
On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few Hillary 
and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever president is on 
the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good candidate, 
but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of the two on 
the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just continue focusing 
on dividing the nation like the current mope.

I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local protester 
chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them they're going to 
be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit strategy if things go 
south. And also pointed them to some resources for better preparedness in the 
event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no clue what they're in 
for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot of them will be 
recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even realize it.

On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Yes   great idea

On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote:

The Solorza Summit.

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
can be a good place to start over.

On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
Jaime you 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Trump has already said the gop has broken the deal, he may run as an
independent anyway, which will decimate the republican parties poll
numbers, all they'll get are the party liners. I don't even think there is
a current political affiliation trump would fall into, trumpetarian I
guess. It's possible he could make a run still as an independent and be
successful as long as he doesn't stab a protester, which I think was his
plan in Ohio today. I just hope tommorrow doesn't turn into early Christmas
shopping for central illinois, at least there will still be workboots in
the looted stores.
On Mar 12, 2016 11:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if
> he were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or
> indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on
> it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling
> money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money
> trail leads. Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually
> untraceable. That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's
> nature, it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>>
>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>>
>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>>
>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>>> supporting?
>>>>
>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. 
>>>>> They
>>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Check out http://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald

then

http://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident

I've never seen activism like this. Ever. It's kind of crazy. I wish
people would get MUCH more involved with the house and senate though -
that's where a large portion of the problems currently exist.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if he
> were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or indirectly
> funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on it. But he
> definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling money into
> it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money trail leads.
> Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually untraceable. That's a
> company that needs to be investigated, but by it's nature, it's isolated
> from wrongdoing by it's participants.
>
> On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>>
>>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither of
>>> the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>>
>>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>>
>>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>>> supporting?
>>>>
>>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. 
>>>>> They
>>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Not a chance in hell there's a dime coming directly from him. I think if he
were to actually find out money from his campaign was directly or
indirectly funnelled into the nonsense he would stop it and come clean on
it. But he definetely won't put a stop to those who support him funneling
money into it. This is such a dirty election, who knows where the money
trail leads. Anonymous donors to gofundme accounts are virtually
untraceable. That's a company that needs to be investigated, but by it's
nature, it's isolated from wrongdoing by it's participants.
On Mar 12, 2016 11:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>
>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>
>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>
>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>> supporting?
>>>
>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>
>>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>>
>>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>>> the guy
>>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>>> these rallies
>>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>>> Jaime you kind of
>>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>>>> around at the
>>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>>>> country. It's a
>>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>>>> to labeling
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

One of the big problems I see with voting in the US is the fact that people
feel that they have to vote republican or democrat even if their heart is
somewhere else.

I'm sort of a 'moderate libertarian'.   I find a lot of people are of this
temperament - probably right up there with the number of democrats.   I
believe the government should stay out of most things, but some of the
things the libertarian party thinks should be deregulated or privatized
presupposes that greedy corporations and individuals will do the right
thing.  But back to the point, many people would find themselves more
aligned with a party which isn't the republicans or democrats.

Because of the system we have, there's no way for me to vote ' I really
want the libertarian, but If I can't have that, I'd settle for this other
candidate.  So I have to look at the republicrat candidates and decide if I
should help weight the election towards one or another of them.

I suspect if people could vote what their conscience dictated without
feeling like their vote wasn't likely to count we'd start seeing more third
parties in office.

-forrest

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have voted libertarian in the past.  Multiple people told me I was
> "wasting my vote".
> I tell them the only way you waste your vote is by voting for something
> you didn't really believe in.
>
>
> On 3/13/2016 12:07 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> This is looking like a year that I may end up voting libertarian again.
>
> I voted for Obama the last two go arounds mainly because I had hoped he
> could bring both sides to the table.  That didn't happen and so I'm a bit
> dissapointed.
>
> I'm a single issue voter at this point.   Whoever can act as a catalyst to
> get our politics working like it was described in elementary school social
> studies gets my vote.I feel the most important thing a president can do
> is get everyone in a room and hammer out a deal.   This whole refusal to
> come to a middle ground has to stop.  I thought Obama might be it.   Boy
> was I wrong.  The Republicans dug in even more.
>
> I don't see any of the presidential candidates being this person.   So I'm
> likely voting for the third party unless something changes.
> On Mar 12, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
>> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
>> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>>
>> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
>> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
>> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
>> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>>
>> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
>> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>>> After Chicago Violence
>>>
>>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>>> supporting?
>>>
>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>>> not even realize it.
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes   great idea
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Mathew Howard]

That's pretty much the conclusion I've come to as well.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 10:56 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>
> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>
> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>> After Chicago Violence
>>
>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>> supporting?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>> not even realize it.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes   great idea
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>
>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>
>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>> the guy
>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>> these rallies
>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>> Jaime you kind of
>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>>> around at the
>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>>> country. It's a
>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>>> to labeling
>>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>>> "birther", etc) /
>>> name calling.
>>>
>>> I never considered a difference of opinion in
>>> politics, in religion,
>>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
>>> Thomas
>>> Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>>> >
>>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>>> excuse my
>>> brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Do you think Bernie Sanders is paying for protesters?
On Mar 12, 2016 10:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>
> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>
> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>> After Chicago Violence
>>
>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>> supporting?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>> not even realize it.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes   great idea
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>
>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>
>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>> the guy
>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>> these rallies
>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>> Jaime you kind of
>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>>> around at the
>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>>> country. It's a
>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>>> to labeling
>>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>>> "birther", etc) /
>>> name calling.
>>>
>>> I never considered a difference of opinion in
>>> politics, in religion,
>>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
>>> Thomas
>>> Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>>> >
>>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>>> excuse my
>>> brevity.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Adam Moffett]

I have voted libertarian in the past.  Multiple people told me I was 
"wasting my vote".
I tell them the only way you waste your vote is by voting for something 
you didn't really believe in.



On 3/13/2016 12:07 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


This is looking like a year that I may end up voting libertarian again.

I voted for Obama the last two go arounds mainly because I had hoped 
he could bring both sides to the table. That didn't happen and so I'm 
a bit dissapointed.


I'm a single issue voter at this point.   Whoever can act as a 
catalyst to get our politics working like it was described in 
elementary school social studies gets my vote.I feel the most 
important thing a president can do is get everyone in a room and 
hammer out a deal.   This whole refusal to come to a middle ground has 
to stop.  I thought Obama might be it.   Boy was I wrong.  The 
Republicans dug in even more.


I don't see any of the presidential candidates being this person.   So 
I'm likely voting for the third party unless something changes.


On Mar 12, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a
few Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support
whichever president is on the bills they are paid with, but
predominately Bernie.

I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and
neither of the two on the left will take us in any positive
direction, they'll just continue focusing on dividing the nation
like the current mope.

I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.

On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him
Even More After Chicago Violence

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid
protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring
the local protester chatter, their plans to go and
protest. I've been warning them they're going to be
outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some
resources for better preparedness in the event they choose
to stay if mayhem starts. They have no clue what they're
in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a
lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror
cells and not even realize it.

On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Yes   great idea

On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley"
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote:

The Solorza Summit.

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>>
wrote:

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I
have different
points of view from many but I also listen and
learn allot
on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee
across a table
can be a good place to start over.

On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken
up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not
like Trump, but
the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit.
Breaking up
these rallies

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This is looking like a year that I may end up voting libertarian again.

I voted for Obama the last two go arounds mainly because I had hoped he
could bring both sides to the table.  That didn't happen and so I'm a bit
dissapointed.

I'm a single issue voter at this point.   Whoever can act as a catalyst to
get our politics working like it was described in elementary school social
studies gets my vote.I feel the most important thing a president can do
is get everyone in a room and hammer out a deal.   This whole refusal to
come to a middle ground has to stop.  I thought Obama might be it.   Boy
was I wrong.  The Republicans dug in even more.

I don't see any of the presidential candidates being this person.   So I'm
likely voting for the third party unless something changes.
On Mar 12, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
> Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
> president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.
>
> I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
> candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
> of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
> continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.
>
> I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
> On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Singing songs and carrying signs
>> Mostly say hooray for our side
>>
>>
>> -Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
>> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More
>> After Chicago Violence
>>
>> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
>> supporting?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>>> not even realize it.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes   great idea
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>
>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>>> can be a good place to start over.
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>
>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>>> the guy
>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>>> these rallies
>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>>> Jaime you kind of
>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>>> around at the
>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>>> country. It's a
>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>>> to labeling
>>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>>> "birther", etc) /
>>> name calling.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I think the locals are primarily just anti trump, mostly Bernie, a few
Hillary and maybe one for Cruz. The paid protesters support whichever
president is on the bills they are paid with, but predominately Bernie.

I hate that I have to vote trump, i wish there were an actual good
candidate, but Cruz is too much of a zealot to beat the left, and neither
of the two on the left will take us in any positive direction, they'll just
continue focusing on dividing the nation like the current mope.

I'm still hoping Bill Murray makes his run for real.
On Mar 12, 2016 10:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Singing songs and carrying signs
> Mostly say hooray for our side
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After
> Chicago Violence
>
> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
> supporting?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>> not even realize it.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes   great idea
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> The Solorza Summit.
>>
>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>> can be a good place to start over.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>> <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>
>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>> the guy
>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>> these rallies
>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>> Jaime you kind of
>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>> around at the
>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>> country. It's a
>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>> to labeling
>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>> "birther", etc) /
>> name calling.
>>
>> I never considered a difference of opinion in
>> politics, in religion,
>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
>> Thomas
>> Jefferson
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>> >
>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>
>>
>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>> excuse my
>> brevity.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Ken Hohhof]

Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say hooray for our side


-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence


Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
supporting?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them 
they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit 
strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for 
better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. 
They have no clue what they're in for with these professional 
rabblerousers.  I fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left 
wing terror cells and not even realize it.


On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yes   great idea

On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

The Solorza Summit.

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
can be a good place to start over.

On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
Jaime you kind of
hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
around at the
tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
country. It's a
shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
to labeling
("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
"birther", etc) /
name calling.

I never considered a difference of opinion in
politics, in religion,
in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
Thomas
Jefferson

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>
> Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my

brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

I would guess Hillary supporters, based on the videos released from several
polling sites.

Just a guess though.
On Mar 12, 2016 9:57 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters
> supporting?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
>> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
>> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
>> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
>> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
>> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
>> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
>> not even realize it.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > > wrote:
>>
>> Yes   great idea
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> The Solorza Summit.
>>
>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
>> points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
>> on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
>> can be a good place to start over.
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>
>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
>> the guy
>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
>> these rallies
>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
>> Jaime you kind of
>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
>> around at the
>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
>> country. It's a
>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
>> to labeling
>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
>> "birther", etc) /
>> name calling.
>>
>> I never considered a difference of opinion in
>> politics, in religion,
>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
>> Thomas
>> Jefferson
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>>
>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>> >
>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>
>>
>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please
>> excuse my
>> brevity.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jay Weekley]

Who are the local protesters supporting and who are the paid protesters 
supporting?


That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local 
protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning 
them they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to 
have an exit strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to 
some resources for better preparedness in the event they choose to 
stay if mayhem starts. They have no clue what they're in for with 
these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot of them will be 
recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even realize it.


On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


Yes   great idea

On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:

The Solorza Summit.

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza
>
wrote:

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different
points of view from many but I also listen and learn allot
on this list...a cold beer or cup of coffee across a table
can be a good place to start over.

On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but
the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up
these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy.
Jaime you kind of
hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit
around at the
tavern having a brew and debating the future of the
country. It's a
shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting
to labeling
("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger",
"birther", etc) /
name calling.

I never considered a difference of opinion in
politics, in religion,
in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
Thomas
Jefferson

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:
>

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>
> Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my

brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Ken Hohhof]

Bloomington, Cincinnati and Boca Raton all in one day.  I guess that’s why the 
Bloomington event is at an airport.  Keep the engines running!

http://www.donaldjtrump.com/schedule/


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After 
Chicago Violence

He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local protester 
chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them they're going to 
be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit strategy if things go 
south. And also pointed them to some resources for better preparedness in the 
event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They have no clue what they're in 
for with these professional rabblerousers.  I fear a lot of them will be 
recruited into these left wing terror cells and not even realize it. 

On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Yes   great idea

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

The Solorza Summit. 


On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote: 
  Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different points of view 
from many but I also listen and learn allot on this list...a cold beer or cup 
of coffee across a table can be a good place to start over.   

  On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy. Jaime you kind of
hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit around at the
tavern having a brew and debating the future of the country. It's a
shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting to labeling
("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger", "birther", etc) /
name calling.

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion,
in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas
Jefferson

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>
> Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?


-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Lewis Bergman]

It is surprising that once someone commits to politician they can't seem to
ever change their opinion, no matter what side they are on.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 9:22 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> He's coming to this area tommorrow. I have been monitoring the local
> protester chatter, their plans to go and protest. I've been warning them
> they're going to be outnumbered by the paid protesters and to have an exit
> strategy if things go south. And also pointed them to some resources for
> better preparedness in the event they choose to stay if mayhem starts. They
> have no clue what they're in for with these professional rabblerousers.  I
> fear a lot of them will be recruited into these left wing terror cells and
> not even realize it.
> On Mar 12, 2016 8:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes   great idea
>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Solorza Summit.
>>>
>>> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different points of
 view from many but I also listen and learn allot on this list...a cold beer
 or cup of coffee across a table can be a good place to start over.
 On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>
> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but the guy
> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up these rallies
> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy. Jaime you kind of
> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit around at the
> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the country. It's a
> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting to labeling
> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger", "birther", etc) /
> name calling.
>
> I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion,
> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> >
> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
> >
> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>

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>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes   great idea
On Mar 12, 2016 7:39 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> The Solorza Summit.
>
> On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different points of view
>> from many but I also listen and learn allot on this list...a cold beer or
>> cup of coffee across a table can be a good place to start over.
>> On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>>
>>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but the guy
>>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up these rallies
>>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy. Jaime you kind of
>>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit around at the
>>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the country. It's a
>>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting to labeling
>>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger", "birther", etc) /
>>> name calling.
>>>
>>> I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion,
>>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas
>>> Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>>> >
>>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>>
>>
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>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jay Weekley]

The Solorza Summit. 

On March 12, 2016 8:18:36 PM CST, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
>Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different points of
>view
>from many but I also listen and learn allot on this list...a cold beer
>or
>cup of coffee across a table can be a good place to start over.
>On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>>
>> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but the guy
>> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up these rallies
>> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy. Jaime you kind of
>> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit around at the
>> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the country. It's a
>> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting to labeling
>> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger", "birther", etc) /
>> name calling.
>>
>> I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion,
>> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas
>> Jefferson
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>  wrote:
>> >
>>
>http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>> >
>> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep   I don't hate anyone on this list...I have different points of view
from many but I also listen and learn allot on this list...a cold beer or
cup of coffee across a table can be a good place to start over.
On Mar 12, 2016 7:08 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...
>
> I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but the guy
> deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up these rallies
> regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy. Jaime you kind of
> hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit around at the
> tavern having a brew and debating the future of the country. It's a
> shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting to labeling
> ("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger", "birther", etc) /
> name calling.
>
> I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion,
> in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> >
> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
> >
> > Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More After Chicago Violence

[Josh Reynolds]

Trump rally in Kansas City was just broken up...

I don't condone this at all. I may not like Trump, but the guy
deserves to sink or swim on his own merit. Breaking up these rallies
regardless of the speaker is a threat to democracy. Jaime you kind of
hinted at this earlier - Our forefathers used to sit around at the
tavern having a brew and debating the future of the country. It's a
shame we can't do the same anymore without resulting to labeling
("liberal", "rino", "right-winger", "left-winger", "birther", etc) /
name calling.

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion,
in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas
Jefferson

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/donald-trump-violence-chicago_us_56e49f5de4b065e2e3d63591
>
> Dogs?  Hum where have I seen that used before?