Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Jon Langeler]

I agree. I went through Cambium support about it and they treated me like 
'hmmm, that should work fine'. But it doesn't 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jun 15, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even with 
> 1 AP and 1 PTP link) 
> 
> Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for both 
> PTP and PMP in the original post.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP 
>> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than 
>> some of the PMP links.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you can 
>>> set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left with 
>>> downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>>> 
>>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on 
>>> the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>>> 
>>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy for 
>>> a cpl min.
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman 
  wrote:
>> 
 You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for 
 everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
 
 IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and 
 lower latency.
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 
> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.  
> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems 
> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
> 
> 2 cents
 
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>>  wrote:
 
>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on 
>> the board. Timing port only.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>> 
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if 
>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything 
>>> else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the 
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
>>> just about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use 
>>> something from PacketFlux, personally.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>>>  wrote:
 For a PTP link?
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 
 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray 
  wrote:
 
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 
> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
> 
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a 
> separate device?
> 
> Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

That sounds like a pretty good use for a 900mhz PTP link. You never quite
know what 900mhz is going to do until you try it, but I'd expect it to work
better than what you have now for that kind of a link.

I'd just put up the PTP link without sync on it and see how it works. If it
screws up the other AP, you can always add a GPS later and try getting sync
to work.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> The particular link I'm looking to replace is relatively short (0.46
> miles) through tons of trees. It is running right now with ePMP 2.4 GHz
> radios with a Force 200 on one end and a 24 dBi Rocket Dish on the other.
> Channel size is 5 MHz and signal floats around -80 dBm. I am entertaining
> the 900 MHz as a possible quick fix... but I've only got 6 customers there.
>
> I can't increase the size of the Force 200 end of the link with the
> current configuration.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even
>> with 1 AP and 1 PTP link)
>>
>> Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for
>> both PTP and PMP in the original post.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one
>>> AP and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter
>>> than some of the PMP links.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
 can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
 with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.

 It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly
 on the PMP system) to get them to sync.

 Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
 for a cpl min.

 -Sean


 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

>>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>
> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios
> and lower latency.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same
>> band.  It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both
>> systems and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not
>>> on the board. Timing port only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>>
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it
>>> if you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything
>>> else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
>>> just
>>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 For a PTP link?

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

 To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than
 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

 Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
 separate device?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Christopher Gray]

The particular link I'm looking to replace is relatively short (0.46 miles)
through tons of trees. It is running right now with ePMP 2.4 GHz radios
with a Force 200 on one end and a 24 dBi Rocket Dish on the other. Channel
size is 5 MHz and signal floats around -80 dBm. I am entertaining the 900
MHz as a possible quick fix... but I've only got 6 customers there.

I can't increase the size of the Force 200 end of the link with the current
configuration.


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even
> with 1 AP and 1 PTP link)
>
> Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for
> both PTP and PMP in the original post.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP
>> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than
>> some of the PMP links.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
>>> can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
>>> with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>>>
>>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly
>>> on the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>>>
>>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
>>> for a cpl min.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
 everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.

 IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios
 and lower latency.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same
> band.  It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both
> systems and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>
> 2 cents
>
 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
 The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not
>> on the board. Timing port only.
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>
>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything 
>> else.
>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
>> just
>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> For a PTP link?
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than
>>> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>>
>>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>>> separate device?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Sean Heskett]

I've tried it a couple times and it never really works quite right (even
with 1 AP and 1 PTP link)

Personally I'd try another band but it sounds like a possible NLOS for both
PTP and PMP in the original post.



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:23 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP
> and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than
> some of the PMP links.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
>> can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
>> with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>>
>> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on
>> the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>>
>> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
>> for a cpl min.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
>>> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>>>
>>> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios
>>> and lower latency.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
 It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
 and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.

 2 cents

>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
 wrote:

>>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
> the board. Timing port only.
>
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than
>> 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

Well, that's probably not too terrible if you're only dealing with one AP
and one PTP link... unless the distance of the PTP link is too shorter than
some of the PMP links.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you
> can set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left
> with downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.
>
> It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on
> the PMP system) to get them to sync.
>
> Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy
> for a cpl min.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
>> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>>
>> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
>> lower latency.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
>>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
>>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
 the board. Timing port only.


 On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Nope, that's all you need.

 No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
 you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
 If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
 Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
 about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
 from PacketFlux, personally.

 On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
 jeffl...@att.net> wrote:

> For a PTP link?
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
> separate device?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Sean Heskett]

There is no way to set "max miles" on the PTP system.  So hopefully you can
set the AP to the mileage of the PTP link.  Otherwise your only left with
downlink % and control slots to make the timing match.

It can be done but it's hard and you make a lot of concessions (mostly on
the PMP system) to get them to sync.

Also durring boot up of the PTP when it's ranging timing will go screwy for
a cpl min.

-Sean


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:48 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>
> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
> lower latency.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
>>> the board. Timing port only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>>
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
>>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 For a PTP link?

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

 To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
 radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

 Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
 separate device?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

There are issues getting PTP and PMP to sync with eachother... something to
do with the differences in how they handle the distance settings, if I
remember correctly.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
> everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.
>
> IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
> lower latency.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.
>> It can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems
>> and if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
>>> the board. Timing port only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>>
>>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
>>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
>>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
 For a PTP link?

 Jeff Broadwick
 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

 On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
 cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

 To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
 radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

 Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
 separate device?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

Not so... the 900mhz variety is 450i, and they do support sync over power
(according to Cambium... I haven't actually tried it).

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
> the board. Timing port only.
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Josh Luthman]

You just put them on the same timing system and then do 75/25 split for
everything.  Wouldn't be that crazy.

IMO sync for ptp is kind of dumb, though - I'd prefer flexible ratios and
lower latency.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.  It
> can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems and
> if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.
>
> 2 cents
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
>> the board. Timing port only.
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Nope, that's all you need.
>>
>> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
>> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
>> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
>> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
>> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
>> from PacketFlux, personally.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> For a PTP link?
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>>
>>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>>> separate device?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Sean Heskett]

Also it's usually pretty hard to sync a PTP with PMP in the same band.  It
can be done but you have to make a lot of concessions to both systems and
if one reboots everything is outa sync for a bit.

2 cents


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:34 AM George Skorup 
wrote:

> The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on
> the board. Timing port only.
>
>
> On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <%28312%29%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <%28574%29%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[George Skorup]

The PTP450 is just SM hardware (900 included). Sync over power is not on 
the board. Timing port only.


On 6/15/2017 10:48 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Nope, that's all you need.

No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if 
you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the 
Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so 
just about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use 
something from PacketFlux, personally.


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:


For a PTP link?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519  Office
574-220-7826  Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray
>
wrote:


To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other
than 2x radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?

Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
separate device?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Christopher Gray]

Yes, it is for a PTP link.

Can they sync with PMP100 hardware? I have an old AP relatively nearby that
will eventually be upgraded... so it is not really a necessity, but it
could be useful.

Do you know if it works with the PacketFlux syncpipe? I already have a
couple of those.



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> Nope, that's all you need.
>
> No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
> you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
> If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the
> Master radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just
> about any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something
> from PacketFlux, personally.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> For a PTP link?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
>> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>>
>> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a
>> separate device?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Mathew Howard]

Nope, that's all you need.

No, they don't have any built in GPS, but you don't really need it if
you're just doing one link and it doesn't need to sync with anything else.
If you do need sync, then you'd need to get some type of GPS for the Master
radio... they support both sync over power and timing port, so just about
any of the Canopy sync products should work I'd use something from
PacketFlux, personally.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> For a PTP link?
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
>
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a separate
> device?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

For a PTP link?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray  
> wrote:
> 
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x 
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
> 
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a separate 
> device?
> 
> Thank you - Chris