Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
I don't know the technical details but they can add CDMA devices to their network by assigning some numbers, same procedure for China Telecom, on which some Palm Pres are currently running ;) On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Mark Carter mjc1...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for the explanation Hong. Do you mean a sim-less CDMA Hero can work on the China Unicom network by roaming? 2009/12/11 Hong lordh...@gmail.com China Unicom has NO android devices yet, but some CDMA android phones, e.g. Hero, can work on their CDMA network. Unfortunately, those users might be running a pirate version of your app... On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: For my app, I noticed China Unicom is number 10 in the list of carriers (based on analytics feedback) - i.e. quite a few of my users are on China Unicom. Do those devices (i.e. without sim card) have access to the Market app? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
China Unicom has NO android devices yet, but some CDMA android phones, e.g. Hero, can work on their CDMA network. Unfortunately, those users might be running a pirate version of your app... On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: For my app, I noticed China Unicom is number 10 in the list of carriers (based on analytics feedback) - i.e. quite a few of my users are on China Unicom. Do those devices (i.e. without sim card) have access to the Market app? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Such useless questions in a technical mail-list !. Moderator need to stop it. Le Tuan Anh 2009/12/10 Hong lordh...@gmail.com China Unicom has NO android devices yet, but some CDMA android phones, e.g. Hero, can work on their CDMA network. Unfortunately, those users might be running a pirate version of your app... On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: For my app, I noticed China Unicom is number 10 in the list of carriers (based on analytics feedback) - i.e. quite a few of my users are on China Unicom. Do those devices (i.e. without sim card) have access to the Market app? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Thanks for the explanation Hong. Do you mean a sim-less CDMA Hero can work on the China Unicom network by roaming? 2009/12/11 Hong lordh...@gmail.com China Unicom has NO android devices yet, but some CDMA android phones, e.g. Hero, can work on their CDMA network. Unfortunately, those users might be running a pirate version of your app... On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: For my app, I noticed China Unicom is number 10 in the list of carriers (based on analytics feedback) - i.e. quite a few of my users are on China Unicom. Do those devices (i.e. without sim card) have access to the Market app? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
For my app, I noticed China Unicom is number 10 in the list of carriers (based on analytics feedback) - i.e. quite a few of my users are on China Unicom. Do those devices (i.e. without sim card) have access to the Market app? On Dec 1, 3:14 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: China Unicom uses CDMA with a SIM card. None of the current CDMA android phones have a SIM card slot. They don't work in China for now. Maybe on China Telecom, like they made Palm Pre to run on its network (no SIM card). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Hi westmeanboy, i was also under the impression that unicom is already compatible with some current android handsets, but even if they are not, its going to happen soon: http://www.microvoip.com/english/Carrier/200912/108903.html Thanks for the suggestion Michael, unfortunately my current grasp of the Chinese language just about allows me to order a meal and ask for the bill reading is a whole different story :p If as you suggest Google is now so large and fragmented that related departments with common interests dont have any kind of communication then we probably will be left without an answer for some time, but I will continue to be hopeful. I am personally backing the China Mobile blocking theory at the moment as that answers many of the questions. I read this article a few days ago and whilst the comments go off subject, the point being made is definitely interesting: http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63015121scid=rvhm_ms Just for the record, over the last 48 hours there has been no blocking of sync in the GZ area where I live ... anyone else noticed any changes? On Dec 1, 11:27 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: For my app, I noticedChinaUnicom is number 10 in the list of carriers (based on analytics feedback) - i.e. quite a few of my users are onChinaUnicom. Do those devices (i.e. without sim card) have access to the Market app? On Dec 1, 3:14 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: ChinaUnicom uses CDMA with a SIM card. None of the current CDMA android phones have a SIM card slot. They don't work inChinafor now. Maybe onChinaTelecom, like they made Palm Pre to run on its network (no SIM card). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
China Unicom uses CDMA with a SIM card. None of the current CDMA android phones have a SIM card slot. They don't work in China for now. Maybe on China Telecom, like they made Palm Pre to run on its network (no SIM card). On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:25 PM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: On Nov 30, 11:16 am, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Considering the mobile market size over here and the recent articles I have been reading on China Mobiles use of Android, I am wondering if the blocking is being done by the government or by China mobile or for some other currently undisclosed reason. Can anyone confirm whether the same problem exists when using China Telecom and/or China Unicom? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Although there is probably _someone_ at Google China who is responsible for liaison with the Chinese government and so would be concerned with any filtering being done of Android, you're not going to find them here, nor are you going to find anyone who knows who they are. Your best bet is probably to go through some of the Chinese-language Google sites, rather than the Android-specific ones. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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It's business that should be accused for this On Nov 28, 2:06 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: I will not go into details as why Chinese gov't blocking this and that, there are many reasons, and you certainly cannot hold Google accountable for the problems you have. Anyway, edit /system/etc/hosts, add 74.125.93.113 android.clients.google.com to your Android phone, and you are good to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Like I said in the post, it's blocked 90% of the time, not all the time, which makes it even stranger. The strangest things though is just how quiet Google is being about this, actually less open that the GFW! I can not understand more why you get so angry. Everybody should get angry about blocking from GFW. But well, what do you expect Google to do about this? China gov never admit the existence of GFW. If Google explains to the public that services used by Android are blocked by GFW by China gov, it's definitely against China gov. If Google builds some way to by pass GFW, it's against China gov too since they actually DO operate GFW. So no matter what Google would do, they would piss off China gov and get kicked out of China. Can you imagine a company fight against the biggest government in the world? So obvious ending it would have. This is China I have to say. Someone please shed some light on whats going on here On Nov 25, 12:06 pm, Jie Hong jie.j.h...@gmail.com wrote: I can understandChinaGov blocks Google sync service. The real strange thing is there are always a few hours sync service can work everyday, can anyone explain this? On 11月25日, 上午8时48分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Well I can safely say the blocking is back in GZ, as of last night no more sync. I was actually thinking how the timing of this problem as matched the launch of the iPhone inChina... makes you wonder ... The only thing worse than the GFW is any lack of explanation from Google ... thanks Google for being open about this problem. Best regards, The proud owner of an Android phone that became useless On Nov 22, 1:01 pm, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using ChinaMobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android inChina, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access: http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainlandchina? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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Let not be angry that China is blocking Google, getting angry wont help in this case ... this is just about understand the specifics of what is going on. For those of us living in China we are all very aware of the general blocking/filtering that has been going on for a very long time. This is nothing new and for the most part is related to political issues. Google does not need to take on the government or figure out some way to bypass the GFW, that would of course be pointless, but as we know Google has made every effort to comply with the government request and thats why Google search and Gmail (web based) works fine here. If they didnt work or were being blocked all the time, many people would switch to bing and hotmail to avoid the hassle or using vpns all the time. Now in the case of sync with Android its a very different situation, so again this blocking is new and only started since the 60th anniversary celebrations this blocking effects specifically Gmail on the Android device but leaves it accessible on the web (meaning is targeting Android) this blocking stops access to the market app downloads (again specifically targeting Android). If the market is the problem, google can very easily filter it, so what is the problem? In the past when google has been blocked, ie search and gmail, they have issued statements explaining why ... even if the reasons seemed unjustified, like the crackdown on porn, google went as far as to issue public statements and expressed a desire to resolve the issues and reinstate the services effected. This is because it values the market over here. Considering the mobile market size over here and the recent articles I have been reading on China Mobiles use of Android, I am wondering if the blocking is being done by the government or by China mobile or for some other currently undisclosed reason. Whatever the reason might be its unlikely that google does not care and I simply want to know what the future holds for Android in China. If the blocking is a permanent feature, then its important for me and others out here to know this and it would certainly help if we knew why. Thanks! On Nov 29, 9:19 am, Michael (许晖) hui.x...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Like I said in the post, it's blocked 90% of the time, not all the time, which makes it even stranger. The strangest things though is just how quiet Google is being about this, actually less open that the GFW! I can not understand more why you get so angry. Everybody should get angry about blocking from GFW. But well, what do you expect Google to do about this? China gov never admit the existence of GFW. If Google explains to the public that services used by Android are blocked by GFW by China gov, it's definitely against China gov. If Google builds some way to by pass GFW, it's against China gov too since they actually DO operate GFW. So no matter what Google would do, they would piss off China gov and get kicked out of China. Can you imagine a company fight against the biggest government in the world? So obvious ending it would have. This is China I have to say. Someone please shed some light on whats going on here On Nov 25, 12:06 pm, Jie Hong jie.j.h...@gmail.com wrote: I can understandChinaGov blocks Google sync service. The real strange thing is there are always a few hours sync service can work everyday, can anyone explain this? On 11月25日, 上午8时48分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Well I can safely say the blocking is back in GZ, as of last night no more sync. I was actually thinking how the timing of this problem as matched the launch of the iPhone inChina... makes you wonder ... The only thing worse than the GFW is any lack of explanation from Google ... thanks Google for being open about this problem. Best regards, The proud owner of an Android phone that became useless On Nov 22, 1:01 pm, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using ChinaMobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android inChina, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
On Nov 30, 11:16 am, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Considering the mobile market size over here and the recent articles I have been reading on China Mobiles use of Android, I am wondering if the blocking is being done by the government or by China mobile or for some other currently undisclosed reason. Can anyone confirm whether the same problem exists when using China Telecom and/or China Unicom? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Hi Hong, of course Google has complied, it had no choice if it wanted to stay in the Chinese market but that is what makes this even more puzzling ... as far as I can tell Google is complying, and there does not seem to be a good reason for blocking sync services to gmail or market on android etc ... so why is it being blocked? For the same reasons Google has complied with search filtering (the size of the China market), I'm sure its also happy to comply with whatever else it takes to get sync working over here. I get the feeling I'm swimming against the tide with all the defensive comments. I am not attacking Google or anyone for that matter. I posed a simple question ... whats going on? ... yes its being blocked ... but why? and by understand why, those of us our here who are either unable to use the service or wondering about its long term availability can can make informed decisions rather than guessing or hoping. Am I really the only one who would appreciate an official explanation? Again, thanks to all for contributing On Nov 28, 12:23 pm, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: Google has already complied with the Chinese government by using Google.cn and g.cn instead of Google.com in China. Everything (DNS, servers, routers) are under local government surveillance and control. Not much they can do. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:02 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Appreciate the workaround Hong, i will give it a try. Don't get me wrong, i am not blaming Google for the cause of the problem, its not their fault they are being blocked but they must be aware of the problem and should make a statement as to what is happening will it stay like this or are they going to comply with whatever has caused the government to start blocking in the first place. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:09 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: I get the feeling I'm swimming against the tide with all the defensive comments. I am not attacking Google or anyone for that matter. I posed a simple question ... whats going on? ... yes its being blocked ... but why? Again... NOBODY on this list has the information you are asking for. We aren't being defensive, we just don't know. And repeatedly asking this question is not going to make the answer pop in our head. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Anther rumor I heard was that China Mobile got involved in blocking Android Market downloading because of their own interest, as you know, CMCC have their own MMarket, and they share the revenue with the MMarket app providers, so they definitely don’t want the Ophone users to download apps from Android Market; But anyway, as I said at the beginning, it’s only a rumor; The 2nd thing I want to bring up is, HTC Hero and Tattoo have both been released in China(mainland) as well, they are called Dopod A6288/ A3288(OEMed by HTC) here, one of my colleagues just bought a Dopod A3288, I surprisedly found that there was no Android Market installed on her phone, have no idea what does that mean to the partnership between Google and their Chinese partners… Thx Wei shimsim wrote: Hi CraigsRace, Thanks for the info on the Chinese android market, its interesting to hear that. Whilst there are alternative markets, personally i would prefer to stick to the official android market. I have of course done many searches on the topic of 'china blocked websites' and am fairly familiar with the which sites are blocked and why, but so far nothing on the specifics of sync being blocked on android phones and certainly nothing more than non official speculations. As i wrote above, this issue renders the phone somewhat useless. without a reason for why sync is being blocked or an understanding as to whether its something that Google is working to resolve within the confines of the government requirements, as a dev or simply an end user, I think it will have meaningful ramification. Thanks again for all the feedback! On Nov 27, 10:58 am, CraigsRace craig...@gmail.com wrote: I had been in communication with some Chinese companies telling me that they are going to set up their own Android Market that would not be blocked and would be available for the OPhone. Unfortunately, none of the companies could show me any evidence that they had anything close to being finished. One company even wanted me to e-mail my apk to them and sign over all rights to the application to them (clearly I wasn't going to do that). I've now stopped communication with them, and I'm waiting to see if any of the companies actually get a Chinese version of the market up and running. If anyone has some inside information on a Chinese Android Market, I would be very greatfull if you would share it. As far as China blocking the Google Android Market, I suspect Dianna is kindly asking you to do a Google search on china blocked websites, or something similar, and go from there. On Nov 27, 1:00 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Agreed Dianne, I appreciate its not the best place to post this, although developers in China that are looking for a long term platform to work on might say otherwise. If you can suggest a more appropriate place I am happy to post there, just I was hoping that at least on the developer group there was someone connected enough to shed some light on this. On Nov 27, 9:53 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Again, I don't think anyone here can answer these questions. This discussion is really outside the realm of android-developers, and should probably be moved elsewhere. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep politics out of this discussion and also realize that there are a number of difference between blocking Twitter, Facebook, Youtube (i will use T,F,Y for short), and blocking a service used for accessing email and market apps on a mobile phone. 1. Sync is not blocked 24 hours of the day like T,F,Y, and randomly starts working throughout the day/night 2. Sync is not blocked in all parts of China, T,F,Y is blocked everywhere 3. T,F,Y have been used for political statements whereas Sync lets us collect mail and download apps on our phones 4. The app market is already filtered depending on what SIM you have in your phone and as far as i know there are no political or porn apps on the market 5. Whilst T,F,Y are arguably very big business, they are not as essential as collecting mail 6. Gmail is not being blocked when using a web browser So there are some really big differences here and there must be an alternative reason for blocking Sync ... thats what I'm trying to find out Is Google aware its being blocked? well they are very aware when all their services got blocked earlier this year as part of the porn crack down and even took the time to make some official statements. Google has also spent a lot of time complying with government request in the past which is why they were allowed to operate here in the first place (they got a lot of stick for that i recall). Also Google has at least one office in China and no doubt some of their
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But you need root permission to do that, Is there any way to get the root permission without hacking or flashing an unauthorized image? Hong wrote: I will not go into details as why Chinese gov't blocking this and that, there are many reasons, and you certainly cannot hold Google accountable for the problems you have. Anyway, edit /system/etc/hosts, add 74.125.93.113 android.clients.google.com to your Android phone, and you are good to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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Yes adding hosts alias needs root permission. You can also try Tor for android, not sure it will work, but worth a try. Also buying a VPN account will help out as well. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Amour amour...@gmail.com wrote: But you need root permission to do that, Is there any way to get the root permission without hacking or flashing an unauthorized image? Hong wrote: I will not go into details as why Chinese gov't blocking this and that, there are many reasons, and you certainly cannot hold Google accountable for the problems you have. Anyway, edit /system/etc/hosts, add 74.125.93.113 android.clients.google.com to your Android phone, and you are good to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi Dianne, Would you accept a fairly reasonable assumption that Google has a vested interest in Android operating correctly in China? ... and for that reason there must be at least one person in the entire organization that knows or at the very least would be concerned about something like this? I posted this question on the dev group because this is simply the highest publicly accessible contact point within the Google group that have any relevance to the Android platform. If I had an alternative or for that matter if anyone else could give me a better way of finding the people in the know I would be more than grateful. Not only could I get an answer but I could avoid rattling anyones cage. Killing off this discussion by categorically saying that nobody here knows or can help is in my opinion extremely defensive and negates the useful information that has been shared or learned from the discussion, even if I still dont have a definitive answer. Please Dianne, try to see it from my point of view, I am working and living here in China, I dont have the luxury of calling up my phone company and getting a fix. Android has been a life saver for me in past year and I want to know if I must now look to alternatives or if I can hold on for the moment. Lets not make this into a tit for tat exchange, I firmly believe that someone out there knows whats going on and even if they cant share the full complexities of the problem, can at least outline what the problem is and possible outcomes. Hi Amour, So far the CMCC explanation with their own alternative market is by far the most logical explanation of what might be going on and would also explain the hush hush but I would prefer not to jump to any incorrect conclusions. Thanks again to all that have contributed! On Nov 29, 6:38 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes adding hosts alias needs root permission. You can also try Tor for android, not sure it will work, but worth a try. Also buying a VPN account will help out as well. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Amour amour...@gmail.com wrote: But you need root permission to do that, Is there any way to get the root permission without hacking or flashing an unauthorized image? Hong wrote: I will not go into details as why Chinese gov't blocking this and that, there are many reasons, and you certainly cannot hold Google accountable for the problems you have. Anyway, edit /system/etc/hosts, add 74.125.93.113 android.clients.google.com to your Android phone, and you are good to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi Dianne - I think the OP understands that no one on this list has the information he is looking for. However, some people on this list have better access to people who DO have such information. I think its clear that at least one person in google has some information about this and at least some google employees read this list. Its just about somehow making that connection. Not necessarily directly (google is a very large company :) ) but maybe, for example, rather than just saying I don't know someone could say try this. I havent been able to access the Market for almost a month now. I release my free apps and have to use AndroLib to check on comments. Its really tedious. What's worse, my app uses a few intents that take the user to the Market. So I'm unable to test those. QUESTION: Why is it necessary to sign into Google Sync to access the Market for free non-protected apps? On Nov 29, 2:49 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:09 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: I get the feeling I'm swimming against the tide with all the defensive comments. I am not attacking Google or anyone for that matter. I posed a simple question ... whats going on? ... yes its being blocked ... but why? Again... NOBODY on this list has the information you are asking for. We aren't being defensive, we just don't know. And repeatedly asking this question is not going to make the answer pop in our head. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Okay this is the last time I am responding to this thread. I can not help you, I know nothing about this, and you are very likely not going to get any help on this list. You want me to say try this? All I can do is make up stuff. I HAVE NO IDEA. You people keep on accusing me of making this a tit for tat exchange, that I am somehow falling down on my duty by admitting I don't know instead of trying to come up with some solution, that I am being divisive. I have no intention of doing so. All I said originally was that it was unlikely that anyone on this list knows the answers to these questions, since people seemed to be getting upset that they were going unanswered. Well I am sorry I said anything. And I am not going to make another response to this particular issue, because it is a waste of everyone's time. As far as market relying on Google Sync -- all of the Google services funnel through a single underlying network connection that drives all of the sync tickles, updates, and everything else going on with the google services. If this doesn't work, they will all be stuck getting anything pushed from the google servers. Market operates by pushing to the device a request to install the app, so if you can't get those pushes, it won't install. On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Dianne - I think the OP understands that no one on this list has the information he is looking for. However, some people on this list have better access to people who DO have such information. I think its clear that at least one person in google has some information about this and at least some google employees read this list. Its just about somehow making that connection. Not necessarily directly (google is a very large company :) ) but maybe, for example, rather than just saying I don't know someone could say try this. I havent been able to access the Market for almost a month now. I release my free apps and have to use AndroLib to check on comments. Its really tedious. What's worse, my app uses a few intents that take the user to the Market. So I'm unable to test those. QUESTION: Why is it necessary to sign into Google Sync to access the Market for free non-protected apps? On Nov 29, 2:49 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:09 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: I get the feeling I'm swimming against the tide with all the defensive comments. I am not attacking Google or anyone for that matter. I posed a simple question ... whats going on? ... yes its being blocked ... but why? Again... NOBODY on this list has the information you are asking for. We aren't being defensive, we just don't know. And repeatedly asking this question is not going to make the answer pop in our head. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi Dianne, Respectfully I appreciate your decision to no longer contribute to this topic. I am sure this has absolutely no bearing or consequence on your life which is why it is of no interest to you but I do not recall insisting at any point that you have to contribute. Other who find this a waste of time simple dont bother posting, which is the normal approach. If anyone else thinks this is a waste of time, they are also free to not contribute. They dont even need to read it in the first place. I personally have gained a few alternative work arounds, insights into this problem and a few friends along the way who also happen to be suffering due to this problem, so to say this is wasting EVERYONE'S time is incorrect and shortsighted. Sorry if my comments have caused you offence, ultimately I am just looking for answers and maybe foolishly thought this was a good starting point. To everyone else interested in this subject, let try to stay on subject, nothing political, no need to defend, no one is being blamed, we just want to understand. Please feel free to continue to contribute workarounds or information that might shed light on why sync is now being targeted by the GFW. Hopefully someone in the know will eventually see this and contribute. Thanks! On Nov 29, 12:54 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Okay this is the last time I am responding to this thread. I can not help you, I know nothing about this, and you are very likely not going to get any help on this list. You want me to say try this? All I can do is make up stuff. I HAVE NO IDEA. You people keep on accusing me of making this a tit for tat exchange, that I am somehow falling down on my duty by admitting I don't know instead of trying to come up with some solution, that I am being divisive. I have no intention of doing so. All I said originally was that it was unlikely that anyone on this list knows the answers to these questions, since people seemed to be getting upset that they were going unanswered. Well I am sorry I said anything. And I am not going to make another response to this particular issue, because it is a waste of everyone's time. As far as market relying on Google Sync -- all of the Google services funnel through a single underlying network connection that drives all of the sync tickles, updates, and everything else going on with the google services. If this doesn't work, they will all be stuck getting anything pushed from the google servers. Market operates by pushing to the device a request to install the app, so if you can't get those pushes, it won't install. On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:34 PM, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: Hi Dianne - I think the OP understands that no one on this list has the information he is looking for. However, some people on this list have better access to people who DO have such information. I think its clear that at least one person in google has some information about this and at least some google employees read this list. Its just about somehow making that connection. Not necessarily directly (google is a very large company :) ) but maybe, for example, rather than just saying I don't know someone could say try this. I havent been able to access the Market for almost a month now. I release my free apps and have to use AndroLib to check on comments. Its really tedious. What's worse, my app uses a few intents that take the user to the Market. So I'm unable to test those. QUESTION: Why is it necessary to sign into Google Sync to access the Market for free non-protected apps? On Nov 29, 2:49 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:09 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: I get the feeling I'm swimming against the tide with all the defensive comments. I am not attacking Google or anyone for that matter. I posed a simple question ... whats going on? ... yes its being blocked ... but why? Again... NOBODY on this list has the information you are asking for. We aren't being defensive, we just don't know. And repeatedly asking this question is not going to make the answer pop in our head. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en --
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
I will not go into details as why Chinese gov't blocking this and that, there are many reasons, and you certainly cannot hold Google accountable for the problems you have. Anyway, edit /system/etc/hosts, add 74.125.93.113 android.clients.google.com to your Android phone, and you are good to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Appreciate the workaround Hong, i will give it a try. Don't get me wrong, i am not blaming Google for the cause of the problem, its not their fault they are being blocked but they must be aware of the problem and should make a statement as to what is happening will it stay like this or are they going to comply with whatever has caused the government to start blocking in the first place. Thanks On Nov 28, 2:06 am, Hong lordh...@gmail.com wrote: I will not go into details as why Chinese gov't blocking this and that, there are many reasons, and you certainly cannot hold Google accountable for the problems you have. Anyway, edit /system/etc/hosts, add 74.125.93.113 android.clients.google.com to your Android phone, and you are good to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Google has already complied with the Chinese government by using Google.cn and g.cn instead of Google.com in China. Everything (DNS, servers, routers) are under local government surveillance and control. Not much they can do. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:02 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Appreciate the workaround Hong, i will give it a try. Don't get me wrong, i am not blaming Google for the cause of the problem, its not their fault they are being blocked but they must be aware of the problem and should make a statement as to what is happening will it stay like this or are they going to comply with whatever has caused the government to start blocking in the first place. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Again, I don't think anyone here can answer these questions. This discussion is really outside the realm of android-developers, and should probably be moved elsewhere. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep politics out of this discussion and also realize that there are a number of difference between blocking Twitter, Facebook, Youtube (i will use T,F,Y for short), and blocking a service used for accessing email and market apps on a mobile phone. 1. Sync is not blocked 24 hours of the day like T,F,Y, and randomly starts working throughout the day/night 2. Sync is not blocked in all parts of China, T,F,Y is blocked everywhere 3. T,F,Y have been used for political statements whereas Sync lets us collect mail and download apps on our phones 4. The app market is already filtered depending on what SIM you have in your phone and as far as i know there are no political or porn apps on the market 5. Whilst T,F,Y are arguably very big business, they are not as essential as collecting mail 6. Gmail is not being blocked when using a web browser So there are some really big differences here and there must be an alternative reason for blocking Sync ... thats what I'm trying to find out Is Google aware its being blocked? well they are very aware when all their services got blocked earlier this year as part of the porn crack down and even took the time to make some official statements. Google has also spent a lot of time complying with government request in the past which is why they were allowed to operate here in the first place (they got a lot of stick for that i recall). Also Google has at least one office in China and no doubt some of their staff must be using Android phones . and if they really dont know about this problem well then let me say it again . can someone from Google please let us Android users in China know why we are being blocked? China happens to be the biggest mobile phone market in the world and considering Apple are here now (even with a crippled WiFi 3GS, but a working app store and mail), you would think that Google pays attention to something that makes their phones useless -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Agreed Dianne, I appreciate its not the best place to post this, although developers in China that are looking for a long term platform to work on might say otherwise. If you can suggest a more appropriate place I am happy to post there, just I was hoping that at least on the developer group there was someone connected enough to shed some light on this. On Nov 27, 9:53 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Again, I don't think anyone here can answer these questions. This discussion is really outside the realm of android-developers, and should probably be moved elsewhere. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep politics out of this discussion and also realize that there are a number of difference between blocking Twitter, Facebook, Youtube (i will use T,F,Y for short), and blocking a service used for accessing email and market apps on a mobile phone. 1. Sync is not blocked 24 hours of the day like T,F,Y, and randomly starts working throughout the day/night 2. Sync is not blocked in all parts of China, T,F,Y is blocked everywhere 3. T,F,Y have been used for political statements whereas Sync lets us collect mail and download apps on our phones 4. The app market is already filtered depending on what SIM you have in your phone and as far as i know there are no political or porn apps on the market 5. Whilst T,F,Y are arguably very big business, they are not as essential as collecting mail 6. Gmail is not being blocked when using a web browser So there are some really big differences here and there must be an alternative reason for blocking Sync ... thats what I'm trying to find out Is Google aware its being blocked? well they are very aware when all their services got blocked earlier this year as part of the porn crack down and even took the time to make some official statements. Google has also spent a lot of time complying with government request in the past which is why they were allowed to operate here in the first place (they got a lot of stick for that i recall). Also Google has at least one office in China and no doubt some of their staff must be using Android phones . and if they really dont know about this problem well then let me say it again . can someone from Google please let us Android users in China know why we are being blocked? China happens to be the biggest mobile phone market in the world and considering Apple are here now (even with a crippled WiFi 3GS, but a working app store and mail), you would think that Google pays attention to something that makes their phones useless -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
I had been in communication with some Chinese companies telling me that they are going to set up their own Android Market that would not be blocked and would be available for the OPhone. Unfortunately, none of the companies could show me any evidence that they had anything close to being finished. One company even wanted me to e-mail my apk to them and sign over all rights to the application to them (clearly I wasn't going to do that). I've now stopped communication with them, and I'm waiting to see if any of the companies actually get a Chinese version of the market up and running. If anyone has some inside information on a Chinese Android Market, I would be very greatfull if you would share it. As far as China blocking the Google Android Market, I suspect Dianna is kindly asking you to do a Google search on china blocked websites, or something similar, and go from there. On Nov 27, 1:00 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Agreed Dianne, I appreciate its not the best place to post this, although developers in China that are looking for a long term platform to work on might say otherwise. If you can suggest a more appropriate place I am happy to post there, just I was hoping that at least on the developer group there was someone connected enough to shed some light on this. On Nov 27, 9:53 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Again, I don't think anyone here can answer these questions. This discussion is really outside the realm of android-developers, and should probably be moved elsewhere. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep politics out of this discussion and also realize that there are a number of difference between blocking Twitter, Facebook, Youtube (i will use T,F,Y for short), and blocking a service used for accessing email and market apps on a mobile phone. 1. Sync is not blocked 24 hours of the day like T,F,Y, and randomly starts working throughout the day/night 2. Sync is not blocked in all parts of China, T,F,Y is blocked everywhere 3. T,F,Y have been used for political statements whereas Sync lets us collect mail and download apps on our phones 4. The app market is already filtered depending on what SIM you have in your phone and as far as i know there are no political or porn apps on the market 5. Whilst T,F,Y are arguably very big business, they are not as essential as collecting mail 6. Gmail is not being blocked when using a web browser So there are some really big differences here and there must be an alternative reason for blocking Sync ... thats what I'm trying to find out Is Google aware its being blocked? well they are very aware when all their services got blocked earlier this year as part of the porn crack down and even took the time to make some official statements. Google has also spent a lot of time complying with government request in the past which is why they were allowed to operate here in the first place (they got a lot of stick for that i recall). Also Google has at least one office in China and no doubt some of their staff must be using Android phones . and if they really dont know about this problem well then let me say it again . can someone from Google please let us Android users in China know why we are being blocked? China happens to be the biggest mobile phone market in the world and considering Apple are here now (even with a crippled WiFi 3GS, but a working app store and mail), you would think that Google pays attention to something that makes their phones useless -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi CraigsRace, Thanks for the info on the Chinese android market, its interesting to hear that. Whilst there are alternative markets, personally i would prefer to stick to the official android market. I have of course done many searches on the topic of 'china blocked websites' and am fairly familiar with the which sites are blocked and why, but so far nothing on the specifics of sync being blocked on android phones and certainly nothing more than non official speculations. As i wrote above, this issue renders the phone somewhat useless. without a reason for why sync is being blocked or an understanding as to whether its something that Google is working to resolve within the confines of the government requirements, as a dev or simply an end user, I think it will have meaningful ramification. Thanks again for all the feedback! On Nov 27, 10:58 am, CraigsRace craig...@gmail.com wrote: I had been in communication with some Chinese companies telling me that they are going to set up their own Android Market that would not be blocked and would be available for the OPhone. Unfortunately, none of the companies could show me any evidence that they had anything close to being finished. One company even wanted me to e-mail my apk to them and sign over all rights to the application to them (clearly I wasn't going to do that). I've now stopped communication with them, and I'm waiting to see if any of the companies actually get a Chinese version of the market up and running. If anyone has some inside information on a Chinese Android Market, I would be very greatfull if you would share it. As far as China blocking the Google Android Market, I suspect Dianna is kindly asking you to do a Google search on china blocked websites, or something similar, and go from there. On Nov 27, 1:00 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Agreed Dianne, I appreciate its not the best place to post this, although developers in China that are looking for a long term platform to work on might say otherwise. If you can suggest a more appropriate place I am happy to post there, just I was hoping that at least on the developer group there was someone connected enough to shed some light on this. On Nov 27, 9:53 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Again, I don't think anyone here can answer these questions. This discussion is really outside the realm of android-developers, and should probably be moved elsewhere. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep politics out of this discussion and also realize that there are a number of difference between blocking Twitter, Facebook, Youtube (i will use T,F,Y for short), and blocking a service used for accessing email and market apps on a mobile phone. 1. Sync is not blocked 24 hours of the day like T,F,Y, and randomly starts working throughout the day/night 2. Sync is not blocked in all parts of China, T,F,Y is blocked everywhere 3. T,F,Y have been used for political statements whereas Sync lets us collect mail and download apps on our phones 4. The app market is already filtered depending on what SIM you have in your phone and as far as i know there are no political or porn apps on the market 5. Whilst T,F,Y are arguably very big business, they are not as essential as collecting mail 6. Gmail is not being blocked when using a web browser So there are some really big differences here and there must be an alternative reason for blocking Sync ... thats what I'm trying to find out Is Google aware its being blocked? well they are very aware when all their services got blocked earlier this year as part of the porn crack down and even took the time to make some official statements. Google has also spent a lot of time complying with government request in the past which is why they were allowed to operate here in the first place (they got a lot of stick for that i recall). Also Google has at least one office in China and no doubt some of their staff must be using Android phones . and if they really dont know about this problem well then let me say it again . can someone from Google please let us Android users in China know why we are being blocked? China happens to be the biggest mobile phone market in the world and considering Apple are here now (even with a crippled WiFi 3GS, but a working app store and mail), you would think that Google pays attention to something that makes their phones useless -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2Bunsubs cr...@googlegroups.com
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi Shimsim, You're most welcome. I was curious as to the blocking of Google services by China, so I went ahead and searched it for myself. The reports indicate China is blocking Google in an effort to make Google increase its efforts to filter out porn sites in its China Google Search. So, one would imagine, if Google does manage to filter out the porn for the China Google Search, then China will unblock the Google services, and you'll have a fully working Android phone again. Anyway, it looks like it is out of us mere Android developers control anyway. Cheers. On Nov 27, 4:09 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi CraigsRace, Thanks for the info on the Chinese android market, its interesting to hear that. Whilst there are alternative markets, personally i would prefer to stick to the official android market. I have of course done many searches on the topic of 'china blocked websites' and am fairly familiar with the which sites are blocked and why, but so far nothing on the specifics of sync being blocked on android phones and certainly nothing more than non official speculations. As i wrote above, this issue renders the phone somewhat useless. without a reason for why sync is being blocked or an understanding as to whether its something that Google is working to resolve within the confines of the government requirements, as a dev or simply an end user, I think it will have meaningful ramification. Thanks again for all the feedback! On Nov 27, 10:58 am, CraigsRace craig...@gmail.com wrote: I had been in communication with some Chinese companies telling me that they are going to set up their own Android Market that would not be blocked and would be available for the OPhone. Unfortunately, none of the companies could show me any evidence that they had anything close to being finished. One company even wanted me to e-mail my apk to them and sign over all rights to the application to them (clearly I wasn't going to do that). I've now stopped communication with them, and I'm waiting to see if any of the companies actually get a Chinese version of the market up and running. If anyone has some inside information on a Chinese Android Market, I would be very greatfull if you would share it. As far as China blocking the Google Android Market, I suspect Dianna is kindly asking you to do a Google search on china blocked websites, or something similar, and go from there. On Nov 27, 1:00 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Agreed Dianne, I appreciate its not the best place to post this, although developers in China that are looking for a long term platform to work on might say otherwise. If you can suggest a more appropriate place I am happy to post there, just I was hoping that at least on the developer group there was someone connected enough to shed some light on this. On Nov 27, 9:53 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Again, I don't think anyone here can answer these questions. This discussion is really outside the realm of android-developers, and should probably be moved elsewhere. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:12 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep politics out of this discussion and also realize that there are a number of difference between blocking Twitter, Facebook, Youtube (i will use T,F,Y for short), and blocking a service used for accessing email and market apps on a mobile phone. 1. Sync is not blocked 24 hours of the day like T,F,Y, and randomly starts working throughout the day/night 2. Sync is not blocked in all parts of China, T,F,Y is blocked everywhere 3. T,F,Y have been used for political statements whereas Sync lets us collect mail and download apps on our phones 4. The app market is already filtered depending on what SIM you have in your phone and as far as i know there are no political or porn apps on the market 5. Whilst T,F,Y are arguably very big business, they are not as essential as collecting mail 6. Gmail is not being blocked when using a web browser So there are some really big differences here and there must be an alternative reason for blocking Sync ... thats what I'm trying to find out Is Google aware its being blocked? well they are very aware when all their services got blocked earlier this year as part of the porn crack down and even took the time to make some official statements. Google has also spent a lot of time complying with government request in the past which is why they were allowed to operate here in the first place (they got a lot of stick for that i recall). Also Google has at least one office in China and no doubt some of their staff must be using Android phones . and if they really dont know about this problem well then let me say it again . can someone from Google
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
I can understand China Gov blocks Google sync service. The real strange thing is there are always a few hours sync service can work everyday, can anyone explain this? On 11月25日, 上午8时48分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Well I can safely say the blocking is back in GZ, as of last night no more sync. I was actually thinking how the timing of this problem as matched the launch of the iPhone in China ... makes you wonder ... The only thing worse than the GFW is any lack of explanation from Google ... thanks Google for being open about this problem. Best regards, The proud owner of an Android phone that became useless On Nov 22, 1:01 pm, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using ChinaMobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android inChina, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainlandchina? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en- 隐藏被引用文字 - - 显示引用的文字 - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Reading through this thread it makes me realize why it is great to live in a free country. I really do not know why the people of China put up with your government's actions Let the defending of your Chinese government begin! Shane On Nov 24, 8:06 pm, Jie Hong jie.j.h...@gmail.com wrote: I can understand China Gov blocks Google sync service. The real strange thing is there are always a few hours sync service can work everyday, can anyone explain this? On 11月25日, 上午8时48分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Well I can safely say the blocking is back in GZ, as of last night no more sync. I was actually thinking how the timing of this problem as matched the launch of the iPhone in China ... makes you wonder ... The only thing worse than the GFW is any lack of explanation from Google ... thanks Google for being open about this problem. Best regards, The proud owner of an Android phone that became useless On Nov 22, 1:01 pm, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using ChinaMobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android inChina, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainlandchina? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en-隐藏被引用文字 - - 显示引用的文字 - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Like I said in the post, it's blocked 90% of the time, not all the time, which makes it even stranger. The strangest things though is just how quiet Google is being about this, actually less open that the GFW! Someone please shed some light on whats going on here On Nov 25, 12:06 pm, Jie Hong jie.j.h...@gmail.com wrote: I can understandChinaGov blocks Google sync service. The real strange thing is there are always a few hours sync service can work everyday, can anyone explain this? On 11月25日, 上午8时48分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Well I can safely say the blocking is back in GZ, as of last night no more sync. I was actually thinking how the timing of this problem as matched the launch of the iPhone inChina... makes you wonder ... The only thing worse than the GFW is any lack of explanation from Google ... thanks Google for being open about this problem. Best regards, The proud owner of an Android phone that became useless On Nov 22, 1:01 pm, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using ChinaMobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android inChina, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainlandchina? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en-隐藏被引用文字 - - 显示引用的文字 - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Android Official Site, youtube, facebook, twitter are blocked in China Mainland. But Google Sync, Market are all working fine on my G2. What is blocked and what is not is very clear, when you said 90% effect, it may because the unstable network. I really hope that android could be accessed. I think there is no reason to block android. On Nov 17, 11:13 am, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: For well over 1 month now my ADP G1 has been experiencing connectivity issues in China. Both the market place and gmail are affected by this problem (actually anything requiring account authorization from what i can tell) during which time they are both unaccessible. On average the blocking is in effect 90% of the time but at random periods during the day/night will start to work again. I have ruled out any issues with my phone and judging by the number of other users that are experiencing this problem it seems fairly widespread. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Google aware of this problem? 2. What is the reason for the blocking? 3. Will it continue in the long term? I am really hoping to get an official statement on what is really going on. I would prefer if people didn't jump in and start suggesting VPN options, whilst I am familiar with some workarounds, I would prefer to understand the root of the problem and how it will effect Android in the long term in China. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: The strangest things though is just how quiet Google is being about this, actually less open that the GFW! I doubt any of the Google employees on this group have any clue what the Chinese government does in blocking Google services. I certainly don't. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Politics is very complex. On Nov 26, 2:44 pm, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:18 PM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: The strangest things though is just how quiet Google is being about this, actually less open that the GFW! I doubt any of the Google employees on this group have any clue what the Chinese government does in blocking Google services. I certainly don't. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
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I think this post may be deleted soon.. That is what we called Politics -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Well I can safely say the blocking is back in GZ, as of last night no more sync. I was actually thinking how the timing of this problem as matched the launch of the iPhone in China ... makes you wonder ... The only thing worse than the GFW is any lack of explanation from Google ... thanks Google for being open about this problem. Best regards, The proud owner of an Android phone that became useless On Nov 22, 1:01 pm, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using ChinaMobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android inChina, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainlandchina? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Great Fire Wall works at national and regional levels. Some areas have tighter control. But again, Obama was in China last week so Beijing's GFW measurements had been lessened but since then has been restored to normal, er... tight control. On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Evan JIANG first...@gmail.com wrote: I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using China Mobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android in China, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5. .. On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainland china? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
I was at Shenzhen last week. It is strange that the google sync doesn't work in Shenzhen, but it works perfectly in Beijing. I hadn't modified any settings. And in Beijing, both CNC network and CMCC APN work fine. Best regards, On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:26 AM, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using China Mobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android in China, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainland china? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Well, I cannot access: http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5c590cd22eehl=en On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainland china? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi westmeadboy, i just tried accessing the google sync page from the link you posted and it works fine on my G1 both on WiFi and using China Mobile APN, so maybe its a regional issue too. I'm located in GZ. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use this topic for everyone to post their current experiencing with the issues with Android in China, I just want to keep pushing for some official answers too. More posts please, lets keep the momentum here! Ironically the day after starting this post everything has been working fine but as Hong mentioned, its probably just because President Obama is in town, so things may go back to being blocked soon. Any comment Google? On Nov 20, 4:13 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Well, I cannot access:http://www.google.com/mobile/products/sync.html. Can you (without a VPN)? I know you just want answers, but I think it would help to clarify the problem/symptoms too. How is that some people (you) can log on but others (me) can't? You might also want to try: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/label?lid=7dc8a5... On Nov 20, 2:23 pm, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainland china? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! I just discovered this morning. Everything looks fine~ Hope this sort of blocking wont happen again. Free the Internet! Lame China gov! On Nov 18, 9:22 am, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: As you mentioned siuying, its thesyncservices that are getting blocked. westmeadboy, that is why everything else works fine, but if you need to collect gmail or download a market app or sign in to your account again, its not going to work. Whilst I am opposed toChinablocking facebook, twitter and anything politically sensitive, I understand their opposition to it but what is the logic of blockingAndroid. What I am also trying to understand is WHY and if this is going to be an ongoing issue or something that Google is working on resolving with the government here so that users can at least have a phone that works, even if lets say market apps are censored. Can anyone from the officialAndroidteam or Google shed some light on this subject. I appreciate more people inChinaposting their experience of this problem but more importantly I want the above questions answered. Thanks! On Nov 17, 9:03 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I've been using my HTC Hero in mainlandChinanow for three months. Up until about one week ago, whenever I tried to download an app from the Market there was about a 50-50 chance it would work. When it didnt work there would almost immediately be a notification message saying unable to download, please try later etc. Retrying immediately almost never worked. Some random point later in the day, it would work. However, one week (or maybe 10 days) ago things got much much worse. Its been virtually impossible to download anything. I must have tried over a hundred times. There was one exception 3 days ago where there was a small time window of less than an hour where I managed to download a couple of apps. It was like winning the lottery :) What's worse, a couple of days ago I started getting a message saying I needed to log in to my google account (whenever I opened the Market app). But logging in never succeeds. The internet connection is fine (I can browse the internet over EDGE), but for some reason, a connection cannot be made to the google servers to do account access... On Nov 17, 6:44 pm, siuying siu.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chinagovernment blocked Googlesyncservices inChina. Google probably aware, but I dont think they can help. Note this is not only affectingAndroidbut almost affect every similar services. This may or may not be official, government canblockany service without prior notification! Regards siuying On 11月17日, 上午11時13分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: For well over 1 month now my ADP G1 has been experiencing connectivity issues inChina. Both the market place and gmail are affected by this problem (actually anything requiring account authorization from what i can tell) during which time they are both unaccessible. On average the blocking is in effect 90% of the time but at random periods during the day/night will start to work again. I have ruled out any issues with my phone and judging by the number of other users that are experiencing this problem it seems fairly widespread. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Google aware of this problem? 2. What is the reason for the blocking? 3. Will it continue in the long term? I am really hoping to get an official statement on what is really going on. I would prefer if people didn't jump in and start suggesting VPN options, whilst I am familiar with some workarounds, I would prefer to understand the root of the problem and how it will effectAndroidin the long term inChina. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Because President Obama was in town. Many blocked service were restored, e.g. twitter. However, this won't last for long. What you will need is to get a VPN (buy 1 for about $3/mo) and set up VPN on your Android phones and you are good to go. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:53 AM, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.comwrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! I just discovered this morning. Everything looks fine~ Hope this sort of blocking wont happen again. Free the Internet! Lame China gov! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainland china? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
It has been working for me almost perfectly the last 3 days, but twitter and facebook are still blocked, so maybe they are just working wherever President Obama is, either way I have a a PPTP VPN setup but thats not the point here ... Getting back to the original question .. can someone from GOOGLE or ANDROID speak up and let us know whats going on . PLEASE! some official reason why and whats going to happen in the long term. It's kind of important, this isnt social networking we are talking about, its mail and market and its potentially making Android useless in China. If this is the wrong place to be posting this question then feel free to suggest a more appropriate place, but at least respond. thanks! On Nov 20, 12:54 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Nov 19, 4:53 pm, Gmail addictor tsang.a...@gmail.com wrote: The sync works again! Market also became accessible! WoooW~~ YEAH! Still not working for me - I can't get past the Set up your Google account wizard. I've tried clearing caches of numerous google/htc apps, but still no joy... Can anyone else confirm its working in mainland china? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
Hi China government blocked Google sync services in China. Google probably aware, but I dont think they can help. Note this is not only affecting Android but almost affect every similar services. This may or may not be official, government can block any service without prior notification! Regards siuying On 11月17日, 上午11時13分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: For well over 1 month now my ADP G1 has been experiencing connectivity issues in China. Both the market place and gmail are affected by this problem (actually anything requiring account authorization from what i can tell) during which time they are both unaccessible. On average the blocking is in effect 90% of the time but at random periods during the day/night will start to work again. I have ruled out any issues with my phone and judging by the number of other users that are experiencing this problem it seems fairly widespread. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Google aware of this problem? 2. What is the reason for the blocking? 3. Will it continue in the long term? I am really hoping to get an official statement on what is really going on. I would prefer if people didn't jump in and start suggesting VPN options, whilst I am familiar with some workarounds, I would prefer to understand the root of the problem and how it will effect Android in the long term in China. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
I've been using my HTC Hero in mainland China now for three months. Up until about one week ago, whenever I tried to download an app from the Market there was about a 50-50 chance it would work. When it didnt work there would almost immediately be a notification message saying unable to download, please try later etc. Retrying immediately almost never worked. Some random point later in the day, it would work. However, one week (or maybe 10 days) ago things got much much worse. Its been virtually impossible to download anything. I must have tried over a hundred times. There was one exception 3 days ago where there was a small time window of less than an hour where I managed to download a couple of apps. It was like winning the lottery :) What's worse, a couple of days ago I started getting a message saying I needed to log in to my google account (whenever I opened the Market app). But logging in never succeeds. The internet connection is fine (I can browse the internet over EDGE), but for some reason, a connection cannot be made to the google servers to do account access... On Nov 17, 6:44 pm, siuying siu.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi China government blocked Google sync services in China. Google probably aware, but I dont think they can help. Note this is not only affecting Android but almost affect every similar services. This may or may not be official, government can block any service without prior notification! Regards siuying On 11月17日, 上午11時13分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: For well over 1 month now my ADP G1 has been experiencing connectivity issues in China. Both the market place and gmail are affected by this problem (actually anything requiring account authorization from what i can tell) during which time they are both unaccessible. On average the blocking is in effect 90% of the time but at random periods during the day/night will start to work again. I have ruled out any issues with my phone and judging by the number of other users that are experiencing this problem it seems fairly widespread. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Google aware of this problem? 2. What is the reason for the blocking? 3. Will it continue in the long term? I am really hoping to get an official statement on what is really going on. I would prefer if people didn't jump in and start suggesting VPN options, whilst I am familiar with some workarounds, I would prefer to understand the root of the problem and how it will effect Android in the long term in China. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Android in China - What is going on?
As you mentioned siuying, its the sync services that are getting blocked. westmeadboy, that is why everything else works fine, but if you need to collect gmail or download a market app or sign in to your account again, its not going to work. Whilst I am opposed to China blocking facebook, twitter and anything politically sensitive, I understand their opposition to it but what is the logic of blocking Android. What I am also trying to understand is WHY and if this is going to be an ongoing issue or something that Google is working on resolving with the government here so that users can at least have a phone that works, even if lets say market apps are censored. Can anyone from the official Android team or Google shed some light on this subject. I appreciate more people in China posting their experience of this problem but more importantly I want the above questions answered. Thanks! On Nov 17, 9:03 pm, westmeadboy westmead...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I've been using my HTC Hero in mainland China now for three months. Up until about one week ago, whenever I tried to download an app from the Market there was about a 50-50 chance it would work. When it didnt work there would almost immediately be a notification message saying unable to download, please try later etc. Retrying immediately almost never worked. Some random point later in the day, it would work. However, one week (or maybe 10 days) ago things got much much worse. Its been virtually impossible to download anything. I must have tried over a hundred times. There was one exception 3 days ago where there was a small time window of less than an hour where I managed to download a couple of apps. It was like winning the lottery :) What's worse, a couple of days ago I started getting a message saying I needed to log in to my google account (whenever I opened the Market app). But logging in never succeeds. The internet connection is fine (I can browse the internet over EDGE), but for some reason, a connection cannot be made to the google servers to do account access... On Nov 17, 6:44 pm, siuying siu.y...@gmail.com wrote: Hi China government blocked Google sync services in China. Google probably aware, but I dont think they can help. Note this is not only affecting Android but almost affect every similar services. This may or may not be official, government can block any service without prior notification! Regards siuying On 11月17日, 上午11時13分, shimsim shim@gmail.com wrote: For well over 1 month now my ADP G1 has been experiencing connectivity issues in China. Both the market place and gmail are affected by this problem (actually anything requiring account authorization from what i can tell) during which time they are both unaccessible. On average the blocking is in effect 90% of the time but at random periods during the day/night will start to work again. I have ruled out any issues with my phone and judging by the number of other users that are experiencing this problem it seems fairly widespread. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Google aware of this problem? 2. What is the reason for the blocking? 3. Will it continue in the long term? I am really hoping to get an official statement on what is really going on. I would prefer if people didn't jump in and start suggesting VPN options, whilst I am familiar with some workarounds, I would prefer to understand the root of the problem and how it will effect Android in the long term in China. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
