DIS: Proto-Contract: LoAFER second draft

2020-05-31 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
For this draft of this proto-contract, I only really improved the 
signaling bit. I still need a basic method of amending the contract, and 
I still think it would be fun to gamify it a but but I don't know how I 
want to do that just yet. Instead, for now, I just want to get a bit 
more feedback.


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League of Agorans Facilitating Effective Recordkeeping

Parties to this contract should attempt to help the officers of Agora in
their official duties by following the guidelines of this contract,
which are enumerated below:

1. Signaling: the act of placing in the subject text of a message to the
   effect of "[attn {Office}]" when actions taken in the message pertain
   directly to the mentioned office's duties or "[{Action}]" when
   rule-defined actions are taken that pertains to an officer's duties.

   Parties to this contract should signal their own messages. They
   should also, if a message that should be signaled lacks signaling,
   reply to that message, signaling their own message and stating that
   the quoted message contains actions that should be signaled.

   A list of actions that should be so signaled and the appropriate
   signals is included below, sorted by which office they are most
   pertinent to the duties of. If the specified action signal is already
   included in the subject of the message, players should signal the
   office instead.

   * ADoP
 * Initiation of, voting on, or declaring the winner of an election:
   [Election]

   * Arbitor
 * Calling and judging of CFJs: [CFJ]
 * Intendion to file and filing Motions to Reconsider: [Motion]
 * Intendion to enter and entering a judgement into Moot: [Moot]
 * Recusing oneself from a CFJ: [Recusal]

   * Herald
 * Performing Any action resulting in winning the game: [Victory]
 * Notices of Honour: [Notice of Honour] or [NoH]
 * Submission of a Thesis for peer-review: [Thesis]
 * Intention to award an Official Patent Title, as defined by Rule
   2581: [Official Patent Title]
 * Intention to award an Annual Award, as defined by Rule 2582:
   [Annual Award]
 * Suggestions for or intentions to award patent titles of any other
   type: [Patent Title]

   * Notary
 * Creation and destruction of pledges: [Pledge]
 * Creation and destruction of contracts: [Contract]
 * Any action defined or permitted by a contract: either that
   contract's full name or an easily identifiable part of that
   contract's name that cannot be confused with that of another
   existing contract.

   * Promotor
 * Submission and withdrawal of Proposals and intentions to flip the
   class of a proposal: [Proposal]

   * Referee
 * Pointing one's finger: [Finger Pointing] or [Pointing]

   * Registrar
 * Deregistration: [Deregistration]
 * Changing the master switch of a player:
   * If to Agora, [Zombification]
   * If to emself, [Unzombification]
 * Submission of a Canteus Cygneus, if to a public forum: [Canteus
   Cygneus]
 * Submitting a CFJ to the Referee: signal Referee

   * Rulekeepor
 * Cleaning: [Cleaning]

   * Tailor
 * Awarding a ribbon: [Ribbon]
 * Awarding oneself glitter: [Glitter]

   * All Offices
 * Transfer of an asset tracked by {Office}: signal {Office}

2. Respecting Drafts: the act of not performing actions that would cause
   an officer to be required to update already-published drafts.

   Parties to this contract should respect drafts except when urgent
   action is required and when the rules require them to take said
   actions.

[ TODO: Method to change contract ]
[ TODO: Gamify this a bit? Add contract asset rewards or other
incentives for being helpful? ]

--
Trigon


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral

2020-05-31 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

ah, got it :)

On 5/31/2020 8:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:

On 5/31/20 8:17 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

what's this? this is new since I last payed attention to Agora



If you earn a ribbon that you already own, then you can get (# of
players who do not own that ribbon) + 1 coins instead. See Rules 2438 +
2602 for the details.



Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral

2020-05-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/31/20 8:17 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> what's this? this is new since I last payed attention to Agora


If you earn a ribbon that you already own, then you can get (# of
players who do not own that ribbon) + 1 coins instead. See Rules 2438 +
2602 for the details.

-- 
Jason Cobb



DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral

2020-05-31 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

what's this? this is new since I last payed attention to Agora

On 5/31/2020 6:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official 
wrote:


 Weekly Glitter Rewards (May 24 - May 31)


 Glitter prices at start of week:

   Red  16 coinsViolet8 coins
   Orange   14 coinsIndigo   20 coins
   Green17 coinsPlatinum 14 coins
   Emerald  17 coinsLime 20 coins
   Cyan  9 coinsWhite17 coins
   Blue 12 coinsblacK16 coins
   Magenta   9 coinsgrAy  7 coins
   Ultraviolet   9 coinsTransparent  15 coins



 Glitter prices at end of week:

   Red  15 coinsViolet7 coins
   Orange   13 coinsIndigo   19 coins
   Green16 coinsPlatinum 13 coins
   Emerald  16 coinsLime 19 coins
   Cyan  8 coinsWhite16 coins
   Blue 11 coinsblacK15 coins
   Magenta   8 coinsgrAy  6 coins
   Ultraviolet   8 coinsTransparent  14 coins

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus



DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.4

2020-05-31 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion

i really like this idea!

On 5/30/2020 3:37 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:

Changes: Incorporated ais523's suggestions. Text and AI of a proposal are
explicitly protected from changes now, and used eir suggested "CAN... SHALL
NOT" phrasing for distributing proposals.

I submit the following proposal:
{

Title: Sets v1.4
Author: nch
Co-Authors: Trigon, Falsifian, PSS, Jason, Aris, G., ais523
AI: 3

Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "Cards & Sets" with the text:

   Cards are a type of currency with a corresponding Product.
   Products are also currencies. The types of Cards and their
   corresponding Products are:

   * Victory Cards and Victory Points.

   * Justice Cards and Blot-B-Gones

   * Legislative Cards and Pendants

   * Voting Cards and Extra Votes

   A player CAN pay a 'set' of X Cards of the same type to earn Y
   corresponding Products. The value of X determines the value of Y
   in the following ways:

   * 1 Card = 1 Product

   * 2 Cards = 3 Products

   * 3 Cards = 6 Products

   * 4 Cards = 10 Products

   A player CANNOT pay more than 4 Cards as one 'set'.

   Cards and Products are tracked by the Treasuror.

For each player that is not a zombie, grant em 1 card of each type.

[The core of this proposal. Collect cards to make the other assets.]

Amend rule 2499 "Welcome Packages" by replacing:

   When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins.

with:

   When a player receives a Welcome Package, e earns 10 coins and
   one of each type of Card defined in the rules.

[Simple Welcome package addition]

Amend rule 2483 "Economics" by removing the following line:

   A player CAN win the game by paying a fee of 1,000 Coins.

[Ultimately counter to an economy where we want constant trading and
asset movement.]

Enact a new Power=1 rule titled "VP Wins" with the following text:

   If a player has at least 20 more Victory Points than any other
   player, e CAN win by announcement. When a player wins this way,
   all Cards and all Products are destroyed. Then each non-zombie
   player is granted 1 card of each type.

[Exactly what it says on the tin.]

Amend rule 2555 "Blots" by replacing the following paragraph:

   If a person (the penitent) has neither gained blots nor had more
   than 2 blots expunged from emself in the current Agoran week, then
   any player (the confessor) who has not, by this mechanism,
   expunged any blots in the current Agoran week CAN expunge 1 blot
   from the penitent, by announcement.

with:

   Any player CAN expunge a blot from a specified person (or emself
   if no one is specified) by paying a fee of one Blot-B-Gone.

[Pretty straightforward, now you need to use Blot-B-Gones to get rid of
Blots (except for the fugitive decay, I left that in).]

Amend rule 2350 "Proposals" by replacing:

   Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
   is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
   attributes can be changed. The author (syn. proposer) of a
   proposal is the person who submitted it.
   
with:


   Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
   is created, its text, author, and AI cannot be changed. The author
   (syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who submitted it.

[I moved all the pending stuff out of here, but still modified the
language to allow the co-author mechanic.]

Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Pending Proposals" with the following
text:

   Pended is a negative boolean proposal switch tracked by the
   Promotor. Any player CAN pay 1 Pendant to flip the Pended switch
   of a specified proposal to True. If the player did not create the
   proposal and is not listed in the list of co-authors of the
   proposal, e is added to the list of co-authors.
   
   The Promotor CAN, once a week and with 2 support, flip the Pended

   switch of a proposal in the Proposal Pool to True. E SHOULD NOT do
   so if the author of the proposal has at least one Pendant or
   Legislative Card.
   
   A proposal with a Pended switch set to True is 'pending'.


[Basically pending is a separate mechanic from the Pool, so that it
interferes with long standing rules about the pool much less.]
   
Amend 1607 Distribution by replacing:


   The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal
   Pool at any time.
   
   In a given Agoran week, the Promotor SHALL distribute each

   proposal that was in the Proposal Pool at the beginning of that
   week, except for those excepted from automatic distribution by
   other rules, or those that are otherwise removed from the Pool.
   
with:
   
   The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal

   Pool at any time, but SHALL NOT do so unless it is pending.
   
   In 

Re: DIS: Backup list link on agoranomic.org is wrong

2020-05-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/31/20 6:30 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:
> agoranomic.org currently links to <
> http://www.listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora> in order to
> specify where the backup list is.
>
> This is the incorrect URL (it produces a certificate warning). The
> correct URL is
>  (i.e. with no www.
> prefix).
>
> This should probably be changed, otherwise newer players are likely to
> find it hard to sign up for the backup list (which is, after all, a
> Public Forum).
>

Fixed on the website.

[0]:
https://github.com/AgoraNomic/agoranomic.github.io/commit/b0d4946f5b82101bb356853e92d0e1ae1e441bb1

-- 
Jason Cobb



DIS: Backup list link on agoranomic.org is wrong

2020-05-31 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
agoranomic.org currently links to <
http://www.listserver.tue.nl/mailman/listinfo/agora> in order to
specify where the backup list is.

This is the incorrect URL (it produces a certificate warning). The
correct URL is
 (i.e. with no www.
prefix).

This should probably be changed, otherwise newer players are likely to
find it hard to sign up for the backup list (which is, after all, a
Public Forum).

-- 
ais523



DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [Arbitor] CFJ 3838 Assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 5:45 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-official
 wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I mixed up the message in Evidence with a similar one when pasting
> the case together.  The actual "Caller's Evidence" message is:
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:30:56 PM CDT grok wrote:
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:29 PM nch wrote wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >>> The below CFJ is 3837.  I assign it to grok.
> >>>
> >>> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837
> >>>
> >>> ===  CFJ 3837
> >>
> >> ===
> >>
> >>>   Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia
> >>>   has an article titled "Sponge".
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not define
> >> a
> >> biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether
> >> either
> >> individual fact is TRUE or FALSE.
> >>
> >> --
> >> nch
> >
> > I transfer 1 shiny to nch.
>
>
> On 5/31/2020 1:33 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> > [Arbitor's note:  I'm linking this case to 3831 as it revolves around
> > very similar issues of translation of old terms to new, so it might be a
> > useful compare/contrast].
> >
> >
> > The below CFJ is 3838.  I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> >
> > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3838
> >
> > ===  CFJ 3838  ===
> >
> >   Grok transferred one coin to me in the above quoted message.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Caller:nch
> >
> > Judge: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >
> > ==
> >
> > History:
> >
> > Called by nch:31 May 2020 20:04:05
> > Assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus:  [now]
> >
> > ==
> >
> > Caller's Evidence:
> >
> > On 5/31/2020 12:37 PM, grok wrote:
> >> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:35 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >>> On 5/31/2020 12:29 PM, nch wrote:
>  On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > The below CFJ is 3837.  I assign it to grok.
> >
> > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837
> >
> > ===  CFJ 3837
> >>> ===
> >
> >   Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia
> >   has an article titled "Sponge".
> >
> >
> >>> =
> 
>  Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not
> >>> define a
>  biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether
> >>> either
>  individual fact is TRUE or FALSE.
> 
> >>>
> >>> Gratuitous:  A judgement of IRRELEVANT is also appropriate - to evaluate
> >>> this, we are required to consider a world in which a common subject like
> >>> "sponge" is not in Wikipedia.  A world like this might be strange in other
> >>> ways.  This is, literally and directly, an "overly hypothetical
> >>> extrapolation of the game or its rules to conditions that don't actually
> >>> exist" as defined for IRRELEVANT in R591.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I transfer 1 shiny to g
> >>
> >
> >
> > Caller's Arguments:
> >
> > Shinies aren't an asset currently defined by rules or contracts. But they
> > served a similar purpose to coins in recent history. Additionally, I don't
> > see any other asset or action this could reasonably be interpreted as.
> > Thus, I think it's reasonable to interpret 'shiny' as a synonym for 'coins'.
> >
> > ==
> >

I have my own thoughts on this case and will make an independent
judgement, but I would appreciate if the Honorable Treasuror could
provide any thoughts they have given that it pertains to switches e
tracks.


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-05-31 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
 On Sunday, 31 May 2020, 20:29:09 GMT+1, grok via agora-business 
 wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:08 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-official 
>  wrote:
> > === CFJ 3837 ===
> >
> > Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia
> > has an article titled "Sponge".
> >
> > ==
> 
> I am developing my opinion but think I'm missing some pieces, so I am
> soliciting gratuitous arguments here.
> 
> I pledge to give 1 shiny to the first three players who submit gratuitous
> arguments on CFJ 3837 before my judgment is submitted.

Arguments: although Blot ownership is not IRRELEVANT, the actual statement
of the CFJ is IRRELEVANT; there's no particular relevance in the combination of
Falsifian's blot holdings and the existence of a particular Wikipedia article.

If CFJs like this one were deemed to be relevant, then judges could be forced to
evaluate the truth of almost arbitrary statements that had nothing to do with 
Agora.
I'd personally find this useful, but it seems rather unfair on the judges.

-- 
ais523  


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-05-31 Thread grok via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 5/31/2020 12:39 PM, grok wrote:
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:35 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >> On 5/31/2020 12:29 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote:
>  The below CFJ is 3837.  I assign it to grok.
> 
>  status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837
> 
>  ===  CFJ 3837
> >> ===
> 
>    Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English
> Wikipedia
>    has an article titled "Sponge".
> 
> 
> >>
> ==
> >>>
> >>> Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not
> >> define a
> >>> biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether
> >> either
> >>> individual fact is TRUE or FALSE.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Gratuitous:  A judgement of IRRELEVANT is also appropriate - to evaluate
> >> this, we are required to consider a world in which a common subject like
> >> "sponge" is not in Wikipedia.  A world like this might be strange in
> other
> >> ways.  This is, literally and directly, an "overly hypothetical
> >> extrapolation of the game or its rules to conditions that don't actually
> >> exist" as defined for IRRELEVANT in R591.
> >>
> >
> > This CFJ will (unintentionally, I believe) test the decision options in
> the
> > CFJ system. FALSE/DISMISS/IRRELEVANT all have different implications on
> the
> > gamestate long term.
> >
>
> So for context, it wasn't unintentional. Falsifian was purposefully seeing
> if e could "entangle" an otherwise irrelevant fact into being relevant. I
> can imagine reasonably cogent arguments for any of those three options, so
> it's definitely within the judge's purview to opine on whether the
> implications of one of them in particular is "better" for the long-term.
>

Right, the objective to entangle irrelevant facts is a test of the CFJ
system, but I think even though any of those options forms a coherent
decision they all have different implications on the continuing
interpretation of the ruleset

>


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion



On 5/31/2020 12:39 PM, grok wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:35 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> On 5/31/2020 12:29 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote:
 The below CFJ is 3837.  I assign it to grok.

 status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837

 ===  CFJ 3837
>> ===

   Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia
   has an article titled "Sponge".


>> ==
>>>
>>> Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not
>> define a
>>> biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether
>> either
>>> individual fact is TRUE or FALSE.
>>>
>>
>> Gratuitous:  A judgement of IRRELEVANT is also appropriate - to evaluate
>> this, we are required to consider a world in which a common subject like
>> "sponge" is not in Wikipedia.  A world like this might be strange in other
>> ways.  This is, literally and directly, an "overly hypothetical
>> extrapolation of the game or its rules to conditions that don't actually
>> exist" as defined for IRRELEVANT in R591.
>>
> 
> This CFJ will (unintentionally, I believe) test the decision options in the
> CFJ system. FALSE/DISMISS/IRRELEVANT all have different implications on the
> gamestate long term.
> 

So for context, it wasn't unintentional. Falsifian was purposefully seeing
if e could "entangle" an otherwise irrelevant fact into being relevant. I
can imagine reasonably cogent arguments for any of those three options, so
it's definitely within the judge's purview to opine on whether the
implications of one of them in particular is "better" for the long-term.
Here's the context:

Falsifian wrote:
> ais 523 wrote:
>> I think the best direction in this regard would be to allow CFJs that
>> are not relevant to Agora directly, with some payment to compensate
>> the judge for their time. "Agora as a ruleset interpretation service",
>> if you like. So Agora would act entirely in a fact-finding role, not in
>> any sort of enforcement role. (The person who commissioned Agora to
>> come to a judgement could then do what they wanted with the resulting
>> judgement and its reasoning.)
>
>
> I suspect it's already possible to use Agora's CFJ system for
> questions not directly relevant to Agora, by entangling the statement
> with a relevant question.
>
>
> CFJ: Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia
> has an article titled "Sponge".



DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3837 Assigned to grok

2020-05-31 Thread grok via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020, 2:35 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 5/31/2020 12:29 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:06:51 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-official
> wrote:
> >> The below CFJ is 3837.  I assign it to grok.
> >>
> >> status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3837
> >>
> >> ===  CFJ 3837
> ===
> >>
> >>   Falsifian owns at least one blot if and only if English Wikipedia
> >>   has an article titled "Sponge".
> >>
> >>
> ==
> >
> > Gratuitous: This CFJ should be found FALSE because the rules do not
> define a
> > biconditional relationship between these facts, regardless of whether
> either
> > individual fact is TRUE or FALSE.
> >
>
> Gratuitous:  A judgement of IRRELEVANT is also appropriate - to evaluate
> this, we are required to consider a world in which a common subject like
> "sponge" is not in Wikipedia.  A world like this might be strange in other
> ways.  This is, literally and directly, an "overly hypothetical
> extrapolation of the game or its rules to conditions that don't actually
> exist" as defined for IRRELEVANT in R591.
>

This CFJ will (unintentionally, I believe) test the decision options in the
CFJ system. FALSE/DISMISS/IRRELEVANT all have different implications on the
gamestate long term.

>


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion

nch wrote:


Additionally, accepting it leads to weirder arguments. Could I intend to start
a Free Tournament with 1 Consent, get enough support to satisfy the conditions
of 2 Consent, and then resolve that intent?


Yes, because if the conditions of 2 Consent are satisfied, then the
conditions of 1 Consent are also satisfied. But the resolution wouldn't
trigger any "if you resolve X with 2 Consent then Y" clauses.

As for the repeal of Induction, you could accomplish roughly the same
thing just by announcing "I intend to do X with 1 Consent, but I pledge
not to resolve it unless 2 Consent would also work".


Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-31 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion

nch wrote:


On May 28, 2020, 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < 
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:



One of the issues is that we don't really do "equity" (we tried once, it
was complicated and interesting but I don't think it really worked).



Equity itself is transactional though, because we're all players and any 
transactions might affect all of us. In chess a judge could make a ruling to 
even it out, but our judges are also playing at the same time.


Equity cases tried to deal with this by requiring the judge to not be a
member of the contract/whatever in question. This memorably broke down
when the economy was de facto dominated by a contract (the Agoran
Agricultural Association) where almost all players were members. If we
did bring it back, I'd suggest just limiting it to judges who the
Arbitor believes have minimal vested interest.

Equity cases, since they deal with more options than just TRUE or FALSE
(or a few other options), may also be more prone to situations where
Alice and her two friends will appeal any judgement including X, while
Bob and his two friends will appeal any judgement not including X. At
that point, the judge should be able to punt to something like: "Okay,
here's a proposal that either includes or doesn't include X depending
on vote annotations, do both sides agree ahead of time that adopting
this proposal either way will settle the case?"


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 5/31/2020 9:33 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> On 5/31/2020 8:46 AM, nch wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:27:55 AM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>>> wrote:
 On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rebecca wrote:
> Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the
> following Regulations (i fixed a typo)

 I believe it's perfectly legal to do so, but why are you doing this
 with 3 Agoran Consent and not 2?
>>>
>>> I'm actually not sure this is effective (unless there's precedence I'm not
>>> familiar with). I understand the intuitive appeal (getting 3 Consent entails
>>> getting 2 Consent) but it's legally a different mechanism.
>>
>> We had a rule the explicitly mandated that you could do that, then
>> repealed it.  So I don't think you can anymore.  (the rule ranked the
>> methods, including by announcement, and said if the rules permitted you to
>> do something with an easier method, you could use a harder one).
> 
> Why was it repealed?
> 

We did a general cleanup of rules circa 2014 and removed things that were
rarely used, just in the name of simplification.  I think that's the only
reason.  Here's a version from 2013 not sure if it was the final version.

Rule 2288/2 (Power=3)
Induction

  If a person CAN perform an action by announcement, e CAN perform
  it with N support, without N objections, with N Agoran Consent,
  or with notice, where N is a number appropriate for that form of
  dependent action.

  If a person CAN perform an action with notice, e CAN perform it
  without N objections, where N is an appropriate number.

  If a person CAN perform an action with M support, e CAN
  perform it with N support, where N is an appropriate number
  greater than M.

  If a person CAN perform an action without M objections, e CAN
  perform it without N objections, where N is an appropriate
  number less than M.

  If a person CAN perform an action via multiple different means
  of dependent actions, e CAN perform that action via multiple of
  them at the same time.

  If a player CAN perform an action with 0 support, then e CAN
  perform it by announcement.



Re: DIS: Thesis Snippet

2020-05-31 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion

G. wrote:


On 5/25/2020 12:41 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:

I wanted to send along a small snippet of the economy thesis I'm working on to
get feedback. My main questions are

1) What kind of information does everyone want for each economic system and


Your two examples are an interesting contrast in that they are probably
the "longest between resets" and "shortest between resets" systems, but
you don't get a sense of that from your descriptions - so maybe a
"frequency of reset" or similar?


Also, how thorough is a reset and what triggers one (may be directly on
a schedule, or by wins and/or other events which tended to occur about
this often during that era).


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:08 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
>
> On 5/31/2020 8:46 AM, nch wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:27:55 AM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
> > wrote:
> >> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rebecca wrote:
> >>> Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the
> >>> following Regulations (i fixed a typo)
> >>
> >> I believe it's perfectly legal to do so, but why are you doing this
> >> with 3 Agoran Consent and not 2?
> >
> > I'm actually not sure this is effective (unless there's precedence I'm not
> > familiar with). I understand the intuitive appeal (getting 3 Consent entails
> > getting 2 Consent) but it's legally a different mechanism.
>
> We had a rule the explicitly mandated that you could do that, then
> repealed it.  So I don't think you can anymore.  (the rule ranked the
> methods, including by announcement, and said if the rules permitted you to
> do something with an easier method, you could use a harder one).

Why was it repealed?

>
> > Additionally, accepting it leads to weirder arguments. Could I intend to 
> > start
> > a Free Tournament with 1 Consent, get enough support to satisfy the 
> > conditions
> > of 2 Consent, and then resolve that intent?
>
> No you can't, precisely to avoid scams.  From R2595:
>   2. The announcement referenced in paragraph (1) of this Rule
>  unambiguously, clearly, conspicuously, and without obfuscation
>  states:
>
> * the value of N, if N is not equal to 1 and the action is to
>be taken without N objections, with N support, or with N
>Agoran Consent;
>


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 5/31/2020 8:46 AM, nch wrote:
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:27:55 AM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rebecca wrote:
>>> Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the
>>> following Regulations (i fixed a typo)
>>
>> I believe it's perfectly legal to do so, but why are you doing this
>> with 3 Agoran Consent and not 2?
> 
> I'm actually not sure this is effective (unless there's precedence I'm not 
> familiar with). I understand the intuitive appeal (getting 3 Consent entails 
> getting 2 Consent) but it's legally a different mechanism.

We had a rule the explicitly mandated that you could do that, then
repealed it.  So I don't think you can anymore.  (the rule ranked the
methods, including by announcement, and said if the rules permitted you to
do something with an easier method, you could use a harder one).

> Additionally, accepting it leads to weirder arguments. Could I intend to 
> start 
> a Free Tournament with 1 Consent, get enough support to satisfy the 
> conditions 
> of 2 Consent, and then resolve that intent? 

No you can't, precisely to avoid scams.  From R2595:
  2. The announcement referenced in paragraph (1) of this Rule
 unambiguously, clearly, conspicuously, and without obfuscation
 states:

* the value of N, if N is not equal to 1 and the action is to
   be taken without N objections, with N support, or with N
   Agoran Consent;



Re: BUS: [Herald] Silver Quill 2016 (Was: Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills)

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:44 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On 5/31/20 11:26 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
> wrote:
> > Having assessed the discussion, I plan to proceed with awarding the
> > award as recommended because "Winning by apathy" seems to have been
> > the most consequential and unique, therefore I intend to award ais523
> > the Silver Quill 2016 with 2 Agoran Consent.
>
>
> ais523 is not a player, and R649 only provides you a mechanism to award
> patent titles to a player with 2 Agoran consent.
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>

I didn't realize e was no longer a player, but that's true. As a
solution, I submit the below proposal — since the draft distribution
has already occurred, I don't expect it distributed this week:

Title: Silver Quill 2016
AI: 2
Author: P.S.S.
Coauthors: G.

ais523 is awarded the patent title of Silver Quill for the year 2016
for eir proposal, "Winning by apathy".


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 31, 2020 10:27:55 AM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via 
agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rebecca via agora-official
> 
>  wrote:
> > Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the
> > following Regulations (i fixed a typo)
> 
> I believe it's perfectly legal to do so, but why are you doing this
> with 3 Agoran Consent and not 2?

I'm actually not sure this is effective (unless there's precedence I'm not 
familiar with). I understand the intuitive appeal (getting 3 Consent entails 
getting 2 Consent) but it's legally a different mechanism.

Additionally, accepting it leads to weirder arguments. Could I intend to start 
a Free Tournament with 1 Consent, get enough support to satisfy the conditions 
of 2 Consent, and then resolve that intent?

-- 
nch





Re: BUS: [Herald] Silver Quill 2016 (Was: Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills)

2020-05-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/31/20 11:26 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
> Having assessed the discussion, I plan to proceed with awarding the
> award as recommended because "Winning by apathy" seems to have been
> the most consequential and unique, therefore I intend to award ais523
> the Silver Quill 2016 with 2 Agoran Consent.


ais523 is not a player, and R649 only provides you a mechanism to award
patent titles to a player with 2 Agoran consent.

-- 
Jason Cobb



DIS: Re: OFF: Re: Free Tournament Intent

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rebecca via agora-official
 wrote:
>
> Sorry, I intend with 3 Agoran consent to host a Free Tournament with the
> following Regulations (i fixed a typo)

I believe it's perfectly legal to do so, but why are you doing this
with 3 Agoran Consent and not 2?


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:34 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On 5/31/20 6:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official
> wrote:
> >===
> >  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
> >===
>
>
> Not self-ratifying, but some CoEs in spirit:
>
> Falsifian, G., and I were awarded Hard Labor at [0], but this is not listed.
>
> Falsifian was awarded Employee of the Year at [1], but this is not listed.
>
>
> [0]:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-April/042620.html
>
> [1]:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-May/042738.html
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>

Thanks! I've added these for the next report; I think that the second
happened while I was preparing the report, so wasn't caught in my
filter, but the first was simply an oversight on my part. My
apologies.


DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.4

2020-05-31 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:12:02 AM CDT you wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM nch via agora-business
> 
>  wrote:
> > Create a new Power=1 rule titled "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege"
> > 
> > with the following text:
> >   The player who proposed the proposal with the greatest F/A, as
> >   defined in rule 955, among all proposals assessed in the last 7
> >   days CAN once earn one Legislative Card by announcement. If there
> >   is a tie, all authors of the tied proposals may do so once each.
> 
> There appears to be an Assessor ordering scam here. If the Assessor
> conspires with proposal authors, they can order proposals in order of
> increasing F/A for resolution, then act on the behalf of each author
> to claim a legislative card before resolving the next proposal (or,
> more simply, if the Assessor has a proposal up for voting, they can
> resolve that one first).
> 
> -Aris

This would be difficult to coordinate and easy to patch, so I'm going to leave 
it in for now and patch it afterwards.

-- 
nch





Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 5/31/2020 7:44 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On 5/31/2020 7:00 AM, Rebecca wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca wrote:

 Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
 know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
 one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")

>>>
>>> Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
>>> listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
>>>
>>
>> I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?
>>
>> I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
>> it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
>> thats a matter for you
>>
> 
> No argument either way for coin wins, just to point out there was a bit of
> discussion about this a couple months ago.  In the past, if we had a win
> type that was "accumulate N units by doing a range of Agoran things", the
> Herald categorizes it as a high score win (the original win condition).
> So Alexis decided that coins qualified.
> 
> It's really the most lumped of the specified win types because it covered
> several past systems with different names, I think all of the others
> categories are specific to the particular game/era (Tournament and
> Proposal wins combine different types of proposals and tournaments over
> the years, but the underlying mechanisms for those is the same at least).

Meant to add: In that discussion we also kind of agreed that if a future
herald went back and added the approximate era or other notes, to make the
rule or system "very clear", it would be a welcome addition!



Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion


On 5/31/2020 7:00 AM, Rebecca wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca wrote:
>>>
>>> Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
>>> know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
>>> one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
>>>
>>
>> Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
>> listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
>>
> 
> I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?
> 
> I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
> it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
> thats a matter for you
> 

No argument either way for coin wins, just to point out there was a bit of
discussion about this a couple months ago.  In the past, if we had a win
type that was "accumulate N units by doing a range of Agoran things", the
Herald categorizes it as a high score win (the original win condition).
So Alexis decided that coins qualified.

It's really the most lumped of the specified win types because it covered
several past systems with different names, I think all of the others
categories are specific to the particular game/era (Tournament and
Proposal wins combine different types of proposals and tournaments over
the years, but the underlying mechanisms for those is the same at least).

-G.



DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/31/20 6:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official
wrote:
>===
>  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>===


Not self-ratifying, but some CoEs in spirit:

Falsifian, G., and I were awarded Hard Labor at [0], but this is not listed.

Falsifian was awarded Employee of the Year at [1], but this is not listed.


[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-April/042620.html

[1]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-May/042738.html

-- 
Jason Cobb



Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:00 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-discussion  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
> > > know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
> > > one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
> > >
> >
> > Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
> > listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
> >
>
> I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?

Yes

>
> I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
> it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
> thats a matter for you

In general, we have avoided that because it would be necessarily
incomplete and the system is rather imprecise. Here's a similar
response from G. last year:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-January/039698.html


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion  wrote:

> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
>  wrote:
> >
> > Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
> > know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
> > one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
> >
>
> Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
> listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
>

I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?

I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
thats a matter for you
-- 
>From R. Lee


Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
> know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
> one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
>

Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.


DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8377-8387

2020-05-31 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 6:24 AM Jason Cobb via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8377-8387
> =
>
> I hereby resolve the Agoran decisions to adopt the below proposals.
>
> The quorum for all below decisions was 5.
>
> Voting Strengths
> 
> Strength is 3 unless otherwise noted.
> $: player has voting strength 4
> %: player has voting strength 5
> ^: player has voting strength 6
> &: player has voting strength 7
> =: player has voting strength 10
>
> PROPOSALS
> =
> PROPOSAL 8377 (Burden + Accurate Naming)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: JUSTICE
> FOR (6): Falsifian, G.%, Murphy, R. Lee, Tcbapo, pikhq
> AGAINST (2): Aris%, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus%
> PRESENT (4): ATMunn, Jason, Trigon^, nch
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 20/10 (AI=2.0)
> OUTCOME: ADOPTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Falsifian: Endorsement of R. Lee
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8378 (Bug Fixing IAR Writ)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: EFFICIENCY
> FOR (1): Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> AGAINST (8): Aris%, Falsifian%, G., R. Lee, Tcbapo, Trigon^, nch, pikhq
> PRESENT (3): ATMunn, Jason%, Murphy%
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 3/31 (AI=2.0)
> OUTCOME: REJECTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8379 (Expand wins by paradox)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: PARTICIPATION
> FOR (6): ATMunn, Jason%, Murphy, R. Lee, Trigon^, nch
> AGAINST (5): Falsifian, G., Publius Scribonius Scholasticus&, Tcbapo, pikhq
> PRESENT (1): Aris%
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 23/19 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: ADOPTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Falsifian: Endorsement of Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: Conditional
> resolved: no Notice of Veto was published
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8380 (Justice for R. Lee)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: PARTICIPATION
> FOR (1): Trigon^
> AGAINST (11): ATMunn, Aris%, Falsifian, G., Jason%, Murphy, Publius
> Scribonius Scholasticus&, R. Lee, Tcbapo, nch, pikhq
> PRESENT (0):
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 6/41 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: REJECTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Jason: Endorsement of Aris
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> nch: Endorsement of Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8381 (You Tried)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: PARTICIPATION
> FOR (10): ATMunn, Aris%, G., Jason%, Murphy, Publius Scribonius
> Scholasticus&, R. Lee, Trigon^, nch, pikhq
> AGAINST (0):
> PRESENT (2): Falsifian, Tcbapo
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 41/0 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: ADOPTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Falsifian: Conditional resolved: no Notice of Veto was published
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8383 (Agora plays table tennis)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: PARTICIPATION
> FOR (2): R. Lee, Trigon^
> AGAINST (4): Aris%, Murphy, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus&, nch
> PRESENT (6): ATMunn, Falsifian, G., Jason%, Tcbapo, pikhq
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 9/18 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: REJECTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Falsifian: Conditional resolved: no Notice of Veto was published
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8384 (Bones of Criminals)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: JUSTICE
> FOR (1): Murphy
> AGAINST (10): ATMunn, Aris%, Falsifian, G.%, Jason, Publius Scribonius
> Scholasticus%, R. Lee, Tcbapo, Trigon^, pikhq
> PRESENT (1): nch
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 3/39 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: REJECTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8385 (Slaying the dragon)
> CLASS: ORDINARY
> CHAMBER: ECONOMY
> FOR (0):
> AGAINST (6): ATMunn, Aris%, Jason, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, R.
> Lee%, nch
> PRESENT (6): Falsifian, G., Murphy, Tcbapo, Trigon=, pikhq
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 0/22 (AI=1.0)
> OUTCOME: REJECTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Falsifian: Conditional resolved: no Notice of Veto was published
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: Conditional resolved: Aris and Jason
> voted AGAINST on this proposal
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> PROPOSAL 8386 (Restraining Motions)
> CLASS: DEMOCRATIC
> FOR (12): ATMunn, Aris, Falsifian, G., Jason, Murphy, Publius Scribonius
> Scholasticus, R. Lee, Tcbapo, Trigon$, nch, pikhq
> AGAINST (0):
> PRESENT (0):
> BALLOTS: 12
> AI (F/A): 37/0 (AI=3.0)
> OUTCOME: ADOPTED
> [
> ATMunn: Endorsement of Jason
> Falsifian: Endorsement of G.
> Tcbapo: Endorsement of Falsifian
> ]
>
> The full text of each ADOPTED proposal is included below:
>
> //
> ID: 8377
> Title: Burden + Accurate Naming
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: R. Lee
> Co-authors:
>
>
> WHEREAS an elementary aspect of legal traditions that we all share is that
> no criminal defendant should bear the burden of proof, and that the Agoran
> system of criminal justice fails in other basic respects the people of
> Agora HEREBY RESOLVE the following
>   Retitle rule 2531 to "Defendant's 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2020-05-31 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 8:40 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-official  wrote:

>===
>  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>===
>
>Herald's Monthly Report
> May 31, 2020
>
>  ---
>RECENT CHANGES
>  ---
>
>   On March 16, Telnaior was awarded the title of Left in a
> Huff
>   On April 27, G. was awarded the title of Silver Quill
> 2019
>   On April 27, Trigon was awarded the title of Champion,
> categorized as High Score
>   On May 6, the titles of Prince of Agora and Princess
> of Andorra were revoked from Alexis
>   On May 6, Alexis was awarded the titles of Prince of
> Andorra and Princess of Agora
>   On May 11, Falsifian was awarded the title of Wooden
> Gavel 2019
>   On May 22, R. Lee was awarded the title of Money
> Launderer
>
>  ---
>  CHAMPION by
>  ---
> Anarchy  Alexis
>  Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, Tenhigitsune,
>  Warrigal, Quazie, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus,
>  tmanthe2nd, Gaelan(x2), Ienpw III, Veggiekeks,
> omd,
>  R. Lee, Bayushi, nch, grok, babelian, twg,
>  D. Margaux
>   Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
>   Clout  ais523, Alexis
>Election  G.
>  Escape  omd
>  High Score  Elysion, G.(x2), Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
>  ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
>  root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker,
>  Falsifian, twg(x2), Jason, CuddleBeam, Trigon
>   Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
>  Alexis, nch
>  Leadership  ais523
>   Lotto  Alexis, omd
>  Maniac  Craig, root
>Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
> Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
>  Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
>Politics  Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
>Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
>  Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.(x2),
>  omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul, Yally,
>  BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3), Andon, twg,
>  CuddleBeam, Trigon, D. Margaux(x501)
> Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.(x2), twg
>Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
> Spaaace  Falsifian, Jason (x1000)
>  Tournament  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, Aris
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>Via Ratification  The President
> Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
>  Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
>  Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
>  Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
>  Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
>  Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
>  Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>  Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
>  Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
>  Kelly
>  *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
>  where N/P is the winning ratio.
>
> 
> ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> 
> GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>  Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
>  Michael Norrish
>
>HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>Murphy, G.
>
> 
> HIGHER EDUCATION
> 
>Associate of Nomic