Re: [AFMUG] is this thing on?
Reference headers still being butchered. Your message id was: Message-ID: 014aac80139f-0a0965b9-fad8-4aef-bedb-b381a6bcf84f-000...@email.amazonses.com But Chuck's reply had: References: 014aac801767-9a0a20cc-a742-4e06-b342-7a54b23c22f4-000...@email.amazonses.com In-Reply-To: 014aac801767-9a0a20cc-a742-4e06-b342-7a54b23c22f4-000...@email.amazonses.com So it still didn't thread properly. The In-Reply-To should have matched the Message-ID. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] is this thing on?
On 1/2/15 13:35, Paul McCall wrote: Seth, is it /possible/ that that is an issue with his client that would cause that result? How does the rest of the thread look? I don't think it's him, threading is still broken since the Message-ID, References, and In-Reply-To headers are still coming across as a mixed bag of random. My message was: Message-ID: 014aac891658-2f8983aa-3868-492a-a54e-bc346f07a88d-000...@email.amazonses.com Your response had: References: 014aac80139f-0a0965b9-fad8-4aef-bedb-b381a6bcf84f-000...@email.amazonses.com 014aac891840-edbb201c-e004-4b6b-a2cd-a5a46b6b052b-000...@email.amazonses.com In-Reply-To: 014aac891840-edbb201c-e004-4b6b-a2cd-a5a46b6b052b-000...@email.amazonses.com Which is incorrect if you were indeed replying to my message. Of course this is only what I see; if SES is changing headers vs. what was submitted by the sender I can't see that. The WISPA lists work fine and enough people on here are also over there posting without breaking threading, so for that reason I find it unlikely to be a client problem. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
On 2/2/15 11:44, Keefe John wrote: Yes that would be a shame. I don't think Ubiquiti put in comments in support of the 10 ghz petition so a 10 ghz product would be surprising. I wouldn't be surprised; it says global wisp industry in the email and plenty of other countries can use 10GHz today. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
On 2/2/15 12:04, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Can a Ham radio operator use 10ghz today? Yep, for noncommercial use. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Everyone.Net
On 2/2/15 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Email is hard It's not technically hard. But email needs a lot of babysitting now. It's a burden to deal with the moving target of spam, scams, phishing, and viruses. Add to that users complaining about too much spam, false positives, deleted an email they really needed right now, not enough spam, etc. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 7:25 AM, That One Guy wrote: Excluding license fees, high quality unlicensed radios are at or higher than the cost of licensed radios. Granted this is my limited experience with one link and five vendors vetted. The trade off in path profile validity with no interference has an immeasurable value, pricing the licensed links way under the unlicensed gear. you also want to take into account the price point keeping the spectrum cleaner. If say UBNT came out with some licensed link at 2k. Everybody and their brother would hop on those links, eat up the available spectrum shut down the market, leaving you only the option to put fiber in the ground, now that licensed link wouldnt seem so expensive. I dont want to see licensed links come down in price for that very reason alone. We cover an area where the average joe is priced out of that market, we just finally got to the point we can get into licensed links on a small scale. I know there are alot of regular entities putting up air fiber to get 100mbit throughput. There are tons of ptp cambium radios in the air around here, all of which would be licensed links if they came down even 5%. Then there would be nothing left in a short period of time How optimistic to think that people that would buy a licensed band UBNT goldfish would actually license it with the FCC. They'd probably just turn it on with the highest power and widest channel it supports and f*ck over everyone else chasing down interference. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 9:52, Mike Hammett wrote: Without shooting the offending equipment, there's not much you can do other than call the FCC. One of them was Towerstream. I would have thought they'd know better but I was incorrect. I'd noticed someone hanging a 2' antenna few weeks before they called me and steered them that direction. The most recent one I don't know who it is. Basically every time they get stepped on they give me a call to ask if I've noticed any new antennas or crews doing something or are seeing anything on my paths. So no, I don't think it's angsty to presume people would just fire up affordable licensed gear without coordination when it's already a problem with irresponsible people getting their hands on licensed gear at the current price. They have an attidue of I paid money for this so nobody's gonna tell me what I can do with it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 9:36, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 1/15/15 9:12, Josh Reynolds wrote: This email has more angst than my 15 year old at 8am on a Saturday. On January 15, 2015 8:09:07 AM AKST, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us I can give you the contact of a licensee that's having the problem I described on a smaller scale if you think you can hep them. They have not been amused. Actually it's a community college, and ULS isn't exactly secret. Give WQRP301 a call. They are having repeated problems with people stepping on their 18GHz paths without issuing a PCN. If you have advice to give instead of being smug about my opinion on the problem that's be more helpful. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
On 1/14/15 16:16, Bill Prince wrote: OK. I think I get it! But I would still call it (2x2) + (2x2). I call MIMO and 4x4 crap when referring to licensed gear. For licensed stuff just say how many channels need to be licensed. Channel size and modulation gives me capacity. No smoke or mirrors. If the radio does header compression I'll treat that as a bonus but won't plan for it in capacity. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] IP20c 4x4 MIMO? Confused
On 1/14/15 15:39, Ken Hohhof wrote: Didn't you have a chart? Was it on coffee mugs or t shirts or something, or were those requests from the peanut gallery? Somehow there's a chart for that doesn't have the same zing as there's an app for that. I remember seeing a chart, but I didn't save it and I couldn't find it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/15/15 11:02, Josh Reynolds wrote: I don't understand how an 18GHz path has anything to do with Ubiquiti here, since the closest product they make to that band is on 24GHz. Ifyour problem is with ignorant operators, or just plain stupid operators, say so. If your problem is with Ubiquiti, say so. If your problem is with people failing to do the proper path analysis studies and frequency coordination (byyour PCN comment), say so. In any of these cases, it sounds like you are angry about something that has nothing to do with Ubiquiti or even an operator, but more or less whoever was *supposed* to be in chargeof the link design and common courtesy. I agreed with the post I responded to and the points contained therein, with my real life experience extrapolated to it a short response. I not only agree that licensed bands get used up faster, but that it would exacerbate existing instances of interference due to a higher percentage of ignorant operators jumping on a lower entry point or companies like UBNT making it easier for ignorant operators to enter the space and do bad things (i.e. past issues with compliance test mode and TDWR). ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 6 or 11ghz best option for higher capacity ?
On 1/16/15 11:12, Josh Luthman wrote: It's just a factor. What other options can do 80 MHz? Can they do 1024 QAM? I'd bet 60 MHz * 1024qam is pretty close to 80 MHz * 256qam. Yeah, probably only a 30 meg raw capacity difference. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
On 1/21/15 9:53, Tyler Treat wrote: haha you took your business rant to facebook? LIKE OMG GESS WAAT??!?!?!?! Internet argument!
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
On 1/21/15 12:12, Mike Hammett wrote: Yes, run the UniFi Controller at the colo. From there you can control every UniFi you place everywhere. It pulls statistics, handles upgrades, well, everything a controller is supposed to do. It doesn't have to be in a VPN, but that's what I do. Don't they talk to the controller over SSH anyway? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote: I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up. There is another election in 2 years. Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple: the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Licensed backhaul pricing - still ridiculous
On 1/14/15 8:46 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote: From my experience the price has not changed very much. Someone needs to take the reigns on the market. Even with certain companies throwing you a promo price, if you really look at it fully loaded, the price is still high for what you get. The prices seem pretty good to me. In my area an average price for a GigE of PTP fiber transport from a carrier is $2k/month. If I buy a GigE FDD worth of microwave for $20k it's paid for itself in less than a year. Oversimplified example but you get the idea. There was a time when that same $20k would net you a FastE link, so IMO it's improved a lot. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 1 Gigabit Licensed Link
On 1/14/15 6:18 AM, Daniel White wrote: SAF has a good whitepaper on LAG and how it applies to each platform (currently being updated for Integra) – and certainly for instance our Lumina platform could only look at MAC addresses. Integra looks at the packet – just like better switches do. I thought Integra would be able to do modem level aggregation? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
On 1/22/15 13:27, Dan Petermann wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)? All the stuff at a site I'm on that also has Clearwire on it is Redline and Dragonwave. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
On 1/22/15 15:28, Bill Prince wrote: Yep. Note the Transamerica tower in the background (tall pyramid building). Only building like that on the planet. And Alcatraz and the Golden Gate Bridge. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
On 1/22/15 8:46, Gino Villarini wrote: The guy is cooking his �. From article: http://www.siklu.com/isps/one-urban-isp-chose-siklu-mmw-connectivity/ At least the Freemile is low power. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Net neutrality
On 2/11/15 9:20, Brett A Mansfield wrote: It may be legal, but why should I be required to provide someone access to a paid service without getting anything from it? The customer pays you for internet access, right? That's what you get from it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] replacement iPhones go forever downloading apps
On 2/16/15 8:00, Ken Hohhof wrote: Is this a common problem and is it just that the phones are downloading so many gigabytes that you need a superfast Internet connection for it to finish within a reasonable time? Yes they'll download gigs upon gigs when with iCloud for backup/restore. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Two FCC related questions
On 1/30/15 11:39, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote: 1.Is the 25Mbps classification immediate? 2.What are you NOW going to call your previously determined �broadband� service? Internet access High speed internet Turbo speed internets Faster than the other guy's internet PornPipe Ultra 3000 ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] rodizio
On 1/31/15 11:11, Tyler Treat wrote: As someone who's never been to AF, I've heard you guys talk about Rodizio before- what is it? There's a Golden Corral down the road from my office. I don't feel like I get my money's worth on lunch there anymore. It all sorta tastes the same Every time I hear Golden Corral or Sizzler I cringe. They are more like low quality food troughs than a buffet. I went on a cruise a couple years ago and it seemed like the big things were gambling and alcohol and buffets. But I'm from Nevada where there's no such thing as last call, slots and alcohol next to the Coke in grocery stores, and buffets at the casinos. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] rodizio
On 1/31/15 11:28, Chuck McCown wrote: I am misunderstanding something here. When I lived in Nevada, the grocery stores had alcohol and slots. -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] rodizio On 1/31/15 11:11, Tyler Treat wrote: As someone who's never been to AF, I've heard you guys talk about Rodizio before- what is it? There's a Golden Corral down the road from my office. I don't feel like I get my money's worth on lunch there anymore. It all sorta tastes the same Every time I hear Golden Corral or Sizzler I cringe. They are more like low quality food troughs than a buffet. I went on a cruise a couple years ago and it seemed like the big things were gambling and alcohol and buffets. But I'm from Nevada where there's no such thing as last call, slots and alcohol next to the Coke in grocery stores, and buffets at the casinos. I meant no to last call and yes to the other stuff. Basically the cruise was like a floating version of home. For many years growing up there was a time when I didn't have a clue WTF people on TV and movies meant by last call. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps
On 1/31/15 15:28, Glen Waldrop wrote: Those that put up the towers for TV are used to having to work for something. A huge number of the first time home owners now expect people to do everything for free to get them as a customer. Oh definitely. They're doing you a favor by letting you install internet. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT - Falcon Heavy
On 2/1/15 1:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Doesn't it have a main engine thrust greater than Saturn V? (Saturn V used 5 of them didn't it)? Saturn V was 7.6 million pounds thrust first stage. The Rocketdyne F-1 was huge. Everything I see about the Falcon Heavy says 3.9 or 3.8 million pounds. So... still not as impressive in terms of raw power. But the thrust to weight ratio of a Saturn V was something like 1.2 and it lumbered off the pad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uoVfZpx5dY). If you consider a similar task of going to the moon: Falcon Heavy will be able to put 16,000 kg of payload into trans lunar injection. The Saturn V could launch almost 44,000 kg to the moon. SpaceX has some conceptual launch vehicles that would top that, but until then the Saturn V is still the world's most powerful rocket brought to operational status. Now, I wasn't born yet back then, but I'm relatively sure that economical wasn't the primary driving force during the space race. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Love calls like this
On 1/28/15 9:32, Nate Burke wrote: Customer: I can't send email, the server keeps sending me back errors, it's been happening now for a few days. Me: So you're getting an error message back? Customer: Yes, it's telling me that the domain is not found. Me: Did you spell the domain name right? Customer: Yes! Me: 'Looks through mail log, find's error' It looks like you're spelling the domain wrong Customer: No I'm not Me: Are you sure Customer: Yes, it's right Me: read it again Customer: It's right! Me: So you meant to put that extra 'T' in there? Customer: There is no 'T' Me: Read it to me Customer: Oh, that 'T' Me: Yep Customer: Oh, well, I guess it's working now, thanks. Back in 2000 or thereabouts the most hilarious thing in my tech support days was watching another tech arguing with a customer trying to get to the O'Reilly Factor website over the apostrophe. The call quickly went on speakerphone (it was a Saturday so the office was empty): Tech: You can't put the apostrophe in the address bar. Cust: But that's how you spell his name! Tech: Web addresses don't allow the apostrophe, I'm looking at it right now if you type in oreilly. Cust: You can't spell his name like that! Tech: Just try it. Cust: It doesn't work. Tech: Read back to me what you typed. Cust: o ' r e i l l y Tech: You have to take out the apostrophe. Cust: But that's how you spell his name! Loop for 30 minutes with no resolution. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Outlets with USB Ports
On 1/8/15 15:29, Tyler Treat wrote: I guess I've never seen a tamper resistant outlet? What's different? There's a plastic shutter inside that's supposed to make it harder to lick it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Generator Recommendations
On 2/14/15 10:39, Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking for recommendations on a 100kw (or thereabouts), 3 phase 240v (yes, not 208) autostarting generator. Bonus points if it auto tests and is IP accessible as well. Anything with a reconnectable alternator should be able to do 139/240 or 240/416. I use Cummins now but have used Cat in the past. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Pipe Mounts
On 2/13/15 11:46, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am doing this universal pipe mount that will allow a larger dish on a Rohn type or crappy sheet metal freestanding type. And doing the larger version of the M-TOW-P The question is, what size pipe? I had initially designed it with 3 inch pipe which is actually 3.5” OD. Looking at the pipe chart, 2.5” has an OD of 2.875”. The smaller pipe would be noticeably lighter to heft. Is that large enough to make SAF type mounts happy? Or would y’all rather have the larger pipe. I like 2-3/8 OD pipe for small MW antennas. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 24V UPS
On 1/6/15 19:58, Adam Moffett wrote: What's wrong? You don't like prying the batteries out of the APC with a tire iron? man up dude :) The latest gen of SmartUPS finally added t-comp charging. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router
On 3/17/15 8:45 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Even if its just for read only access? Don't be part of the problem: http://www.prolexic.com/kcresources/prolexic-threat-advisories/prolexic-ddos-threat-advisory-snmp-reflector/TA-SNMP-Reflection-A4-052014.pdf ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat
On 3/21/15 7:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think probably yes, but as not routable beyond your network. It’s space that should never exist in customer networks or the public Internet. And since it’s not publicly routable, I can use it, you can use it, Comcast and Verizon can use it over and over. So instead of picking some obscure range in RFC1918 space like 10.199.x.x to hand out to your customers and hoping none of them use those addresses internally, you could use the CGN space. I’m sure there is additional stuff that I don’t understand that makes it “carrier grade”. *From:* John Woodfield mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz *Sent:* Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:17 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat So is this address space available for our use? 100.64.0.0/10 It's covered in RFC 6598. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
On 3/17/15 10:37, Travis Johnson wrote: Installing a J-mount (drilling holes in a roof) and cable penetration (drilling a hole in the side of the house) is DEFINITELY damage to the property. Any warranty on the roof becomes null and void unless a certified roofer does the work and certifies the install. Drilling a hole through the siding and house is also damage. Concrete filled bucket in the yard. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Tesla
On 3/21/15 8:56, Josh Luthman wrote: Too new. Electric. The model S isn't even 5 years old, is it? Vehicle life span needs to be 5-10 in excellent condition. BMW has hit that 5 year mark (granted...barely) for some time. Model S came out in 2012. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Tesla
On 3/21/15 10:18, Chuck McCown wrote: I am waiting for the model 3 before I will consider switching to Tesla. Then they will have three to pick from S3X They wanted to call the new one the E model. Not sure who shot it down but someone did. Oh I'd take a Model S in a heartbeat. But I can't afford to drop $100k+ on one. A Model 3 is more likely. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Tesla
On 3/21/15 10:31, Bill Prince wrote: I personally think it's just a bit too soon to buy an electric car. In the next couple of years I expect some major movement in battery technology. Wasn't it Tesla talking about metal-air batteries that could get the range up to 400 miles? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat
On 3/21/15 17:26, Darin Steffl wrote: You are not assigned a Public IP on any cellular carriers anymore. They user carrier grade NAT. In some cases, you can pay for a Static IP to get around the NAT. But the IPv6 address is public and last time I checked, unfiltered. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OTA Television Signal Meter
On 3/19/15 12:28, Josh Luthman wrote: It's a wall plate..? I think the target market is RV's. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote: I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP is who did the actual damage to the property, without permission. Yes, they assumed they had permission, but without a signed contract from the legal owner of the property, the ISP does not have permission to cause damage to the property. What do you do if your tenants misrepresent themselves as the owner with authority? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] This mail list is a security risk for our industry !!!!!!!!
On 3/10/15 18:17, Mike Hammett wrote: Who didn't already know this was public? I didn't. Since those public archives only go back to September 2014 I'd say that's a relatively recent thing. I guess it's a feature of the new and improved list so everyone watch what you say. Actually I'd say that's a bad thing because people are less likely to share info knowing it's going public beyond just this list. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cisco CWDM-mux-8
On 3/28/15 11:28, Chuck McCown wrote: Don't count on non cisco branded SFP to be able to give you all the data metrics like RX power TX power etc. Cisco gear knows when it is not talking to its own stuff and will refuse to give you full features. I'm just referring to the CWDM mux. As long as the optics you connect to it are the right color I don't see why it would care what the active equipment is since the mux itself is passive. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Samsung smart TVs
On 3/3/15 12:03, Josh Luthman wrote: But has the interface changed? Yeah, it's been like 7 years. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cisco CWDM-mux-8
On 3/27/15 6:13 PM, Tyler Treat wrote: Hey folks. Another department has a Cisco CWDM-mux-8 running on a link out to a secondary site. What do we need to utilize this for our own link - will any SFP be able to transmit through it and come out the other end appropriately? No, you need CWDM SFPs in the right wavelengths, standard non-colored optics will not work. See the list in Table 3 here: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/interfaces-modules/cwdm-transceiver-modules/product_data_sheet09186a00801a557c.html You don't need to use a Cisco-branded SFP, any with the right wavelengths will work. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT Who's in charge?
On 1/29/15 5:37 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I emailed Sterling off-list with details. The concise answer here (cough, cough) is that it does take a lot to get things setup on Amazon. Their ecosphere is complex and requires an investment of time and commitment to see it through and get past the conceptual hurdles. You really need to learn their API to do things right. In the end, we have a very solid platform, reliable mail delivery without server blocks etc. Except the headers still being screwy which breaks threading. Yes, I know, everyone that uses dumb threading based on subject doesn't seen this and praise be to Amazon. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cad welding expert advice needed :)
On 3/23/15 14:29, Eric Rogers wrote: DO NOT DO THIS!!! You have a tensioned wire, say thousands of pounds… and you heat it to molten state to “weld” the bonding wire to it… You effectively cut the wire and down the tower goes. If anyone decides to weld on a guy wire under tension please upload it to Youtube. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Something New and Exciting!
I could use this in the very near future. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Media converter - store and forward or pass-through
Speaking of media converters, has anyone used the Mikrotik RBFTC11 yet? It appears dead simple: copper GigE (passive POE or 802.3af/at) to SFP with no config. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina power
On 4/28/15 5:57 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: I heard the first generation ubnt toughcable had about that failure rate? The lesson is if the product is named tough it will be exactly the opposite. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina power
On 4/28/15 14:38, Josh Luthman wrote: The CFIP Lumina accepts both polarities from what I'm told. I have only ever done it one way. Page 120 in the manual. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Oh Thermal Camera Muse hear me my plea!
On 4/27/15 15:26, Jaime Solorza wrote: What's up hepcats? Can someone please point to an affordable (under $2000.00) thermal camera to be set up on a barricade system that comes from ground level to stop a car. Most I haves seen are overkill and in the 5 to 20 k range. Like a surveillance camera? An AXIS Q1910-E is around $3k. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cellphones
On 4/30/15 13:57, Sean Heskett wrote: so now we reimburse the employees that use their phone for their job function. i think we do $60/mo. that way they can get whatever phone they want and data plan etc. and i don't have to deal with i broke my screen...can i get a new phone now? they just figure it out on their own :-) I like the flip phone of shame method. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] This is going to make a great UPS
On 5/1/15 10:38, Bill Prince wrote: I would want to run it DC, but it ain't bad. We're paying in the neighborhood of $1500 for about 5KWh with SLA batteries, so this would be a serious consideration. Actually it is DC, says inverter not included. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Looks like a great deal on a backup gen
On 4/28/15 9:21, Ken Hohhof wrote: I also find it interesting that this generator has a 12VDC output, which I usually associate with inverter style generators. Those little pick-up portable Coleman Powermate generators had 12V outputs since a long time ago. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Looks like a great deal on a backup gen
On 4/28/15 8:40, Ty Featherling wrote: Is there any concern about sine vs square wave output on something like this? I want to get one but don't want to run into a gotcha I am unfamiliar with. It looks like an alternator. Is it even possible for a rotating alternator to output a square wave? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] another grounding scenario ??
On 5/6/15 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Earth ground circuits are also important to allow circuit breakers to trip as soon as a fault happens. Again, low impedance ground circuits help with that. I would drive ground rods. But I would also make sure that the neutral bars are floating and not bonded. That would prevent ground loops for the normal power currents. With pictures: https://www.mikeholt.com/instructor2/img/product/pdf/1292432628sample.pdf ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac
On 5/7/15 9:49 PM, Jeremy wrote: Just tell him that your Internet will energize his seventh chakra, thereby counteracting the retrograde of mercury. Also, it will make his aura glow light blue. Not blues screen of death bluedon't get those confused. Sounds like Cherenkov radiation to me. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] More APC faults
On 5/3/15 11:55, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: Hey, stop pickin on me! Screw you guys I'm going.. wait, I'm already home. On 5/3/2015 11:02 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 5/3/15 8:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote: DC dude. DC. Or at least don't pick the lowest quality AC UPS money can buy. APC hasn't exactly been known for quality in a while now. ~Seth Actually I should amend that; the metal case Back-UPS of old did not suck like today's plastic cased versions. I still have some of the metal ones alive and kicking. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] More APC faults
On 5/3/15 8:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote: DC dude. DC. Or at least don't pick the lowest quality AC UPS money can buy. APC hasn't exactly been known for quality in a while now. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Customers And Zodiac
On 5/7/15 10:16, Nate Burke wrote: I'm not sure. He want's the Internet, but was very matter of Fact that it can't be done until Mercury is out of Retrograde. Not sure what he does during that time. He can't watch netflix, because he doesn't have internet yet It's probably too dangerous to do much of anything during that time. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Amazon EC2
On 4/14/15 8:46, Bill Prince wrote: That's what we did. Got him on the phone blocked the traffic. His security system went nuts. Wonder what's so important to need to send that quantity of data for a security system? Video capability? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
On 4/18/15 2:49 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: Very interesting shootout comparing AF5X, AC-Lite, AC PTP, EPMP-1000, B5c and RB922 https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Radio-Shootout-Pt-2-let-s-try-a-whole-bunch-of-them/cns-p/1232309 Dude didn't seem to catch that the ePMP is an N radio and dismisses it as worst of the worst. Looks to me like it would probably hold up comparably to its AC counterparts if you take that into consideration. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
On 4/18/15 3:34 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Horseshit, read the article. Did you miss the portion where Jim said it's the exact same chip that's in the RM5? I would have liked to have seen the RM5 in this test as a baseline, but ignoring the results simply because it's N tech in the EPMP is silly. Not only does the throughput drop, but the LEVEL it degrades at is only bested by the B5C in a few of the tests. N or not, that's a very poor result. I would love to see other tests posted on this from other people, its always nice to have multiple sources to remove any potential level of bias. Jim did an excellent job on this and should be commended. I read it and that's how it came across to me. There shouldn't be any surprise about the ePMP throughput compared across the board. The only surprise I see is how the Mimosa compared. But I have no horse in this race. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT AF5X snmpwalk?
On 4/7/15 5:43 PM, e...@kuhnke-international.com wrote: Ben, Chuck, do you guys have a numeric snmpwalk of an af5x live link you could copy and paste to the list? I'd like to see what OIDs it exposes and their values. If you have a text file describing what each OID is, that would be great too. Isn't that what a MIB is for? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a politician. And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] More Grounding stuff
On 6/8/15 14:57, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm at a site where two towers are about 250' apart. There's a 2 conduit between the two towers, with nothing in it but a fiber optic cable. My tower does not have a generator, but the other one does. The guy at the other tower offered to let me run electric off of a breaker on his transfer panel so I could have a generator protected circuit. This sounds great in theory, but I have a bad feeling about it because (obviously) we have two separate electric services now and two separate grounding systems. Put an isolation transformer on it. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
On 6/2/15 15:41, Ken Hohhof wrote: Just make sure it isn’t a faux parapet, just for show or to hide the ugly stuff on the roof. Attaching part of a 6' antenna to it will surely give you that answer, too. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Email blocked because of Client IP, not Server IP
On 6/2/15 14:32, Nate Burke wrote: I have a customer complaining about barracuda rejecting emails he is sending because of a 'reputation' problem. But the IP Address they reference is the end user's IP, not the server IP. Shouldn't the reputation be based on the Mail server, not where the mailserver had sourced the email from? Is this a setting in Barracuda? I don't see any other rejections from barracuda appliances except to this one domain. Yeah it's called deep scanning or deep header checking something like that. It makes it check all IP addresses in all the headers, not just the connecting server's IP. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Data center bandwidth
On 6/24/15 6:41 AM, joseph marsh wrote: I have spoken to them and they are carrier neutral just wondering about attaching a ptp radio in top of building to. Why not ask them? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] is 172 address an real world ip?
On 6/18/15 9:17, Tim Reichhart wrote: Hey guys Frontier as given me an 172.76.3.xx public static IP and I just want to know if this actually an real IP or just an internal IP? Because the person I am working with from frontier saying its an public static IP. Because I though 172.x space is for internal setup only. 172.16.0.0/12 is 1918 space. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 10GHz question
On 6/11/15 11:23, Lewis Bergman wrote: I thought 10GHz was an MSA type license that has to be paid for. No, it's for hams in FCC land. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Crown Castle - Propagation Testing
On 6/16/15 14:29, Randy Cosby wrote: We're looking to build a tower that is near an existing Crown Castle (formerly ATT) tower. The landlord, a city, has a contract with Crown Castle that states in part: /Landlord agrees not to sell, lease or use any areas of the Property or immediately Surrounding Property for the installation, operation or maintenance of other wireless communications facilities if such installation, operation or maintenance would interfere with Tenant’s Permitted Use or communications equipment as determined by radio propagation tests performed by Tenant in its sole discretion, any such testing to be at the expense of Landlord or Landlord’s prospective purchaser and not Tenant. /Crown Castle suggested that the city have us do the study directly using a third party, Waterford Consultants. What's involved in a study like this? Is there anything we can do ourselves? Find out how far away you need to be to not have to do that. It sounds like Crown will be a bad neighbor with that clause. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cisco pissing me off
On 6/13/15 15:49, Sean Heskett wrote: Why on earth would you use a Cisco anything when they hate WISPs We have completely removed all Cisco from our network Because Cisco is not one big company, it only appears that way. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter
On 6/13/15 10:12, Colin Stanners wrote: As long as tangible goods and services are still being created/offered, by humans, in the place they live. http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/10051/Panasonic-has-a-factory-staffed-with-only-15-people-that-can-make-2-million-plasma-displays-per-month-ab637-1 Some of those people probably only have jobs because there aren't robots to maintain the robots. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote: Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Why hide your prefix count? Who cares what the prefixes are in individual IP addresses. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote: No, but you are responsible to ensure that you purchase connectivity from people that don't suck. I have. How do I ensure other companies don't have connectivity problems? That their cloud hosted app doesn't have an outage? Oh wait the cloud never fails, silly me. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
On 6/1/15 8:33, Mike Hammett wrote: I think most people's problems with speedtests are due to the quality of the network they are providing. A shitty speedtest usually means the user's experience is shit as well. No, they will often try to find a shitty speedtest server and use that to complain. Just recently a customer has some cloud hosted whatever that was slow so their support found a speedtest that reported 0.4 meg for the purpose of shifting the blame. Customer admitted they had them try around to find the worst one. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
On 6/1/15 8:41, Mike Hammett wrote: Your responsibility is also to provide quality Internet service, the whole Internet. Your choices up upstreams, peers, etc. affect the quality of the product you deliver. It's not just hands-off once the packet leaves your upstream port. That's an insultingly dumb statement. I'm not responsible for some random app provider having a failure or someone running an overloaded speedtest server. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On 6/1/15 12:00, Paul Stewart wrote: Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. I'd expect that's where a Private VLAN would come into play. It's still pure layer 2. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] good cheap media converter
On 7/3/15 8:03 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: That was my first thought. You won't get the extended operating temperature on a media converter for as cheap as the 260GS. Isn't RBFTC11 cheaper? No management though, just a raw gigabit converter. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 44.0.0.0/8
On 6/30/15 9:28 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Doesn't Ford and Daimler have a /8? The DoD has something like 12 of the /8's alone. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Route Control solutions
On 8/12/15 7:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: My view would be if someone is filtering legitimate /24 routes, they have serious problems they need to fix. At one time maybe a small provider could plead old hardware with insufficient CAM memory to hold full BGP routes, but if they haven’t fixed it by now, screw ‘em. Most common is filtering more specifics of a larger announcement. So if you break your /22 into /24's expect that a non-zero number of people will ignore the /24's and continue to favor the /22. Also known as stuffing the routing table with deaggregate /24's is not reason for someone else to buy new hardware. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] What to do when the Internet is down...
On 8/17/15 11:07, Chuck McCown wrote: Crossbow or long bow arrow pulling fishing line could mess them up. Release some barrage balloons. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] medium blow fuses
On 8/19/15 10:51, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I was just wondering if the medium blow fuses had their place. Some distributors like Allied don’t even have them in their catalog, so I guess they are a rare bird. Allied has them; Buss GMC series. http://www.alliedelec.com/bussmann-by-eaton-gmc-4-r/70149513/ GMA is fast acting, GMC is medium time delay, and GMD is time delay. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] proper pronunciation of Roku
On 8/21/15 16:34, Glen Waldrop wrote: Roku, like Goku, only not as powerful or Japanese. Power level under 9000. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cisco buying Opendns
On 6/30/15 8:03, Rory McCann wrote: I fully expect them to ruin it by raising the rates to a more cisco. I'm very disappointed in this news. Their Umbrella platform is a great product and was reasonably priced. But isn't this the whole point of a lot of these things, become popular so a large company will buy it? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Lightning hits all kinds of antennas
On 7/31/15 06:24, Josh Luthman wrote: http://imgur.com/4p8p45o Good to see all of the BTTF references were covered. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT- Imagine, an FM reciever you can fit in your shirt pocket!
On 7/31/15 12:57, Jaime Solorza wrote: And ? I must have missed something Sprint LTE may suck less than pre-LTE Sprint, which was totally unusable for me to the point where I was carrying a Verizon wifi thing in my pocket to get mobile data capability. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Solar payback
On 8/11/15 08:36, Josh Luthman wrote: So you spent 10k on panels? What about batteries? If you're net metering you wouldn't want to waste it charging batteries. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] How much to pay for a small repeater site?
On 8/4/15 14:20, Josh Luthman wrote: Why are they unplugging the AP? To make you pay attention to them. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] ToughSwitch 8 PRO
On 8/8/15 11:51 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: I think Netonix is way over priced, and it's not yet proven. Still, I just ordered a couple and I'm excited to give them a test run. I'm also interested to see what they have coming for the tower switch advertised on their website. If you're happy with the TS8 pricing then keep buying that. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber X
On 8/10/15 16:31, Josh Luthman wrote: RIP 2 GHZ band. Thanks to Ubnt we have kids putting up 50 MHz backhauls because it penetrates better. And 3GHz users. Will Telrad have enough magic to overcome a cheap UBNT noise generator? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] DC POE Switches
On 7/23/15 06:13, Mike Hammett wrote: Cisco hates WISPs and there are multiple vendors of higher end gear that haven't gone out of their way to crap on us. Juniper, AlcaLuKia, Brocade, etc. I recently got a nice Nexus 3548P-10G with licenses donated from Cisco for an IX that supports multiple WISPs, so it wouldn't be correct to generalize like that. You could say their wireless BU hates WISPs while the other BU's are fine with anyone. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] DC POE Switches
On 7/23/15 08:50, Mike Hammett wrote: It's the same guy at the top. If he can't keep their divisions nice, then your dollars go elsewhere. Were the 3ks the one that supported S-Flow for IXP Manager? Tahoe_IX, right? Yep. I haven't deployed it yet, it's sitting in the to be worked on never ending pile of stuff. I don't even know what version of NX-OS is on it but I'm pretty sure the 3000 series supports sFlow. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers
On 7/14/15 7:52, Sean Heskett wrote: For us that is a safety issue and if the guy doing the work feels like it's an unsafe condition then the work stops. Same as if it's too windy to climb a tower or too cold in the winter. My guys aren't wimps tho and they'll usually keep going past when I think it's safe and tell them to quit working. If it's too hot then adjust their schedules to start earlier if you need to and quit earlier. No need to die for the freakin interwebs...Facebook can wait. I've done all day work on rooftops in 105 degree heat. Where people go wrong is failing to stay hydrated by thinking a soda at lunch is good enough. And working at a steady pace, not running around like a moron as fast as possible. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Purewave 365
On 7/15/15 12:27, James Howard wrote: So you�re telling us that aside from being obsessive they also like REALLY expensive roofs? I get that the attraction is you can have water pond in them and it won't leak, but they are really fragile for the price. I frequently see them riddled with tiny holes. I'm in the process of getting a bunch of drycoolers installed on my roof and everyone involved was thrilled to hear that stuff wasn't up there. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT
On 7/12/15 19:26, Ken Hohhof wrote: Well, look at airline tickets. They raced to the bottom and didn’t like it there. Maybe it will eventually implode from being too cheap. I would expect some monetary amount has to be paid for transit. ~Seth
