Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
My comments on these matters is simple. We (newbies or experienced) still needs to learn from our experiences. Personally, I'm very appreciated when I asked a dumb question, someone replies me with the link to the documentation. Mostly it helps, but again, the documentation is not perfect. I think it's our job to make a perfect documentation so it will help others to understand more. Thanks Isianto ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
Jeremy McNamara wrote: Mark Spencer wrote: To everyone who spends time in #asterisk or #asterisk-bugs or basically anything with #asterisk in its name, I want to implore you to please treat new users with respect, and act as good representatives of the Asterisk community. Recently I have had more reports of new users being severely turned off of the project in general due to the comments, reactions and attitudes of a few members of the asterisk channels. The success of the Asterisk project depends upon users and developers, and remember that every one of you, even the most experienced Asterisk users were at one point a newbie and needed some hand holding from someone. Ok, then someone has to step up and make absolutely sure Asterisk has valid up-to-date documentation that newbies know how to find. Then the link(s) to that documentation should always show up in the topic of said IRC channels. In my book, respect is earned. They can earn respect by asking informed questions, but if the documentation is incorrect, what's the point? Maybe someone can run a FAQ Bot in the channel as other channels do. As soon as you join, the Bot /msg's you a brief list of commands instructions on how to ask for help or resourced to look for. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
Joseph Finley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone can run a FAQ Bot in the channel as other channels do. As soon as you join, the Bot /msg's you a brief list of commands instructions on how to ask for help or resourced to look for. That would be extremely annoying for people who know how to quit an unused IRC client. People who camp out in the channel all year wouldn't be affected by the noisy bot, of course. They would also not benefit from the automated entry message. I send back an automated message in response to a /msg. That might result in a /msg loop from if the bot sends unsolicited messages and then responds to replies. I know of several other people who have resorted to sending an auto-response to unsolicited /msg text, so the bot's designers would have to keep that sort of thing in mind. -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
Joseph Finley wrote: (B (B Maybe someone can run a FAQ Bot in the channel (B as other channels do. As soon as you join, the (B Bot /msg's you a brief list of commands (B instructions on how to ask for help or (B resourced to look for. (B (BWell, maybe you haven't been around for long enough to (Bremember it, but we did have at least two different bots (Bin #asterisk. It was fun for a while but in the end people (Bgot bored and annoyed and the bots were removed. (B (BI spent quite a bit of time feeding one of the bots with (Bthe sort of info you'd return to a newbie asking a FAQ, (Broughly 100 entries or so. Back then we didn't have the (BWiki yet. In the end all that info went down with the (Bremoval of the bot. Today, with the Wiki in place, the (Btime working on a bot would almost certainly better be (Bspent updating the Wiki. (B (Brgds (Bbenjk (B (B-- (BSunrise Telephone Systems Ltd (B9F Shibuya Daikyo Bldg., 1-13-5 Shibuya, Shibuya-ku, Tokyo, Japan (B (B__ (BGANBARE! NIPPON! (BYahoo! JAPAN$B!!(BJOC OFFICIAL INTERNET PORTAL SITE (Bhttp://mail.ganbare-nippon.yahoo.co.jp/ (B (B___ (BAsterisk-Users mailing list (B[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bhttp://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users (BTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: (B http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
Quoting Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Joseph Finley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone can run a FAQ Bot in the channel as other channels do. As soon as you join, the Bot /msg's you a brief list of commands instructions on how to ask for help or resourced to look for. That would be extremely annoying for people who know how to quit an unused IRC client. People who camp out in the channel all year wouldn't be affected by the noisy bot, of course. They would also not benefit from the automated entry message. I send back an automated message in response to a /msg. That might result in a /msg loop from if the bot sends unsolicited messages and then responds to replies. I know of several other people who have resorted to sending an auto-response to unsolicited /msg text, so the bot's designers would have to keep that sort of thing in mind. I would say that a short precise msg on join would be a great and useful feature. This is ofcourse meant for new users who at least see this once - even if they indeed camp in the channel. Also - keep a !help trigger in the topic at all time and make this spew out the same information. It could even be a private msg to the bot /msg astbot !help and a full set of commands in order to get started. Just links to the wiki and the most common startup documents and what not. And a link to http://www.asteriskdocs.org which personally took me a few days to find... Something along those lines would be a great help to get around the annoyance I seem smell on irc and these lists ;) Being on EFnet for 9+ years and once in #freebsd to mention a channel out of the ordinary... the * community is doing very well - also on irc. But it's certainly a valid point of Mark to make. My 2 eurocents... PS: I wont even get into the whole snapping at newcomers because common sense and a little patience will do it in 3-nines of the cases - so let's just behave like adults and we'll be fine :) -- avizion on irc.freenode.org #asterisk ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
Mark Spencer wrote: To everyone who spends time in #asterisk or #asterisk-bugs or basically anything with #asterisk in its name, I want to implore you to please treat new users with respect, and act as good representatives of the Asterisk community. Recently I have had more reports of new users being severely turned off of the project in general due to the comments, reactions and attitudes of a few members of the asterisk channels. The success of the Asterisk project depends upon users and developers, and remember that every one of you, even the most experienced Asterisk users were at one point a newbie and needed some hand holding from someone. Ok, then someone has to step up and make absolutely sure Asterisk has valid up-to-date documentation that newbies know how to find. Then the link(s) to that documentation should always show up in the topic of said IRC channels. In my book, respect is earned. They can earn respect by asking informed questions, but if the documentation is incorrect, what's the point? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Jeremy McNamara wrote: Ok, then someone has to step up and make absolutely sure Asterisk has valid up-to-date documentation that newbies know how to find. Then the link(s) to that documentation should always show up in the topic of said IRC channels. In my book, respect is earned. They can earn respect by asking informed questions, but if the documentation is incorrect, what's the point? It might be a good idea to have the email that mailman sends back include links to the online resources and a note about post a stupid question, you won't get an answer. just a thought. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
I think Mark's post dealt with attitude rather than information. For example, if someone looked at the old nufone site and, unable to find rate anywhere, sent a support request, you had three options: 1. Reply with information, such as Xc/min to US48 2. Don't reply 3. Reply with a fairly useless Look harder The first reply would have been ideal. The second option wouldn't have been good, but still better than the third option... but that was the one you chose. No hard feelings (just don't count on getting me as a customer) -- but my point is that if the questions bother you so much, you have the choice not to answer them, rather than to frustrate people and turn them off to asterisk. By not answering questions you don't want to answer, you'll save yourself a lot of time. I do agree with you on one point though: Respect IS earned. You haven't earned mine, but I would think couldn't care less about that. -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette Ok, then someone has to step up and make absolutely sure Asterisk has valid up-to-date documentation that newbies know how to find. Then the link(s) to that documentation should always show up in the topic of said IRC channels. In my book, respect is earned. They can earn respect by asking informed questions, but if the documentation is incorrect, what's the point? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
SOAPBOX Thank you, Jay. As the object of Jeremy's lazy ass response to that very question, I couldn't agree more. (Search the archives if you're not sure what I'm referring to.) I will not be giving Nufone any business due to his attitude. I myself am relatively new to Asterisk (using it about 4 months now), and occasionally I have stupid questions as well. Sometimes the answers were right in front of my face and I failed to find them. Fine. I'll admit it. But we are here supposedly as a community to promote and proliferate the *EXCELLENT* product called Asterisk. If we don't work together as a community, give support where it's needed, and handhold where we must, I'm afraid we can expect this project to go the way of so many other open source endeavors--to the bit bucket. I hope others share my opinions--that we should encourage questions, even those that seem obvious, or those whose answers could have been found in the wiki, for it only strengthens the community and furthers the success of Asterisk. /SOAPBOX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mark's post dealt with attitude rather than information. For example, if someone looked at the old nufone site and, unable to find rate anywhere, sent a support request, you had three options: 1. Reply with information, such as Xc/min to US48 2. Don't reply 3. Reply with a fairly useless Look harder The first reply would have been ideal. The second option wouldn't have been good, but still better than the third option... but that was the one you chose. No hard feelings (just don't count on getting me as a customer) -- but my point is that if the questions bother you so much, you have the choice not to answer them, rather than to frustrate people and turn them off to asterisk. By not answering questions you don't want to answer, you'll save yourself a lot of time. I do agree with you on one point though: Respect IS earned. You haven't earned mine, but I would think couldn't care less about that. -Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette Ok, then someone has to step up and make absolutely sure Asterisk has valid up-to-date documentation that newbies know how to find. Then the link(s) to that documentation should always show up in the topic of said IRC channels. In my book, respect is earned. They can earn respect by asking informed questions, but if the documentation is incorrect, what's the point? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
3. Reply with a fairly useless Look harder As a new list member, I'm going to burn a few bridges here, but I don't really care. I entered this list without an opinion on whether it is worthwhile to be here, and here's my observation: there's a problem here, and that's for certain. I've been subscribed to this list for less than a day, and I've already seen more than one post that talks down to people. None of us knows it *all*, and you people that write condescending replies have issues. What's the matter? Don't get enough respect at home so you have to try and demand it from people that are *simply asking for assitance*? If you don't like the question, the answer is obvious: don't answer it. Good or bad documentation is irrelevant. And before some of you start trying to bash me too, keep this in mind: I have well over 10 years of data networking experience with major installations (Pentagon, and other, 10,000 drop plus organizations), as well as what can easily be considered expert, near-expert or, at a minimum, advanced level skills with more than one operating system, including Linux, plus telephony experience (ala NEC). And I can easily see how some questions may have answers in the documentation, but that doesn't mean that they make sense to everyone. So here's a suggestion: chuck the attitude and help where you want, and keep quiet when you don't want to assist. Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything here. Talking down to people just makes you look like an ass, and does, in fact, turn others off not only from what is an *excellent* application, but from the community itself and that serves NOBODY. -Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
On 02:51 PM 7/26/2004, Jeremy McNamara wrote: In my book, respect is earned. They can earn respect by asking informed questions, but if the documentation is incorrect, what's the point? I've always wondered where this particular phrase came from. I generally hear it used mostly in arenas where there is a subset of people who feel they are superior in some way to people not in their subset. I think the fact that almost anyone can identify themselves with a subset of people in which they are superior to people outside of that subset. However, does this give them the right to disrespect the other people? I've always said 'disrespect is earned'. I never was a follower of the earned philosophy. Especially in the commercial environment, respect and treating your customers, vendors, suppliers, etc. with respect is nearly as important (and more so in the service field) as your product. Digium sells product which relies upon software which is given away free of charge. While Digium offers support to people who buy their hardware products, they definitely don't have the resources to provide the level of support needed for new users to begin using Asterisk. Thus they rely upon the community to do so. So actions taken by people who represent the Asterisk product (whether it's via IRC, this mail list, or any other public venue sponsored by Digium) reflects upon Digium, and has a real effect upon tier commercial success. So, I'm not at all surprised by Mark's request to actually respect people on the IRC (and on this list as well, I'm sure Mark would agree) regardless of the amount of time they have spent with Asterisk up to the point. Sure, if they turn out to be obnoxious and disruptive, well, disrespect is earned I always say. -Chris ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 26 July 2004 08:10 pm, Mark Woods wrote: So here's a suggestion: chuck the attitude and help where you want, and keep quiet when you don't want to assist. Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything here. Talking down to people just makes you look like an ass, and does, in fact, turn others off not only from what is an *excellent* application, but from the community itself and that serves NOBODY. -Mark Hear! Hear! It's one thing to earn respect, but another to treat others with respect. Or as someone I knew said, treat others the way you'd like them to treat you. Fortunately we're nothing like some lists where the flames are on high, with a light trigger finger. But I too see way to much attitude. The results of the arrogant. As if I walked into your property and you had to defend it against unwanted people. Being really good at something does not automatically give you the right to treat people poorly. If anything it should make you more humble, having realized how far you had to go, to know what you know. I've been in computers for over 30 years and I see a lot of dumb things. But I try to take my time to answer or I shut up if I don't feel up to it. Hell today someone called me asking for Linux help, and he could not even tell if he was using Linux or Windows. Realizing he would need a lot of hand holding I took the call and told him what list he could go to and get some help. I ended with If you get stuck give me a call. Now I really don't want to help someone like that right now. I'm too busy. But 5 minutes of my time gave him a solution, and we're both better for it. You never know what good can come out of being helpful... That's how I got LA County as a customer. Guy calls at 10 past 6 and I'm done for the day. He asks really dumb questions, and I think I got to get rid of this guy. But I answer him politely and make sure he's better off. At the end he says Oh, by the way. I'm the head of IT for LA County, could you come in and help us? - -- Steve They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBBamCljK16xgETzkRAvsJAKChnBCXfnVMKTiP8A20rpRCBbuVxgCggWnj DloHgJ1yNUtighgCBTcQI5g= =hpOO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Etiquette
Just for the heck of it, I am going to throw my 2 cents in here. Choose your particular currency for its value. I've been in and around the Asterisk community for some time now (approximately a year) and have seen the number of users increase almost exponentially. I know many of the most active contributors, and I think I'm at least known of, by most. I've seen people talking down to other people, and I mostly ignore it. You have to realize that even though we are a community, any online community has its fair share of guru's. These guru's have spent the time to learn a particular system without nearly as many resource materials as there are available now. These people have spent possibly hundreds of hours learning the system through trial and error, and yes, I'm sure a fair amount of time spent on IRC asking questions, and having them answered. What I think the problem is, is that people expect not only to have their hands held by these people, but often they expect to be carried. There are many new users that install Asterisk (or attempt) and fail because they haven't read *any* of the introductory documentation. I realize that the documentation is not always 100% clear, but I find most of it to be quite good for what *is* there. The wiki is probably the most often referred to resource, along with a couple of key websites, which need to be referred to often. What I think irks the people who have put their time in is questions that can be *EASILY* answered with about 5 seconds worth of searching and googling. I can understand the frustration many new users find, as I've both seen it and experienced it, but these are things that *ANY* large community has. Have you ever spent time on a large newsgroup? You'll find much much worse than you find here. The trolling is quite low for a mailing list as large as Asterisk's. I think if time is spent doing a little bit of research and attempting to *understand*, and not just *get working*, this system we call Asterisk, and when asking a question, knowing it is an informed, educated question, you'll go much further to gain respect from the guru's. I am no guru. I'm just a telecom newbie (currently completing my third year of telecommuncations technology) who just loves the possibilties Asterisk brings to my table. I can feel the new users pain with attempting to understand Asterisk. I still don't know many, many parts of it, but before I go asking a question in the IRC channel, or the mailing list, I *atleast* spend 5-10 minutes searching the mailing lists and the wiki. I think you'll find with a little bit of searching, that most of the most common elements of Asterisk are documented enough to a degree to get you most of the way there. If something doesn't make sense, really try and think of why it might not work, and ask an informed and educated question. You'll always have the people who say go search Google or search the wiki. Of course that is what you should do, but I think if you spend the time trying to learn it on your own just a little bit before going and asking for your hand to be held, you'll find the community much friendlier and willing to help you when you need the help. If you've actually spent the time to read my post, wow :) Leif Madsen http://www.asteriskdocs.org ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Antti Lohikoski wrote: and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Maybe your username is invalid. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Antti Lohikoski wrote: and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Maybe your username is invalid. Install identd and allow TCP port 113 inbound access and it'll work - if you play about with your username it'll probably work too. Kind Regards, Chris Bond ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
Hi! And thanks for helping me out here. Ok, I have an invalid username - how do I get a valid username? Thx Antti -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 3:17 PM On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Antti Lohikoski wrote: and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Maybe your username is invalid. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
Please see my previous post - if you install identd it will give you a valid name. Identd is quite common service and usually very safe to open remotely. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Antti Lohikoski Sent: 09 July 2004 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net Hi! And thanks for helping me out here. Ok, I have an invalid username - how do I get a valid username? Thx Antti -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 3:17 PM On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Antti Lohikoski wrote: and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Maybe your username is invalid. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
Please see my previous post - if you install identd it will give you a valid name. Identd is quite common service and usually very safe to open remotely. I'm using happily irc.freenode.net without any identd daemon ... and my firewall does iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 113 -j REJECT iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 113 -j REJECT anyway ... ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On 09/07/2004 at 13:25 Chris Bond wrote: On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Antti Lohikoski wrote: and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Maybe your username is invalid. Install identd and allow TCP port 113 inbound access and it'll work - if you play about with your username it'll probably work too. Kind Regards, Chris Bond Identd is NOT required Andy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
I changed from mIRC options to Enable Identd server. Is that enough or is Identd some little script or what? -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 3:37 PM Please see my previous post - if you install identd it will give you a valid name. Identd is quite common service and usually very safe to open remotely. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Antti Lohikoski Sent: 09 July 2004 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net Hi! And thanks for helping me out here. Ok, I have an invalid username - how do I get a valid username? Thx Antti -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 3:17 PM On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Antti Lohikoski wrote: and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Maybe your username is invalid. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On Friday 09 July 2004 06:54, Antti Lohikoski wrote: 1. The irc.freenode.net server gives me Couldn't look up your hostname and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) This is *specifically* why I wish bkw (Brian West) would turn off that flag on the channel. In order to combat spam bots infiltrating the channel, it is set up to only allow freenode-registered nicknames. In order to register your nickname with freenode, send a /msg nickserv help command once you're on freenode. NickServ is a Nickname Server bot -- it will let you register a nickname and set a password so your nickname can't be stolen. Identd is *not* required. Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Friday 09 July 2004 06:54, Antti Lohikoski wrote: 1. The irc.freenode.net server gives me Couldn't look up your hostname and No identd (auth) response followed with Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) This is *specifically* why I wish bkw (Brian West) would turn off that flag on the channel. In order to combat spam bots infiltrating the channel, it is set up to only allow freenode-registered nicknames. In order to register your nickname with freenode, send a /msg nickserv help command once you're on freenode. NickServ is a Nickname Server bot -- it will let you register a nickname and set a password so your nickname can't be stolen. Identd is *not* required. Ok guys, enough FUD and wrong answers. He cannot get on, because his USERNAME has invalid characters antti.loh is not valid. You cannot have . in your username. This is NOTHING to do with the channel requiring you to register with nickserv, this is NOTHING to do with ident. Antti, in your IRC client, you are given a choice of nickname, and realname/username. Make sure both of these are a-z/0-9, no special characters. You should be fine. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
This is all I get. Can I send /msg -messages? My name has no symbols like ¤%¤%¤%... * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (6667) - -irc.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname... - -irc.freenode.net- *** Checking ident - -irc.freenode.net- *** Couldn't look up your hostname - -irc.freenode.net- *** No identd (auth) response - Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) - * Disconnected -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On Friday 09 July 2004 09:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He cannot get on, because his USERNAME has invalid characters antti.loh is not valid. You cannot have . in your username. This is NOTHING to do with the channel requiring you to register with nickserv, this is NOTHING to do with ident. You are correct; I missed the invalid username part, or rather mistook it for the lack of register. Apologies to all. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
NO NO NO.change your EMAIL ADDRESS. You cannot have a . in your email address. Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all I get. Can I send /msg -messages? My name has no symbols like ¤%¤%¤%... * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (6667) - -irc.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname... - -irc.freenode.net- *** Checking ident - -irc.freenode.net- *** Couldn't look up your hostname - -irc.freenode.net- *** No identd (auth) response - Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) - * Disconnected -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) Remove the dot in your username. Maybe you make it antilope :-) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
To fix that, I did have to enable identd in my mIRC options and forward the TCP port to my machine (as noted previously). Some IRC servers in the freenode network require it, some don't. So, get that working and make sure your nickname includes only alphanumeric characters, and you'll be fine. At 06:46 AM 7/9/2004, you wrote: This is all I get. Can I send /msg -messages? My name has no symbols like ¤%¤%¤%... * Connecting to irc.freenode.net (6667) - -irc.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname... - -irc.freenode.net- *** Checking ident - -irc.freenode.net- *** Couldn't look up your hostname - -irc.freenode.net- *** No identd (auth) response - Closing Link: StiX (Invalid username [~antti.loh]) - * Disconnected -- Terveisin: Antti Lohikoski Sinipiianpolku 12 02100 ESPOO GSM +358 (0) 50 337 5999 koti +358 (0) 9 46 16 84 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC channel #asterisk on irc.freenode.net
On Friday 09 July 2004 11:21, programmer_ted wrote: To fix that, I did have to enable identd in my mIRC options and forward the TCP port to my machine (as noted previously). Some IRC servers in the freenode network require it, some don't. So, get that working and make sure your nickname includes only alphanumeric characters, and you'll be fine. Freenode.net does *not* require identd; I do not run it and I am in a half dozen channels there without any problems. I connect to any number of servers and have never had issue with it... if there are servers requiring it, they are broken. 14:14 !irc.freenode.net *** Checking ident 14:14 !irc.freenode.net *** No identd (auth) response 14:14 -!- Welcome to the freenode IRC Network tzanger And from a /whois: 14:15 -!- tzanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Andrew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
If you are in windows http://www.mirc.com/ if you are in linux, I use http://www.xchat.org/ in fact it has a windows version too all you need to do is download it and install it once it's up and running all you need to do to enter a room is /join #[room name] On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 11:04 -0400, Chris HARIGA wrote: Hi, Can someone tell me how to register and enter in irc.freenode.net chat? Thank You for your time, Chris HARIGA ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
When did U join chat community last time??? Take a look... :) Chris HARIGA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Asterisk Mail Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC If you are in windows http://www.mirc.com/ if you are in linux, I use http://www.xchat.org/ in fact it has a windows version too all you need to do is download it and install it once it's up and running all you need to do to enter a room is /join #[room name] On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 11:04 -0400, Chris HARIGA wrote: Hi, Can someone tell me how to register and enter in irc.freenode.net chat? Thank You for your time, Chris HARIGA ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
From the archive on June 18: Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:23:57 -0500 From: Brian K. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] #asterisk is +r now, meaning register your nick with nickserv How do you register? do this /msg NickServ help or /msg NickServ register [yourpassword] You will be required to /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [yourpassword] before you can join #asterisk. I'm sorry we had to do this but the spambots that join and part 100+ times per hour were getting way out of hand. Thanks, Brian On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Chris HARIGA wrote: When did U join chat community last time??? Take a look... :) Chris HARIGA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Asterisk Mail Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC If you are in windows http://www.mirc.com/ if you are in linux, I use http://www.xchat.org/ in fact it has a windows version too all you need to do is download it and install it once it's up and running all you need to do to enter a room is /join #[room name] On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 11:04 -0400, Chris HARIGA wrote: Hi, Can someone tell me how to register and enter in irc.freenode.net chat? Thank You for your time, Chris HARIGA ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
You can /msg nickserv register password You will need to /msg nickserv identify password Before you can join #asterisk Bkw Ps this was covered in the mailing list archives not more than 2 weeks ago. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris HARIGA Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Hi, Can someone tell me how to register and enter in irc.freenode.net chat? Thank You for your time, Chris HARIGA ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
brian wrote: You can /msg nickserv register password You will need to /msg nickserv identify password Before you can join #asterisk For the lamers: don't use password as your password, use something semi original...mkay Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
I don't really go to the asterisk irc room that must I'm almost always on in other rooms -Stephen On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 11:48 -0400, Chris HARIGA wrote: When did U join chat community last time??? Take a look... :) Chris HARIGA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Asterisk Mail Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC If you are in windows http://www.mirc.com/ if you are in linux, I use http://www.xchat.org/ in fact it has a windows version too all you need to do is download it and install it once it's up and running all you need to do to enter a room is /join #[room name] On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 11:04 -0400, Chris HARIGA wrote: Hi, Can someone tell me how to register and enter in irc.freenode.net chat? Thank You for your time, Chris HARIGA ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Sorry forgot about the register thing I did it awhile ago and forgot about it -Stephen On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 13:13 -0400, Jeremy McNamara wrote: brian wrote: You can /msg nickserv register password You will need to /msg nickserv identify password Before you can join #asterisk For the lamers: don't use password as your password, use something semi original...mkay Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Its far from exclusive. I sent an email telling everyone what they must do. Its now +r which means you need to register with NickServ and Identify before you join. This was needed due to the spambots and the few abusive people. bkw - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] IRC It seems the #asterisk channel on IRC has become an exclusive club. Suddenly it gives: An access level of [5] is required for [INVITE] on #asterisk irc://freenode/%23asterisk What's up? Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
You need to be registered with nickserv to join. We had spam bots joining and leaving all day, and this fixes the problem. /msg nickserv register pass doughecka Steve Underwood wrote: It seems the #asterisk channel on IRC has become an exclusive club. Suddenly it gives: An access level of [5] is required for [INVITE] on #asterisk irc://freenode/%23asterisk What's up? Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
??? Topic (#asterisk): The Asterisk Open Source PBX || Please register with nickserv to join #asterisk ??? Topic (#asterisk): set by kram at Fri Jun 18 14:27:17 2004 bkw - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] IRC It seems the #asterisk channel on IRC has become an exclusive club. Suddenly it gives: An access level of [5] is required for [INVITE] on #asterisk irc://freenode/%23asterisk What's up? Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Coppice is right. It is not enough to be registered with nickserv ... On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 18:27, Brian K. West wrote: Its far from exclusive. I sent an email telling everyone what they must do. Its now +r which means you need to register with NickServ and Identify before you join. This was needed due to the spambots and the few abusive people. bkw - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] IRC It seems the #asterisk channel on IRC has become an exclusive club. Suddenly it gives: An access level of [5] is required for [INVITE] on #asterisk irc://freenode/%23asterisk What's up? Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Brian K. West wrote: Its far from exclusive. I sent an email telling everyone what they must do. Its now +r which means you need to register with NickServ and Identify before you join. This was needed due to the spambots and the few abusive people. Sounds like a bastardisation of what IRC is meant to be. IRCNET, you know it makes sense - no nickservs, no dodgy bots etc. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. Regards, Steve Michael Bielicki wrote: Coppice is right. It is not enough to be registered with nickserv ... On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 18:27, Brian K. West wrote: Its far from exclusive. I sent an email telling everyone what they must do. Its now +r which means you need to register with NickServ and Identify before you join. This was needed due to the spambots and the few abusive people. bkw - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] IRC It seems the #asterisk channel on IRC has become an exclusive club. Suddenly it gives: An access level of [5] is required for [INVITE] on #asterisk irc://freenode/%23asterisk What's up? Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
2 different things, you should be able to join a channel even if nickserv didn't authenticate you yet!!! but this is OT ;-))) Marc At 20:12 19.06.2004, you wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Damn dude, you are a worse troll than me... :P The fact is, freenode is so laggy with, but not restricted to, nickserv registrations... that the thing called perform in most irc clients is messed up, when using it to join some channels. Which can be useful when you are not on a very stable or 24/7 connection, such as dial-up or hong-kong based broadband connections ;) Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. Jeremy McNamara wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Michael Sandee wrote: Damn dude, you are a worse troll than me... :P The fact is, freenode is so laggy with, but not restricted to, nickserv registrations... that the thing called perform in most irc clients is messed up, when using it to join some channels. Which can be useful when you are not on a very stable or 24/7 connection, such as dial-up or hong-kong based broadband connections ;) Then people need to complain to freenode. Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. fight? they already know #asterisk exists. Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Its way toolate for +s bkw - Original Message - From: Michael Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Damn dude, you are a worse troll than me... :P The fact is, freenode is so laggy with, but not restricted to, nickserv registrations... that the thing called perform in most irc clients is messed up, when using it to join some channels. Which can be useful when you are not on a very stable or 24/7 connection, such as dial-up or hong-kong based broadband connections ;) Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. Jeremy McNamara wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Sorry to break your bubble... but: No it isn't. These bots come from owned hosts, and get the channel name from the server info which happily lists all non-secret channels. The operators actively battle the bots by k-lining them. (Or well, they are supposed to do this slave job for us atleast, it's the only thing they have to do apart from spying on us). These bots do NOT cache the channel names. They get them after connecting to the server. (Yes I know... we reversed some of them recently) P.S. Since you are a guy with ops YOU made the mistake by not having the channel +s in the first place. And thanks for making it +s now, lets hope it gets resolved now for the common good. Regards, Mike Brian K. West wrote: Its way toolate for +s bkw - Original Message - From: Michael Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Damn dude, you are a worse troll than me... :P The fact is, freenode is so laggy with, but not restricted to, nickserv registrations... that the thing called perform in most irc clients is messed up, when using it to join some channels. Which can be useful when you are not on a very stable or 24/7 connection, such as dial-up or hong-kong based broadband connections ;) Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. Jeremy McNamara wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. fight? they already know #asterisk exists. Aye, such big words for a guy who has to ask in the channel what +s means... I'll refer to my other reply for the details. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
We set +s for more than a day the spam bots kept coming... So +s wasn't working. We did -s so you could atleast see the channel topic telling you to register. I added it back today but that doesn't solve the problem. And you didn't break my bubble you just were not there to see that +s didn't do a damn thing. bkw - Original Message - From: Michael Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Sorry to break your bubble... but: No it isn't. These bots come from owned hosts, and get the channel name from the server info which happily lists all non-secret channels. The operators actively battle the bots by k-lining them. (Or well, they are supposed to do this slave job for us atleast, it's the only thing they have to do apart from spying on us). These bots do NOT cache the channel names. They get them after connecting to the server. (Yes I know... we reversed some of them recently) P.S. Since you are a guy with ops YOU made the mistake by not having the channel +s in the first place. And thanks for making it +s now, lets hope it gets resolved now for the common good. Regards, Mike Brian K. West wrote: Its way toolate for +s bkw - Original Message - From: Michael Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Damn dude, you are a worse troll than me... :P The fact is, freenode is so laggy with, but not restricted to, nickserv registrations... that the thing called perform in most irc clients is messed up, when using it to join some channels. Which can be useful when you are not on a very stable or 24/7 connection, such as dial-up or hong-kong based broadband connections ;) Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. Jeremy McNamara wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
Well, it does do a damn thing in the long term. So keep it there. People who were not clueful enough to figure out the +r by themselves sure wouldn't have figured out the topic either... ;) (Sorry for all the troll/flame, but the tread started with a silly reply with a stupid analogy.) Brian K. West wrote: We set +s for more than a day the spam bots kept coming... So +s wasn't working. We did -s so you could atleast see the channel topic telling you to register. I added it back today but that doesn't solve the problem. And you didn't break my bubble you just were not there to see that +s didn't do a damn thing. bkw - Original Message - From: Michael Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Sorry to break your bubble... but: No it isn't. These bots come from owned hosts, and get the channel name from the server info which happily lists all non-secret channels. The operators actively battle the bots by k-lining them. (Or well, they are supposed to do this slave job for us atleast, it's the only thing they have to do apart from spying on us). These bots do NOT cache the channel names. They get them after connecting to the server. (Yes I know... we reversed some of them recently) P.S. Since you are a guy with ops YOU made the mistake by not having the channel +s in the first place. And thanks for making it +s now, lets hope it gets resolved now for the common good. Regards, Mike Brian K. West wrote: Its way toolate for +s bkw - Original Message - From: Michael Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IRC Damn dude, you are a worse troll than me... :P The fact is, freenode is so laggy with, but not restricted to, nickserv registrations... that the thing called perform in most irc clients is messed up, when using it to join some channels. Which can be useful when you are not on a very stable or 24/7 connection, such as dial-up or hong-kong based broadband connections ;) Other than that, it sucks to have it this way... but I know it is a problem with the spambots. Having the channel +s might be a better way to fight spambots, without putting a restriction on the users. Jeremy McNamara wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: Hi, I figured it out. Most IRC channels requiring some authentication give a minute's latitude to allow for slow response from nickserv. It seems #asterisk is not doing that. You really must wait for nickserv to say you are registered before you issue a /join #asterisk. You can't login to an ssh session until you are authenticated, why would IRC be any different? Jeremy McNamara ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] IRC
You need to be registered with nickserv to join. We had spam bots joining and leaving all day, and this fixes the problem. No - like painkillers this might remove the symptoms - it most definitely does not fix the problem. //Lars ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
