DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Charles
Walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote:
I submit the following proposal and intend to make it Distributable
without objection:
I agree to the following:
{{
This is a public contract governed by the rules of Agora and a pledge.
Any player can join or leave this contract by announcement.
Parties to this contract shall vote AGAINST every distributed proposal
which has no title.
}}
I trust that you do not interpret the subject line of the message to be the
title then? In future I will add titles in the body of the message.
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C-walker
DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Walker wrote: I was just trying to keep the Janitor in work, honest. I submit the following proposal and intend to make it Distributable without objection: Again, I object. -G. I feel this is grossly unfair. I am a new player with very few notes and intend to gain most my Notes/ new currency of them through proposals. If I have to pay to get them distributed, then this becomes almost impossible for me to do with the few Notes I have now. I even set the II of that proposal to 0, zeroing the number of Notes I could gain from it anyway. If your intention is to get the economy going then maybe you could spend some Notes? -- C-walker, who clearly intends this message to be public.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Charles Walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Walker wrote: I was just trying to keep the Janitor in work, honest. I submit the following proposal and intend to make it Distributable without objection: Again, I object. -G. I feel this is grossly unfair. I am a new player with very few notes and intend to gain most my Notes/ new currency of them through proposals. If I have to pay to get them distributed, then this becomes almost impossible for me to do with the few Notes I have now. I even set the II of that proposal to 0, zeroing the number of Notes I could gain from it anyway. If your intention is to get the economy going then maybe you could spend some Notes? -- C-walker, who clearly intends this message to be public. And for an II = 1 proposal, even if you play all your cards right, you couldn't gain more than 1 notes, making the best possible situation breaking even. I am personally very opposed to this new system. Isn't the point of the game to have arbitrary proposals? As it is, the number of proposals (including good proposals) will drop. I know I won't be submitting as many.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the point of the game to have arbitrary proposals? As it is, the number of proposals (including good proposals) will drop. I know I won't be submitting as many. The point of the game is that the rules can change. Whether it's good for the game to have many many proposals are a few well thought out ones is a matter of opinion. It should be noted that nomic was modeled after the US Constitution, and I'm not aware of many people who think the Amendment Clause there is fatally flawed because it doesn't encourage frequent amendments.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
Make all your proprosals ii-3, it's not like it affects voting ;) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Walker wrote: I was just trying to keep the Janitor in work, honest. I submit the following proposal and intend to make it Distributable without objection: Again, I object. -G. I feel this is grossly unfair. I am a new player with very few notes and intend to gain most my Notes/ new currency of them through proposals. If I have to pay to get them distributed, then this becomes almost impossible for me to do with the few Notes I have now. I even set the II of that proposal to 0, zeroing the number of Notes I could gain from it anyway. If your intention is to get the economy going then maybe you could spend some Notes? -- C-walker, who clearly intends this message to be public.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 15:17 -0400, comex wrote: Make all your proprosals ii-3, it's not like it affects voting ;) Proposals have been rejected for having IIs too high before now. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't the point of the game to have arbitrary proposals? As it is, the number of proposals (including good proposals) will drop. I know I won't be submitting as many. The point of the game is that the rules can change. Whether it's good for the game to have many many proposals are a few well thought out ones is a matter of opinion. It should be noted that nomic was modeled after the US Constitution, and I'm not aware of many people who think the Amendment Clause there is fatally flawed because it doesn't encourage frequent amendments. I don't think Agora would be much of a game if its rules were only amended 27 times in 230 years.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 14:43 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I don't think Agora would be much of a game if its rules were only amended 27 times in 230 years. Sounds like the FRC! (Ordinance change proposals have been voted against there solely for the reason that the rules had been changed a few months earlier...) -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009, Charles Walker wrote: Again, I object. -G. I feel this is grossly unfair. I am a new player with very few notes and intend to gain most my Notes/ new currency of them through proposals. If I have to pay to get them distributed, then this becomes almost impossible for me to do with the few Notes I have now. I even set the II of that proposal to 0, zeroing the number of Notes I could gain from it anyway. If your intention is to get the economy going then maybe you could spend some Notes? An economy means trade, and often means helping or simple coalition forming (e.g. a coauthor etc.?). Take a look at the Conductor's report. Many players have notes burning holes in their pockets. Maybe if no one feels it's worth paying for, that's a sign...? That being said, the economic system should indeed have a new player salary just for said getting started. I'll not object further to newish players' proposals on economic grounds until that's fixed (this proposal has already been objected to by others for unrelated reasons). Basically, the right answer to balance arbitrary proposals with quality proposals is a pay system, but with everyone getting a minimum salary (say equivalent to 3-4 proposals/month). -G.
DIS: Re: BUS: Gramatically Correct
Geoffrey Spear wrote:
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Charles
Walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote:
I submit the following proposal and intend to make it Distributable
without objection:
I agree to the following:
{{
This is a public contract governed by the rules of Agora and a pledge.
Any player can join or leave this contract by announcement.
Parties to this contract shall vote AGAINST every distributed proposal
which has no title.
}}
Ironically, this contract has no name.
