Re: [agi] TOE -- US PATENT ISSUED for the TEN ETHICAL LAWS OF ROBOTICS
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Mike Archbold wrote: It seems to me like to be real AGI you have skipped over the parts of Aristotle more applicable to AGI, like his metaphysics and logic. For example in the metaphysics he talks about beginning and end, causes, continuous/discrete, and this type of thing. At first glance it looks like your invention starts with ethics; why not build atop a metaphysics base? I'm not going to pass a judgement on your work but it seems like it's not going over well here with the crowd that has dealt with patent law. From my perspective I guess I don't like the idea of patenting some automation of Aristotle unless it was in a kind of production-ready state (ie., beyond mere concept stage). His invention is ethics, because that's what his field of work is. See his list of books here: http://www.allbookstores.com/author/John_E_Lamuth.html * A Diagnostic Classification of the Emotions : A Three-digit Coding System for Affective Language by Jay D. Edwards (Illustrator), John E. Lamuth April 2005, Paperback List Price: $34.95 * Character Values : Promoting a Virtuous Lifestyle cover Character Values : Promoting a Virtuous Lifestyle by Jay D. Edwards (Illustrator), John E. Lamuth (Editor) April 2005, Paperback List Price: $28.95 * Communication Breakdown : Decoding The Riddle Of Mental Illness by Jay D. Edwards (Introduction by), John E. Lamuth (Editor) June 2004, Paperback List Price: $28.95 * A Revolution in Family Values : Tradition Vs. Technology by Jay D. Edwards (Illustrator), John E. Lamuth April 2002, Paperback List Price: $19.95 * A Revolution in Family Values : Spirituality for a New Millennium by John E. Lamuth March 2001, Hardcover List Price: $24.95 * The Ultimate Guide to Family Values : A Grand Unified Theory of Ethics and Morality by John E. Lamuth September 1999, Hardcover List Price: $19.95 and his author profile here: http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/Contact_Fairhaven_Books.html Biography John E. LaMuth is a 52 year-old counselor and author, native to the Southern California area. Credentials include a Bachelor of Science Degree in Biological Sciences from University of California, Irvine: followed by a Master of Science Degree in Counseling from California State University, Fullerton; with an emphasis in Marriage, Family, and Child Counseling. John is currently engaged in private practice in Divorce and Family Mediation Counseling in the San Bernardino County area - JLM Mediation Service - Lucerne Valley, CA 92356 USA. John also serves as an Adjunct Faculty Member at Victor Valley College, Victorville, CA. BillK --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] TOE -- US PATENT ISSUED for the TEN ETHICAL LAWS OF ROBOTICS
John LaMuth wrote: Yes, this is extensively based on Aristotle's Golden Mean The input-output flowchart is shown appended below... The details are described at http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/specs.html (the last half) This is the real deal the ultimate TOE of friendly AI communication So it is a theory of everything, now? Yesterday it was just a patent. In fact, it is content-free nonsense. I could give you a box-and-arrow diagram describing the entire universe at the same superficial level of detail ... would that mean I was God? And would the USPTO then grant me a patent for System and Method for Managing All of Creation? You do not show the slightest sign of understanding how to build an AGI that behaves in a friendly way, or indeed in any other way. There is no mechanism in your patent. All you have done is write some Articles of Good Behavior that the AGI is supposed to keep on the back of its bedroom door and commit to memory while it is growing up. Richard Loosemore *** John replies Richard Yes - I consider the content of my patents as a TOE (restricted to the domain of emotionally-charged language) as diagrammed at: http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/Masterdiagram.html Virtually every category of affective language (from Rogets Thesaurus) is represented To the great advantage of all-inclusiveness... JLM www.charactervalues.org --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] TOE -- US PATENT ISSUED for the TEN ETHICAL LAWS OF ROBOTICS
Mike Yes, this is extensively based on Aristotle's Golden Mean The input-output flowchart is shown appended below... The details are described at http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/specs.html (the last half) This is the real deal the ultimate TOE of friendly AI communication John, It seems to me like to be real AGI you have skipped over the parts of Aristotle more applicable to AGI, like his metaphysics and logic. For example in the metaphysics he talks about beginning and end, causes, continuous/discrete, and this type of thing. At first glance it looks like your invention starts with ethics; why not build atop a metaphysics base? I'm not going to pass a judgement on your work but it seems like it's not going over well here with the crowd that has dealt with patent law. From my perspective I guess I don't like the idea of patenting some automation of Aristotle unless it was in a kind of production-ready state (ie., beyond mere concept stage). MIke http://www.listbox.com John replies Aristotle's Metaphysics is 2500 years out of date (unlike his ethics) He thought the brain operated as a Radiator !! I do incorporate his principles of Inductive Inference within the title of my patent But philosophy is a shaky foundation, so I rather substitute the Science of Behaviorism as my primary foundation as described at http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/behaviorism.html Through these instinctual principles of operant conditioning, it even proves possible to extend and establish links to the physical realm (the neural organization of the brain) see http://www.forebrain.org Hope this helps John L --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
Re: [agi] TOE -- US PATENT ISSUED for the TEN ETHICAL LAWS OF ROBOTICS
- Original Message - From: Mike Archbold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [agi] US PATENT ISSUED for the TEN ETHICAL LAWS OF ROBOTICS It looks to me to be borrowed from Aristotle's ethics. Back in my college days, I was trying to explain my project and the professor kept interrupting me to ask: What does it do? Tell me what it does. I don't understand what your system does. What he wanted was input-function-output. He didn't care about my fancy data structure or architecture goals, he just wanted to know what it DID. Mike Archbold ## Mike Yes, this is extensively based on Aristotle's Golden Mean The input-output flowchart is shown appended below... The details are described at http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/specs.html (the last half) This is the real deal the ultimate TOE of friendly AI communication John, It seems to me like to be real AGI you have skipped over the parts of Aristotle more applicable to AGI, like his metaphysics and logic. For example in the metaphysics he talks about beginning and end, causes, continuous/discrete, and this type of thing. At first glance it looks like your invention starts with ethics; why not build atop a metaphysics base? I'm not going to pass a judgement on your work but it seems like it's not going over well here with the crowd that has dealt with patent law. From my perspective I guess I don't like the idea of patenting some automation of Aristotle unless it was in a kind of production-ready state (ie., beyond mere concept stage). MIke JLM http://www.ethicalvalues.com http://www.ethicalvalues.info http://www.emotionchip.net http://www.global-solutions.org http://www.world-peace.org http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/schematics.html http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/fairhaven/behaviorism.html http://www.forebrain.org http://www.charactervalues.com http://www.charactervalues.org http://www.charactervalues.net --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
