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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@soren: don't be sad; i'm not I have reddit and other places I can go, don't worry about me at all.@everyone else, for those that want my Harry Potter Fan fiction,, it's going to still be up for as long as I can keep it on my dropbox so feel free to download it and share it, if you like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500890/#p500890 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Edit: a couple of words.Hi.@mods, I said in my first edited post,for people not to attack you,all I wanted to do was get my point across and that's it.hopefully everything is cleared up now.I've decided to leave this thread up for a couple more hours then take it down as I feel all things I've wanted to say and the point the mods are trying to get across has been said and done.To those that are tired of people taking things down, tough, it's my last act as a forum member, with this account at least, I may make one in the future if I feel there's a post I really really want to say something on.You've all been great people and don't worry about me, i'll be fine. i've deffenetly got other places to go and can read up on here from time to time.Just live your lives and try to be kind to as many as you can URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500881/#p500881 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. by brad its sad that wi will lose you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500886/#p500886 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@mods, I said in my first post for people not to attack you,all i wanted to do was get my point across and that's it.hopefully everything is cleared up now.I've decided to leave this thread up for a couple more hours then take it down as I feel all things I've wanted to say and the point the mods are trying to get across has been said and done.To those that are tired of people taking things down, tough, it's my last act as a forum member, with this account at least, I may make one in the future if I feel there's a post I really really want to say something on.You've all been great people and don't worry about me, i'll be fine. i've deffenetly got other places to go and can read up on here from time to time.Just live your lives and try to be kind to as many as you can URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500881/#p500881 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Funnily enough, I used to be pretty good at the 2d Mortal Kombat games. My real go-to was Killer Instinct Gold, but even in games like MK4 or MK Trilogy, I routinely beat the tar out of most of my sighted friends, even some of them who were good at the game. Now, I'm sure if I'd ever been in an elite level tournament I would've gotten smoked, but I've read FAQs for the newer MK games and stuff, and have passingly wondered if they're worthwhile, because the complexity has drastically shot up, and if that's accessible, I might be all over that. It's why I had a brief interest in Killer Instinct again when I heard that it was a lot more accessible than I realized at first.Simba, I apologize for the misunderstanding then. To me, "I'm done being gentle" just means what it says. It's not meant so much as a threat, more as a warning that I am not just going to keep doing the same thing over and over. I was annoyed, and I don't take back what I said, but in the context it was delivered in, I can sort of, if I stretch a bit, see where you're coming from. Either way, I accept the apology. We're cool. Don't worry about it.Accman, I largely agree with you. I'd wager that most of us have broken piracy law at least once, and I personally don't have a huge moral problem with this under some circumstances. I'm one of those people who believes that some laws are just busted, after all.As a group, though, we just decided to take as few chances as possible, and that means slamming the door on links to copyrighted material. Just do your stuff elsewhere where we don't see it; we can't stop you. We aren't trying to be the morality police here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500857/#p500857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Totally agreed @Accan. Take phishing scams as an example. I always feel that if a data breach occurs at a firm, rather than covering it up the firm needs to perform a full investigation. If it is discovered someone clicked on a phishing scam, fire'em on the spot. It's obvious they don' need the monthly paychecks since that Nigerian Prince's moneygram/Western Union payment is waiting for them, right? Right? Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500856/#p500856 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I've been following this whole thing, and have a couple of thoughts to throw into the mix here. The first thought I wish to express here is in the form of a question. How many of you out there have ever copied something from the radio and kept it for your own use or shared it with a close friend or family member? How many have ever recorded content from the TV using a VCR and/or DVR and either kept it for your own use or shared it with friends and/or family? In the eyes of the law, this is pirating--whether or not it's being sold it is still considered pirating. So, we've all done this to some extent. I have no problems with those who want to share things freely. Where I draw the line is when that same content is being sold for profit by the one sharing it. I know people who have done that, and that act is what I truly call pirating. Pirates usually would go after things with a hope of profiting financially out of them. Sharing something freely without any thought of financial profit is certainly no the act of a pirate.Secondly, an this links with the question I had, is to ay that everyone, no matter who you are, is responsible for what they do with information shared or what you don't do with it. If you want to click on a link, then you're responsible for having done so and for whatever happens as a result of clicking on it. If you click it and it turns out to be a virus, then, while that's unfortunate, you chose to click on it and no one else made that decision for you. I can't believe that individualizing responsibility is such a foreign concept in today's society. Please understand that this is not directed at anyone specifically as I have no problems with anyone here. This is just me giving us all, including myself, something to think about. If you have anything to reply on this thought, then I am open to hearing it. if you have something particularly harsh in mind, then please be responsible and don't post it here, but contact me privately. Whether you even would hear back from me in that case will depend on how said message was delivered. If I receive messages that are fraud with insults and profanity, then you can bet your last dollar that you won't hear back from me.Now, to the mods. You guys are doing a great job, and I do understand why you're doing things the way you've chosen and even appreciate it. I have never been a mod myself, but I can certainly appreciate what goes into it from what I've heard.People, if someone mentions something that you might want access to, and I mean in the form of mentioning it and not sharing a link to it, if you want a link then just email the person for it. That's all you have to do. this way, the link doesn't have to be posted here and we can avoid unpleasantness like this from this time onward. I've stated my thoughts on this. What you do with them is entirely up to you. Sorry about the lengthy post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500849/#p500849 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Nocturnus, not sure if it is habbit. Some people are just cheap, and just like pirating. Its what they do, and as long as they get their shit for free... Cool forum username by the way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500838/#p500838 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. It isn't really a sound. It's inaudible. Compare it to the inaudible pings that Bluetooth devices use to tag each other. It's something only detected when something is ran through a frequency spectrum analysis. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500837/#p500837 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Huh. I didn't know that that audio watermark was a thing. Interesting. Now I wonder what sort of sound it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500833/#p500833 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Simba, wins. Forumality! Lol.Re, the megamall: The mall existed as a storefront before this all happened. They have their own individual stores plus distribution deals with companies, mostly Nvision America and a few others. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500832/#p500832 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I don't think Jayde is very good at Mortal Kombat. Lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500831/#p500831 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.At jac it looks like to me that they try masking their movie vault with selling their own products or selling the products of their vendors, I don't know if all the stores they have on their website are stricktly theirs or also third party vendors.The fact that the vault isn't placed sorta down the bottom of the page is also quite interesting to say the least.I don't know if it's still the case currently, but back in 2015 or 2016 when I checked their website, the terms of service basically said something along the lines of, under construction.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500829/#p500829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.At Jayed honestly, yes, that was abit over the top, I agree on that point with you, possibly shouldn't have went that route, but you saying of, you are done beeing gentle sounds to me like, you take matters into your own hands, ya know?as strage as it might sound. But I'm not go fully reverse on that and that I will now change my life after saying something like this.I don't know you, I don't care what you think about me in a personal way. The chance of us to meeting at one point or the other is slim to none I guess. Let's just go and keep a, moderator to forum user relationship to put it simply. You do your stuff, i do my stuff, we discuss, agree or disagree depending on the topic. And if something clashes, we duke it out in mortal kombat.Ok, seriously, yeah, wasn't my best move for sure.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500828/#p500828 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @Simba: No such article exists. Also, searches for Blind Mice Megamall (the commercial business, not the movie vault), lead to tons and tons of search results containing the website. While they are incorporated, there isn't much detail pertaining to business registration. I really do wonder, as is usually the case with big tech, if oversite is actually that inept, because this is so easily unhidden it isn't even funny. They are clearly doing this while looking the other way, despite the fact that steraming services now exist to provide this content. The international argument does not work eitherfor them , as Blind Mice more or less expects U.S. customers will be buying their products. Am I automatically labeling them as an unethical/shady business? No, not necessarily. But the fact that they are oing this so out in the open (at leats in the assistive tech circles) leads me to think that there may be some legal exception that they have not told us about, and levaing us in the dark certainly isn't the right thing to do either. As far as this forum is concerned, though, it doesn't matter. The fact this shit can't be posted on the forum does not inconvenience me enough to skate around the rules, much less rail against it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500826/#p500826 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.At Jack ok, I get your point, it wasn't really obvious that the article you quoted in 49 also contains information on how to get the movies from the mice, I thought it only was the statement on where the movies come from or how they finance themselves, so basically a, how we do things kind of article.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500816/#p500816 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. That was the point I was trying to put forth in 24. Peple know netflix exists and that its audio description is both improving and seeing new titles being added. People are choosing instead to download the stuff illegally because habbit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500812/#p500812 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Simba, I fail to see where at any point I talked about taking rules into my own hands. The only quote you cited was me saying "Get over yourselves. I'm done being gentle". This means exactly what it says. I am done defending this issue and I'm done taking bullshit excuses. You link to illegal material, you get warned as per rule 3. Intent can and will be taken into account, again, as per rule 3. If you try and dance around rule 3, then rule 3 will probably get invoked anyway, and community failure may also be invoked if you're particularly tenacious. At no time have I said that I'm going to start attacking anyone, breaking rules myself or otherwise doing what you suggested.Oh also? Backhanded slap at Dark is not cool. Let it go. For serious. Let. It. Go. You have no concept of how petty you appear to me right now. Or perhaps you do and you just don't care. I really hope that's not the case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500810/#p500810 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @Simba: I thought it was implied, but because you asked:I am not goin to link to an article that contains instructions on how to access the mart. This article, posted years ago, contains just that. Were I to not restrain myself and instead post the link, that would be quite hypocritical of me, not to mention going directly against the rules and the argument I was trying to solidify.There is no article that questions the legality of it, because anyone and everyone just took it and ran. Mind you, the site existed many moons before streaming providers even thought of described content, but now that streaming providers are providing more described content people aren't going, oh wait, should I really be using this? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500809/#p500809 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @simba I totally understand Jayde's frustration here. The moderators made these rules after users pointed out the weaknesses in the site rules. Now that they put in these new rules, users are villifying them for holding up rules which will preserve the forum against litigation. In a situation where it seems like you just can't win and it seems like some segments of the user base are intent on demonizing the moderators, can you really blame them for not capitulating every time and trying to explain the situation again, and again, and again, and again... It seems like every day one user or another is bitching about forum rules.If you guys hate the forum rules so much, go make your own forum and make it happen. Maintain it, and maybe it'll become the new ag.net. You never know!Kai URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500807/#p500807 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.At Jack if you don't mind me asking, what is your reason to not link to the article and just quoting it? I'm not really inclined to mice hunt for an article about a site which could be easily link to.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500806/#p500806 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @Simba: Again. THere is a very, very low probability that what Blind Mice is doing is legal. There is an article that I will not link to, but I will quote it:"the movies are provided to Blind Mice Inc through an outside source that is not affiliated with Blind Mice Mart."The article's still around if you look for those who think this is made up. The statement that this quote references is often referred to as a cover-your-ass or CYA statement. Notwithstanding the fact that Blind Mice is blatantly refusing to name the source of this content, the fact that they are leaving this statement probably wouldn't hold up too well in court if someone were to pursue a case against them. Likely? No. Possibly? Abso-friggin-lutely. And it does not matter how big or small this site is. We are indexable by just about every search engine, almost always on page 1 mind you. We aren't that hard to find. Since the webmasters are not around to respond to dmca takedown notices, allowing this would literally run the risk of a dmca takedown notice from the entertainment industry, no questions asked. Especially given the fact that you never know what inaudible watermarks exist within the audio. The ai-driven takedowns have gotten smart and have been taking advantage of watermarks that are inaudible for a human to hear. But the moment they run a frequency spectrum analysis through the audio and find it, they can flag that audio and without human intervention.Seriously, it's not worth the risk. And really, is it the end of the world since we've lost our Klango, our Inclusive Planet, The Zone (RIP to them in general) but seriously, there are many other places for off-topic discussions. In fact if the mods wanted to I am sure they could pull an audyssey and remove the off-topic discussion room altogether, and that would be within their rights. This site is in fact audiogames.net in case you forgot, its primary goal is not to facilitate off-topic discussions, and the fact that it is generous enough to do so should not be taken for granted. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500804/#p500804 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Jayde wrote:Seriously. Get over yourselves. I am done being gentle.#so, are you basically saying you take rules into your own hands and do w´what you want to do and not comply with forum rules? Sounds like the thing dark did back when he was a head moderator.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500795/#p500795 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. This has been done to death.We want to stay away from copyrighted material and its potentially illegal distribution as much as we can on the website because as unlikely as it is, we want to provide plausible deniability if anything does go wrong.We've also seen cases where people think that morally grayer stuff like audio description means we're suddenly okay with all illegal downloading, and that's just more mess than it's worth. So when push came to shove, we decided to cut it all instead of taking selected pieces out and playing favourites. Because let's be honest with ourselves, if we'd hand-picked the exceptions, I guarantee you there'd be people howling about that, too.We don't care what you do elsewhere, but we ask that you don't do it here. We're not your only source of information, downloads or anything else. Hell, we can't even see your private messages, much less edit them. Are we really, truly cutting into your freedoms that much? Me, I'd say no.I feel like a broken record at this point. I'm getting seriously sick of having to justify this over and over and over again.Let me be even sharper for just a sec.We could all decide as mods that we just don't feel like hosting this content, and to hell with legality and explanation and justification; and if this was the rule we decided to enforce, we could do it. Your options would either be to comply or leave. Well, I suppose you could protest, but you wouldn't have any ability to change decisions by force because I highly doubt that a decision like this would cause a large majority of users to permanently go elsewhere. We're here for gaming, after all, not audio described media.We didn't do this though. We used logic and reason, have explained it literally dozens of times over, and I'm at a point where I feel that any demand to have us explain further is just bad faith. Yeah, I know, you're probably tired of me citing bad faith, but tough luck. That's what it is at this point.Boiled down, it comes down to the fact that we want the forum run a certain way, and that is how we're running it. We've tried to explain our reasons, but for some of you, nothing we say or do will be good enough until we agree with you, so speaking personally, I'm about done trying to honour your bad-faith requests for explanations that you don't seem to give a rip about. If you don't like it, you are free to take Brad's option and leave, though I hope you do it without the backhandedness displayed previously in this thread. Personally though, I'd wager that there are many, many better hills to die on than this one. This community is far more than one issue of us coming down on the distribution of links to illegal material. And you know what else? I refuse, utterly and completely, to be demonized for being one of the people interested in keeping this forum safe. You're not being abused, hurt, tortured, abandoned. You're being asked not to post very specific links or methods to obtain illegal content on this forum specifically, and you're being asked to either let it go or show yourselves the door. What sort of person do you have to be in order to take this so personally that you consider it a violation of your rights or freedoms? Seriously. Get over yourselves. I am done being gentle. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500788/#p500788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.As much as I don't want to agree with the mods, their point is sadly true, when you link to a site which contains illegal content, you could be charged with copyright infringement, this although has nothing to do with article 13, now article 17 FYI, this was alread put through in 2016 by the european cort of justice.Here's something that explains it quite nicely.https://searchengineland.com/european-c … ent-258442The question remains though if a site of this size will be even held accountable for linking to a site letting you download the audio track with an AD of the movie.also I wonder if hosting AD tracks is legal or illegal at that point, the mice does it for years now and even though they region locked their content, which is not really with the law as well, but they are also hosting that stuff.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500789/#p500789 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@jack, ah, I'm still going to leave as i said, probably to many times now haha, but I didn't know it was this sirious.Thanks for explaining. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500783/#p500783 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @Brad: Your argument would be valid if it weren't for the fact that the law is out of touch, and will often blame the site for not inforcing policies claerly for those linking to illegal content. They tried going after individual users with letters, and it backfired horribly. They're trying to go after sites, which they tried and failed to take to extremes in 2012, but article 13 and everything surrounding it certainly is a step backwards. The law does not want to do copyright reform in a way that actually benefits cratives rather than the fat corporations behind them, which is why you see a groundswell of independent content creators who are goin under mostly creative commons or permissive licenses, because the corrupt copyright law contains too many loopholes that redirect the benefits to fat corporations.Unfortunately, when running a forum, the letter of the law is the letter of the law, and lawyers will threaten to take down the site before they will actually sit down and have a debate about this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500779/#p500779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@jack, ah, no, I didn't give a link to just the IBM software.I understand a little more now why things are done the way they are.Thanks for clearing some things up for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500776/#p500776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@Mods, I hope that edit clears things up a bit.@manamon_player, from my understanding, it's because the content on the sight is illegal and the Mods do not want audiogames.net discussing and or using illegal things, I must admit I don't understand why though as it's the persons computer and their choice, in my oppinion, what they click on.Perhaps Jayde could explain it to us and we could all leave this thread having understood a bit more about the other side of things.I don't want anyone thinking, Brad's right in what he did, look at both sides and decide for yourself.Anyway, i'm way to tired to continue writing and am probably not making much sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500772/#p500772 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @ManamonPlayer: Audiovault does not have a legal proof, in writing, that they have the permission to distribute content. This can be either a reference to a copyright exception for described audio tracks, or a statement in writing from distribution rights holders, publishers usually. Spoiler alert: Audiovault provides none of that. Neither does any other described movie site. The site cannot legally allow that. In fact no site really does, as damn near every site has a dmca compliance notice in their t o s which, to be honest, you should be reading anyways. Rule 3 on audiogames.net is pretty much that but worded in more plain English rather than legal jargon, failing the obvious fact it also applies to the stance against audio game crack distribution of course. That shouldbe all you need to know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500771/#p500771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Sad to see you go, Brad, you always had a nice contributive presence on the forum. I can agree partially with your argument, but let's clarify a few things.1. The automated filter is, to my knowledge, gone, at least in the areas where it was causing extraneous interferences or false alarms.2 re: IBM, Are you sure you provided a link that contained the IBM tts NVDA addon without any speech libraries? To be clear, the spi4 Eloquence was never free. It was sold as a stand-alone package for 50bucks in its hayday, and was and continues to be part of a fair few commercial offerings such as Kurzweil, and if you can't afford those well, don't know what to tell ya. For the record, there is a commercial package for Linux called Voxin, and the interface to the library is open source and freely distributable while the library itself is not. In a sense, the IBM addon for NVDA is essentially that, we provide the interface, you provide the legally obtained speech library.3 re: Nocturnus as well: Books hold more substantial wait in multiple ways, from leisure to academia, which is likely why books in an accessible form got the copyright exception which, might I add, is in the process of becoming more of an international exchange. So people do not realy have much of an excuse for pirating books radily available through accessible libraries that are often free or very low cost to you. And while the books may be free for you the user, they are being paid for by that library, whether that be through mass publisher distribution agreements or on an individual basis.Some libraries have collections of described content that, dated as they may be, are completely legal. Blind Mice has not bothered to show us any legal proof of distribution the way every online library would do, or the way Jaybird did with the Mess Apple emulator for example. Yet Dale Campbell keeps on running a commercial shop like no one's business (no pun intended), and making users feel guilty for reaping the, quote, free, content without buying from their shop or donating. Personally I think this is pretty heinous as it takes advantage of the grayarea of audio description to turn it into a side-offering on an otherwise commercial business. I personally don't feel comfortable calling any of that practice lgal, and not just because of the forum's stance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500768/#p500768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. at jaydeplease tell me a reason that audio vault is not compatible with the rulesthanks URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500767/#p500767 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@mods: Tell you what, I'll take a quick look over my post, keep it but make an edit above it explaining myself a little more.Sometimes I just write without thinking and should probably work on that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500764/#p500764 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Brad, here's the thing.We made the rule months ago. People have tried to push it, we stood firm. I'm just not sure what you thought you were doing here.Leaving is your prerogative, and let's be clear, you could have been way, way worse. I'm not angry with you or disgusted with you, but I am a little disappointed with the way you're doing this.I think that if you analyze your feelings, you may come to realize that you are, in fact, trying to do the same thing a bunch of others have done before you. You don't like something, so you're applying more pressure in hopes that it will change. It...won't. And you already knew that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500763/#p500763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Brad wrote:I skimmed through them a while back but never really payed much atention to them as I'd not gotten tired of things then but now I've realised I prefer a, take responsibility for yourself kind of action.Ironically, you're disagreeing with the ag.net moderators doing the same thing -- they're taking responsibility for the site. They're doing the best thing to keep the site from being targeted by DMCA claims and Cease and Desist demands. I can pretty much guarantee that such legal actions would resort in the forum shutting down, since no one's going to want to foot the money to fight a legal battle all because of links posted by someone unaffiliated with the site owners. That being said, there are plenty of other forums and discussion platforms that don't moderate this kind of exchange, so I hope you find somewhere that more appropriately fits your views.Kai URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500762/#p500762 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@jayde, the one thing I can say about the mods is, you guys are ferm and that's actually a good thing.You stick to what you believe in and that's something I can respect.Oh and I realise now, your last question was kind of ritorical, oops, that's what I get for being tired and reading/replying to posts. OH well you have my answers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500761/#p500761 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I would like to point out that while I disagree with the moderator's stances on removing stuff, I still respect them. I don't want people to think that I'm trying to come after them for any of their rules. I think Brad is in a simular position as me, but I do agree it could have been phrased a bit better because it does look like he's throwing dirt at them even though I know he's not trying to do that. I actually think that Jayde and Liam are pretty cool guys, and they seem like people you could have really interesting and intelligent debates with. BTW Jayde, I shot you a PM if you could check that out when you have time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500760/#p500760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@JaceK, I ticked that box years ago and the rules have changed.I skimmed through them a while back but never really payed much atention to them as I'd not gotten tired of things then but now I've realised I prefer a, take responsibility for yourself kind of action.as for my post being bitchy, sure, it probably comes across that way but that was then and this is now. If you read through this thread I think you'll find that I'm trying to explain myself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500759/#p500759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@jayde, I don't care for my sake but the sake of those using the forum.As for why five days, I dunno, it just seamed a good amount of time to let people say what they're going to say and then hopefully we can clear all the things up and I can leave.You can think what you like but I'm telling you, I'm not throwing dirt at the mods, what would be the point? Do I wish you'd change the way audiogames.net was run, yes, is that why I made this post after my link was taken down? Yes. Is that throwing dirt at the mods? I don't think so.Maybe because of this others will leave, then again maybe not, it's not up to me at all but them.If they think, "oh god those mods again," then they will, because some people don't agree with what you're doing Jayde and that's just how life is. On the other hand, you'll have others who will agree with you.Basicly I'm not making this post to do anything apart from getting people to think about how things are run and then leave.If it's pointless in the end, so be it. At least people are talking/thinking about things and whatever comes of it, will come. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500757/#p500757 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @29:Yes the first post wasn't constructive. It was a backhanded slap at the mods.If Brad had liad out his reasons for leaving and explained why, instead of writing something that comes off as (and I'm being blunt) bitching because the mods are folowing their own rulesif he'd have gone and explained things in dtail like Dan did after my post, I wouldn't have said that@Jade: Agreed, agreed 110% URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500756/#p500756 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. There is a marked difference between being criticism-resistant and being firm.I think I can speak for the entire team when I say that when valid criticisms are levelled against us, we generally do our best to honour them.Rules on warnings and bans are too vague? Sure, we'll give you an official system to work with, complete with expiry and protocol.How do mods handle decisions? We want more transparency. Okay, fine. We'll write out a staff protocol section to show you what we generally do and what we intend when doing it.This mod action was too harsh/too biased/too quick/too gentle. Okay, talk to us. Why do you feel that way?I'd say that's pretty representative of what you've been getting from us in the last sixteen months or so.Mistakes? Absolutely. We're human. We've made them. We'll make more of them. But one thing we try to do is learn from mistakes we make so we're less likely to do the same thing.So please, before you go calling us criticism-resistant, ask yourself if that's really true. Are you maybe just pissed off at a rule you don't like? Because that doesn't mean we're criticism-resistant. It just means we buckled down and held to a stance you don't like. We aren't here to shut every little thing down, and we aren't here to stifle you at every turn, but we are not here to just cave when pressure is applied, either. Is that really the precedent you think should be set? Mods collapse when pressure is applied? At that point, popular vote wins, and he who is loudest gets what he wants. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500752/#p500752 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @27 if post 1 was unconstructive critic, then wow. Also, i was the discussion you where talking about. And adleast from my point of view it was not really discussed, but the admin said we will do it and then a discussion started. And the fact that the aggree checkbox was checked almost 11 years aggo doesn't make it better either. Also i personaly feel that the admin team got completely creticism resistent, otherwise i would have said something much earlier. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500751/#p500751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I have a sharp but rather rhetorical question for you, Brad.If you are leaving the forum, why do you care what happens to it?If you are uninterested in continuing to stay current with the rules and in continuing to engage with the community, why bother even making an exit post in the first place? You say you aren't blaming the mods, but you just don't want to be part of this anymore. So, I see the reason for the sentiment, but not the reason for sharing it.I think that not only what we say, but how we say it and -when we say it, holds a lot of meaning. If you don't really think you're doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to answer for. If you don't really dislike the mods, but simply disagree with what they're doing, then it shouldn't really matter to you if you're leaving because you no longer have to be governed by rules you don't agree with. In one sense, you're doing the mature thing and bowing out. I can respect that.On the other hand, it seems like you're doing something of a bait and switch. You're claiming that you don't actually want to turn up the heat on us, but in leaving this way, it's exactly what you're doing. You're a smart guy. You can't expect me to believe you don't understand the ramifications. "Oh my god. Brad got so upset that he left. Those friggin' mods again! Why did they have to do that?". It's actually pretty transparent.If all you want to do was leave, you could leave. But why five days? Why mention mods at all? Why justify yourself at all?Nah, I think it's potentially just a backhanded way to toss a little dirt on your way out the door.Unfortunately, it is unlikely to do much good. As you yourself pointed out, we aren't going to change on this. It sucks for some, but there it is.I will be sad to see you go though. Like others, I genuinely got something out of you being here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500747/#p500747 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@Nocturnus. I'll answer those questions from my point of view.1. Why is it that books, not all of them educational, should be available to blind people free of charge while audio described movies are not? This kind of thing does exist in the UK as an RNIB addon but I personally don't use it.I can't answer why things are this way, they just are.2. For those of you who are grabbing this stuff from audiovault or wherever else you manage to obtain it, can you honestly tell me that you would stop if a legal, afordable and accessible service that provided this stuff either through government funding or some other resource, were to exist tomorrow? Can you seriously sit there and tell me you'd up and delete all the content you've acquired just to make it right, or is it a matter of knowing that you can get away with it and that you have for so long?Hmm. honestly I don't watch much stuff offline so, would I do it? yeah, probably.If there was another service like Sero, I'd probably delete my stuff today but sero does the same thing as far as I understand. I mean getting it's content illegally but yes, if there was a service that had the movies and serieses I have, i'd at least look into it.I do agree with you however that it is conveniunt that I can just open my hard drive and go from there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500742/#p500742 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @20:Agreed. If you didn't read the rulesand this was announced, and discusssed ages ago nowyou're at fault. YOu did tick the box that says I agree to the rules after all...@13:You totally and utterly missed my point. The point @4 was to be respectful and constructive in your criticism and not trot out the same tired arguments that don't get anyone anywhere at all. Instead of taking your anger out on the mods...be civil to each other and give constructive feedback. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500743/#p500743 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I'm really stuck on this one. ON the one hand it is obvious that, at least here in the US, services like Bard through the national library service exist to provide books free of charge to blind individuals. To my knowledge, such a service does not exist for movies. That in essence means that there are books you can read, some of them best sellers, that are still being bought and sold in book stores around the world, some of them costing just as much as, if not more than a movie. Some of the titles now listed on Bard's website include popular narrations of audio books, such as the Harry Potter series read by Jim Dale. This brings me to my first question.1. Why is it that books, not all of them educational, should be available to blind people free of charge while audio described movies are not?Conversely, it is also obvious that in this day and age, services like Hulu and netflix are becoming more popular than mainstream TV. Youtube isn't too far behind, offering thousands upon thousands of hours of streaming at fairly nice prices. Disney, Amazon and even Apple have launched their own platforms to try and get a piece of the pie. Regardless what you think of which service, the point is that it's easier to stream content now more than ever, which brings me to my next question.2. For those of you who are grabbing this stuff from audiovault or wherever else you manage to obtain it, can you honestly tell me that you would stop if a legal, afordable and accessible service that provided this stuff either through government funding or some other resource, were to exist tomorrow? Can you seriously sit there and tell me you'd up and delete all the content you've acquired just to make it right, or is it a matter of knowing that you can get away with it and that you have for so long?I honestly think I know the answer to that second one, and it ties in a bit to the first one. There is a BTSync folder full of audiobooks that has been passed around like no tomorrow on this site. Once again, to my knowledge, that practice has yet to be frowned down upon here on this site; why I do not know nor do I honestly care. I do, however, find it interesting that even though many of these books are available via different means people are still illegally downloading them rather than going out of their way to obtain a bard account or buying them wherever possible. The same holds true of graphic audio content; many people share it back and forth and I believe there's a btsync collection roaming the blind community there as well, though that stuff is honestly not too badly priced.Make of all of this speculating what you will, but I seriously don't believe we're all being as honest with ourselves as we otherwise could be. Saying that you'd rather hear Steven Frye than Jim Dale when reading HP is hardly an excuse to obtain it illegally. I still think it's a matter of convenience, self-interest and horrible habitual practice for many people. I won't go out of my way to say that the majority of illegal downloaders are this way, but there are enough to merrit the above questions all the same. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500737/#p500737 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@manamon_player, a link for IBMS eloquence has been put up on the other thread that is allowed and that's great but I've decided to leave.The mods won't change how they are and honestly, they shouldn't. I just don't agree with how this site is run and think people should take responsibility into their own hands.For those wondering, I don't hate the mods at all and now I've thought about it, they're just doing their job, but people can clearly see where I stand now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500738/#p500738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. sad just sad how far this filtering gone brad i wish you a happy live i think the forum really loses something things will not be as they were before URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500736/#p500736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I'm really stuck on this one. ON the one hand it is obvious that, at least here in the US, services like Bard through the national library service exist to provide books free of charge to blind individuals. To my knowledge, such a service does not exist for movies. That in essence means that there are books you can read, some of them best sellers, that are still being bought and sold in book stores around the world, some of them costing just as much as, if not more than a movie. Some of the titles now listed on Bard's website include popular narrations of audio books, such as the Harry Potter series read by Jim Dale. This brings me to my first question.1. Why is it that books, not all of them educational, should be available to blind people free of charge while audio described movies are not?Conversely, it is also obvious that in this day and age, services like Hulu and netflix are becoming more popular than mainstream TV. Youtube isn't too far behind, offering thousands upon thousands of hours of streaming at fairly nice prices. Disney, Amazon and even Apple have launched their own platforms to try and get a piece of the pie. Regardless what you think of which service, the point is that it's easier to stream content now more than ever, which brings me to my next question.2. For those of you who are grabbing this stuff from audiovault or wherever else you manage to obtain it, can you honestly tell me that you would stop if a legal, afordable and accessible service that provided this stuff either through government funding or some other resource, were to exist tomorrow? Can you seriously sit there and tell me you'd up and delete all the content you've acquired just to make it right, or is it a matter of knowing that you can get away with it and that you have for so long?I honestly think I know the answer to that second one, and it ties in a bit to the first one. There is a BTSync folder full of audiobooks that has been passed around like no tomorrow on this site. Once again, to my knowledge, that practice has yet to be frowned down upon here on this site; why I do not know nor do I honestly care. I do, however, find it interesting that even though many of these books are available via different means people are still illegally downloading them rather than going out of their way to obtain a bard account or buying them wherever possible. The same holds true of graphic audio content; many people share it back and forth and I believe there's a btsync collection roaming the blind community there as well, though that stuff is honestly not too badly priced.Make of all of this speculating what you will, but I seriously don't believe we're all being as honest with ourselves as we otherwise could be. Saying that you'd rather hear Steven Fyre than Jim Dale when reading HP is hardly an excuse to obtain it illegally. I still think it's a matter of convenience, self-interest and horrible habitual practice for many people. I won't go out of my way to say that the majority of illegal downloaders are this way, but there are enough to merrit the above questions all the same. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500737/#p500737 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@Xoren, It's a different audiogames.net site now than it was a couple years ago, the rules changed slightly and I could look at them but can't be bothered now.I am leaving as I said so won't need to do that.As for making the mods feel bad, that's not what I want to do. I just believe in a internet where people should be able to download what ever they wish and take responsibilities into their own hands. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500734/#p500734 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. at1one of mod's should answer this removing links etclisten to them, then decide URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500733/#p500733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Brad wrote:I've not really looked at the rules and don't feel like I need to. I used to be able to post about blind mice mart, and now I can't make a simple post about audio vault without the link being taken down.This sounds more like PEBCAK than the moderators. If you're unwilling to be apprised of the rules, then blaming the moderators for intended behaviour as outlined by the rules seems like an attempt to make someone else feel bad for your own failings. If you prefer to address the issue in this way, then I think the best choice is to absolve yourself of a forum wherein you refuse to make yourself aware of and conform to the rules.Kai URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500731/#p500731 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@Ethin, there is a github page for it.I just feel like people should be able to make their own choices as to what they click on, maybe the mods are doing the best they can but personally I don't want to be a part of this way of running things anymore.@simter, wow, so many people care about my posts It's touching, really it is.I'm glad people care but I'm also glad I've made this choice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500730/#p500730 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @17, if there's a git hub page for it then yeah, its free and distribution is fine. Neuonce can't do anything in that case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500723/#p500723 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I think it might be, from what I was able to gather from the Github page. Also, the URL filter wasn't removed, just the filtered words. That was completely ridiculous and I'm glad it's gone. There are literally thousands of ways to say what you mean, which would lead to more and more filters having to be put in place, so I'm extremely glad the mods saw sense on that front. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500722/#p500722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Ethin, I suppose that would depend on the form in which it was being distributed. If we're talking source code, maybe, but as far as I'm aware this is just DLL's and bindings for them which weren't made by IBM anyway. It's still perfectly possible to obtain the viavoice SAPI 4 setup and then use it with NVDA, and since the original viavoice was as I say, freely distributed, there should be no problem with that and nothing nuance can really do about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500718/#p500718 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @14, ah. I don't know then if that would be a grey area or not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500720/#p500720 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @13, uh, that's not what 4 said. Please re-read it. Post 4 said that if your going to bash the mods or a rule, please explain precisely how the rule or the mods have gone too far instead of rehashing things that the mods (as well as users like myself) have told you reasons for already. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500719/#p500719 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @1 that also gets me kind of shocked. Not only because of the things that other people mentioned here, but also due to the fact how long you are already here. Maybe this makes the mods wae up.@4 So when i was wanting to leave the forum now, i wouldn't be allowed to say the reason if it is due to moderation? Hmm, just no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500716/#p500716 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @11, but what was it licensed under? GPL or something else? It ultimately falls down to the license agreement, doesn't it? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500715/#p500715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @9, links being taken down is not about whether they link to viruses or not. At least, that's not the complete reason. The reasons for that are:(1) the link may be a virus and therefore harmful to anyone who acquires it;(2) the link may be explicitly requested to be removed by the author; or(3) the link may be a violation of law.In any of those cases, the mods don't have much choice in the matter but to remove the link. Audiovault is explicitly a massive site full of copyright infringement (irrespective of what the owners say) and therefore its not only illegal to utilize content from it, its also a legal problem if someone on here links to it because it could harm the site as a whole. Before someone raises the idea of DMCA, I'll remind you that the webmasters are ridiculously recalcitrant in their duties towards the site and have shown no interest in managing it. As such, the mods need to take an active stance towards these kinds of things because if they don't, the site could be shut down by governments because the webmasters fail to respond to DMCA notices. Please, understand that and stop complaining. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500712/#p500712 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Ethin, as far as I'm aware IBM TTS was never proprietary there for there should be no problem linking to it. The only miner grey area is the fact that eloquence is technically owned by nuance now, but even then that's a hole different version from a different time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500714/#p500714 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. @9, links being taken down is not about whether they link to viruses or not. At least, that's not the complete reason. The reasons for that are:(1) the link may be a virus and therefore harmful to anyone who acquires it;(2) the link may be explicitly requested to be removed by the author; or(3) the link may be a violation of law.In any of those cases, the mods don't have much choice in the matter but to remove the link. Audiovault is explicitly a massive site full of copyright infringement (irrespective of what the owners say) and therefore its not only illegal to utilize content from it, its also a legal problem if someone on here links to it because it could harm the site as a whole. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500712/#p500712 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. To be fair to the mods and the URL filter, it makes quite a bit of sense if you think about it. Brad linked to the audio vault. He did so knowing full well that linking to that site is illegal, not just under forum rules but under copyright law. As for the copy of IBM TTS, are you absolutely sure that that copy was legal? Is there a license/disclaimer/whatever from the authors that explicitly indicates that distribution of it is legal?The URL filter is not in place to be tyrannical. So if that's the position that the OP is coming from, I'd just like to point out that (1) that position is entirely baseless and nonsensical and (2) its getting *** REALLY *** irritating. The URL filter is there because the mods don't want to have to sit down and audit every single link that will be posted. Yes, intent should be taken into account, but you still need to grant the mods some slack because there are only a few of them. Plus I tought the URL filter was removed? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500704/#p500704 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.@Pool, No problem!I hope you enjoy the fan fics.I'll be fine, don't worry @Dan_Gero, sure. This goes to anyone who wants to contact me, my email is bradleybro...@live.co.uk@JaceK, I will go bashing the mods on my way out as I feel they could do more than partly let a machine deal with what it seams as the write and wrong words.These links aren't bad links and don't lead to viruses.I've not really looked at the rules and don't feel like I need to. I used to be able to post about blind mice mart, and now I can't make a simple post about audio vault without the link being taken down.@Nocturnus, I understand. Usually I'm very layed back about things but just feel like this is going to far and that if I don't make a stand, as small as it may be, no one will.Who knows, my little stand might make bigger ripples.As for posting yeah; it will be sad not to log in and post but honestly I won't miss this forum that much. There's reddit and things like that and if I must post, I can always make a knew account.I hope you've enjoyed my posts @stirlock, see ya have tuns of fun. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500707/#p500707 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. To be fair to the mods and the URL filter, it makes quite a bit of sense if you think about it. Brad linked to the audio vault. He did so knowing full well that linking to that site is illegal, not just under forum rules but under copyright law. As for the copy of IBM TTS, are you absolutely sure that that copy was legal? Is there a license/disclaimer/whatever from the authors that explicitly indicates that distribution of it is legal? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500704/#p500704 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. OK, here’s why it’s going to far. The moderators said that they would take intent into account before removing links to questionable content. In this case, the website linked to had some questionable content, but it was a link to perfectly legal software. Thanks to the word sensor that replaces websites with stars now, intent doesn’t matter anymore because now nobody is allowed to link to the website regardless of what their intent is. I understand why the moderators put it in place; they don’t want people to be able to link to illegal content, and I totally understand that. However, there has to be a better way to go about it, because this clearly doesn’t work. There’s a way to ban people from linking to illegal software without banning a website entirely and limiting peoples access to things.Edit: Stirlock, that was highly unnecessary. Brad is an active contributor to the website, and he’s given us good content over the years of being here. This isn’t just some random kid on the forum saying they’re leaving, this is someone who is highly respected. As such, I think you should show a bit more respect. Like Nocturnus said, this isn’t a post that Brad normally makes. He’s usually pretty laid-back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500696/#p500696 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. OK, here’s why it’s going to far. The moderators said that they would take intent into account before removing links to questionable content. In this case, the website linked to had some questionable content, but it was a link to perfectly legal software. Thanks to the word sensor that replaces websites with stars now, intent doesn’t matter anymore because now nobody is allowed to link to the website regardless of what their intent is. I understand why the moderators put it in place; they don’t want people to be able to link to illegal content, and I totally understand that. However, there has to be a better way to go about it, because this clearly doesn’t work. There’s a way to ban people from linking to illegal software without banning a website entirely and limiting peoples access to things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500696/#p500696 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. lol bye URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500693/#p500693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. I must say that seeing this from you does come as a shock, firstly because you're not the type to just up and say crap like that andstuff. I mean, we've seen topics like this spring up over the years about so and so and such and such leaving... I myself had one and honestly thought it was the end. If not for Jayde I probably wouldn't have come back, but here I am all the same.You don't strike me as the type, unless you really are being serious. Then there's your contributions, your generosity, your laid back way of dealing with things. I may not know you all that well but I have infered a bit from your posts. I guess if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but there it is. It'll be sad to not see you post anymore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500688/#p500688 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Okayhere we goYou don't have to agree with the mod decision, you don't have to agree with rule 3. But it has reasons for being in place. There's ways and means to discuss this, and going after the mods is not it. It's the same old arguments over and over and over again. If you're going to leave. Okay. But don't go out the door bashing the mods or rules on your way out.Insteadexplain /why/ you think the rule is too far, not just be all yeah, rule 3 is too much, kthanxbai and not argue why URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500687/#p500687 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hey man, it's sad to see you go. You've contributed a lot during your time here. Maybe we can still keep in touch on email or Twitter or something if you're cool with that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500686/#p500686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. hey, thank you for the harry potter fan fiction. I hope you'll be fine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500684/#p500684 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days.
I'm leaving the audiogames.net comunity in 5 or so days. Hi.This will be my last thread on here.As much as i've liked posting on audiogames.net over the years, I feel the modiration is going way to far with it's deleting links thing.I put up a link to a website that, while it may not have legal content all the way through it, had a legal version of IBMS tts for eloquence, perhaps I should have posted the link straight to the page but I doubt that would have made a difference.Also when I posted about audio vault, that link was taken down.I'll say it again, you're taking this remove everything idea way to far.If anyone wants the link for IBMS eliquence, pm me or send me an email.I'll check every day for 5 days but after that, i'm gone.I can't delete my account, something I think is silly but no one will change that now, but I can scramble my password.For those that want my posts for some reason, I won't take them down and I hope you get something out of them.I will reply to this thread and the be careful about NVDA one but that will be it.I hope those of you that stay have fun, I really do, but I feel this is going to far and that I can no longer be a part of it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500681/#p500681 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
