Re: [agi] Cog Sci Experiment
Mike, If you are interested in this line of inquiry, maybe we could devise some on-line experimentation in the line of the ESP Game to find out if any common patterning really takes place. We would need some working hypothesis. My guess is that socio-cultural factors, like native language, play a more significant role in the emergence of common patterning, if it take place, than some fundamental property of memory organization. So demographic information would be needed o verify this possibility. The goal of the game should be carefully thought out, though. The difference between "naming the first thing to come to your mind" and "trying to match someone else choice" certainly would affect the result of the experiment. []'s Acilio On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Acilio, > > Yes I'd checked on mentalism. And I take all your points. But that there is > any shared culture here suggests that there must be some substance to the > claims, which of course would need scientific investigation, if none has > been done already. > > I find this stuff exciting precisely because a large part of scientific > discovery is finding clues - and often in unusual places. Darwin, for > example, looked to the scientifically unusual area of breeding for clues > about evolution. Mentalism may offer valid clues here. *If* there are common > patterns of association, then they should reveal something about the > organization of memory. > > > Mike, > > Just some clarification. When a mention "mentalism" i refer to the > performing arts, not the brach of psychologic studies. > > The known facts I mentioned are found in the mentalist literature and > confirmed only by the experience of the mentalists and magicians of > that community. Often they claim to base their acts on scientific > studies but fail to present any bibliografical reference. As I've > never been able to track down a single controlled study to confirm > these claims, I deem any number (usually very high) they give to be > bogus ;) Also those tricks usually are not presented in the crude form > as on the video. A good performer usually have a fallback plan for > when the averaging fails. > > My reply just a attempt to alert you that most of those tricks are > based on chance and that I think it isn't a good idea to base > discussions on properties of mind on them. Of course, it could inspire > some controlled experimentation on association. > > -- > []´s > Acilio. > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Acilio, >> >> Many thanks for a v. informative reply. But as you indicate it's why >> people >> have these associations that is the most interesting part. (Do you BTW >> have >> or know of any percentages attached to these strongest associations?) >> >> All of this is interesting because it begs fundamental questions about how >> memory/information is organized in the brain, and recalled. These common >> associations seem to me to present tantalising clues. >> >> With "animal...in jungle" - "lion" seems to me likely to come up because >> probably the most *frequently* associated animal. >> >> But I'm not sure whether that applies to the rest. I wouldn't imagine >> "carrot" to be the most commonly mentioned vegetable. >> >> One possibility that occurs is that carrot and celery may be the simplest >> *shaped* veg. >> >> Perhaps "7" is the most common single digit, because it's the emotionally >> *favourite* number. >> >> But I wouldn't imagine again that "37" fits any of the above criteria. >> >> Are there any speculations or theories about this, and does anyone have >> alternative ideas here? >> >> >> Acilio: >> >> >>> My question is: how do they know your vegetable association? >> >> And if I told you that if you didn't answer "CARROT", odds are you >> choose "CELERY"? >> >> Associating the result experiment with the math questions is the only >> association taking place here. It's caused by the distracting >> suggestion on the title ""Freaky Math Trick". >> >> What is going on is averaging. It's a well kown fact used in the >> mentalism community that most english speaking people when asked to >> the first thing that comes into their mind when you say; 'vegetable' >> will say 'carrot', if not they will say 'celery'. >> These are other known facts: >> - when asked to name a single digit number, most peoplewill pick 7. >> - when asked to name a 2 digit odd number under 50, with no two digits >> the same, most people will pick 37. >> - when asked to pick a 2 digit even number between 50 and 99, with no >> two digits the same,most people will pick 68. >> >> Try this experiment: repeat the same procedure of the video, but >> instead of asking for a vegetable, ask for an 'an animal that lives in >> the jungle'. Most people will answer 'Lion' even though lions don't >> live in the jungle. >> >> The sequence math questions are used just to habituate people to a >> simple pattern questions,
Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness
Ego death! This is not as pernicious as it sounds. The death/rebirth trial is a standby of the psilocybin excursion. One realizes one's self has vanished and is reincarnated into all the strangeness of life on earth as if being born. Very much an experience of the physical vessel being re-filled with new spirit stuff, some new soul overly given to wonder at it all. A sensation at the heart of most tryptamine raptures, I think... certainly more overlaid with alien imagery when induced by say psilocin than say, five methoxy dmt. But with almost all the tryptamine/indole hallucinogens this experience of "user reboot" is often there As if the user, not the machine, is rebooting. Worthy, but outside list scope ._. On 11/23/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben, > > > > I googled "ego loss" and found a lot of first person accounts of various > experiences. From an AGI/brain science standpoint they were quite > interesting, but I can see why you might not want such account to be on this > list, other than perhaps if they were copied from other sites, and > accompanied by third party deconstruction from a brain science or AGI > standpoint. > > > > In fact, some of the account were disturbing, and were actually written to > be cautionary tails. Some of these accounts described "ego death. " Ego > death appears to me to be quite distinct from what I had thought of as ego > loss, because it appears to be associated with a sense of fearing death > (which presumably one would not do if one had lost one's ego), which in some > instances occurred after, or intermitantly with, periods of having sensed a > lost of ego, and was associated with a feat that one was permanently loosing > that sense of self that would be necessary for normal human existence. > Several people reported having disturbing repercussions from such trips for > months or longer. > > > > But some of the people who reported ego loss said they felt it was a > valuable experience. > > > > I forget exactly what various entheogens are supposed to do the brain, from > a measurable brain science standpoint, but several of the subjective > accounts by people claiming to have taken very strong dosages of entheogens > described experiences that would be compatable with loss of normal brain > control mechanism to maintain their normal control, or perhaps any control > at all. Perhaps this is because overall activation is occurring at such a > high rate that it cannot be properly controlled, or perhap because the > control mechanisms themselves are being interfered with. > > > > Several of the descriptions of ego loss, particularly those associated with > less extreme dosages, did not seem that dissimilar in kind, but probably > quite dissimilar in degree, from the minor types of ego loss I have > experience briefly while trying to experientially be one with my > surroundings, or when doing breathing meditation, without the aid of illegal > substances. > > > > Ed Porter > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 7:46 PM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > > > > I don't feel motivated to kill this thread in my role as list > > moderator, and I agree that what's on or off topic is fairly fuzzy ... > > but I just have a sense that discussions of various varieties of > > drug-induced (or otherwise induced) states of exalted consciousness is > > a bit off-topic for an AGI list ... anyway I don't feel it quite right > > to share my own experiences in this regard in this forum ;-) > > > > Ben G > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ben, > >> > >> > >> > >> It's your list, so you get to decide what is off topic. > >> > >> > >> > >> Are you implying all discussion of subjectively describable aspect of > human > >> conscious experience is off topic? > >> > >> > >> > >> At least in my own experience, thinking about introspective subjective > >> experiences has played a major role in my thinking about AGI. Thus, I > tend > >> to have a bias toward thinking discussions of such thinking are relevant > to > >> AGI. > >> > >> > >> > >> If p-consciousness, such as discussed in Richard's paper, is relevant to > >> AGI, then why isn't a-consciousness? > >> > >> > >> > >> Or, perhaps, your implication about what is off topic was more narrow? > >> > >> > >> > >> That is what I assumed, and that is why, in the post you responding to > >> below, I was asking if there were any describable non-entheogenic aspects > of > >> the ego-loss experience, other than what I had already described. > >> > >> > >> > >> Ed Porter > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:04 PM > >> To: agi@v2.listbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem
Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness
I don't feel motivated to kill this thread in my role as list moderator, and I agree that what's on or off topic is fairly fuzzy ... but I just have a sense that discussions of various varieties of drug-induced (or otherwise induced) states of exalted consciousness is a bit off-topic for an AGI list ... anyway I don't feel it quite right to share my own experiences in this regard in this forum ;-) Ben G On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben, > > > > It's your list, so you get to decide what is off topic. > > > > Are you implying all discussion of subjectively describable aspect of human > conscious experience is off topic? > > > > At least in my own experience, thinking about introspective subjective > experiences has played a major role in my thinking about AGI. Thus, I tend > to have a bias toward thinking discussions of such thinking are relevant to > AGI. > > > > If p-consciousness, such as discussed in Richard's paper, is relevant to > AGI, then why isn't a-consciousness? > > > > Or, perhaps, your implication about what is off topic was more narrow? > > > > That is what I assumed, and that is why, in the post you responding to > below, I was asking if there were any describable non-entheogenic aspects of > the ego-loss experience, other than what I had already described. > > > > Ed Porter > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:04 PM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > > > > Goodness.. I feel like > > > > a) it is mighty hard to draw distinctions about these kinds of > > experiences in ordinary, informal language... > > > > b) this is kinda off topic for the list ;-) > > > > ben > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Eric, > >> > >> > >> > >> If, as your post below implies, you have experienced "ego loss," --- >> please > >> tell me --- how, if at all, was it different than the sense of oneness >> with > >> the surround world that I described in my post of Fri 11/21/2008 8:02 PM > >> which started this named thread. > >> > >> > >> > >> That is, how was it different than merely having, for an extended period >> of > >> time, a oneness with sensual experience of the computational richness of > >> external reality around (or perhaps of just ones breathing and feelings it > >> engenders) --- a oneness uninterrupted by awareness of oneself as a > >> something separate from such sensations or by the chattering of the >> chatbot > >> most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects >> on > >> sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being > >> entheogenned. > >> > >> > >> > >> Ed Porter > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:40 AM > >> To: agi@v2.listbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > >> consciousness > >> > >> > >> > >> Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or > >> > >> psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much > >> > >> background > >> > >> > >> > >> On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Ben, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> "Entheogens!" > >> > >>> > >> > >>> What a great word/euphemism. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > >> > >>> "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the >>> plague, > >> > >>> except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > >> > >>> proper pronunciations. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local > >>> Unitarian > >> > >>> Church. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Ed Porter > >> > >>> > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >> > >>> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > >> > >>> To: agi@v2.listbox.com > >> > >>> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > >> > >>> consciousness > >> > >>> > >> > When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the > >> > heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic > >> > oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 > >> > micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I > >> > ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved > >> > temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. > >> > > >> > Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined > >> > meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic > >> > consciou
RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness
Ben, It's your list, so you get to decide what is off topic. Are you implying all discussion of subjectively describable aspect of human conscious experience is off topic? At least in my own experience, thinking about introspective subjective experiences has played a major role in my thinking about AGI. Thus, I tend to have a bias toward thinking discussions of such thinking are relevant to AGI. If p-consciousness, such as discussed in Richard's paper, is relevant to AGI, then why isn't a-consciousness? Or, perhaps, your implication about what is off topic was more narrow? That is what I assumed, and that is why, in the post you responding to below, I was asking if there were any describable non-entheogenic aspects of the ego-loss experience, other than what I had already described. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 4:04 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness Goodness.. I feel like a) it is mighty hard to draw distinctions about these kinds of experiences in ordinary, informal language... b) this is kinda off topic for the list ;-) ben On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric, > > > > If, as your post below implies, you have experienced "ego loss," --- please > tell me --- how, if at all, was it different than the sense of oneness with > the surround world that I described in my post of Fri 11/21/2008 8:02 PM > which started this named thread. > > > > That is, how was it different than merely having, for an extended period of > time, a oneness with sensual experience of the computational richness of > external reality around (or perhaps of just ones breathing and feelings it > engenders) --- a oneness uninterrupted by awareness of oneself as a > something separate from such sensations or by the chattering of the chatbot > most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects on > sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being > entheogenned. > > > > Ed Porter > > > > -Original Message- > From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:40 AM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > > > > Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or > > psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much > > background > > > > On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ben, > >> > >> "Entheogens!" > >> > >> What a great word/euphemism. > >> > >> Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > >> "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the plague, > >> except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > >> > >> What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > >> proper pronunciations. > >> > >> It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local >> Unitarian > >> Church. > >> > >> Ed Porter > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > >> To: agi@v2.listbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > >> consciousness > >> > >>> When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the > >>> heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic > >>> oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 > >>> micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I > >>> ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved > >>> temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. > >>> > >>> Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined > >>> meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic > >>> consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to > >> you. > >> > >> Not a great topic for public mailing list discussion but .. uh .. yah . > >> > >> But it's not really so much about the dosage ... entheogens are tools > >> and it's all about what you do with them ;-) > >> > >> ben > >> > >> > >> --- > >> agi > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > >> Modify Your Subscription: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> > >> > > > > > agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Direc
Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness
Goodness.. I feel like a) it is mighty hard to draw distinctions about these kinds of experiences in ordinary, informal language... b) this is kinda off topic for the list ;-) ben On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric, > > > > If, as your post below implies, you have experienced "ego loss," --- please > tell me --- how, if at all, was it different than the sense of oneness with > the surround world that I described in my post of Fri 11/21/2008 8:02 PM > which started this named thread. > > > > That is, how was it different than merely having, for an extended period of > time, a oneness with sensual experience of the computational richness of > external reality around (or perhaps of just ones breathing and feelings it > engenders) --- a oneness uninterrupted by awareness of oneself as a > something separate from such sensations or by the chattering of the chatbot > most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects on > sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being > entheogenned. > > > > Ed Porter > > > > -Original Message- > From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:40 AM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > > > > Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or > > psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much > > background > > > > On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ben, > >> > >> "Entheogens!" > >> > >> What a great word/euphemism. > >> > >> Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > >> "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the plague, > >> except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > >> > >> What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > >> proper pronunciations. > >> > >> It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local >> Unitarian > >> Church. > >> > >> Ed Porter > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > >> To: agi@v2.listbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > >> consciousness > >> > >>> When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the > >>> heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic > >>> oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 > >>> micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I > >>> ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved > >>> temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. > >>> > >>> Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined > >>> meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic > >>> consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to > >> you. > >> > >> Not a great topic for public mailing list discussion but .. uh .. yah .. > >> > >> But it's not really so much about the dosage ... entheogens are tools > >> and it's all about what you do with them ;-) > >> > >> ben > >> > >> > >> --- > >> agi > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > >> Modify Your Subscription: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> > >> > > > > > agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind." -- Sir Winston Churchill --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
RE: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness
Eric, If, as your post below implies, you have experienced "ego loss," --- please tell me --- how, if at all, was it different than the sense of oneness with the surround world that I described in my post of Fri 11/21/2008 8:02 PM which started this named thread. That is, how was it different than merely having, for an extended period of time, a oneness with sensual experience of the computational richness of external reality around (or perhaps of just ones breathing and feelings it engenders) --- a oneness uninterrupted by awareness of oneself as a something separate from such sensations or by the chattering of the chatbot most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects on sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being entheogenned. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:40 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much background On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben, > > "Entheogens!" > > What a great word/euphemism. > > Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the plague, > except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > > What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > proper pronunciations. > > It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local Unitarian > Church. > > Ed Porter > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > >> When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the >> heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic >> oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 >> micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I >> ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved >> temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. >> >> Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined >> meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic >> consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to > you. > > Not a great topic for public mailing list discussion but ... uh ... yah .. > > But it's not really so much about the dosage ... entheogens are tools > and it's all about what you do with them ;-) > > ben > > > --- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness
Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much background On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ben, > > "Entheogens!" > > What a great word/euphemism. > > Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the plague, > except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > > What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > proper pronunciations. > > It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local Unitarian > Church. > > Ed Porter > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > >> When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the >> heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic >> oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 >> micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I >> ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved >> temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. >> >> Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined >> meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic >> consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to > you. > > Not a great topic for public mailing list discussion but ... uh ... yah .. > > But it's not really so much about the dosage ... entheogens are tools > and it's all about what you do with them ;-) > > ben > > > --- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > --- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
