Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > At least 2 or 3 times, someone's actually written a FAQ, and everyone > > there at the time learns what they need to by editing/commenting on > > it, then by the time someone else needs it, it's out of date or > > forgotten. (not saying the issue can't be solved, just an observation > > of past times). > > We need to attach it to an office if we want it done routinely. We could > either give it to, say, the Registrar, or make it a new office with only a > monthly report, or attach it to Reportor when we bring that back. > > -Aris Here's a proto for a new office. Anyone interested in holding it? It would also be reasonable to attach it to Registrar. Seems appropriate for the Registrar to help new players. Not sure how I feel about the added responsibility right now, though. Title: Official Guidance AI: 1 Co-authors: Aris Chamber: Participation Enact a new power-1 rule titled "The Guide", with the following text: The Guide is an office; its holder is responsible for helping new players participate, and for teaching Agora's conventions and traditions. These responsibilities are also the purpose of Help Articles. A Help Article is a text, such as a frequently asked question and answer, or a longer article. Any player CAN create, destroy or amend a Help Article with Agoran Consent. The Guide SHOULD keep the Help Articles up to date. The Guide's monthly report includes a list of all Help Articles, and constitutes a self-ratifying attestation that that is a complete and accurate list thereof. - Falsifian
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > omd wrote: > > > Yep, but speaking as the Distributor, I think it would be nice to have > > > better documentation. (Not necessarily volunteering to write it > > > though. ;)) > > > > Yes, we seem to periodically come up with lists of non-obvious Agoran > > nuances that it would be good to put in a FAQ on the website, and then > > not do anything with them... > > > > -twg, who is equally unwilling to put the effort in > > At least 2 or 3 times, someone's actually written a FAQ, and everyone > there at the time learns what they need to by editing/commenting on > it, then by the time someone else needs it, it's out of date or > forgotten. (not saying the issue can't be solved, just an observation > of past times). We need to attach it to an office if we want it done routinely. We could either give it to, say, the Registrar, or make it a new office with only a monthly report, or attach it to Reportor when we bring that back. -Aris > >
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion wrote: > > omd wrote: > > Yep, but speaking as the Distributor, I think it would be nice to have > > better documentation. (Not necessarily volunteering to write it > > though. ;)) > > Yes, we seem to periodically come up with lists of non-obvious Agoran > nuances that it would be good to put in a FAQ on the website, and then > not do anything with them... > > -twg, who is equally unwilling to put the effort in At least 2 or 3 times, someone's actually written a FAQ, and everyone there at the time learns what they need to by editing/commenting on it, then by the time someone else needs it, it's out of date or forgotten. (not saying the issue can't be solved, just an observation of past times).
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
omd wrote: > Yep, but speaking as the Distributor, I think it would be nice to have > better documentation. (Not necessarily volunteering to write it > though. ;)) Yes, we seem to periodically come up with lists of non-obvious Agoran nuances that it would be good to put in a FAQ on the website, and then not do anything with them... -twg, who is equally unwilling to put the effort in
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 9:28 AM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 12:18, sukil via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Yup, makes sense. Thanks! I believe this could be documented somewhere > > just in case (maybe I missed it?). > > The mailing lists have historically been largely outside the game's > rules and managed informally. List etiquette, shorthands, and similar, > have also similarly been managed mostly informally. The title of > Disributor, the person responsible for operating the mailing lists, > has gone for extended periods where it wasn't even recognized in the > rules. About as close as we come is that, occasionally, some changes > to mailing list configuration are formally requested of the > Distributor by way of proposal, in order to act as a poll of Agorans. Yep, but speaking as the Distributor, I think it would be nice to have better documentation. (Not necessarily volunteering to write it though. ;))
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 12:18, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > Yup, makes sense. Thanks! I believe this could be documented somewhere > just in case (maybe I missed it?). The mailing lists have historically been largely outside the game's rules and managed informally. List etiquette, shorthands, and similar, have also similarly been managed mostly informally. The title of Disributor, the person responsible for operating the mailing lists, has gone for extended periods where it wasn't even recognized in the rules. About as close as we come is that, occasionally, some changes to mailing list configuration are formally requested of the Distributor by way of proposal, in order to act as a poll of Agorans. -Alexis
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
El 14/02/2020 a las 18:08, AIS523--- via agora-discussion escribió: On Fri, 2020-02-14 at 18:02 +0100, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: Hi, For some reason, any agora-* conversation (tested with my register message, a random one coming from agora-official and another one coming from this list) includes a reply-to header which points to this list, and excludes any other agora-* list. This means that I should always "reply to list" instead of "reply to sender only", even though both are the same address (but the sender address gets overwritten by the reply-to header), because if I fail to do so the message will be sent to this list (that was what happened yesterday). Is this intentional? (Just in case somebody is seeing list logs (not archives), sorry for attempting to send messages twice, I tend to forget to select this alias and the list duly complains.). Normally, replies to a list don't want to go back to that same list anyway. For example, proposal distributions go to agora-official, but discussion of them should go to agora-discussion and votes on them should go to agora-business. We've had the reply-to set to agora-discussion for ages, because discussing a message is the most common sort of "reply" to it. In particular, a reply-to of agora-official is almost certainly incorrect because it's very rare to send replies to that list (unless an officer is correcting a mistake in a report). You could make more of an argument for agora-business, but in general there's less potential damage from posts going to -discussion by mistake than there is from posts going to -business by mistake. Yup, makes sense. Thanks! I believe this could be documented somewhere just in case (maybe I missed it?).
Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
On Fri, 2020-02-14 at 18:02 +0100, sukil via agora-discussion wrote: > Hi, > > For some reason, any agora-* conversation (tested with my register > message, a random one coming from agora-official and another one coming > from this list) includes a reply-to header which points to this list, > and excludes any other agora-* list. This means that I should always > "reply to list" instead of "reply to sender only", even though both are > the same address (but the sender address gets overwritten by the > reply-to header), because if I fail to do so the message will be sent to > this list (that was what happened yesterday). Is this intentional? > > (Just in case somebody is seeing list logs (not archives), sorry for > attempting to send messages twice, I tend to forget to select this alias > and the list duly complains.). Normally, replies to a list don't want to go back to that same list anyway. For example, proposal distributions go to agora-official, but discussion of them should go to agora-discussion and votes on them should go to agora-business. We've had the reply-to set to agora-discussion for ages, because discussing a message is the most common sort of "reply" to it. In particular, a reply-to of agora-official is almost certainly incorrect because it's very rare to send replies to that list (unless an officer is correcting a mistake in a report). You could make more of an argument for agora-business, but in general there's less potential damage from posts going to -discussion by mistake than there is from posts going to -business by mistake. -- ais523
DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list
Hi, For some reason, any agora-* conversation (tested with my register message, a random one coming from agora-official and another one coming from this list) includes a reply-to header which points to this list, and excludes any other agora-* list. This means that I should always "reply to list" instead of "reply to sender only", even though both are the same address (but the sender address gets overwritten by the reply-to header), because if I fail to do so the message will be sent to this list (that was what happened yesterday). Is this intentional? (Just in case somebody is seeing list logs (not archives), sorry for attempting to send messages twice, I tend to forget to select this alias and the list duly complains.). Thanks, Sukil
