Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
- Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] people want it because they think it's annoying when a SB is closed and they have to wait for the user to rejoin the conversation everytime they write a message if they had to wait 1 minute... especially for low connection people, it might be a hassle.. Yeah, that's a point, but it still make me think that maybe it's the reason for which that message should be hidden (by default, and activable) :/ anyways, I don't care, I won't use it and I don't like such a thing, but hey, if it makes users happy (and M$ angry :p) I don't mind. I don't really agree. What's the deal in making they're load higher? Just not to read sb closed ? You can't read it on the original client becuase you're not supposed to... What's the deal in making them angrier... they're never happy about clones of their IM client I know it's just a plugin, but... my 2c - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
2007/2/23, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] people want it because they think it's annoying when a SB is closed and they have to wait for the user to rejoin the conversation everytime they write a message if they had to wait 1 minute... especially for low connection people, it might be a hassle.. Yeah, that's a point, but it still make me think that maybe it's the reason for which that message should be hidden (by default, and activable) :/ I a - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
(2nd try ;)) 2007/2/23, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] people want it because they think it's annoying when a SB is closed and they have to wait for the user to rejoin the conversation everytime they write a message if they had to wait 1 minute... especially for low connection people, it might be a hassle.. Yeah, that's a point, but it still make me think that maybe it's the reason for which that message should be hidden (by default, and activable) :/ I agree here strongly. We shouldn't overload 'normal' users with messages that don't say much. I still think we should be able to turn 'm on. Maybe as a plugin, maybe as a preference. But by default the only thing of this kind that could be shown is : when a SB is not open and you send a message it could not show it in the chatwindow and have a Sending message ... string in the statusbar untill the SB is open and then put the message in the chatwindow history part. Or, place the message in the chatwindow, with appended at it a [Sending ] string that dissapears once the SB got opened. This is handyu to normal users asthey can see the lag than (especially on low connections). For other cases I don't think the majority of users care if the SB is opened or not. For users that allways close the CW, it willshow a sending... everytime though, therefor I think it's best to have it in the statusbar instead of in the CW; SO, I'm for putting a Sending message ... string in statusbar as long as the SB is not opened. Karel. Karel. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
I do agree. It may also fix some issues we have, which make us using mutex. On 2/23/07, Karel Demeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (2nd try ;)) 2007/2/23, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] people want it because they think it's annoying when a SB is closed and they have to wait for the user to rejoin the conversation everytime they write a message if they had to wait 1 minute... especially for low connection people, it might be a hassle.. Yeah, that's a point, but it still make me think that maybe it's the reason for which that message should be hidden (by default, and activable) :/ I agree here strongly. We shouldn't overload 'normal' users with messages that don't say much. I still think we should be able to turn 'm on. Maybe as a plugin, maybe as a preference. But by default the only thing of this kind that could be shown is : when a SB is not open and you send a message it could not show it in the chatwindow and have a Sending message ... string in the statusbar untill the SB is open and then put the message in the chatwindow history part. Or, place the message in the chatwindow, with appended at it a [Sending ] string that dissapears once the SB got opened. This is handyu to normal users asthey can see the lag than (especially on low connections). For other cases I don't think the majority of users care if the SB is opened or not. For users that allways close the CW, it willshow a sending... everytime though, therefor I think it's best to have it in the statusbar instead of in the CW; SO, I'm for putting a Sending message ... string in statusbar as long as the SB is not opened. Karel. -- Boris FAURE (aka billiob) mail, msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly agitated. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Just out of curiosity, why should there exist a keepalive plugin? I was discussing this thread with some of microsoft's server team and they protested strongly at the existence of such a thing ;) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
lol, why would you even talk to microsoft about this ? lol.. for sure they wouldn't agree because it means more load on their servers... but some users still want it, and M$ doesn't care about users... people want it because they think it's annoying when a SB is closed and they have to wait for the user to rejoin the conversation everytime they write a message if they had to wait 1 minute... especially for low connection people, it might be a hassle.. anyways, I don't care, I won't use it and I don't like such a thing, but hey, if it makes users happy (and M$ angry :p) I don't mind. KKRT On Thu, Feb 22, 2007 at 11:57:35PM -0500, Madd Matt wrote: Just out of curiosity, why should there exist a keepalive plugin? I was discussing this thread with some of microsoft's server team and they protested strongly at the existence of such a thing ;) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Hi, as you can see it closes the SB ONLY if the contact wrote in it... So I don't see any trouble using this packet type... Phil Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 07:38:16 square87, vous avez écrit : @Phil: In protocol.tcl if you search x-keepalive, you'll see that we discard this _signal_ and we close the SB. For this reason i have't used x-keepalive @KKR [quoteon] btw, maybe you don't receive the BYE because the keepalive plugin prevents it from closing due to inactivity :p [quoteoff] :P But if msn user (no WLM 8.1) closes the chatwindow and the connection is still alive it should anyway send the BYE signal... In kopete this work fine, why not in amsn? :-S Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 07:38:16AM +0100, square87 wrote: @Phil: In protocol.tcl if you search x-keepalive, you'll see that we discard this _signal_ and we close the SB. For this reason i have't used x-keepalive if we discard it, it's for a reason, do you want us to add a new patch to our code to handle the x-keepaliveamsn, you're doing the same thing that kopete does but we have to handle it because it can get annoying, that's all, it's a requested feature afaik, and we only close the SB after some timeout, to avoid having hundreds of opened SBs with activity for no reason at all. @KKR [quoteon] btw, maybe you don't receive the BYE because the keepalive plugin prevents it from closing due to inactivity :p [quoteoff] :P But if msn user (no WLM 8.1) closes the chatwindow and the connection is still alive it should anyway send the BYE signal... In kopete this work fine, why not in amsn? :-S Square87 if you close the window, amsn will send the BYE signal to the other user (but the SB *could* still be open, there just won't be any other user in it (you can then invite another user in it later on instead of requesting a new SB ip adress from the NS) as I said, in amsn it should send the BYE signal, in WLM, it *might* not, even if you close the chat window... KKRT - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Phil meant only if the user didn't write in it... that's because at logon you could have hundreds of opened SBs that were created because the other client automatically downloaded your DP, so there was no real conversation, if the SB is for downloading the DP, then no need to keep it 'alive'. Thanks Phil for reminding me of this use case KKRT On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 10:00:19AM +0100, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hi, as you can see it closes the SB ONLY if the contact wrote in it... So I don't see any trouble using this packet type... Phil Le Wednesday 21 February 2007 07:38:16 square87, vous avez écrit : @Phil: In protocol.tcl if you search x-keepalive, you'll see that we discard this _signal_ and we close the SB. For this reason i have't used x-keepalive @KKR [quoteon] btw, maybe you don't receive the BYE because the keepalive plugin prevents it from closing due to inactivity :p [quoteoff] :P But if msn user (no WLM 8.1) closes the chatwindow and the connection is still alive it should anyway send the BYE signal... In kopete this work fine, why not in amsn? :-S Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
[Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Hello. I am trying to write the keepalive plugin. See: http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=886 It sends a MSG signal every 50 seconds. But when the user left the conversation i don't get BYE signal anymore... Honestly i think that is not a problem of my plugin... Please, can someone confirm this? Thanks. Square87 keepalive.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
ill give it a try On 2/20/07, square87 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I am trying to write the keepalive plugin. See: http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=886 It sends a MSG signal every 50 seconds. But when the user left the conversation i don't get BYE signal anymore... Honestly i think that is not a problem of my plugin... Please, can someone confirm this? Thanks. Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Works fine for me. I get the bye when they close my chat window. On 2/20/07, majinsoftware [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ill give it a try On 2/20/07, square87 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I am trying to write the keepalive plugin. See: http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=886 It sends a MSG signal every 50 seconds. But when the user left the conversation i don't get BYE signal anymore... Honestly i think that is not a problem of my plugin... Please, can someone confirm this? Thanks. Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Hi, Good job on the plugin (Y) Make sure you are NOT testing with WLM8.1 on the other side (Use aMSN just to be sure). WLM8.1 doesn't send a BYE when you close the window, just after 1 minute of inactivity. Even when you close the window, WLM8.1 keeps the SB open. On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, square87 wrote: Hello. I am trying to write the keepalive plugin. See: http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=886 It sends a MSG signal every 50 seconds. But when the user left the conversation i don't get BYE signal anymore... Honestly i think that is not a problem of my plugin... Please, can someone confirm this? Thanks. Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
I tested useing two ams clients latest svn On 2/20/07, Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Good job on the plugin (Y) Make sure you are NOT testing with WLM8.1 on the other side (Use aMSN just to be sure). WLM8.1 doesn't send a BYE when you close the window, just after 1 minute of inactivity. Even when you close the window, WLM8.1 keeps the SB open. On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, square87 wrote: Hello. I am trying to write the keepalive plugin. See: http://amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=886 It sends a MSG signal every 50 seconds. But when the user left the conversation i don't get BYE signal anymore... Honestly i think that is not a problem of my plugin... Please, can someone confirm this? Thanks. Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Oh my Josh! it's not work for me, lol :S You have to try with a not amsn user and the msn user have to left the chat after one minute of inactivity... :S Remember if a user write a message but it doesn't send it. This is an activity for the server :S Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
Hi, good plugin... Maybe it could be great to use a x-keepalive packet in place of x-keepaliveamsn as Kopete sends x-keepalive... That could become like a standard ;) Phil Le Tuesday 20 February 2007 09:59:57 square87, vous avez écrit : Oh my Josh! it's not work for me, lol :S You have to try with a not amsn user and the msn user have to left the chat after one minute of inactivity... :S Remember if a user write a message but it doesn't send it. This is an activity for the server :S Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
WLM works differently from aMSN.. when you open a chat window, it doesn't request a chat, even when you are typing, it doesn't send the typing notification... it opens the chatwindow ONLY after you send your initial message. I suppose that in the same way, it closes the chat after 1 minute of inactivity, even if you closed the chat window, if 1 minute of inactivity isn't elapsed, it doesn't close the SB... between two amsn users, we never close the SB so it means it's the SB itself that will close itself after 5 minutes (not 1) of inactivity. btw, maybe you don't receive the BYE because the keepalive plugin prevents it from closing due to inactivity :p KaKaRoTo On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:59:57AM +0100, square87 wrote: Oh my Josh! it's not work for me, lol :S You have to try with a not amsn user and the msn user have to left the chat after one minute of inactivity... :S Remember if a user write a message but it doesn't send it. This is an activity for the server :S Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] KeepAlive plugin
@Phil: In protocol.tcl if you search x-keepalive, you'll see that we discard this _signal_ and we close the SB. For this reason i have't used x-keepalive @KKR [quoteon] btw, maybe you don't receive the BYE because the keepalive plugin prevents it from closing due to inactivity :p [quoteoff] :P But if msn user (no WLM 8.1) closes the chatwindow and the connection is still alive it should anyway send the BYE signal... In kopete this work fine, why not in amsn? :-S Square87 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
