Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-15 Thread Dovid B
This is being forwarded to my People who should be banned from using 
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  From: Colin Anderson 
  To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' 
  Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


  I got a requirement list just now, with my comments inline: (showing it just 
for a giggle)

  User requirement: 1) Directory set up by name - If person calling does not 
know employee's name, how will they access? 

  -Why, using app_telepathy.so of course!

  User requirement: 2) Directory set by first /or last name?? 

  -Yes. Now decide which one.

  User requirement: 3) Not all mobile phones have the albphabet on their 
dialpads, how do they access our directory? 

  -Shout really loud. Telus should have a class action against it for 
selling Razrs with no DTMF.



-Original Message-
From: Bryan M. Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


Exactly. 


ESU = Equipment Superior to Users


;-)


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On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Alexander Lopez wrote:


  More like a ID-10-T error…..





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  Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:57 AM
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  Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


  I wish had some pearl of wisdom here, but I don't.  I will simply share 
my sympathy.


  Sounds like an ESU situation to me.


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  On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Colin Anderson wrote:





  I have a group of users whos complaint about Asterisk is that the 
directory

  application is too hard too use. (yeah, yeah, I know. For the record,

  they're Calgarians) Now I'm in a pickle: I don't want to have to create a

  custom directory for these guys. Anyone have any tips for making the

  directory easier, maybe re-record the prompts so they are more verbose? We

  go by first name. 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-15 Thread Dovid B

Get me a F*ckin human being seems to work well for me with Verizon.

- Original Message - 
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asterisk-users@lists.digium.com

Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?



I wouldn't swear to it (chuckle) but each time I've spoken with the
Verizon Telecommunications IVR, it sends me to an agent shortly after I
start swearing at it. I've had better luck with that than saying things
like agent, operator, and attendant. Other than that, it appears
to be a rather nice IVR, and it usually understands me.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:10:05 -0500, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Or maybe there is a distinct click as the caller prepares to shoot
himself in the head.

Colin Anderson wrote:

If you say: Agent you are transferred to a person. The IVR clearly 
states
that when you call in. I got a demo of Mitel's speech platform last year 
and

it has algorithms that measure apparent stress in a voice. If the voice
sounds to stressed, it transfers to an operator.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Bagnall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:38 PM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?




the change of Telus' (the
ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
up



What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
loudly at it? ;-)

Regards,

Chris



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RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-15 Thread Colin Anderson
Just as a followup, I'll intimate to the list what went down: (paraphrased)
 
I'm in Edmonton, the users are in Calgary, so I conferenced in to a Calgary
conference with all of the suits in the big boardroom. I basically let them
argue themselves in circles about how the Directory app should work in order
that they may exhaust themselves, then I politely informed them that the
Directory app operated basically the same as on the old Meridian, and that
ran for years without comment, so why was it an issue now? And, as it turned
out, the one manager who was raising a stink about the directory app
actually had never *used* the directory, he had just heard from a friend
that Asterisk was crap and we were fools for using it, so he was looking for
any excuse to go back to Meridian. I asked for metrics to back up that
assertion, he had none, I said: I have some metrics as to how effective
Asterisk is and ran phpMyAdmin queries in real time to show total number of
calls (a lot), how many buggered up (very, very few), how many minutes we
had saved in long distance (a lot), how fast we could provision a new user
with a handset and a DID (really really fast), how much the handsets cost
(cheaper than Meridian, 1/3 the price of a Mitel) and overall what the
platform had cost us (not a lot). He then countered with how the directory
was useless because almost no one he knew had letters on his mobile phone
and I asked how many people in the boardroom had their mobiles with them,
all of them said we all have them, I said Pull them out, and if even one
of you has a keypad with no letters on it, I will pull Asterisk out tomorrow
and replace it with Meridian. They all did, and predictably all of them had
letters on the keypads.
 
A long silence ensued. Then, they thanked me, and apologized for wasting my
time. 
 
So in the end, the guy who made this stink wound up looking really really
stupid in front of his peers, and the suits in Calgary have a new
appreciation for how cool Asterisk is. To throw them a bone, I did propose a
higher level directory on top of the Directory application so they can press
1 for sales, 2 for accounting etc and told them that they would have to work
out amongst themselves  what would happen i.e. who would pick up the phone
if someone pressed 1 or 2. I haven't heard back from them yet, presumably
they are still arguing about it.
 
Lessons learned:
 
1. If your install is good, compile stats that you can yank up at a moments
notice and wave under the nose of any nay-sayer. Stats speak for themselves.

2. Be diplomatic. If I had flippantly told the suits that this was an
ID-10-T error, I'd be in Calgary right now installing a Meridian. 

-Original Message-
From: Dovid B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:36 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


This is being forwarded to my People who should be banned from using
technology folder.

- Original Message - 
From: Colin Anderson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List -  mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Non-Commercial Discussion' 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:10 AM
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

I got a requirement list just now, with my comments inline: (showing it just
for a giggle)
 
User requirement: 1) Directory set up by name - If person calling does not
know employee's name, how will they access? 
 
-Why, using app_telepathy.so of course!
 
User requirement: 2) Directory set by first /or last name?? 
 
-Yes. Now decide which one.
 
User requirement: 3) Not all mobile phones have the albphabet on their
dialpads, how do they access our directory? 
 
-Shout really loud. Telus should have a class action against it for
selling Razrs with no DTMF.
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan M. Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


Exactly. 

ESU = Equipment Superior to Users

;-)


Bryan M. Johns
Partner
Shelton | Johns Technology Group
office: 678:248:2637 x:1500
direct: 678:229:1809
mobile: 404.259.9216
iaxtel: 700:248:2637 x:1500
 http://www.sheltonjohns.com/ http://www.sheltonjohns.com


On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Alexander Lopez wrote:


More like a ID-10-T error…..








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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Bryan M.
Johns
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:57 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?



I wish had some pearl of wisdom here, but I don't.  I will simply share my
sympathy.



Sounds like an ESU situation to me.





Bryan M. Johns

Partner

Shelton | Johns Technology Group

office: 678:248:2637 x:1500

direct: 678:229:1809

mobile: 404.259.9216

RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Colin Anderson
Yes let's use a very limited vocabulary engine to make it simple:

A good thought, but I'd be raked over the coals the first time a suit with a
super thick accent (we have a few) would drive the recognition engine crazy.
Here in Alberta, we talk about things that piss us off. One of the things a
lot of people have been talking of lately, and it has even been made fun of
in the local media, is the change of Telus' (the ILEC) customer service
system entirely to speech recognition. It actually works really, really well
I've never been able to screw it up and I can navigate wireless, landline,
and internet service quickly just by dialing a single number. But ho, you
should hear people grouse about it. Just by listening, you'd think it was a
Liberal plot or something. 
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RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Bagnall
 the change of Telus' (the
 ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
 actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
 up

What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
loudly at it? ;-)

Regards,

Chris
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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Paul
Chris Bagnall wrote:

the change of Telus' (the
ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
up



What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
loudly at it? ;-)
  

It's very lifelike. Too much abuse and  it sheds some tears. The
supervisor allows it to take an extra break to recover.

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RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Colin Anderson
If you say: Agent you are transferred to a person. The IVR clearly states
that when you call in. I got a demo of Mitel's speech platform last year and
it has algorithms that measure apparent stress in a voice. If the voice
sounds to stressed, it transfers to an operator. 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Bagnall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:38 PM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


 the change of Telus' (the
 ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
 actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
 up

What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
loudly at it? ;-)

Regards,

Chris
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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Paul
Or maybe there is a distinct click as the caller prepares to shoot
himself in the head.

Colin Anderson wrote:

If you say: Agent you are transferred to a person. The IVR clearly states
that when you call in. I got a demo of Mitel's speech platform last year and
it has algorithms that measure apparent stress in a voice. If the voice
sounds to stressed, it transfers to an operator. 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Bagnall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:38 PM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


  

the change of Telus' (the
ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
up



What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
loudly at it? ;-)

Regards,

Chris
  


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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Andrew M Stemen
I wouldn't swear to it (chuckle) but each time I've spoken with the
Verizon Telecommunications IVR, it sends me to an agent shortly after I
start swearing at it. I've had better luck with that than saying things
like agent, operator, and attendant. Other than that, it appears
to be a rather nice IVR, and it usually understands me.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:10:05 -0500, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 Or maybe there is a distinct click as the caller prepares to shoot
 himself in the head.
 
 Colin Anderson wrote:
 
 If you say: Agent you are transferred to a person. The IVR clearly states
 that when you call in. I got a demo of Mitel's speech platform last year and
 it has algorithms that measure apparent stress in a voice. If the voice
 sounds to stressed, it transfers to an operator. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Bagnall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:38 PM
 To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
 Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?
 
 
   
 
 the change of Telus' (the
 ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
 actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
 up
 
 
 
 What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
 loudly at it? ;-)
 
 Regards,
 
 Chris
   
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-11 Thread Paul
I can see the reasoning for that. The system detects dtmf or silence and
annoys you with error messages but when it detects non-silence that the
recognizer can't intepret it sends the call to a human that can't
understand it either :)

Try eating potato chips or playing different types of music to confirm
my theory.

Andrew M Stemen wrote:

I wouldn't swear to it (chuckle) but each time I've spoken with the
Verizon Telecommunications IVR, it sends me to an agent shortly after I
start swearing at it. I've had better luck with that than saying things
like agent, operator, and attendant. Other than that, it appears
to be a rather nice IVR, and it usually understands me.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:10:05 -0500, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  

Or maybe there is a distinct click as the caller prepares to shoot
himself in the head.

Colin Anderson wrote:



If you say: Agent you are transferred to a person. The IVR clearly states
that when you call in. I got a demo of Mitel's speech platform last year and
it has algorithms that measure apparent stress in a voice. If the voice
sounds to stressed, it transfers to an operator. 

-Original Message-
From: Chris Bagnall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:38 PM
To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


 

  

the change of Telus' (the
ILEC) customer service system entirely to speech recognition. It
actually works really, really well I've never been able to screw it
up
   



What happens if you yell I just want to talk to a human being! really
loudly at it? ;-)

Regards,

Chris
 

  

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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-10 Thread Bryan M. Johns
I wish had some pearl of wisdom here, but I don't.  I will simply  
share my sympathy.


Sounds like an ESU situation to me.

Bryan M. Johns
Partner
Shelton | Johns Technology Group
office: 678:248:2637 x:1500
direct: 678:229:1809
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On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Colin Anderson wrote:

I have a group of users whos complaint about Asterisk is that the  
directory

application is too hard too use. (yeah, yeah, I know. For the record,
they're Calgarians) Now I'm in a pickle: I don't want to have to  
create a

custom directory for these guys. Anyone have any tips for making the
directory easier, maybe re-record the prompts so they are more  
verbose? We

go by first name.
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RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-10 Thread Alexander Lopez
More like a ID-10-T error.

 

 

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan M.
Johns
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:57 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

 

I wish had some pearl of wisdom here, but I don't.  I will simply share
my sympathy.

 

Sounds like an ESU situation to me.

 

Bryan M. Johns

Partner

Shelton | Johns Technology Group

office: 678:248:2637 x:1500

direct: 678:229:1809

mobile: 404.259.9216

iaxtel: 700:248:2637 x:1500

http://www.sheltonjohns.com http://www.sheltonjohns.com/ 





 

On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Colin Anderson wrote:





I have a group of users whos complaint about Asterisk is that the
directory

application is too hard too use. (yeah, yeah, I know. For the record,

they're Calgarians) Now I'm in a pickle: I don't want to have to create
a

custom directory for these guys. Anyone have any tips for making the

directory easier, maybe re-record the prompts so they are more verbose?
We

go by first name. 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-10 Thread Bryan M. Johns

Exactly.

ESU = Equipment Superior to Users

;-)

Bryan M. Johns
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On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Alexander Lopez wrote:


More like a ID-10-T error…..







From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan M. Johns

Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:57 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?



I wish had some pearl of wisdom here, but I don't.  I will simply  
share my sympathy.




Sounds like an ESU situation to me.



Bryan M. Johns

Partner

Shelton | Johns Technology Group

office: 678:248:2637 x:1500

direct: 678:229:1809

mobile: 404.259.9216

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http://www.sheltonjohns.com






On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Colin Anderson wrote:




I have a group of users whos complaint about Asterisk is that the  
directory


application is too hard too use. (yeah, yeah, I know. For the record,

they're Calgarians) Now I'm in a pickle: I don't want to have to  
create a


custom directory for these guys. Anyone have any tips for making the

directory easier, maybe re-record the prompts so they are more  
verbose? We


go by first name.

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RE: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-10 Thread Colin Anderson
I got a requirement list just now, with my comments inline: (showing it just
for a giggle)
 
User requirement: 1) Directory set up by name - If person calling does not
know employee's name, how will they access? 
 
-Why, using app_telepathy.so of course!
 
User requirement: 2) Directory set by first /or last name?? 
 
-Yes. Now decide which one.
 
User requirement: 3) Not all mobile phones have the albphabet on their
dialpads, how do they access our directory? 
 
-Shout really loud. Telus should have a class action against it for
selling Razrs with no DTMF.
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan M. Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?


Exactly. 

ESU = Equipment Superior to Users

;-)


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Partner
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direct: 678:229:1809
mobile: 404.259.9216
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On Jan 10, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Alexander Lopez wrote:


More like a ID-10-T error…..








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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Bryan M.
Johns
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:57 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?



I wish had some pearl of wisdom here, but I don't.  I will simply share my
sympathy.



Sounds like an ESU situation to me.





Bryan M. Johns

Partner

Shelton | Johns Technology Group

office: 678:248:2637 x:1500

direct: 678:229:1809

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On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Colin Anderson wrote:





I have a group of users whos complaint about Asterisk is that the directory

application is too hard too use. (yeah, yeah, I know. For the record,

they're Calgarians) Now I'm in a pickle: I don't want to have to create a

custom directory for these guys. Anyone have any tips for making the

directory easier, maybe re-record the prompts so they are more verbose? We

go by first name. 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-10 Thread Leo Ann Boon

Colin,

Thanks mate for the first laugh of the day.

Colin Anderson wrote:
I got a requirement list just now, with my comments inline: (showing 
it just for a giggle)
 
User requirement: 1) Directory set up by name - If person calling does 
not know employee's name, how will they access?
 
-Why, using app_telepathy.so of course!
Is app_telepathy GPL'd (General Psychic License) or do we need a bunch 
of mind reading license lawyers. ^_^
 
User requirement: 3) Not all mobile phones have the albphabet on their 
dialpads, how do they access our directory?
 
-Shout really loud. Telus should have a class action against it 
for selling Razrs with no DTMF.

Wow, didn't know there are pulse dialed mobile phone. ^_^

What about speech recognition option for directory? Not necessary a full 
speech to text engine, just enough to recognize the names would do.


Leo

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Re: [asterisk-users] Directory too difficult?

2007-01-10 Thread Paul
Leo Ann Boon wrote:

 Colin,

 Thanks mate for the first laugh of the day.

 Colin Anderson wrote:

 I got a requirement list just now, with my comments inline: (showing
 it just for a giggle)
  
 User requirement: 1) Directory set up by name - If person calling
 does not know employee's name, how will they access?
  
 -Why, using app_telepathy.so of course!

 Is app_telepathy GPL'd (General Psychic License) or do we need a bunch
 of mind reading license lawyers. ^_^

  
 User requirement: 3) Not all mobile phones have the albphabet on
 their dialpads, how do they access our directory?
  
 -Shout really loud. Telus should have a class action against it
 for selling Razrs with no DTMF.

 Wow, didn't know there are pulse dialed mobile phone. ^_^

 What about speech recognition option for directory? Not necessary a
 full speech to text engine, just enough to recognize the names would do.

Yes let's use a very limited vocabulary engine to make it simple:

Ask - Does the first name begin with the letter A? Please answer yes or no.

If yes ask - Does the first name begin with the letters A B? Please
answer yes or no.

If no ask - Does the first name begin with the letter B? Please answer
yes or no.

And so on until you get a match or they just go away.

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