Re: What sequels of audiogames (old and new) would you like to see?
Re: What sequels of audiogames (old and new) would you like to see? oh. and to save time for those who wanted to relive that absolutely fantastic alpha.The announcement topic:https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/2833 … s-arrived/My director's commentary:https://forum.audiogames.net/topic/2833 … ommentary/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/618884/#p618884 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: What sequels of audiogames (old and new) would you like to see?
Re: What sequels of audiogames (old and new) would you like to see? Super Liam 2:My quote unquote shitty april fools prank is more accurate than you all think.The first game was all a dream and actually is not cannon in any sort of SL universe assuming there was one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/618883/#p618883 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thoughts About Audiogames getting Nintendo Switch Ports
Re: Thoughts About Audiogames getting Nintendo Switch Ports 32:yes. Naughty dog admitted it during a panel I believe.I forget the exact panel, but it was an interesting tidbit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614857/#p614857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thoughts About Audiogames getting Nintendo Switch Ports
Re: Thoughts About Audiogames getting Nintendo Switch Ports fun fact. the screen reader in TLOU2 is actually just prerecorded tTs lines. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/614594/#p614594 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Thoughts About Audiogames getting Nintendo Switch Ports
Re: Thoughts About Audiogames getting Nintendo Switch Ports Dev kits cost $400, but it's a lot more than that to get a game published. I forget the exact price offhand, but it ain't cheap. I know that much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/612947/#p612947 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Forza Horizon 4 Demo
Re: Forza Horizon 4 Demo I would hope they would keep the assists from FM7. I understand why some of them wouldn't work in FH4, but here's hoping they won't write them out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607214/#p607214 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Forza Horizon 4 Demo
Re: Forza Horizon 4 Demo I feel like the chances of it having narration for most menus will be pretty good. FH4 has really good narration support, but the game being open world puts a nail in the playability coffin for us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607211/#p607211 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Forza Horizon 4 Demo
Re: Forza Horizon 4 Demo It's an open-world game, so. No. There's no way we're playing it. Wait for FM8. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607105/#p607105 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Circus Master's Revenge 2 - The Future Of Mental Vision Llc with Joe
Re: Circus Master's Revenge 2 - The Future Of Mental Vision Llc with Joe Don't hate me because I'm beautiful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/606188/#p606188 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Jackbox Party Pack Recent accessibility fixes?
Re: Jackbox Party Pack Recent accessibility fixes? it's really hard to describe talking points as it's something you sort of have to play to understand how the access works. they did a pretty good job on it.I realize we're almost a year out, but I have high hopes for Pack 8. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/600861/#p600861 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Jackbox Party Pack Recent accessibility fixes?
Re: Jackbox Party Pack Recent accessibility fixes? in 7, quiplash, talking points (if with a group of people on zoom or in person) and blather 'round are all accessible. don't bother with devils as even though you can toggle voice over on a phone and flick things, but honestly it's a bit of crap shoot, and obviously the drawing game isn't doable.I can't really speak for six as accessibility was a bit of an afterthought and only joke boat and dictionarium have accessibility enhancements. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/600816/#p600816 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Spawn addon cars GTA V
Re: Spawn addon cars GTA V I can not add addon cars to the mod. Sorry. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/599179/#p599179 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: will there be an opportunity to play ASSASSIN'S CREED: Valhalla
Re: will there be an opportunity to play ASSASSIN'S CREED: Valhalla I'm glad that we're seeing progress all be it slowly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588223/#p588223 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Looking for GTA Online players
Re: Looking for GTA Online players Just a quick note.You will not be able to connect to GTA Online using any mods. So for example my GTA11y mod will not work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/588074/#p588074 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Nhl 21
Re: Nhl 21 Correct. Accessibility in 21 is not at all any further enhanced from 20. In some ways it's lacking since from what I can tell, new prompts were not recorded for this year's game, so even the accessibility menus have some awful gaps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/586726/#p586726 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: good news for folks outside the US!
Re: good news for folks outside the US! I will probably not be getting one. That's a lt of money for a lot of unknowns. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/585198/#p585198 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible 96:I think three years is a completely reasonable time frame.Studios seem to work on a multi-year cycle as far as games are concerned.I'm hoping with in three years we'll see multiple selections of things to play. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584874/#p584874 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible because it's a lot of work for so far very little return?All these features take time, and time is money. Programmers are payed hourly, and all their time has to be accounted for.This means that features are also budgeted. A company figures out how much each segment of the game will cost vs. what they currently can spend on it.if a feature is going to cost 1 million dollars to make, and the company may only get a return of 10 thousand dollars on it, it is not worth them making. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584627/#p584627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: good news for folks outside the US!
Re: good news for folks outside the US! I would hope if they took the time to localize it then it will actually read more screens, but I will believe it when I actually see it.I hope Sony proves me wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584615/#p584615 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: good news for folks outside the US!
Re: good news for folks outside the US! I wonder how you say text to speech not available in spanish and german? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584605/#p584605 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible There are way more people who are visually impaired vs. totally blind.This means that adding features for those with a visual impairment is going to be first on the list.It's all about that all mighty dollar. Want accessible games? there needs to be proof that enough blind people will play them to the extent that not adding features will actually put a dent in a company's earnings. Once this can be consistently proven, then we will totally get what we want. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584589/#p584589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Xbox S and Xbox X accessibility
Re: Xbox S and Xbox X accessibility I'm expecting XBox accessibility to be very similar to what we have now. Which is something I'm happy with. I was going to preorder, but have been holding off for a bit. I really probably should though since my XBox is the original from 2013. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584340/#p584340 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible I've seen Sightless Combat say it's also not playable.Not really surprised as if it had been there would have been more about this from people who worked with Ubesoft.With this being an open world game, there are some challenges that I think they're going to have to overcome in order to make that doable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584142/#p584142 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible the game is going to be the same across platforms most likely. there won't be any sort of special features so I'm not exactly sure what it is you're asking. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584124/#p584124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible Sounds like the features that exist will not benefit totally blind players at this point. Not to sayt hey can't in future, but i still think we're a few years out from having an accessible open world game. Which is what it is. I think it's coming down the road, but just not quite yet. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584121/#p584121 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I preordered watch dogs legion, some concerns and questions
Re: I preordered watch dogs legion, some concerns and questions Correct. there are a lot of assumptions and very little evidence at this point to either confirm or deny anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583143/#p583143 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla is not comming to steam.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla is not comming to steam. when I built my new pc, I had to buy a processor. I bought a Ryzen 3700, and they were including a copy of Valhalla with the purchase. My video card came with something else, but I never redeemed it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582164/#p582164 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla is not comming to steam.
Re: Assassin's Creed Valhalla is not comming to steam. The only reason I'm going to be checking it out is that I got a free copy of it with my processor. I'm not totally confident in any sort of complete playability yet URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582162/#p582162 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Just gonna leave this here...
Re: Just gonna leave this here... When I bought my new processor I actually got a copy of this game, so when it's released I'll poke around and see how much access we get. Pretty exciting though. this game is looking like it's going to be pretty epic, so it would be great to have something to sink our teeth in to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580584/#p580584 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible Uh. the game is not even out yet. releases at the end of this month. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580086/#p580086 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible 16:Depends on any NDA's that were signed.People may not be able to say until the game is launched or until the company themselves allows for the information to be released.I'm hoping for the best, but I am expecting very very little at least for this game.I'd love to be proven wrong. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579706/#p579706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Hades - roguelike dungeon crawler
Re: Hades - roguelike dungeon crawler BTW. for tech heads. C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hades\Content\ScriptsI'm unsure if these can be modified in any meaningful way, but it may be possible to mod in speech of some kind. again. I've looked at it for all of 5 seconds, but I found it very interesting. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579223/#p579223 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Hades - roguelike dungeon crawler
Re: Hades - roguelike dungeon crawler It may be a lot less confusing when we actually play it. I picked up a copy of this and plan on giving it a try. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/579125/#p579125 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 it's out now. already payed and downloaded it. Will be streaming it later on this afternoon. I'm refusing to touch it until then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578739/#p578739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 I've made my feelings clear so I'm not going to reiterate them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578504/#p578504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 So I agree with 58 as far as the intent of post 51, but as someone who develops as well as who has done testing work, it's just never a good thing to make the comment that you have tested something and then give opinions before said thing is released. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578333/#p578333 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 And of course I'll be streaming it on YouTube, but I think that's a given at this point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/578062/#p578062 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 We'll find out in a couple of days. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577941/#p577941 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Nintendo switch, give us a screen reader!
Re: Nintendo switch, give us a screen reader! the short answer to whether or not NVDA could be ported is no. The long answer is. It wasn't designed as a cross platform solution first of all. Second of all, you would then need a speech synthesizer to be ported as well. third of all, games can't exactly just magically speak because there's a screen reader.Hope this helps. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577782/#p577782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible
Re: Watch Dogs: Legion might be accessible I'm not very optimistic for this one honestly. Wasn't there a screen shot posted that showed the accessibility menu not too long ago and it only had narration and no other blind centric options? I remember Ian talking about this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577693/#p577693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Nintendo switch, give us a screen reader!
Re: Nintendo switch, give us a screen reader! That chip has been there for ever. They're infamous for region locking. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/577500/#p577500 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Nintendo switch, give us a screen reader!
Re: Nintendo switch, give us a screen reader! We've written to Nintendo. They care about as much as you'd think they do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576880/#p576880 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 The spaghetti-western style soundtrack is the first thing I picked up on. Have always enjoyed Ennio Morricone's work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576469/#p576469 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 demo has been out for quite some time. But it's worth checking out if you never have before URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576337/#p576337 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
Re: A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 yeah. That whole publishing thing is weird to me. I assume one group publishes games that others make? I mean. it's not unusual. Large publishers do the publishing for small studios all the time, but it's sort of unheard of int he blind gaming community. Either way. I'm pretty psyched for this. I really enjoyed the demo for the most part. and they've had a lot of time to take feedback in to consideration. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576320/#p576320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020
A WESTERN DRAMA WILL BE RELEASE 9th OCTOBER 2020 Got this in my email this morning. I'm hoping my excitement is not misplaced.Hi bounty hunters!!We can finally announce that the highly anticipated A WESTERN DRAMA will be released on October 9th 2020 on Audiogame.store!It will be available in English, Italian and German.Here you can find all the related infos:https://www.audiogame.store/en/shop/a-w … h-version/See you in hell, bounty hunters!LONG LIVE THE AUDIOGAMES! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/576315/#p576315 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: stuf about temtem
Re: stuf about temtem They've said they'd look in to it, but that they weren't promising anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/575097/#p575097 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Downloading Version 1 of VIPMUD if you don't have a key for Version 2
Re: Downloading Version 1 of VIPMUD if you don't have a key for Version 2 At the end of the day it's your money and no one else's. if you're going to get enjoyment out of VIP mud, then get it. If you haven't used the demo yet, at least spend the 30 days with it first. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/574651/#p574651 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Downloading Version 1 of VIPMUD if you don't have a key for Version 2
Re: Downloading Version 1 of VIPMUD if you don't have a key for Version 2 2 runs fine in win 10. In fact I'd say it runs better. I use VIP mud, but mainly that's because I boughtt itt years ago. I'm not sure I'd buy right now with mush being a viable alternative, but there's really nothing wrong with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/574646/#p574646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Downloading Version 1 of VIPMUD if you don't have a key for Version 2
Re: Downloading Version 1 of VIPMUD if you don't have a key for Version 2 2 runs fine in win 10. In fact I'd say it runs better. I use VIP mud, but mainly that's because I boughtt itt years ago. I'm no sure I'd buy right now with mush being a viable alternative, but there's really nothing wrong with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/574646/#p574646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A long time coming --- Manamon copyright infringement report
Re: A long time coming --- Manamon copyright infringement report If Nintendo hasn't touched Temtem, they're not gonna bother with Manamon. Watching people flip out is pretty freakin great though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/573750/#p573750 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: A long time coming --- Manamon copyright infringement report
Re: A long time coming --- Manamon copyright infringement report Trolling is dumb, but the reactions here have been some what amusing. People are acting like the OP killed their puppy or something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/573709/#p573709 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I need help finding a clipboard reader
Re: I need help finding a clipboard reader If you're referring to the one I made, then yes. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572653/#p572653 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my microsoft flight simulator 2020 findings and opinion
Re: my microsoft flight simulator 2020 findings and opinion 41:No. this does not prove anything.We are going to have to be patient whether we like it or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572053/#p572053 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Selling VG Storm licences
Re: Selling VG Storm licences I thought license agreement said they could not be transferred or sold?didn't this come up a while back somewhere else? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/571177/#p571177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: my microsoft flight simulator 2020 findings and opinion
Re: my microsoft flight simulator 2020 findings and opinion 34:I just saw those notes today. I will be curious to see what accessibility updates actually consist of, but it's still nice to see that accessibility is being acknowledged. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570178/#p570178 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Liam's Official YouTube Streaming Thread (Marathon on September 6)
Re: Liam's Official YouTube Streaming Thread (Marathon on September 6) An update on the marathon. You can now enter to win prizes. Prizes will be given away at the end of the marathon.Swamp will be a separate give-away that will happen during the marathon.http://lerven.me/entry URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/567394/#p567394 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 kjsisco wrote:I get a funny feeling Microsoft is thinking of abandoning this. It's a shame; I was going to try that out. Oh well.Uh. They just released it two weeks ago? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/566978/#p566978 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: some idea's for swamp
Re: some idea's for swamp Also. he has a full time job, and does this in his spare time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/566154/#p566154 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Liam's Official YouTube Streaming Thread (Marathon on September 6)
Re: Liam's Official YouTube Streaming Thread (Marathon on September 6) hey all.I'm going to be doing another Marathon over Labor Day in the United States here. It starts on Sunday September 6 starting at 9 AM Easttern. I've got a ton of great stuff planned including some prizes and a ton of games I'll be playing.You can get the important links and stuff in post number 1.Hope to see you then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565413/#p565413 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Walking vs Running vs Both in A Detective's Demise (and others)
Re: Walking vs Running vs Both in A Detective's Demise (and others) Stamina is cool. I just love when a game takes advantage of an analogue stick to control speed of movement depending on how far a stick is pushed forward. obviously this works differently on a keyboard, but still. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565161/#p565161 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Walking vs Running vs Both in A Detective's Demise (and others)
Re: Walking vs Running vs Both in A Detective's Demise (and others) As important as pacing is, I think it's super important to allow the player to travel at a speed of their choosing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/565144/#p565144 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. With Madden not getting any updates this year, I expect absolutely nothing for either NHL or Fifa. I'm just going to move ahead to next year. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564329/#p564329 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. 29:I think it's because they would then have to roll separate code for each console. they took the path of least resistance for TTS which is unfortunate as this cloud-based system is just not a good idea on so many levels. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564153/#p564153 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audio Racing Games
Re: Audio Racing Games I'd rather see a fully flushed out racing game personally. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564135/#p564135 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Audio Racing Games
Re: Audio Racing Games Harry. Sounds pretty fun. should be really neat especially with how you guys tend to use binaural audio and stuff. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564044/#p564044 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. 24:Keep in mind that all the accessibility work was done before Covid.naughty Dog made a very intelligent decision by including accessibility as an integral part of their engine instead of doing what every company (EA, Microsoft, ETC) as done which is add it on top of an already existing system.We'll never know what EA's reasoning or lack of reasoning was until someone over there speaks up. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that people who were assigned to accessibility were reassigned to oher parts of the game.I've got my sights set on next year, so. here's hoping. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563818/#p563818 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 Well. Let's hope that this will be a long term release for them, and things will be patched as they go.If we don't have narration now, maybe we'll pick it up in a later patch.I could totally live with this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563638/#p563638 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. I'm not forgetting TLOU2, but also keep in mind that that was in the works for three years, and the game wa spretty much completed before the world went in to lock down.What I'm referring to is games that you would expect to have accessibility built in especially from a ell-known studio that is known for it. EA. UFC 4 disappointed, Madden had no enhancements to existing accessibility, and of course there's flight Sim... Need I say more.There were very few people who even knew TLOU2 was going to be a thing ahead of time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563631/#p563631 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 The problem is that regardless of what addons we want, the overall UI needs to be accessible. this isn't like FSX where it uses buttons and stuff. It's a completely visual UI. Which is something I was afraid of. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563629/#p563629 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. You know how they say there's no I in team. I wouldn't be surprised if accessibility is one person. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563622/#p563622 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. 15: I buy it completely. there's been such a shift in how work gets done. Studios by nature are extremely social places, and thi has all shifted to everyone working remotely. You can't tell me this doesn't effect output levels.We're also forgetting what comes out at the end of this year. new Xbox's and new Playstations. I suspect a lot of resources were shifted in to making sure these games are latest gen ready.If you take these two things, it's no wonder why this year just sucks for accessibility. Accessibility gets a very low priority normally, so I imagine it was one of the first things to get put on the chopping block.I still say that if we want accessibility in games, then we need to get about a million more blind people playing them regularly. Easier said than done, I know. companies respond to numbers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563539/#p563539 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. I think they're currently using pico. and it hurts my soul. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563265/#p563265 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. 9:I doubt it. I'm still pretty sure the pandemic has a looot to do with it. Which sucks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563221/#p563221 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. nope. the live weekly stuff is only good for that week. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563216/#p563216 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. Will confirm. Face of the franchise. not accessible.Playbooks. Do not speak.Some informational pop ups are still not speaking.have no idea how The Yard works, so can't really comment on that.Overall I am very disappointed only because usually from a year to year basis we tend to see improvements in accessibility.If you enjoyed Madden 20, you'll enjoy 21. Just don't be expecting any major ground breaking accessibility features.I think I'll save my money and wait until next year. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563201/#p563201 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I am very sad about what happened to the retroarch
Re: I am very sad about what happened to the retroarch Ooph. Well. that's not good.Hopefully they'll get everything back together soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563199/#p563199 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. Ech. had to dig through the xbox store, but finally got it.I'm really torn if I want to even bother doing a video on this or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563193/#p563193 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Madden 21 trial available.
Re: Madden 21 trial available. I haven't been able to download it for some odd reason. I'll mess with it at some point. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563192/#p563192 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 it would be nice to hear something through official channels. no offense 28.Talking to a lot of people who have ended up working remotely due to Covid, it has made a serious impact on how business gets done. Keep in mind that a lot of studios are very social places. People work in close proximity.this remote work stuff has really upset that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563004/#p563004 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 it would be nice to hear something through official channels. no offense 27.Talking to a lot of people who have ended up working remotely due to Covid, it has made a serious impact on how business gets done. Keep in mind that a lot of studios are very social places. People work in close proximity.this remote work stuff has really upset that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/563004/#p563004 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Vale (final?) Demo
Re: The Vale (final?) Demo Steam is a big problem for a number of people. Which I can understand. I just reinstalled it, and having to jump through hoops is a pain in the behind. Glad the demo is going to be posted to itch. I'll be picking it up there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562651/#p562651 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another audio described trailer
Re: Another audio described trailer Sigh.Because we have to start somewhere. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562513/#p562513 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Another audio described trailer
Re: Another audio described trailer I'm glad to see more companies doing these. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562468/#p562468 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The Vale (final?) Demo
Re: The Vale (final?) Demo they have already said the demo will be on Itch.io. it just involves going to a website and clicking a link. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562459/#p562459 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 I suspect Covid19 had an impact on development. Would be interesting to find out if narration was planned, but had to be temporarily put on hold or something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562454/#p562454 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 I'm not going to give it a rating until we get a better idea of what tthey have for future plans. Even though, I don't find it fair ot rate a game poorly because it's not accessible. It would be different if the developer had promised something and then failed to deliver. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562395/#p562395 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 When I explored the accessibility menu, there were no options for any sort of narration.I suspect it's a no go at least for right now. That doesn't mean they won't add it in later, but the initial release does not contain it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562384/#p562384 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020
Re: microsoft flight simulator 2020 can also confirm. no accessibility settings for narrations. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/562363/#p562363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: marvel avengers a day beta is out.
Re: marvel avengers a day beta is out. Update. It turns out ps4 players can try it this weekend without preordering.I may look at it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/561690/#p561690 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: marvel avengers a day beta is out.
Re: marvel avengers a day beta is out. Note that this weekend's beta is only for those who preordered. The beta next week will be for everyone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/561689/#p561689 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: worried about Madden 21 accessibility
Re: worried about Madden 21 accessibility 8: I doubt our actions on this forum will turn EA from accessibility, but if we've lost representation due to a few people's actions then that is extremely disappointing to say the least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/561614/#p561614 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: worried about Madden 21 accessibility
Re: worried about Madden 21 accessibility correct. Accessibility does not get mentioned.Madden is the one game that I expect accessibility enhancements for for a few reasons.1. It has the largest budget.2. karen who was the launching pad for accessibility is in Orlando with the team who works on madden.3. They made another hire last year of another programmer for accessibility work. this I remember was ont he forum. It's sort of what started the fall out here on the forum.We will have a much better idea of accessibility next Thursday when the trial comes out. until then, anything we speculate will only be that. Speculation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/561542/#p561542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Can i play swomp whith out a mouse?
Re: Can i play swomp whith out a mouse? Keep in mind that the public beta has changed the long bow to now use the mouse to pull back on the string. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/560273/#p560273 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Can i play swomp whith out a mouse?
Re: Can i play swomp whith out a mouse? Can you play without a mouse? Technically yes.Should you play without a mouse? 100 percent no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/560099/#p560099 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: rdr2.
Re: rdr2. I can pause the game, but that pauses the entire game including the script. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/559670/#p559670 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: rdr2.
Re: rdr2. theoretically yes, but I feel like that would be clunky as hell. However I'm willing to try it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/559634/#p559634 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: rdr2.
Re: rdr2. I still invite people to suggest an alternate layout that wont conflict with the keyboard keys. I play with a game pad, so I really don't know which keys are being used. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/559629/#p559629 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: rdr2.
Re: rdr2. It is. No promises, but I should have a new version out this month. I recently had to have some dental work done, so I havent really been coding much. Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/559624/#p559624 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: rdr2.
Re: rdr2. I know you're not asking anyone to do it, but I'm just heading off anyone who goes. Hey Liam. Why don't you do it?The soul reason I did GTA V was that I got a copy of it for $10. I also thought I'd be able to make some deeper integration than I actually could. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/559621/#p559621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
