Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-30 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

*** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also 
 know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad 
 ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam 
seem

Trashing the Assamese people, C'da? How could you accuse me of that? It was 
about the 'ghush-khur's (and in Assam, the context here, majority of these 
people are the Assamese)- the ones that eat up the public money who in turn 
are exploiting the COMMON Assamese people only (people like my friends and 
family). So would you point out where I am trashing THE Assamese people 
and NOT the 'ghus-khur's?

Moreover, what do you think I am, C'da? Bihari/Madraji/Chinese or Italian?

Even Billy Crystal(?) didn't (kinda) have the heart to throw De vito's(?)old 
mama from the train, and you plan to throw me already? I thought you were a 
fair minded person (who believes in 'kothare kotha kaataa')  who believes in 
non-violence, even when he/she loses the battle. :(





From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500

At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote:
  *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have 
been
  reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from?
 
 Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been 
maintaining
 that they are not violent (ie not terrorists).
 I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these
 people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now.


*** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always
learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of
the epihet so often. Thanks for putting the mystery to rest. We owe you one
:-).






  Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand 
up
  for the people of Assam. I try my little part.
 
 What do you think we are? Going against the people of Assam?

*** Why would I think a thing like that A ? I know I annoy people, even
enrage some. But I don't go about casting aspersions on their sincerity.
Oh, occasionally maybe. But only when the arguments become way too
disingenuous, not when they are merely child-like :-).





 In your case,
 you will somehow or the other, find an invisible link to some one in 
Delhi.


*** You are seeing the picture now. I SEE things that many don't. And many
pretend they don't. The INVISIBILITY is a relative term in this instance.






 The rest of us can see the real picture - the real suffering of the 
common
 people of Assam and the real perpetrators who are full blooded Assamese -
 the exploiters.

*** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also
know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad
ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem
like that today. You are always on the side of the good, (mom and apple pie
too). I won't hold it against you. You chastise the Assamese people like a
good mother does her son. All for his good. To have him shape up, mend his
ways.

We know that.

But when a good mother goes about chastising the child , with reason or
without, the child might begin to think of the well intentioned mother as a
nag.  And sometimes even worse. Reminds me of the movie 'I Threw Momma Off
the Train' ( Danny De Vito et al) :-)?

But seriouslty, we need to understand WHY so many in Assam, and much more
of them elsewhere in India, turn CORRUPT. Like the child, they are NOT born
that way. You can understand that, can't you? If it is not an innate
condition, something else is the reason that turns them bad. I would
suggest you give that some thought. I have an ulterior motive in suggesting
that: so you won't perceive *me* as the Dhritarastra or a terrorist :-).



 Assam has 2 major problems. One is corruption at all levels, and 2nd, the
 insurgency problem.

*** I could name a few more. But I will go along with you. (It is no fun
getting you mad!). Guess what, BOTH are related. Has the same mother in the
case of Assam. I'll let you figure out how. But if you can't, let me know.
I'll help out.





 These might sound like a broken
 record to you now, but you seem to be living in utopia, that there is no
 corruption in Assam, and if there is any, it is coming from Delhi.

*** You have really taken to putting words in my mouth A. I hope that is
not a sign that you are running out of arguments :-).  I NEVER, ever, said
there is no corruption in Assam. In fact I was one of the first here in
this net to dwell on that when, some years back we started debating these
issues. But I see the roots of corruption residing in issues that you can't
seem to see. That is where the disjuncture is.

BTW, I live in Florissant, MO. Utopia is in North Lakhimpur :-).






 Do

Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-30 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of

You forgot the main criterion, C'da. They KILL people!




From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500

At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote:
  *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have 
been
  reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from?
 
 Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been 
maintaining
 that they are not violent (ie not terrorists).
 I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these
 people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now.


*** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always
learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of
the epihet so often. Thanks for putting the mystery to rest. We owe you one
:-).






  Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand 
up
  for the people of Assam. I try my little part.
 
 What do you think we are? Going against the people of Assam?

*** Why would I think a thing like that A ? I know I annoy people, even
enrage some. But I don't go about casting aspersions on their sincerity.
Oh, occasionally maybe. But only when the arguments become way too
disingenuous, not when they are merely child-like :-).





 In your case,
 you will somehow or the other, find an invisible link to some one in 
Delhi.


*** You are seeing the picture now. I SEE things that many don't. And many
pretend they don't. The INVISIBILITY is a relative term in this instance.






 The rest of us can see the real picture - the real suffering of the 
common
 people of Assam and the real perpetrators who are full blooded Assamese -
 the exploiters.

*** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also
know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad
ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem
like that today. You are always on the side of the good, (mom and apple pie
too). I won't hold it against you. You chastise the Assamese people like a
good mother does her son. All for his good. To have him shape up, mend his
ways.

We know that.

But when a good mother goes about chastising the child , with reason or
without, the child might begin to think of the well intentioned mother as a
nag.  And sometimes even worse. Reminds me of the movie 'I Threw Momma Off
the Train' ( Danny De Vito et al) :-)?

But seriouslty, we need to understand WHY so many in Assam, and much more
of them elsewhere in India, turn CORRUPT. Like the child, they are NOT born
that way. You can understand that, can't you? If it is not an innate
condition, something else is the reason that turns them bad. I would
suggest you give that some thought. I have an ulterior motive in suggesting
that: so you won't perceive *me* as the Dhritarastra or a terrorist :-).



 Assam has 2 major problems. One is corruption at all levels, and 2nd, the
 insurgency problem.

*** I could name a few more. But I will go along with you. (It is no fun
getting you mad!). Guess what, BOTH are related. Has the same mother in the
case of Assam. I'll let you figure out how. But if you can't, let me know.
I'll help out.





 These might sound like a broken
 record to you now, but you seem to be living in utopia, that there is no
 corruption in Assam, and if there is any, it is coming from Delhi.

*** You have really taken to putting words in my mouth A. I hope that is
not a sign that you are running out of arguments :-).  I NEVER, ever, said
there is no corruption in Assam. In fact I was one of the first here in
this net to dwell on that when, some years back we started debating these
issues. But I see the roots of corruption residing in issues that you can't
seem to see. That is where the disjuncture is.

BTW, I live in Florissant, MO. Utopia is in North Lakhimpur :-).






 Do they
 have a corruption training camp in Delhi where the Assamese 'ghus-khurs' 
go
 and learn how to take 'ghus'?

*** You might HAVE stumbled on to a great piece of revelation here A.  As a
matter of fact there IS a Corruption training camp. Make it an university.
IIC-Delhi. One of the world's best. Indeed many of Assam's luminaries in
the field are graduates from there .And in fact many are adjunct professors
in the extension units of the NE.




 Its high time we come to our senses and eradicate the culprits at home.

*** What do you suggest Assam do? How would YOU go about doing it? How
would you cut off the nutrients that feed the corrupt and sustain them? How
would you put the fear of god in them? How would you turn things around?

I'll tell you this: prayer is not the answer

Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-30 Thread Chan Mahanta

At 11:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
*** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also
 know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad
 ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam
seem





Trashing the Assamese people, C'da? How could you accuse me of that?


These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common Assamese.
They have been doing it for decades and have fattened themselves on the
sweat of the common people. No matter how much money Assam gets, if these
parasites are not locked up, the common Assamese will always suffer, because
the money will never percolate to them. It will either stop at Dispur or go
in some corrupt (flood control, pwd, etc.) engineers' or officials' pockets.


*** The above are all Assamese folks aren't they? Or are you excluding the
not-so-nice  people of Assam when you talk of the 'Assamese people' ?  I
could be wrong, but I thought when you talk of the Assamese people, it
includes the good, the bad and the 'terrorist' too.





It was
about the 'ghush-khur's (and in Assam, the context here, majority of these
people are the Assamese)- the ones that eat up the public money who in turn
are exploiting the COMMON Assamese people only (people like my friends and
family). So would you point out where I am trashing THE Assamese people
and NOT the 'ghus-khur's?


*** But thats why I wrote:--- We also
know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad
ones;


You are being ruthless with me A.






Moreover, what do you think I am, C'da? Bihari/Madraji/Chinese or Italian?


*** Now why would I think of you like that? Gimme a break, would ya?






Even Billy Crystal(?) didn't (kinda) have the heart to throw De vito's(?)old
mama from the train, and you plan to throw me already? I thought you were a
fair minded person (who believes in 'kothare kotha kaataa')  who believes in
non-violence, even when he/she loses the battle. :(


*** That's it. Billy Crystal and Danny De Vito alright.  You saw the movie?
How did you like it?

It was just an illustrationn of a point A. I have no plans to suggest to
anyone to give YOU such a treatment. Honest :-).



c-da




PS: More and more it looks like your definition of 'terrorist' is a work in
progress. But I am sure you will get it right one of these days.


learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of

You forgot the main criterion, C'da. They KILL people!



**






From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500

At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote:
  *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have
been
  reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from?
 
 Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been
maintaining
 that they are not violent (ie not terrorists).
 I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these
 people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now.


*** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always
learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of
the epihet so often. Thanks for putting the mystery to rest. We owe you one
:-).






  Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand
up
  for the people of Assam. I try my little part.
 
 What do you think we are? Going against the people of Assam?

*** Why would I think a thing like that A ? I know I annoy people, even
enrage some. But I don't go about casting aspersions on their sincerity.
Oh, occasionally maybe. But only when the arguments become way too
disingenuous, not when they are merely child-like :-).





 In your case,
 you will somehow or the other, find an invisible link to some one in
Delhi.


*** You are seeing the picture now. I SEE things that many don't. And many
pretend they don't. The INVISIBILITY is a relative term in this instance.






 The rest of us can see the real picture - the real suffering of the
common
 people of Assam and the real perpetrators who are full blooded Assamese -
 the exploiters.

*** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also
know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad
ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem
like that today. You are always on the side of the good, (mom and apple pie
too). I won't hold it against you. You chastise the Assamese people like a
good mother does her son. All for his good. To have him shape up, mend his
ways.

We know that.

But when a good mother goes about chastising

Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-30 Thread Alpana B. Sarangapani

These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common 
 Assamese.They have been doing it for decades and have fattened 
 themselves on thesweat of the common people. No matter how much money 
 Assam gets, if theseparasites are not locked up, the common Assamese 
 will always suffer, becausethe money will never percolate to them. It 
 will either stop at Dispur or goin some corrupt (flood control, pwd, 
 etc.) engineers' or officials' pockets.

*** The above are all Assamese folks aren't they? Or are you excluding 
 thenot-so-nice  people of Assam when you talk of the 'Assamese people' 
?  Icould be wrong, but I thought when you talk of the Assamese people, 
itincludes the good, the bad and the 'terrorist' too.

But what is the context here, C'da? Isn't it about them exploiting the 
COMMON Assamese only? How are you generalizing me trashing the Assamese - 
if I am doing that at all, then it is the ghus-khur surs that I am doing 
it too - and that too for them sucking the blood out of the poor ASSAMESE 
ONLY. To me, it does not matter if the suckers are Assamese or Non-Assamese 
- they are 'sur', period. Would it to you?

There is only 1 inch left for you to call me a woman Badan, and sadly that 
is, in the very wrong context.

with regards,
A very disappointed - Alpana.





From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:44:03 -0500

At 11:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
 *** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We 
 also
  know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the 
bad
  ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam
 seem





 Trashing the Assamese people, C'da? How could you accuse me of that?


These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common Assamese.
They have been doing it for decades and have fattened themselves on the
sweat of the common people. No matter how much money Assam gets, if these
parasites are not locked up, the common Assamese will always suffer, 
because
the money will never percolate to them. It will either stop at Dispur or go
in some corrupt (flood control, pwd, etc.) engineers' or officials' 
pockets.


*** The above are all Assamese folks aren't they? Or are you excluding the
not-so-nice  people of Assam when you talk of the 'Assamese people' ?  I
could be wrong, but I thought when you talk of the Assamese people, it
includes the good, the bad and the 'terrorist' too.





It was
 about the 'ghush-khur's (and in Assam, the context here, majority of 
these
 people are the Assamese)- the ones that eat up the public money who in 
turn
 are exploiting the COMMON Assamese people only (people like my friends 
and
 family). So would you point out where I am trashing THE Assamese people
 and NOT the 'ghus-khur's?


*** But thats why I wrote:--- We also
 know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad
 ones;


You are being ruthless with me A.






 Moreover, what do you think I am, C'da? Bihari/Madraji/Chinese or 
Italian?


*** Now why would I think of you like that? Gimme a break, would ya?






 Even Billy Crystal(?) didn't (kinda) have the heart to throw De 
vito's(?)old
 mama from the train, and you plan to throw me already? I thought you were 
a
 fair minded person (who believes in 'kothare kotha kaataa')  who believes 
in
 non-violence, even when he/she loses the battle. :(


*** That's it. Billy Crystal and Danny De Vito alright.  You saw the movie?
How did you like it?

It was just an illustrationn of a point A. I have no plans to suggest to
anyone to give YOU such a treatment. Honest :-).



c-da




PS: More and more it looks like your definition of 'terrorist' is a work in
progress. But I am sure you will get it right one of these days.


 learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
 Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use 
of
 
 You forgot the main criterion, C'da. They KILL people!



**






 From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam
 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500
 
 At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote:
   *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have
 been
   reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from?
  
  Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been
 maintaining
  that they are not violent (ie not terrorists).
  I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that 
these
  people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now.
 
 
 *** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always
 learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a
 Gandhian (non

Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-30 Thread Alpana Sarangapani

...That is where I come from A. But you are NO Badan, woman or man :-).

My sincere apologies to you if I hurt your fellings however. It NEVER was
my intention.


C'da, Please do not apologize. It will make me feel very small.

I am not hurt at all, just a little angry - as long as you do not combine,
analyze and induct everybody into the group of people that I am talking
about (even though you should have known exactly what I meant), and give
your assumption, I will be fine.

No, I am not including the teacher who MAY be doing private tution etc., I
am including the people who DIRECTLY eat the public money - and those are
NOT the ONLY people that Assam has. Assam has people that they exploit - my
friends and family and many other poor folks - and I am arguing on behalf of
them - then how AM I trashing the Assamese people?

I will be quiet if needed, but would definitely not like to be blamed for
something that I haven't done.

Please do not analyze the (Obvious) reasonings and twist and drag them to
something totally different, like a strangely challenged lawyer would do.
And I said like a strangely challenged, now please do not conclude that I
called you names and/or trash all lawyers too - I want to be on the good
side of all of you. :)

With regards,
--Alpana






- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam




But what is the context here, C'da? Isn't it about them exploiting the
COMMON Assamese only? How are you generalizing me trashing the Assamese -
if I am doing that at all, then it is the ghus-khur surs that I am doing
it too - and that too for them sucking the blood out of the poor ASSAMESE
ONLY. To me, it does not matter if the suckers are Assamese or Non-Assamese
- they are 'sur', period. Would it to you?

There is only 1 inch left for you to call me a woman Badan, and sadly
that
is, in the very wrong context.

with regards,
A very disappointed - Alpana.


*** If I read you correctly, you are saying that a lot of Assamese, those
in power of various sorts, prey on the people of Assam. Some of these
predators are  ghus-khur surs. Others are 'terrorists'.  Yet others might
be ordinary folks, like your school teacher, the policeman on the beat, a
peon.


It just so happens, that most of those in power in Assam today participate
in graft and other forms of corruption. Some do so to enrich themselves to
obscene levels. And there are others who do that barely to survive. There
are those who get into other such practices that might NOT be like bribery
or stealing from the public coffers, but the net effect might be the same.
The low-paid teacher who has to resort to private tuition, in dereliction
of his duties at school, falls in this category. There are many more. Since
you do not differentiate between them, do not even attempt to understand
WHY or HOW they become what they do; and they are plenty of people, almost
all Assamese too; the net effect is that you are trashing the Assamese
people; perched in a high platform, safe from the forces that drive so many
of our folks to resort to these practices.

In that I stand by my use of the word. Even though I won't ever charge you
of intentionally trashing the people of Assam-- all of them that is.


The REASONS for the skyrocketting incidences of corruption are many. They
MUST be taken into consideration in assigning culpability. And if we do not
consider the source that breeds the conditions in which corruption is
thriving in Assam, particularly when we KNOW what they are, then the
finger-pointing becomes UNFAIR, even galling.


That is where I come from A. But you are NO Badan, woman or man :-).

My sincere apologies to you if I hurt your fellings however. It NEVER was
my intention.


c-da



At 1:34 PM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common
 Assamese.They have been doing it for decades and have fattened
 themselves on thesweat of the common people. No matter how much money
 Assam gets, if theseparasites are not locked up, the common Assamese
 will always suffer, becausethe money will never percolate to them. It
 will either stop at Dispur or goin some corrupt (flood control, pwd,
 etc.) engineers' or officials' pockets.

*** The above are all Assamese folks aren't they? Or are you excluding
 thenot-so-nice  people of Assam when you talk of the 'Assamese people'
?  Icould be wrong, but I thought when you talk of the Assamese people,
itincludes the good, the bad and the 'terrorist' too.

But what is the context here, C'da? Isn't it about them exploiting the
COMMON Assamese only? How are you generalizing me trashing the Assamese -
if I am doing that at all, then it is the ghus-khur surs that I am doing
it too - and that too for them sucking the blood out of the poor ASSAMESE
ONLY. To me, it does not matter

Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-29 Thread Alpana Sarangapani

 *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have been
 reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from?

Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been maintaining
that they are not violent (ie not terrorists).
I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these
people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now.

 Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand up
 for the people of Assam. I try my little part.

What do you think we are? Going against the people of Assam? In your case,
you will somehow or the other, find an invisible link to some one in Delhi.
The rest of us can see the real picture - the real suffering of the common
people of Assam and the real perpetrators who are full blooded Assamese -
the exploiters.

These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common Assamese.
They have been doing it for decades and have fattened themselves on the
sweat of the common people. No matter how much money Assam gets, if these
parasites are not locked up, the common Assamese will always suffer, because
the money will never percolate to them. It will either stop at Dispur or go
in some corrupt (flood control, pwd, etc.) engineers' or officials' pockets.

Assam has 2 major problems. One is corruption at all levels, and 2nd, the
insurgency problem. One feeds the other. These might sound like a broken
record to you now, but you seem to be living in utopia, that there is no
corruption in Assam, and if there is any, it is coming from Delhi. Do they
have a corruption training camp in Delhi where the Assamese 'ghus-khurs' go
and learn how to take 'ghus'?

Come on C'da, you are preaching to the choir here, we are from Assam too,
and we've helplessly seen the corrupt all along. The last thing they need is
some moral support and justification for their actions.

Its high time we come to our senses and eradicate the culprits at home. When
that is done, we can collectively go after the thieves in Delhi who are
exploiting us.



- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam


 At 8:28 PM -0500 9/29/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote:
 Why has it been so hard, C'da? In all your magnanimity, you should have
been
 able to point the finger at the culprits, especially when it is so
obvious.


 *** That is probably where my troubles lie A. I can see things that some
don't.
 And the obvious is not always where the problems lie.





 How long do you plan to cover up for such people - your love for them
knows
 no bounds.

 *** Wasn't it Digambar PUngta who said his heart is wide like Jerenga
 Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand up
 for the people of Assam. I try my little part.





 It is there on the first sentence - I pasted it here again:
 
  GUWAHATI, Sept 27 : The State Education Department has  failed to
bring
  much of a change in the educational scenario even after spending  Rs
  15,000 crore in the last 15 years. No other department of the Assam
 
 You don't think I have inside information, do you?


 *** No I don't really think you do Alpana. Never did. I do think you fall
 for the headlines at face value. Unfortunately what is on the surface is
 the symptom only. The causes lie elsewhere. If you never go to that
 'elsewhere' you will never know why the things happen that get you so
 upset.






 
  share. How the whole thing seems to work in your view that is, ending
up
  with what you so passionately point out for our benefit.
 
 Why? Don't we all know it? That was there in the report too:
 
  Official sources told The Sentinel  that corruption and other
 malpractices
  are responsible for the poor show of the  Education Department. The


 *** That is one more example of a facile assessment. Nobody asks WHY
 corruption happens, and why it continues to get worse. And since they
don't
 ask, they will never know either.






 And you asked me how to rectify? Isn't that easy too? Corruption at all
 levels need to go!

 *** I knew you must have had a solution A. Yes indeed--corruption must go.
 But HOW do you go about performing that disappearing trick on corruption
is
 the big question. Indian rope trick won't work though. I have this urge to
 suggest holding a good Indian style democratic election and vote out
 corruption. But I won't get you more angry. I do enough already :-).





 And I hear, everybody thought ULFA was starting to do
 just that (without violence!),

 *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have been
 reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from?

 But seriously WHY did Assam need an ULFA to initiate reform Alpana? Ever
 thought of  that?






 but then the story took a turn for the worse
 and now we even have a bigger mess - corruption with a vengeance! power!
 hatred

Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-28 Thread Alpana Sarangapani




I see here only Dishpur all over the place. Education department is 
mostly managed by the Assamese officials--even IAS--and assamese education 
ministers. It was looted during both Congress and AGP regime!
I guess I failed in emphasizing the sarcasm. Apparently thats how I also see 
- or any unbiased person will see.
The point I was trying to make is that: if someone 
got hit by lightening in Assam, there are people on this net who would tend to 
blame Delhi for it. And they know who they are. :)




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bharat B 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:01 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Schools/Education in 
  Assam
  
  
  
  I see here only Dishpur all over the place. Education department is mostly 
  managed by the Assamese officials--even IAS--and assamese education ministers. 
  It was looted during both Congress and AGP regime!
  
  From: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Subject: Schools/Education in Assam 
  Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:53:59 -0500 
   
  If we search very hard we might find the word "Delhi" written 
  all over the place here. 
   
  C'da: Any comments? 
   
  http://www.sentinelassam.com/ 
  Rs 15,000 cr spent in 15 years, but no marked change in 
  Education Dept 
   
  By a Staff Reporter 
  GUWAHATI, Sept 27 : The State Education Department has failed 
  to bring much of a change in the educational scenario even after spending Rs 
  15,000 crore in the last 15 years. No other department of the Assam Government 
  had received such a huge allocation of funds. 
   
  Schools in Assam are marked by non-existence of drinking water, 
  black board, toilet and other basic necessities. 
   
  Official sources told The Sentinel that corruption and other 
  malpractices are responsible for the poor show of the Education Department. 
  The Department is currently spending a lion's share of its budget for payment 
  of salaries to the huge workforce of teachers. Political interference and 
  corruption in the appointment of teachers have proved to be the last nail in 
  the Department's coffin. 
   
  There are 1.44 lakh teachers at the primary level, and among 
  them a large section of teachers were appointed through the backdoor without 
  taking into account the fund position of the Education Department. On the 
  other hand, about 20 per cent of the teachers have been estimated to be 
  "ghost" teachers. Though the "ghost" teachers only exist in paper, a section 
  of officials of the Education Department are siphoning off money for payment 
  of salaries to these teachers. 
   
  Sources said that the Education Department during the previous 
  years had failed to give the accurate number of teachers in the State before 
  the Assam Assembly. Figures of the Department are quite misleading, sources 
  said. 
   
  Allegations of corruption have once again surfaced following 
  the regularization of a large number of teachers whom the Manoharan Committee 
  report categorized as illegal and irregular. 
   
  About 500 out of 7500 teachers have been made permanent and 
  regular during the last two years. But the Education Department is yet to find 
  out the files regarding appointment of 500 teachers. Sources said that at a 
  time when the Education department has initiated a move to regularise 3500 
  teachers as per the recommendations of the Manoharan Committee, a section of 
  district level officials of the department has reportedly appointed 1000 new 
  teachers. 
   
  


Re: Schools/Education in Assam

2002-09-28 Thread Chan Mahanta

At 11:53 PM -0500 9/27/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote:
If we search very hard we might find the word  Delhi written all
over the place here. C'da: Any comments?


*** Unfortunately you are correct for the most part Alpana. Yes indeed,the
central govt. is hugely responsible for the situation, TOGETHER with the
Assam govt./s, past or present. I know you don't like to hear me say that,
but that is the bitter truth.


*** Now let me ask you the same question. Who do YOU think is/are
responsible? And HOW exactly might that be rectified, and prevented in the
future?

c-da











http://www.sentinelassam.com/

Rs 15,000 cr spent in 15 years, but no marked  change in Education Dept

By a Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, Sept 27 : The State Education Department has  failed to bring
much of a change in the educational scenario even after spending  Rs
15,000 crore in the last 15 years. No other department of the Assam
Government had received such a huge allocation of funds.



Schools in Assam are marked by  non-existence of drinking water, black
board, toilet and other basic  necessities.



Official sources told The Sentinel  that corruption and other malpractices
are responsible for the poor show of the  Education Department. The
Department is currently spending a lion’s share of its  budget for payment
of salaries to the huge workforce of teachers. Political  interference and
corruption in the appointment of teachers have proved to be the  last nail
in the Department’s coffin.



There are 1.44 lakh teachers at the primary  level, and among them a large
section of teachers were appointed through the  backdoor without taking
into account the fund position of the Education  Department. On the other
hand, about 20 per cent of the teachers have been  estimated to be ghost
teachers. Though the ghost teachers only exist in  paper, a section of
officials of the Education Department are siphoning off  money for payment
of salaries to these teachers.



Sources said that the Education Department  during the previous years had
failed to give the accurate number of teachers in  the State before the
Assam Assembly. Figures of the Department are quite  misleading, sources
said.



Allegations of corruption have once again  surfaced following the
regularization of a large number of teachers whom the  Manoharan Committee
report categorized as illegal and irregular.



About 500 out of 7500 teachers have been  made permanent and regular
during the last two years. But the Education  Department is yet to find
out the files regarding appointment of 500 teachers.  Sources said that at
a time when the Education department has initiated a move  to regularise
3500 teachers as per the recommendations of the Manoharan  Committee, a
section of district level officials of the department has  reportedly
appointed 1000 new teachers.